They legally took it, and now Wagner has kindly given two weeks notice on quitting. Ukrainians better honor that legal status.
> two weeks notice
5th to 10th isn't two weeks.
two weeks is an nonspecific measurement of time, anon
since the wagner group are mercenaries, could the Ukrainians hire them as a quick means of reclaiming all the land they've taken thus far?
it'd be hilarious to see my tax dollars go to the biggest military led land purchase I've ever heard of.
Wagner aren't real mercs. They fill the same role as the SA or SS did in Nazi Germany. SA was a mob of thugs loyal to the party, SS was a mob of thugs loyal to Hitler alone. It would be more accurate to call Wagner Putin's personal paramilitary force because they are loyal to him and his inner circle. And like the SA, they are now being sacrificed because they have outlived their utility.
Theoretically yes, reality, no. They are mercenaries to get around Russian laws and to allow Russia to get involved in places without doing it overtly and directly. But since they are essentially a private army of Putin, they wouldn't do so anyway. Plus Priggy is a wanted man iirc.
They're not a real freelance PMC, they're just a wing of the Russian military with enough plausible deniability. They can recruit anyone who flunks out or kicked out of the Russian military, foreign rapists and psychos. They can carry out vicious attacks to protect Russian interests in Africa and elsehwere, and you can say "what? That's not Russian forces. :)".
They larped as hard-core badasses. It was really funny to see the bodies of guys with patches like "I don't believe in anything. I'm just here for the violence". They thought they'd be the ones dishing it out, not receiving it.
They apparently got it but probably couldn't use it well. I guess you could supply the Russian army or wagner but not both because of how fucked up russian logistics is
To be fair, ti did sound like they were getting more ammo when that innsmouth looking guy was in charge of logistics but he got fired so things must have got real bad.
>which is insane
Did you sleep through WW1 week in history class? At the battle of Verdun the Germans fired over a million shells in the first 10 hours, they fired 2m shells in total the first day, then another 2m shells over the remainder of the week, over a 30km front, roughly the same length as the Bakhmut front (Soledar-Bakhmut-Chasiv Yar)
Using WWI as benchmark makes you look like a retard, buddy.
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Not him, you are correct that comparing a conventional war fought between the first rate militaries of the period to a war between a two 2nd rate militaries, one being smaller than the size of Texas is indeed retarted.
But, on the opposite end, it is quite disturbing how after all the advance in warfare since 1916, we are still seeing the same doctrines and strategies employed in the same manner as back then. Even the Ukrainian climate is similar to Eastern France. Even technology first are happening like the first case of drone on drone "Dogfighting" which is a callback to the first airplanes being used as bomber by tossing grenades from them into trenches (like the drones are currently doing) to being used a platform to destroy other airplanes.
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You have to keep in mind the size disparity between forces that is also playing a role.
Yeah and then a hundred years of technological progress and advances in warfare happened, or did you miss how WWII wasn't just WWI all over again? And how we have things like GPS and missiles and satellites and...fuckin' antibiotics?
And what size were those shells? You need more context than just '1 million shells'.
I believe that the most common artillery piece for the german at that was like 77mm?
In addition to that, rocket artillery wasn't developed(or missiles), which greatly reduces the usage of conventional shells.
You should also consider other factors like the explosive fillings. Using a better but more expensive explosive could easily be the reason of the reduction.
In addition to all of that, Bakhmut just isn't as of a battle as Verdun in the end of the day. And 300000 shells per month is a pretty insane number for modern warfare for that small area.
To be fair, ti did sound like they were getting more ammo when that innsmouth looking guy was in charge of logistics but he got fired so things must have got real bad.
You dumbasses, Wagner didn't just have artillery support from their own units. They had artillery support of every available Russian and separatist unit plus some limited Russian air power and Wagner's own jets and helicopters. They never depended on just their own artillery for the battle.
Yeah, general Deep One was apparently very close to Wagner all the time, made even more evident by the fact that he actually joined Wagner when he got the boot. It also seems that Prigozhin’s latest meltdown coincides pretty closely with the booting incident.
Imagine believing this story about muh shells. The most retarded Force Russia had spent 20k dead and close to 100k injured to not capture a single town.
Wagner didn't do shit. Almost every big success Russia had in Bakhmut and Soledar was because of the Russian Army. Wagner was just used as canon fodder so that Ukraine was always under attack and never had time to properly prepare or counterattack. Back when it was only Wagner in Bakhmut, during July-November 2022, they accomplished jack shit.
It's like StarCraft. They're idling all around the map once the player qqs and can be killed to up you k:d ratio since they're hostile but won't fight back.
>ywn rain down cracklin breaded deepfried ancho wasabi 155mm HE shells topped with cherry smoked bacon bits and drizzled with Guy's own chili infused ginger aioli nacho cheese sauce
>when the MRE is hittin' you just right with a medium rare bone-in ribeye triple butter basted and massaged with a seven pepper steak rub before drowning in sizzlin' sriracha Carolina BBQ sauce on a bed of cheese stuffed, garlic fried tater tots dusted with finely ground jalapeno pork rinds MONEY!-sized with a blue razz mescal chelatarita and Guy's own quad-choc atomic fudge bomb brownie
Must be so fun being Ukrainian-Russian operator. You speak Russian fluently, you know culture inside and out. You fit because you are one of them.
Then you have suppressed AKSU and can just merc the guards and set up bombs in all the warehouses at your leisure. And every police is corrupt af so you just need to bring $3000 in cash for any traffic stop.
>guards >getting merced >implying he doesnt just climb over a chain link fence at night, open the unlocked door, wad up a bunch of newspapers next to an accelerant, and walk away
If Russia, like every other country in human history, sends useful people to the front lines and leaves guarding ammo to mouthbreathers, and from what we have seen from the war, how effective do you think these guards are? Do you anticipate a Solid Snake/Sam Fisher being required, or anyone (literally anyone) who can speak Russian withour an accent, start a fire and stay sober until he’s one oblast away?
Which do (You) think it is?
It's kind of amazing just how absurd it is. If you'd ask anyone 5 years ago what a full invasion by Russia would look like they'd probably say it'd be some scary shit but what we got instead was a circus.
Imagine if they'd actually invaded Poland or some other Article 5 shit? Like a month later NATO troops would be wandering the remains of Moscow like "well...now what?"
To be fair it'd be more than a month. I suspect if Article 5 happened (remember, Article 5 doesn't mean 'you immediately send your entire force to attack the aggressor') to a degree that what I just said applied, they'd probably spend at least six months hitting shit with missiles before ever sending ground troops in. This is of course assuming no nukes fly.
>Imagine if they'd actually invaded Poland or some other Article 5 shit? Like a month later NATO troops would be wandering the remains of Moscow like "well...now what?"
I've been thinking about the minimum amount of NATO countries that could take Russia.
Poland + Germany would likely be enough.
Though keeping Russia is another thing. If they got actually invaded Russians would start to actually defend themselves so you'd have endless counter insurgency.
Why does everyone say Russians would form an endless counter insurgency? Their national MO is to roll over and take it from whomever is in charge at the moment. The sheer wealth disparity means that we could simply walk in, take over pension payments, give everyone more money, and immediately have a third of their population knowing they're better off with NATO running things.
If a foreign power ever promised every Russian a new washing machine they could buy out the country.
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>he stole a washing machine
Ok I’m convinced Russia isn’t a country, it’s a huge comedy sketch gone wrong
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To be Russian is a diagnosis not a nationality.
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>it’s a huge comedy sketch gone wrong
Ukraine picked the right man for the job.
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whats with these fuckers and washing machines?
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Its hard to understand for us 1st worlders that have never washed all our clothes by hand.
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When you are used to scrubbing clothes on a washboard a washing machine is star trek level technology.
>he stole a washing machine
Ok I’m convinced Russia isn’t a country, it’s a huge comedy sketch gone wrong
To be Russian is a diagnosis not a nationality.
For me its the childishly disproportionate arrogance >Beginning of invasion: Now you will pay Holhols! Three days tops! You will see who is boss when the gloves come off >Later: We cannot expect a quick victory after all this is the next strongest military in the world after our own
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The production of "White goods" like washing machines was a problem for the Soviet Union. The USSR's economy was not very good. It was inefficient, it was corrupt, it was not adaptable, etc. That said, it still should have been able to clothe, feed, house people, and give them appliances.
The USSR decided that they needed an army to confront NATO so, post Khrushchev especially, they built a massive military. As set out above, they were poorer than NATO, had less people, were more corrupt, etc. and so on. The only way to keep on par with NATO was to spend an obscene part of their economy on the military to keep pace. Most good estimates place it around 20% of GDP, which means you have to cut elsewhere. White goods, since they used many of the same inputs as military products (factories, steel, small motors, etc..) were cut. Most estimates had the USSR at 1/8th America's per capita production of things like radios, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, sewing machines, televisions, and so forth. Because the goods were so rare, they were expensive in the USSR and hard to get.
A Washing Machine isn't a huge investment, but even today isn't cheap. The equivalent for Putin's time in 1983 likely could have been 5-6 months of deposable earnings. This problem has continued today. Russians are still poor and they suffer a backlog of missing goods. Only 45% of Russians own a car 1/2 the US rate. Things are better since 1991, but they're still a ways behind. That is why a disposable item like a washing machine is likely still seen as something worth stealing by Vodka morons.
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Where'd you get this info? Not that I'm doubting you, that's just pretty interesting and I might wanna check out the book or whatever that you got it from
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Which part? Russian military spending in the 1960's-1980's? Durable goods production rates? Most of my knowledge comes from books like "The Rise and Fall of the Soviet Union", "The Struggle to Save the Soviet Economy" and "A Failed Empire: The Soviet Union in the Cold War from Stalin to Gorbachev " plus a whole shit ton of papers I've read online. There is no lack of books on the subject.
To me, the economic/historical books for the cold war era are much less interesting than some of the pre-war (198-1941) stuff, on things like scientific socialism, the use of western technology and experts in building the Soviet economy, and Lenin's NEP
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I don't think it's fair to look at car ownership alone, Europe as a whole has fewer cars on average then USA,
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Quick bit of math shows that we could literally give everyone in Crimea a brand new Maytag washer/dryer as a bribe to fuck off for only $2.5 billion dollars.
In Finland, we always had our own doomsayers saying how it would be impossible to defend the country, with all critical infrastructure blown apart in hours, pilots getting assassinated at the start of the war, etc. dreary shit. I personally always considered that overly pessimistic, but now that we saw the clownfest that was the first weeks of the war, those predictions seem utterly, absurdly comical.
Never forget that this was their attitude. That they all knew what they were doing, and supported it wholeheartedly. The guilt is collective and total, shared from top to bottom. Don't believe one word of their "I didn't know, they lied to us, I was too scared to speak out, we were victims too" bullshit. Nothing less than a full state apology, a renunciation of the vile poison of ruscism, and reparations in full is acceptable for atonement.
The Germans literally created the word Genocide and used it for the first time in history to eradicate an entire people. Russia hasn't done even a tenth of that. Don't compare.
>The Germans literally created the word Genocide and used it for the first time in history to eradicate an entire people. Russia hasn't done even a tenth of that. Don't compare.
Lmao
Russia genocided its way into the Pacific Ocean long before the term was coined. One of the first well-documented genocides in history was actually committed by Russia - the Circassian genocide.
>Russia genocided its way into the Pacific Ocean long before the term was coined. One of the first well-documented genocides in history was actually committed by Russia - the Circassian genocide.
They literally committed genocide on (modern) American soil too. Ever read Island of the Blue Dolphins?
>In 1814, the Russian–American Company brig Il’mena brought a party of Aleuts and Russian fur traders from Russian Alaska to San Nicolas island in search of sea otter and seal. They killed many of the Nicoleño men and raped many of the women leaving the population decimated.[2] By the 1830s only around twenty remained; some sources put the number at seven, six women and an old man named Black Hawk. Black Hawk suffered a head injury during the massacre. Hearing of this, the Santa Barbara Mission on the mainland sponsored a rescue mission, and in late 1835 Captain Charles Hubbard sailed out to the Channel Islands aboard the schooner Peor es Nada. Most of the tribe boarded the ship, but one, the woman later known as Juana Maria, did not arrive before a storm rose and the ship had to return to port. Hubbard was unable to return for Juana Maria at the time as he had received orders to take a shipment of lumber to Monterey, California, and before he could return to Santa Barbara the Peor es Nada hit a heavy board in the mouth of the San Francisco Bay and sank. A lack of other available ships is usually cited as preventing further rescue attempts.
San Nicolas Island isn't some faraway land, it's part of Ventura County, California. If you go surfing off the coast of Santa Barbara, you're literally less than sixty miles from a Russian war crimes site.
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Wait holy shit I knew island of the blue dolphins happened near where I grew up but russians were involved???
>Raphael Lemkin (who coined the term "genocide" and was an initiator of the Genocide Convention), has called the Holodomor a genocide and the intentional result of Stalinist policies.
>Germans literally created the word Genocide
no, it was invented by Europeans to describe the actions of the Ottomans towards the Armenians for propaganda purposes.
The fact the Soviets got to say ANYTHING at Nuremberg blows my fucking mind. Why, you ask? I dunno, maybe because the Russian Chief Prosecutor at Nuremberg was running a fucking concentration camp IN THE RUINS of Sachsenhausen.
To be quite frank Russia was a backwater that Uncle Sam felt sorry for because the USA has never liked it when white(-ish) people fight each other. So we bailed out the Soviets with Lend Lease and then gave them a seat at the Big Boy table as a sort of participation trophy for sacrificing so many of their people to stop the square heads, only for them to then promptly about face and engage in half a century of dick ass back-stabbery.
Now that history is repeating itself in the opposite direction one would hope that maybe they might see the error of their ways and realize that Uncle Sam was largely responsible for them not being a German satellite state and give us some credit where credit is due.
For real Russia. We have tried over and over to be your friend (under no less than 4 different presidents) but you keep acting like an asshole. Maybe after getting bopped in the nose this time you will finally cut it out.
It's not been 9 months. That's just wikipedia being their typical idiots. It's been 11, possibly 12 months it started in June last year, possibly late May.
>Says only 10% of required rounds provided to Wagner as of May 1 (down from 30% as of 2023), leading to unsustainable losses. Says remaining troops will be parked for recovery and retraining at bases in Russia "until danger to Russia is gone"
ITS FUCKING OVER
Because he's a dumb Russian and when he put the gun in his mouth, he didn't account for the angle, thus missed blowing apart his cerebellum. (Located at the rear base of your skull right behind where your spinal cord connects to your brain). The controls all complex movement in the body, a perfect shot there would also sever the spinal cord, thus no extra body movement past muscle relaxation.
He probably blew out the the top of his skull, which is still a killshot, but the brain can still fire off last second synapses and send death spasms through the body.
In his defense, he took a direct hit from a grenade and his legs are shredded five seconds ago; nobody is making precise angular calculations in that state.
>Spanish Civil War and Sino-Japanese War were preludes (depending on where you consider the start of the Second World War) to WW2 >War in Ukraine and War in Sudan are the preludes to Third World War between USA (and I assume a few allies) and China
not really, china would be the main opposition in a world war and they're reluctant to send any of their systems. a few turkish drones and some world war era tanks alongside cold war era nato equipment and modern squad weapons is what it is
Well yeah we are ensuring they are locked out so they get no real world combat experiance or tactical refinements.
Honestly its pretty great.
The US however is enjoying the stress testing while preventing the chinese from doing the same.
>NATO: are we so advanced that our 30yo systems can clap the cheeks of the supposed 2nd superpower of the world? >Ukraine: can we turn the contents of a hobby shop and a crate of grenades into manmade horrors beyond (Russian) comprehension? >Russia: can 30k churkas, mobiks, and prisoners assault a fortified position across a minefield pre-sighted for artillery armed with Brezhnev-era surplus?
Not quite the same.
Why is this suprising patiots were literally built spefically to shoot down ballistic missiles going reentry/hypersonic speeds.
Its like being shocked when a ATGM pops a tank.
>Wagner is just in super-denial
The thing is they're fucking Nazis, so fuckups have to be because they're being backstabbed. That's how their brain works.
You know, I always wondered how the fuck they were lasting for so long. Even ignoring ukrainian propaganda wagner was losing +100 a day during the worst weeks of the battle
I repeat, 100 fucking souls a day just gone. Every day
Thats worse than fucking vietnam. No PCM can survive that even with penal batallions.
Hell, im pretty sure most modern armies would be fucked with so many casualties
Wonder what's gonna happen to the penal battalions, will they rebel before making it back to Russia? Afterall all of the fresh ones will not have enough time in the campaign to be eligible for release and I doubt anyone would want to go back to prison a failure to just be raped by a churka and shames by relatives
No the cope has already begun that fagner was a irregular light infantry force that was never meant to win but grind them down for political reasons, or to get em all killed so they dont have to pay more wages and the Russian state gets more wins. But to all the 4chantards coping this the past few months and undoubtedly the rest of the year, these mercs are fighting age Russian citizens, they are not sending poor mercs from another cunt to die horrible deaths, they're sending their own men.
Kind of like you (I assume) get up every day and go to work. It's like saying "why do garbage men pick up disgusting bags of trash and throw it in a truck?".
Imagine Germans watching garden gnomes being herded into gas chambers and then denying that they ever knew about the holocaust. Or Russians seeing their neighbors taken to the gulags. Or Chinese watching their neighbors be denounced. Or Turks and Armenians or Americans and Indians/blacks. Same thing. It’s easier to say “din no nuffin.”
I went there and it's the same people who post on PrepHole. Same filenames, so talking points. They're literally defending Russia being multi-ethnic by going >Well they stay in their own places!
LOL.
>guy posts the VDV video of all the black guys who are being added to it >t-t-they're just training as representatives... >they're in the fucking uniform
[...] >guy posts the VDV video of all the black guys who are being added to it >t-t-they're just training as representatives... >they're in the fucking uniform
Remember when the Japanese navy and army were fucking each other over during ww2 for political reasons, effectively tripling their war effort?
You'd think people would learn, interservice rivalry is okay when it's just banter, but fucking over any participating unit or force is fucking over every single person involved on your side.
Story old as time. These are now law based systems, for force based systems. The dictator/king/emperor keeps the sub-armies quarreling with each other so they can't team up and take the bigwig down. It's by design. It means they're incredibly inefficient and terrible at what they do.
Story old as time. These are now law based systems, for force based systems. The dictator/king/emperor keeps the sub-armies quarreling with each other so they can't team up and take the bigwig down. It's by design. It means they're incredibly inefficient and terrible at what they do.
Turns out the real strength of Democracy/Republics is as simple as the armed forces not constantly fucking each other over to impress the Fearless Leader. Might be weak vs psyops but hopefully they will fix that in future versions now that we've seen what happens when we lower our guard against foreign intelligence agencies.
no joke, this war has made me appreciate more the strength of the democratic system, despite its flaws, like damn, i would hate being dragged into a conflict like the one in Ukraine just because monkey want banan
Indeed. Imagine if supreme leader Biden/Trump got on TV and announced conscription to fight a war against Canada and sent people over there with no training armed with crusty ass guns, and on top of that every branch of the military plus Black Water (or whatever the fuck they call themselves now) were constantly undermining each other. Meanwhile all the major news networks keep telling you that everything is going smoothly despite the three day special military operation in Canada taking over a year. Being unable to buy anything at home because the China controlled world economy has sanctioned you and supplied the Canadians with top of the line equipment and drones that kill your countrymen without them hardly ever being aware of it. Then to top it all off the Canadians are not only killing disproprtionate amounts of your guys but now they might even push you out of their country and take back the other land you stole from them. And you have sacrificed your young men for nothing but an impending civil war and decades of further economic decline and being a pariah state on par with Iran or North Korea.
I mean holy fuck. It's so bad that the Russians at this point are weaponizing second hand embarrassment.
>It's so bad that the Russians at this point are weaponizing second hand embarrassment.
All part of the 5d chess of Putin. Convince western pig dogs that Russia Stronk, and then demonstrate overwhelmingly that Russia weak to the point that western useful idiots commit mass suicide out of shame for ever having a positive opinion of Russia.
it used to happen a lot more when standing armies were less popular. the french navy ignored battle plans to go fight closer to their colonial interests during the revolutionary war, lincoln's generals famously could've done more than they did. it's only really bad when the commanders start bickering like an old married couple and the whole world can hear
Except this is almost definitely just Russia having no ammo generally and Wagner being paranoid.
Also Wagner's existence is *literally illegal*. They aren't a branch of the Russian military. They're deniable forces being used as meat for the grinder because they're expected to die and conscript losses would be less politically popular.
But even then, not supplying your paramilitary is still fucking retarded, because they STILL are effectively the only force in some areas of the front line. You remove that, and now you have holes in your front line the enemy can exploit.
>but other units haven't reported this problem
so you both have access to russian unit reports and read russian?
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No, but I'd assume that information would spread fast
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spreading such information would be capital offense
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>but other units haven't reported this problem
so you both have access to russian unit reports and read russian?
other units have complained about lack of ammo and there have been individual soldiers reporting lack of ammo. whether that means shells (like priggy wants) or small arms ammo, i dunno. you can check online by googling 'russian soldiers low on ammo'. remember last year FIRS noted a drop of like 75% in artillery firing by Russia. So that suggest it is a widespread issue.
USA wouldn't go to war with China. India might end up at war with China over water rights though.
Direct against China? No. It's clear USA doesn't care about the international laws China is breaking in the sea. But USA did say they'd defend Taiwan. I assume the HOPE is that a new POTUS comes in and they can go >That was the old administrations view, we won't defend Taiwan
And, of course, you could say it's just a bluff to try and stop China from trying.
They have but only during offensive.
You have to remember Russia does push logistics not pull logisitics like the west.
Far less overhead on management but tends to be wasteful by dumping ammo where its not needed say quieter less active sections of the line while being too thin on more active fronts.
I reiterate, they aren't being supplied not due to infighting but due to RUSSIA HAVING NO AMMO.
Wagner simply thinks they aren't being supplied due to infighting.
I'm more inclined to think the Russians are actually cutting off Wagner, but because they're stockpiling against the Ukrainian counteroffensive and not due to politics or any particular desire to fuck Piroghzin specifically over.
>but other units haven't reported this problem
Other units aren't publicly blaming their superiors for not giving them ammo on twitter because they don't want to be fucking shot or arrested.
And Bakhmut is where fighting is fiercest. If Wagner weren't in the fucking grinder and looking for someone to blame for every body, they wouldn't be seeing knives in their backs.
My 2 cents: He's running out of inmates who are still willing (or maybe capable) to fight and doesn't want to end with Wagner just fizzling out and then having nothing to pressure or bargain with. He made too many enemies to let that happen, maybe he's also making sure if Russia goes civil war he has some fighting men to save his head or help him gain some sort of new power.
I really can't decide what's happening. I have three ideas but not sure which it is.
>Everything is literal. He's just an angry orc with too much power getting emotional amd chimping out >Ukraine bought him out and he's leaving right before the offensive >Some dark lord is advising the orcs on how to enploy deception into their strategy to bait the Ukrainians into something
My guess is that (specifically now that they're so close to victory) that Gerasimov and Shoigu are planning to sweep in and replace Wagner for those last few hundred meters like they did at Soledar, and this is just a "I'm not fired, I quit."
If the MoD wins and holds Bakhmut against the expected counteroffensive, he'll talk about how he did all the work but the MoD strangled Wagner like in Soledar
If the MoD fails to finish the job or gets pushed back in the counteroffensive he can claim that things would have been different if he'd been adequately supplied.
>Some dark lord is advising the orcs on how to enploy deception into their strategy to bait the Ukrainians into something
This isn't pre 1900s battlefield mate. No one falls for ebin trap ruses cause the enemy said on TV their weakpoint is the glowing bit behind the bum
>No one falls for ebin trap ruses cause the enemy said on TV their weakpoint is the glowing bit behind the bum
Russia has done exactly this during the war already
I think part of it is that he's trying to present Wagner as Russia's Azov; another is that he needs to have a functional force left over after all of this winds down because he needs to keep his international operations functioning to provide a revenue stream and even braindead African juntas are going to balk if he shows up with a bunch of middle-aged, hep C and AIDS riddled convicts who barely know how to hold a gun.
lol ragequit
modern classic
I don't believe him. This is just a ruse.
likewise skeptical, would assume the Ukrainians are as well...
>Wagner will never take Bakhmut
L BOZO
They legally took it, and now Wagner has kindly given two weeks notice on quitting. Ukrainians better honor that legal status.
> two weeks notice
5th to 10th isn't two weeks.
two weeks is an nonspecific measurement of time, anon
for a town they legally took, they really are bombing the shit out of it
It's their property. Do whatever.
since the wagner group are mercenaries, could the Ukrainians hire them as a quick means of reclaiming all the land they've taken thus far?
it'd be hilarious to see my tax dollars go to the biggest military led land purchase I've ever heard of.
Are they bio-engineered in hato labs? then no
Wagner aren't real mercs. They fill the same role as the SA or SS did in Nazi Germany. SA was a mob of thugs loyal to the party, SS was a mob of thugs loyal to Hitler alone. It would be more accurate to call Wagner Putin's personal paramilitary force because they are loyal to him and his inner circle. And like the SA, they are now being sacrificed because they have outlived their utility.
Theoretically yes, reality, no. They are mercenaries to get around Russian laws and to allow Russia to get involved in places without doing it overtly and directly. But since they are essentially a private army of Putin, they wouldn't do so anyway. Plus Priggy is a wanted man iirc.
they aren't a real merc group. They're basically an arm, but a disposable arm, of the Puccian army.
They're not a real freelance PMC, they're just a wing of the Russian military with enough plausible deniability. They can recruit anyone who flunks out or kicked out of the Russian military, foreign rapists and psychos. They can carry out vicious attacks to protect Russian interests in Africa and elsehwere, and you can say "what? That's not Russian forces. :)".
They larped as hard-core badasses. It was really funny to see the bodies of guys with patches like "I don't believe in anything. I'm just here for the violence". They thought they'd be the ones dishing it out, not receiving it.
Imagine having what has been the only force to make any kind of gains rage quit because you didn't give them enough ammo. What a fucking mess.
They apparently got it but probably couldn't use it well. I guess you could supply the Russian army or wagner but not both because of how fucked up russian logistics is
To be fair, ti did sound like they were getting more ammo when that innsmouth looking guy was in charge of logistics but he got fired so things must have got real bad.
they were getting like 300,000 shells a month. to use on a 40km sector of the frontline. which is insane.
>they were getting like 300,000 shells a month
*burning through
"getting" would imply that expenditure was even remotely sustainable
Yeah, i don't even know how they managed that to be fair especally given how small that area was.
>which is insane
Did you sleep through WW1 week in history class? At the battle of Verdun the Germans fired over a million shells in the first 10 hours, they fired 2m shells in total the first day, then another 2m shells over the remainder of the week, over a 30km front, roughly the same length as the Bakhmut front (Soledar-Bakhmut-Chasiv Yar)
Using WWI as benchmark makes you look like a retard, buddy.
Not him, you are correct that comparing a conventional war fought between the first rate militaries of the period to a war between a two 2nd rate militaries, one being smaller than the size of Texas is indeed retarted.
But, on the opposite end, it is quite disturbing how after all the advance in warfare since 1916, we are still seeing the same doctrines and strategies employed in the same manner as back then. Even the Ukrainian climate is similar to Eastern France. Even technology first are happening like the first case of drone on drone "Dogfighting" which is a callback to the first airplanes being used as bomber by tossing grenades from them into trenches (like the drones are currently doing) to being used a platform to destroy other airplanes.
You have to keep in mind the size disparity between forces that is also playing a role.
imagine a history teacher trying to put all that shit on the fucking exam lmao
Yeah and then a hundred years of technological progress and advances in warfare happened, or did you miss how WWII wasn't just WWI all over again? And how we have things like GPS and missiles and satellites and...fuckin' antibiotics?
And what size were those shells? You need more context than just '1 million shells'.
I believe that the most common artillery piece for the german at that was like 77mm?
In addition to that, rocket artillery wasn't developed(or missiles), which greatly reduces the usage of conventional shells.
You should also consider other factors like the explosive fillings. Using a better but more expensive explosive could easily be the reason of the reduction.
In addition to all of that, Bakhmut just isn't as of a battle as Verdun in the end of the day. And 300000 shells per month is a pretty insane number for modern warfare for that small area.
You dumbasses, Wagner didn't just have artillery support from their own units. They had artillery support of every available Russian and separatist unit plus some limited Russian air power and Wagner's own jets and helicopters. They never depended on just their own artillery for the battle.
Yeah, general Deep One was apparently very close to Wagner all the time, made even more evident by the fact that he actually joined Wagner when he got the boot. It also seems that Prigozhin’s latest meltdown coincides pretty closely with the booting incident.
>because you didn't give them enough ammo
There’s a fair chance that there isn’t much ammo to give
>the only force to make any kind of gains
What gains did they make? Bakhmut is a city they lost and tried to regain.
Well they were moving forward metres which was better then anyone else given the others were charging across minefields like lemmings,
That's a really embarrassing measure of success, but I suppose you're technically correct.
I agree, it is very embarrasing they've had to count in metres like its ww1 but they still kinda got somewhere. Not very far but somewhere.
Imagine believing this story about muh shells. The most retarded Force Russia had spent 20k dead and close to 100k injured to not capture a single town.
None of that is in dispute, but it's still the best success they've had in over 6 months.
Wagner didn't do shit. Almost every big success Russia had in Bakhmut and Soledar was because of the Russian Army. Wagner was just used as canon fodder so that Ukraine was always under attack and never had time to properly prepare or counterattack. Back when it was only Wagner in Bakhmut, during July-November 2022, they accomplished jack shit.
He ragequits, but what about his employees? Are they stays?
It's like StarCraft. They're idling all around the map once the player qqs and can be killed to up you k:d ratio since they're hostile but won't fight back.
>arrives
>doesn’t take bakmoot
>leaves
What an absolute CHAD
>Day 450 in American invasion of Mexico
>Blackwater quits and hands the siege of Ague Prieda over to the Mormon Militia
no, no, more like
>Guy Fieri withdraws Flavortown PMC from the siege of Tijuana, hands over operations to the Mormon Militia
>Flavortown PMC
fund it
>ywn rain down cracklin breaded deepfried ancho wasabi 155mm HE shells topped with cherry smoked bacon bits and drizzled with Guy's own chili infused ginger aioli nacho cheese sauce
Ooooh fuck yeah
>Bakhmut dogs when they find the well seasoned mangled remains of russian troops
>when the MRE is hittin' you just right with a medium rare bone-in ribeye triple butter basted and massaged with a seven pepper steak rub before drowning in sizzlin' sriracha Carolina BBQ sauce on a bed of cheese stuffed, garlic fried tater tots dusted with finely ground jalapeno pork rinds MONEY!-sized with a blue razz mescal chelatarita and Guy's own quad-choc atomic fudge bomb brownie
Hello, my name is elder price, and I am here to share this ammo with you…
Blackwater has already said the Amish will be coming in to take. No fear, all according to plan.
It appears that the "orchestra" has halted playing. The music has stopped.
Link pls
>Link pls
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1654962737494016001
It keeps getting worse and worse
Literally every chapter of this war from the Russian perspective can be concluded with the words "and then it got worse".
Thats just russian history since the 1850s atleast honestly.
Must be so fun being Ukrainian-Russian operator. You speak Russian fluently, you know culture inside and out. You fit because you are one of them.
Then you have suppressed AKSU and can just merc the guards and set up bombs in all the warehouses at your leisure. And every police is corrupt af so you just need to bring $3000 in cash for any traffic stop.
>guards
>getting merced
>implying he doesnt just climb over a chain link fence at night, open the unlocked door, wad up a bunch of newspapers next to an accelerant, and walk away
If Russia, like every other country in human history, sends useful people to the front lines and leaves guarding ammo to mouthbreathers, and from what we have seen from the war, how effective do you think these guards are? Do you anticipate a Solid Snake/Sam Fisher being required, or anyone (literally anyone) who can speak Russian withour an accent, start a fire and stay sober until he’s one oblast away?
Which do (You) think it is?
>that one guy who waltzed into a populated airbase that was nowhere near the Ukrainian/Russian border and filmed himself putting bombs on a helicopter
why would they put eighteen (18) gunpowder warehouses so close together that if one catches on fire they all catch on fire?
Why worry about something that isn't going to happen?
Ah the never ending slav cycle of "wont happen" till it happens.
Saves the arms dealers gas money.
Soviet planning pls andastand
>why would they put eighteen (18) gunpowder warehouses so close together
its called a powder magazine
actually its a powder clip
The smooker strikes again
What modern ammunition uses gunpowder? artillery shells?
I am getting Russo Japanese war "Voyage of the Dammed" vibes off this conflict a lot lately.
I'm honestly dissapointed at the lack of smoking incident threads on here since the 31st. It's been nearly non stop smoking going on since then.
about time, africa is more lucrative for them anyway
Out of all the wars this might be the silliest, shame about all the people dying.
It's kind of amazing just how absurd it is. If you'd ask anyone 5 years ago what a full invasion by Russia would look like they'd probably say it'd be some scary shit but what we got instead was a circus.
I'm really wondering if every war is this retarded but we just don't see all the goofy shit going on behind the scenes because no social media.
Imagine if they'd actually invaded Poland or some other Article 5 shit? Like a month later NATO troops would be wandering the remains of Moscow like "well...now what?"
To be fair it'd be more than a month. I suspect if Article 5 happened (remember, Article 5 doesn't mean 'you immediately send your entire force to attack the aggressor') to a degree that what I just said applied, they'd probably spend at least six months hitting shit with missiles before ever sending ground troops in. This is of course assuming no nukes fly.
>Imagine if they'd actually invaded Poland or some other Article 5 shit? Like a month later NATO troops would be wandering the remains of Moscow like "well...now what?"
I've been thinking about the minimum amount of NATO countries that could take Russia.
Poland + Germany would likely be enough.
Though keeping Russia is another thing. If they got actually invaded Russians would start to actually defend themselves so you'd have endless counter insurgency.
Why does everyone say Russians would form an endless counter insurgency? Their national MO is to roll over and take it from whomever is in charge at the moment. The sheer wealth disparity means that we could simply walk in, take over pension payments, give everyone more money, and immediately have a third of their population knowing they're better off with NATO running things.
If a foreign power ever promised every Russian a new washing machine they could buy out the country.
>he stole a washing machine
Ok I’m convinced Russia isn’t a country, it’s a huge comedy sketch gone wrong
To be Russian is a diagnosis not a nationality.
>it’s a huge comedy sketch gone wrong
Ukraine picked the right man for the job.
whats with these fuckers and washing machines?
Its hard to understand for us 1st worlders that have never washed all our clothes by hand.
When you are used to scrubbing clothes on a washboard a washing machine is star trek level technology.
For me its the childishly disproportionate arrogance
>Beginning of invasion: Now you will pay Holhols! Three days tops! You will see who is boss when the gloves come off
>Later: We cannot expect a quick victory after all this is the next strongest military in the world after our own
The production of "White goods" like washing machines was a problem for the Soviet Union. The USSR's economy was not very good. It was inefficient, it was corrupt, it was not adaptable, etc. That said, it still should have been able to clothe, feed, house people, and give them appliances.
The USSR decided that they needed an army to confront NATO so, post Khrushchev especially, they built a massive military. As set out above, they were poorer than NATO, had less people, were more corrupt, etc. and so on. The only way to keep on par with NATO was to spend an obscene part of their economy on the military to keep pace. Most good estimates place it around 20% of GDP, which means you have to cut elsewhere. White goods, since they used many of the same inputs as military products (factories, steel, small motors, etc..) were cut. Most estimates had the USSR at 1/8th America's per capita production of things like radios, washing machines, vacuum cleaners, sewing machines, televisions, and so forth. Because the goods were so rare, they were expensive in the USSR and hard to get.
A Washing Machine isn't a huge investment, but even today isn't cheap. The equivalent for Putin's time in 1983 likely could have been 5-6 months of deposable earnings. This problem has continued today. Russians are still poor and they suffer a backlog of missing goods. Only 45% of Russians own a car 1/2 the US rate. Things are better since 1991, but they're still a ways behind. That is why a disposable item like a washing machine is likely still seen as something worth stealing by Vodka morons.
Where'd you get this info? Not that I'm doubting you, that's just pretty interesting and I might wanna check out the book or whatever that you got it from
Which part? Russian military spending in the 1960's-1980's? Durable goods production rates? Most of my knowledge comes from books like "The Rise and Fall of the Soviet Union", "The Struggle to Save the Soviet Economy" and "A Failed Empire: The Soviet Union in the Cold War from Stalin to Gorbachev " plus a whole shit ton of papers I've read online. There is no lack of books on the subject.
To me, the economic/historical books for the cold war era are much less interesting than some of the pre-war (198-1941) stuff, on things like scientific socialism, the use of western technology and experts in building the Soviet economy, and Lenin's NEP
I don't think it's fair to look at car ownership alone, Europe as a whole has fewer cars on average then USA,
Quick bit of math shows that we could literally give everyone in Crimea a brand new Maytag washer/dryer as a bribe to fuck off for only $2.5 billion dollars.
In Finland, we always had our own doomsayers saying how it would be impossible to defend the country, with all critical infrastructure blown apart in hours, pilots getting assassinated at the start of the war, etc. dreary shit. I personally always considered that overly pessimistic, but now that we saw the clownfest that was the first weeks of the war, those predictions seem utterly, absurdly comical.
Either
>It's real and it's time for TEMPO
>Ukraine tries something big and gets smacked down, Prigozhin posts "jk lol" on Twitter.
He is trying to perform some Russian genius level trick and will actually move in more men for the pre-May 9 attack.
>Date 1 August 2022 – present
>(9 months and 5 days)
nine months of le musician posting and look where they are now
Never forget that this was their attitude. That they all knew what they were doing, and supported it wholeheartedly. The guilt is collective and total, shared from top to bottom. Don't believe one word of their "I didn't know, they lied to us, I was too scared to speak out, we were victims too" bullshit. Nothing less than a full state apology, a renunciation of the vile poison of ruscism, and reparations in full is acceptable for atonement.
funny how things turn out sometimes
The Germans literally created the word Genocide and used it for the first time in history to eradicate an entire people. Russia hasn't done even a tenth of that. Don't compare.
eat shit, garden gnome
>The Germans literally created the word Genocide and used it for the first time in history to eradicate an entire people. Russia hasn't done even a tenth of that. Don't compare.
Lmao
Russia genocided its way into the Pacific Ocean long before the term was coined. One of the first well-documented genocides in history was actually committed by Russia - the Circassian genocide.
>Russia genocided its way into the Pacific Ocean long before the term was coined. One of the first well-documented genocides in history was actually committed by Russia - the Circassian genocide.
They literally committed genocide on (modern) American soil too. Ever read Island of the Blue Dolphins?
>In 1814, the Russian–American Company brig Il’mena brought a party of Aleuts and Russian fur traders from Russian Alaska to San Nicolas island in search of sea otter and seal. They killed many of the Nicoleño men and raped many of the women leaving the population decimated.[2] By the 1830s only around twenty remained; some sources put the number at seven, six women and an old man named Black Hawk. Black Hawk suffered a head injury during the massacre. Hearing of this, the Santa Barbara Mission on the mainland sponsored a rescue mission, and in late 1835 Captain Charles Hubbard sailed out to the Channel Islands aboard the schooner Peor es Nada. Most of the tribe boarded the ship, but one, the woman later known as Juana Maria, did not arrive before a storm rose and the ship had to return to port. Hubbard was unable to return for Juana Maria at the time as he had received orders to take a shipment of lumber to Monterey, California, and before he could return to Santa Barbara the Peor es Nada hit a heavy board in the mouth of the San Francisco Bay and sank. A lack of other available ships is usually cited as preventing further rescue attempts.
San Nicolas Island isn't some faraway land, it's part of Ventura County, California. If you go surfing off the coast of Santa Barbara, you're literally less than sixty miles from a Russian war crimes site.
Wait holy shit I knew island of the blue dolphins happened near where I grew up but russians were involved???
>Russia hasn't done even a tenth of that.
Look at Soviet history. Inb4 not Russia.
>holocaust
>4,000,000 - 7,000,000 est
>holodomor
>3,000,000 - 5,000,000 est
>Raphael Lemkin (who coined the term "genocide" and was an initiator of the Genocide Convention), has called the Holodomor a genocide and the intentional result of Stalinist policies.
>4,000,000 - 7,000,000
The holocaust wasn't just the garden gnomes, anon.
>used it for the first time in history to eradicate an entire people
Prove it. And criticize the Talmud. Bet you won’t
Why would I deliberately anger Moloch?
>Germans literally created the word Genocide
no, it was invented by Europeans to describe the actions of the Ottomans towards the Armenians for propaganda purposes.
The fact the Soviets got to say ANYTHING at Nuremberg blows my fucking mind. Why, you ask? I dunno, maybe because the Russian Chief Prosecutor at Nuremberg was running a fucking concentration camp IN THE RUINS of Sachsenhausen.
To be quite frank Russia was a backwater that Uncle Sam felt sorry for because the USA has never liked it when white(-ish) people fight each other. So we bailed out the Soviets with Lend Lease and then gave them a seat at the Big Boy table as a sort of participation trophy for sacrificing so many of their people to stop the square heads, only for them to then promptly about face and engage in half a century of dick ass back-stabbery.
Now that history is repeating itself in the opposite direction one would hope that maybe they might see the error of their ways and realize that Uncle Sam was largely responsible for them not being a German satellite state and give us some credit where credit is due.
For real Russia. We have tried over and over to be your friend (under no less than 4 different presidents) but you keep acting like an asshole. Maybe after getting bopped in the nose this time you will finally cut it out.
Russia is technically a democracy. The difference is institutional culture rather than system of government
I can't wait to pick up some agar publicus in Koenigsburg, I tell you what.
You mean they promptly engaged in half a century of everything they already were doing for decades before the United States got involved?
I opened transcriptions of Rudenko evidence presentation at Nuremberg and i cannot find anything similar to this.
Just one of those strange cohencidences, I'm sure it's nothing to worry about. Or even think about.
The extermination of every last fucking Asiatic Bolshevik subhuman is the only acceptable atonement.
the musicians after 9 months of grinding battle in Bakhmut
lul
It's not been 9 months. That's just wikipedia being their typical idiots. It's been 11, possibly 12 months it started in June last year, possibly late May.
Pauvre petit bebe.
For Justice's sake, I hope someone cuts off his head live on one of his propaganda broadcasts.
>Says only 10% of required rounds provided to Wagner as of May 1 (down from 30% as of 2023), leading to unsustainable losses. Says remaining troops will be parked for recovery and retraining at bases in Russia "until danger to Russia is gone"
ITS FUCKING OVER
These training bases wouldn't happen to be near Moscow would they?
An entire Wagner training base? At this time of year? Localized entirely inside Red Square?
Yes
May I see it?
>SHOIGU THE WAREHOUSE IS ON FIRE
Did anyone ever say why he's still moving all weird after he an hero'd?
same reason why a chicken runs after being decapitated, neurons keep firing for a while
Because he's a dumb Russian and when he put the gun in his mouth, he didn't account for the angle, thus missed blowing apart his cerebellum. (Located at the rear base of your skull right behind where your spinal cord connects to your brain). The controls all complex movement in the body, a perfect shot there would also sever the spinal cord, thus no extra body movement past muscle relaxation.
He probably blew out the the top of his skull, which is still a killshot, but the brain can still fire off last second synapses and send death spasms through the body.
In his defense, he took a direct hit from a grenade and his legs are shredded five seconds ago; nobody is making precise angular calculations in that state.
Ah I haven't seen the video of the drone actually dropping the nade. I feel like a asshole now. I thought he was just depressed and decided to end it.
Because people don't die instantly in real life like they do in the movies.
Sauce
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/11tsui7/russian_soldier_commits_suicide_after_being_hit/
How is /chug/ coping with this?
oops, wrong pic. but basically they think it's 69420 dimensional chess
Aegis: "Thanks for free live fire testing boss". Russia must be pissing off PLA. US gets to use Ukraine lile Chinalake .
Ukraine is more being used like the spanish civil war where everyone is Ops testing shit for the coming world war.
>Spanish Civil War and Sino-Japanese War were preludes (depending on where you consider the start of the Second World War) to WW2
>War in Ukraine and War in Sudan are the preludes to Third World War between USA (and I assume a few allies) and China
USA wouldn't go to war with China. India might end up at war with China over water rights though.
not really, china would be the main opposition in a world war and they're reluctant to send any of their systems. a few turkish drones and some world war era tanks alongside cold war era nato equipment and modern squad weapons is what it is
Speaking of. It's hilarious how many Russians have came to the realization that the Chinese aren't their friends
China was never their friend but they at least had respect for them.
That seems to be gone now if you follow Chinese language media and bloggers.
Well yeah we are ensuring they are locked out so they get no real world combat experiance or tactical refinements.
Honestly its pretty great.
The US however is enjoying the stress testing while preventing the chinese from doing the same.
>NATO: are we so advanced that our 30yo systems can clap the cheeks of the supposed 2nd superpower of the world?
>Ukraine: can we turn the contents of a hobby shop and a crate of grenades into manmade horrors beyond (Russian) comprehension?
>Russia: can 30k churkas, mobiks, and prisoners assault a fortified position across a minefield pre-sighted for artillery armed with Brezhnev-era surplus?
Not quite the same.
Why is this suprising patiots were literally built spefically to shoot down ballistic missiles going reentry/hypersonic speeds.
Its like being shocked when a ATGM pops a tank.
I saw a chimpout thread on /v/ and it's literally this
They think Russia is playing multidimensional time travel chess
Link?
Raiding is for fags
It's not a raid, it's a counter-offensive 😉
Decommissioned ammo got detonated, hohols helped to dispose of it
The hilarious thing is he probably wasn't explicitly being denied ammo. Their stocks are just that fucking low.
I have no doubt Russians are low on ammo. Wagner is just in super-denial, lol.
>Wagner is just in super-denial
The thing is they're fucking Nazis, so fuckups have to be because they're being backstabbed. That's how their brain works.
>wntb
You know, I always wondered how the fuck they were lasting for so long. Even ignoring ukrainian propaganda wagner was losing +100 a day during the worst weeks of the battle
I repeat, 100 fucking souls a day just gone. Every day
Thats worse than fucking vietnam. No PCM can survive that even with penal batallions.
Hell, im pretty sure most modern armies would be fucked with so many casualties
It's fine, just never tell soldiers what happened with previous six groups that tried storming that trench and keep recruiting new guys
Their recruitment effort was probably huge
Wonder what's gonna happen to the penal battalions, will they rebel before making it back to Russia? Afterall all of the fresh ones will not have enough time in the campaign to be eligible for release and I doubt anyone would want to go back to prison a failure to just be raped by a churka and shames by relatives
Yo, what happened to the 300,000 crates of military equipment he "found" in a cave that would let the orchestra continue playing for years?
embezzled
Now it will be like: "Wagner never really cared about Bakhmut" lol.
No the cope has already begun that fagner was a irregular light infantry force that was never meant to win but grind them down for political reasons, or to get em all killed so they dont have to pay more wages and the Russian state gets more wins. But to all the 4chantards coping this the past few months and undoubtedly the rest of the year, these mercs are fighting age Russian citizens, they are not sending poor mercs from another cunt to die horrible deaths, they're sending their own men.
Can't wait for the cope
How are these delusional gays still posting?
When you're disturbingly deep into nonsense, you ignore facts and truth in favour of your delusions.
They're paid to
lovechair warlord is furiously posting homemade diagrams and defense plans to cope that it's all part of the plan
they literally will never stop
Kind of like you (I assume) get up every day and go to work. It's like saying "why do garbage men pick up disgusting bags of trash and throw it in a truck?".
Either paid to or they know that if Russia actually loses they'll be at the end of the rope
At some point you just can't admit that your entire life was a joke.
Imagine Germans watching garden gnomes being herded into gas chambers and then denying that they ever knew about the holocaust. Or Russians seeing their neighbors taken to the gulags. Or Chinese watching their neighbors be denounced. Or Turks and Armenians or Americans and Indians/blacks. Same thing. It’s easier to say “din no nuffin.”
>it was a great victory
>No, dont ask why our great victories are happening closer and closer to our borders
>for May 9 next year, Russia will achieve a great moral victory right on the outskirts of Moscow!
Ortho converts are in a league of their own when it comes to delusions
Message from the Kamchatka, they've sunk seven Japanese torpedo boats.
>our brave warriors run away while the panicked enemy pursues them
>This is the worst day of the war.
>The worst day of the war *so far*.
So now the Chechens will be taking over, right? Or is Bakhmut effectively in Ukraines hands now?
he's trolling kadyrov
guys /v/ is stealing our memes and relying on info that's literally over 10 hours old
How many calories are in ammunition?
>How much calories?
The same as a piggy, but that is haram
/v/ is making fun of us again
I went there and it's the same people who post on PrepHole. Same filenames, so talking points. They're literally defending Russia being multi-ethnic by going
>Well they stay in their own places!
LOL.
Link the thread, I want to indulge in their stupidity
>guy posts the VDV video of all the black guys who are being added to it
>t-t-they're just training as representatives...
>they're in the fucking uniform
what can I say, I'm a /v/ man myself
MUH AMMO
>Ragequit
So we're gonna see the Chechen Tiktok soldiers now?
jesus christ the counteroffensive hasn't even started! I thought they'd get bakhmut eventually but this is just pathetic.
I wouldn't trust anything the Russians say. Not ever.
I don't believe him
uh what in the flying fuck is this
they finally killed the /v/ thread.. dios mio
Man, crossboarding of 4chan and /v/ being stronger than here at this point is a surprise
Why? It surprises you that anti social chuds on 4chan are also heavy videogame players?
/v/ kinda funneled people into 4chan over time.
I'd argue most of the pre-2016 4chanacks were from /v/.
I’m expecting my ban any second now.
You did well buddy
MUH SHELLS MUTHAFUCKA
honk honk
Remember when the Japanese navy and army were fucking each other over during ww2 for political reasons, effectively tripling their war effort?
You'd think people would learn, interservice rivalry is okay when it's just banter, but fucking over any participating unit or force is fucking over every single person involved on your side.
Story old as time. These are now law based systems, for force based systems. The dictator/king/emperor keeps the sub-armies quarreling with each other so they can't team up and take the bigwig down. It's by design. It means they're incredibly inefficient and terrible at what they do.
Turns out the real strength of Democracy/Republics is as simple as the armed forces not constantly fucking each other over to impress the Fearless Leader. Might be weak vs psyops but hopefully they will fix that in future versions now that we've seen what happens when we lower our guard against foreign intelligence agencies.
no joke, this war has made me appreciate more the strength of the democratic system, despite its flaws, like damn, i would hate being dragged into a conflict like the one in Ukraine just because monkey want banan
pure, unadulterated nightmare fuel
Indeed. Imagine if supreme leader Biden/Trump got on TV and announced conscription to fight a war against Canada and sent people over there with no training armed with crusty ass guns, and on top of that every branch of the military plus Black Water (or whatever the fuck they call themselves now) were constantly undermining each other. Meanwhile all the major news networks keep telling you that everything is going smoothly despite the three day special military operation in Canada taking over a year. Being unable to buy anything at home because the China controlled world economy has sanctioned you and supplied the Canadians with top of the line equipment and drones that kill your countrymen without them hardly ever being aware of it. Then to top it all off the Canadians are not only killing disproprtionate amounts of your guys but now they might even push you out of their country and take back the other land you stole from them. And you have sacrificed your young men for nothing but an impending civil war and decades of further economic decline and being a pariah state on par with Iran or North Korea.
I mean holy fuck. It's so bad that the Russians at this point are weaponizing second hand embarrassment.
>It's so bad that the Russians at this point are weaponizing second hand embarrassment.
All part of the 5d chess of Putin. Convince western pig dogs that Russia Stronk, and then demonstrate overwhelmingly that Russia weak to the point that western useful idiots commit mass suicide out of shame for ever having a positive opinion of Russia.
>the Russians at this point are weaponizing second hand embarrassment
it used to happen a lot more when standing armies were less popular. the french navy ignored battle plans to go fight closer to their colonial interests during the revolutionary war, lincoln's generals famously could've done more than they did. it's only really bad when the commanders start bickering like an old married couple and the whole world can hear
Except this is almost definitely just Russia having no ammo generally and Wagner being paranoid.
Also Wagner's existence is *literally illegal*. They aren't a branch of the Russian military. They're deniable forces being used as meat for the grinder because they're expected to die and conscript losses would be less politically popular.
But even then, not supplying your paramilitary is still fucking retarded, because they STILL are effectively the only force in some areas of the front line. You remove that, and now you have holes in your front line the enemy can exploit.
I reiterate, they aren't being supplied not due to infighting but due to RUSSIA HAVING NO AMMO.
Wagner simply thinks they aren't being supplied due to infighting.
but other units haven't reported this problem, so that's mere speculation.
>but other units haven't reported this problem
so you both have access to russian unit reports and read russian?
No, but I'd assume that information would spread fast
spreading such information would be capital offense
other units have complained about lack of ammo and there have been individual soldiers reporting lack of ammo. whether that means shells (like priggy wants) or small arms ammo, i dunno. you can check online by googling 'russian soldiers low on ammo'. remember last year FIRS noted a drop of like 75% in artillery firing by Russia. So that suggest it is a widespread issue.
Direct against China? No. It's clear USA doesn't care about the international laws China is breaking in the sea. But USA did say they'd defend Taiwan. I assume the HOPE is that a new POTUS comes in and they can go
>That was the old administrations view, we won't defend Taiwan
And, of course, you could say it's just a bluff to try and stop China from trying.
They have but only during offensive.
You have to remember Russia does push logistics not pull logisitics like the west.
Far less overhead on management but tends to be wasteful by dumping ammo where its not needed say quieter less active sections of the line while being too thin on more active fronts.
I'm more inclined to think the Russians are actually cutting off Wagner, but because they're stockpiling against the Ukrainian counteroffensive and not due to politics or any particular desire to fuck Piroghzin specifically over.
>but other units haven't reported this problem
Other units aren't publicly blaming their superiors for not giving them ammo on twitter because they don't want to be fucking shot or arrested.
And Bakhmut is where fighting is fiercest. If Wagner weren't in the fucking grinder and looking for someone to blame for every body, they wouldn't be seeing knives in their backs.
Rip in peace AIDS dirlewanger.
My 2 cents: He's running out of inmates who are still willing (or maybe capable) to fight and doesn't want to end with Wagner just fizzling out and then having nothing to pressure or bargain with. He made too many enemies to let that happen, maybe he's also making sure if Russia goes civil war he has some fighting men to save his head or help him gain some sort of new power.
I really can't decide what's happening. I have three ideas but not sure which it is.
>Everything is literal. He's just an angry orc with too much power getting emotional amd chimping out
>Ukraine bought him out and he's leaving right before the offensive
>Some dark lord is advising the orcs on how to enploy deception into their strategy to bait the Ukrainians into something
Keen to find out what it will be.
My guess is that (specifically now that they're so close to victory) that Gerasimov and Shoigu are planning to sweep in and replace Wagner for those last few hundred meters like they did at Soledar, and this is just a "I'm not fired, I quit."
If the MoD wins and holds Bakhmut against the expected counteroffensive, he'll talk about how he did all the work but the MoD strangled Wagner like in Soledar
If the MoD fails to finish the job or gets pushed back in the counteroffensive he can claim that things would have been different if he'd been adequately supplied.
>Some dark lord is advising the orcs on how to enploy deception into their strategy to bait the Ukrainians into something
This isn't pre 1900s battlefield mate. No one falls for ebin trap ruses cause the enemy said on TV their weakpoint is the glowing bit behind the bum
>This isn't pre 1900s battlefield mate
It is in Russia.
>No one falls for ebin trap ruses cause the enemy said on TV their weakpoint is the glowing bit behind the bum
Russia has done exactly this during the war already
I think part of it is that he's trying to present Wagner as Russia's Azov; another is that he needs to have a functional force left over after all of this winds down because he needs to keep his international operations functioning to provide a revenue stream and even braindead African juntas are going to balk if he shows up with a bunch of middle-aged, hep C and AIDS riddled convicts who barely know how to hold a gun.
The Hispanice Must Flow, so Ivans packing their stuff back to Africa