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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would love to have one. Having to sbr it with the atf and the ammo cost make it really not worth it imo. Paying more than 5.56 prices for a smaller round makes no sense. Also lol 50 round mag.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      5.7 is cheaper than 5.56 and is continuing to drop.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >5.7 more expensive than 5.56
      Your assumptions are out of date

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        5.7 is currently going for $0.80 to $1.00 per round.
        5.56 is currently going for < $0.50 per round.
        What assumption are you talking about?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          AAC and Fiocchi come out in batches that have regularly been selling for ~48cpr. Don't get thrown off by scalper prices for FN in between times.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Having recently bought a 5.7, I've surveyed almost a dozen local stores spread across multiple cities, townes and jurisdictions. I was trying to find a certain variety.
            Anyway, 5.7 is going for $35 to $40 for 50 rounds.
            Fancy 5.7 like gold dot or the 198 aluminum I couldn't find locally are all $1 a round or more.

            Even if we call it $0.70 / round on the 5.7, that's still significantly more m855.
            Nb4 you post some online deal from Joe Bob's slow shipping identity stealing website.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes it's fun as frick and cool as frick, especially if you can get the ring sight optic for it.

      the cheapest 5.56 is 55cpr
      the cheapest 5.7 is 48cpr
      stop comparing bargain bin palmetto State AAC brand 5.56 prices to FN brand high velocity performance 5.7 prices, youre being incredibly disingenuous.
      plus if you have a 556 suppressor it works on it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I posted

        Having recently bought a 5.7, I've surveyed almost a dozen local stores spread across multiple cities, townes and jurisdictions. I was trying to find a certain variety.
        Anyway, 5.7 is going for $35 to $40 for 50 rounds.
        Fancy 5.7 like gold dot or the 198 aluminum I couldn't find locally are all $1 a round or more.

        Even if we call it $0.70 / round on the 5.7, that's still significantly more m855.
        Nb4 you post some online deal from Joe Bob's slow shipping identity stealing website.

        and FYI there's tons of 5.56 locally at $9.95 for 20 rounds or less than 50cpr.
        You're just lying or at the least cherry picking to prove your point.
        Regardless, the whole argument is irrelevant because the round that is more appropriately compared to 5.7 is 9mm around to 1/3rd the cost for range ammo.

        If you want to compare some deal you found online at 48cpr for 5.7, then you need to compare the equally good deals on 9mm which is drastically cheaper than 5.7 or if you must 5.56 which is still going to be cheaper than 5.7. 5.7 is very expensive for what it is. That doesn't mean I hate 5.7. I just bought one but you're spouting bullshit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >5.7 is more appropriately compared to 9mm
          lmao what?? how did you even come to that conclusion? is it just because they're both "handgun ammo"? despite the 5.7 being designed from the ground up to be used specifically with a PDW and is just usable in a handgun as a bonus?
          it has more velocity, power, penetration, etc than regular 9mm, 5.56 is genuinely a better comparison to 5.7 than 9mm. you're comparing apples to oranges.
          should people start comparing .308 prices to 5.56 prices because "they're both rifle calibers" now? or comparing slug prices to birdshot because "they're both used in shotguns"?
          stop being so disingenuous dude.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            5.7 was designed specifically to replace 9mm among NATO forces you twit and yes, it's handgun/pdw ammo.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Just reporting the prices I've paid buying small bulks of 5.7 online at PSA within the last 6 months. I've never seen good 5.7 prices on the shelf. It seems LGS are invested in the high priced 5.7 meme and know whut they got sonny. That shit needs to end and I'm trying to get the word out that just because some places charge 80 cpr or higher for 5.7 doesn't mean you have to pay that for it. Just keep an eye out for FMJ AAC and Fiocchi production drops.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the cheapest 5.56 is 55cpr
        I really hope this is cherrypicked bullshit, but I haven't bought 5.56 in so long I'm not up to speed

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shit level 5.56 bottoms out at around 42¢, decent amount hovers around 50¢.
          Fiocchi current makes the best range 5.7 and you can get it frequently 39¢/round. Locally I've seen it for as low as 35¢/round.
          Local prices may vary.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shit level 5.56 bottoms out at around 42¢, decent amount hovers around 50¢.
          Fiocchi current makes the best range 5.7 and you can get it frequently 39¢/round. Locally I've seen it for as low as 35¢/round.
          Local prices may vary.

          5.7 is typically sold in 50 round boxes.
          Target ammo is $35 a box.
          FN Blue tip is $40 a box.
          FN Green tip is $50 a box.
          Speer Gold dot is like $60 a box.

          Many common 5.7 varieties, such as Federal red box, FN target and others are $35/50 = 70cpr. This is as per most retailers locally and the major online stores such as midwayusa with some small variation in pricing. Deals can always be found if you're hunting them and willing to wait on shipping. As per Fiocchi, midwayusa has the bulk 150 round value packs at 60cpr with prices going up from there. Midwayusa tends to stay pretty in line with what you'll find in local shops.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you're a moron
            >lol
            >lmao even

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I enjoy slow shipping and identity theft
              Okay, good for you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >His local prices arnt this good.
                Shame, really. I just walk down to my local Ace Hardware and fill up on all the 5.7 and 7.5 swiss I want.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on how cool you think it looks

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just find an AR Five Seven upper to buy at a fraction of the price of a PS90. Only paid about $700 for mine. Picrel.

    Or pick up. A stripped Effen 90 receiver, build it out, with a short barrel. Find a custom butt plate that has an AR buffer extention stub, and slap a brace on it. May cost a hair more than a PS90, but no stamp required.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Coolest thing about that is being able to use a magazine as a shell catcher.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you got rid of the cool part of a P90 and kept the expensive part

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      out of battery detonation issues, avoid

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bragging about buying a bullshit version of something they actually wanted because it was cheaper
      poors amirite lmao

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >May cost a hair more than a PS90,
      Apparently you've not actually looked at this before.
      You still need to buy a ps90, because there is no place that you can get the individual component parts cheaper to put into the effen90 receiver.
      Also you lose the rail, which personally I find criminal.
      The aesthetics are ruined without the rail, which realistically is one of the main reasons you buy a ps90 instead of something else cheaper.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Find a custom butt plate that has an AR buffer extention stub, and slap a brace on it.
      what the frick is wrong with you?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >size and weight of an AR
    >worthless subsonics
    >muzzle energy of a handgun
    >price of a Benelli M4 or really pretty nice AR
    it doesn't do anything for me, but if that's what you like, sure.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fire rate is off the hook homie + downward ejection and 50 round mags are all 2cool4u

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ps90
        >fire rate
        Uhhhhhhhhh

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Fire rate
        The absolute state of nu-/k/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot the most important point of all
      >direct blowback

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, which is fricking nuts for a nearly $2k gun. hope you got a good reloading press.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Tards you like say this like it means something but the fact is the 5.7 is low recoil as frick regardless. Now you can bring that shit up about something like an Uzi and be right as rain but you gotta know when its actually advantageous to bring it up and not look like a poorgay.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Tards you like say this like it means something
          It fricking does, especially when the gun is ~$1800 you dolt. The DBX57 is cheaper while having a more advanced gas system.
          >but the fact is the 5.7 is low recoil as frick regardless
          So what? If I'm paying $1800, which is more than a MP5 mind you, then I want it to be soft shooting.
          >Poorgay
          Cope, your P90 is a fricking garbage gun.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you dolt
            lol who the frick speaks like this? Anyways, you ain't paying less then $1800 for an HK MP5 so that point is moot. FN charging what they charge is on them, not the gun. And did you even watch the end of that shittastic video where they fired it? Barely any muzzle rise and the brown bois are crying about harsh recoil. Straight up hilarious.

            Your anti-PS90 sentiments are amusing but oozes of poorgay cope.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I'm impressed that the PS90 at over six pounds can absorb the titanic momentum of a 40 grain bullet at 2200fps. how do they do it? is it the blow molded clamshell, or the unfinished castings?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you were the first person that mentioned recoil. if you need extra recoil help with 5.7, maybe BB guns would be more your speed. the reality is that direct blowback is bad for 5.7 because of how much case stretch it induces. this makes reloading it dogshit and forces the cases to have their lubrication (so the case doesn't separate), like it's an early 1900's machinegun. they did it because it's cheap, just like the unfinished casting, just like the clamshell ABS moldings.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If I'm paying $1800
            They're $1500 new these days.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              People are paying $1500 for this shit? Fricking lol

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Where?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1039125288
                inb4 >no not like that!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

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                More like $1300
                https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/845737002589?suggestion-term=Ps90

                5.7 is still hella expensive compared to 9mm might as well spend a little more for an AP5 and save overall with ammo prices.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >might as well spend a little more for an AP5
                AP5s are cheaper (~$1100), are you guys just being obtuse about new production gun prices on purpose?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's sold you homie b***h.
                Also I obviously meant brand new, not used you dumb gorilla homosexual.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/g5CiS6Y.png

              People are paying $1500 for this shit? Fricking lol

              Where?

              https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1039125288
              inb4 >no not like that!

              More like $1300
              https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/845737002589?suggestion-term=Ps90

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >worthless subsonics
      So are 5.56 subs to be fair.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sure, but your AR could be in any of a dozen calibers that have useful subs.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it was used in stargate and looks cool
      your points are thus irrelevant

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm an engineering moron (mom dropped me on my head as kid) and I can kind of understand how the process works to make the AR fun. But how hard would the same process be for a PS90?
    >t. obviously asking for a scientific paper to be published in Anno 1800

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Process meaning making it select fire.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Process meaning making it select fire.

      It has a fire control group very similar to the AUG.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're awesome but if you don't wanna sbr it then just get a fake suppressor and bam automatically fixes the aesthetic issue of these things.

    Faux ones don't do shit so no one cares but our eyeballs

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Worth it as a srs bsns rifle? No.
    Worth it for funsies? Absolutely.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are you gay?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As a practical weapon? No, not worth it. You'd be better served with a short barrel suppressed .300blk or a 9mm PCC/PDW depending on your use.

    Is it worth it for the coolness factor? Yes, if the cost isn't a pain point and you have the budget then hell yeah, they're neat. If you're having to sweat the cost and really ponder the financial decision though... eh I would skip. Not worth it to you.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    + looks cool
    - straight blowback
    I'll call it a wash.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nah 5.7 and the p90 are memes, aug is only proven and cost worthy bullpup

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >aug
      >stock crACKs

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        bad mold from 2021, get new material, augs in service since the 70's are still going with no cracks

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do you have a reputable source for that information?

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I own one, love it. The price of ammo is definitely a turn off, and of course the classic bullpup problem of a shitty trigger but its not too bad. It's my bedside gun and my favorite range toy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Get the k&m trigger spring and promoted pawn creep killer. It really made a difference in the trigger for mine. It's still no match trigger but much better than stock.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what's that thing bolted on the front finger stop of that front grip

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's a modbutton lite in a 3d printed holder. Look up "PS90 Modbutton + Modlite adapter" on thingiverse for the files. I'd recommend something a bit more impact resistant than PLA. This one is printed in CF nylon

          Are those red dots even available?
          Are they any good?

          You can still order the ring sight from KingsviewOptical. It's got a small window but it works fine, is a lit prism sight, and keeps the lines smooth and your cheek on the stock.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well, that optic would 100% be the one I'd want but I'm not trying to order a red dot from across the ocean. Looks expensive too.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah if you're wanting max performance it's a little dated. It's an etched prism though so batteries are optional and it's got a built in mount so it's not terrible price wise. I think it was about $500 shipped to the US. Get a 509t or EPS low profile mount from titan tactical designs and you're most of the way there aesthetically but with a much more modern optic while still being low profile.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well shit, that's awesome. It just leaves needing to register it as an SBR in order to avoid the 16" barrel and then I would be totally out of excuses.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nta but I don't there anything quite like the original ring-sight, that funny box is aesthetic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are those red dots even available?
        Are they any good?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Get the k&m trigger spring
        Bad idea

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        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Make sure to let Shrek know not to drag his modified PS90 across the bottom of a swamp or he might have to rinse it out.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Buy a 10/22 and a High Tower Armory P90 stock, same experience.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do gays, furries and trannies love getting PS90's? I don't get it.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Frog balls?

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the p90 is objectively a good good, with a good design, and a good idea, completely hamstrung by european politics and fabrique nationale attempting to squeeze every last drop of money out of their design

    the gun is a two piece fiber reinforced plastic shell with a straight blowback bolt locked in by two large springs. it's functionally a ruger 10-22 magnum upside down with a cool magazine. it's, in my opinion, one of the greatest pieces of engineering of the 20th century and sets the standard for what a $500 firearm could be in the 21st century. It's a perfect example of how you make a gun as cheap, simple, and functional as possible

    except it's not $500, somehow, even though kel tec sells much more complex guns with much more complex machining and engineering considerations for that much money. it's $1500. Which just makes all of the problems with the ammo even worse, because fabrique nationale literally min/maxed the bullet velocity so hard that you lose velocity and energy out of the 16 inch barrel with their bullets. so basically it would be a good gun if fabrique nationale didn't purposefully try and make the gun as shitty as possible for the general public by making it overpriced

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on what you're using it for. Plinking targets? Sure. home defense? Maybe. Hunting? No.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >gay larp gun overpriced for losers who want to pretend they're in Call of Doodie
    No. If you can't afford a real machine gun or a real submachine gun, don't buy some ball-clipped compensator. You'll be left with buyer's remorse and disappointment.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have one, its alot of fun and feels very handy, almost M1 Carbine levels.
    Is it practical? Given the price tag and anemic commercially available ammo loadings, probably not, but I enjoy it. Having a ton of nostalgia for SG-1 doesn't hurt either.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > ps90
    way more fun than an mp5, way smaller than a ar15.
    every noob I hand it to freaking loves it. my daughters ask about it every time we go shooting. it certainly has its uses.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    P90 = cool
    OP = gay

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone actually make 5.7 good enough to squeeze meaningful performance out of the oversized PS90 barrel?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, because the blowback system was built around the P90 barrel length. Introducing hotter ammo in the 16" (more like 14" real barrel length with a long flash hider attached) leads to failures to feed and popping out magazines due to the back pressure. Its why its not recommended to use small diameter suppressors like a typical .22lr can because it also induces too much backpressure.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Forgot to add that you can buy heavier springs for the bolt and magazine catch plus a heavier recoil reducer if you want to run bubba's pissing hot loads but you wont find any commercial ammo hotter than what FN makes for LE/.gov

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Personally , I just want the aluminum ammo but no go anywhere locally and I'm not ordering green tip 5.7 from strange websites

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The real barrel is 16 + pinned shroud/flash hider to get it over federal OAL requirements.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wrong. Rifled length of a PS90 barrel is 14.8" and the pinned barrel extension is what brings it over 16" and the SBR OAL requirements. Please educate yourself before posting FUD.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong, the flash hider is integral. Nothing is pinned and the barrel is 16".

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you both are pedantic c**ts.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wrong yet again. Not sure why you seem so keen on spreading disinformation (moron or troll, pick one) but the barrel extension is blind pinned to the 14" barrel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong more so than before. This taken directly off their website.
                https://fnamerica.com/products/rifles/fn-ps90-standard/?utm_source=meganav_by-series

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ....its fricking legalese terminology. I suggest you watch a youtube video on how to remove a stock PS90 barrel and then promptly seppuku yourself and rid us of your stupidity.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh your a troll and a nogunz. Sad. :^)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong
                You wish
                Kid
                Just get an aftermarket barrel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "integrated" does not equal "integral"

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I went to dig around in my stuff and came back to more insufferable homosexuals.
            But here's is a photo example for you because I threw away my old shroud at some point. Overall length per the website is 26.2in. if you measured tip to where the breech face is it's 19in. No one has ever said the p90 has a 19in barrel. It's a lot easier to display on a cucked fun because the pin is basically at the end of the 16 in barrels portion.
            You have never even seen a ps90 in real life let alone held one.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Hounded a friend for a photo so that people who can't conjure the apple can see. The barrel proper is 16 inches then the flash hider extends past it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      From what I've seen velocity jumps drastically from a 5" to a 10" barrel but sees little difference going from10" to a 16". This makes sense seeing as it was designed along with the 10"ish inch p90.
      A 16" barrel will still have better velocity than a pistol though, just saying 10" barrels seem to be where it's at for the round.
      Terminal ballistics are okay for a handgun caliber if a little weak. The strengths of the round are very low recoil and a long flat trajectory. I believe you are supposed to able to hold flat out to like 160 yards where 9mm is already starting to dive into the dirt.

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