Prigogine turned out to be big fat liar(who would have thought). Russian journalist investigated what happened South of Bakhmut and why 72nd brigade run.
Turns out Ukrainian breakthrough happened on Wagner part of a front, they just run away and didn't inform anyone about that, 72nd brigade got caught with their pants down because Azov came from positions that Wagner was supposed to hold
Russian army doesn't communicate with Wagner and vice-versa, PMCs, Army, Rosgvardia, Chechens, LPR, DPR and police constantly backstab each other and steal what they can. Hopefully it gets worse and worse, Wagner shifting blame for their fuck up on army won't help their relationship at all
Aways with the ass! ALWAYS with the ASS!. What is this vatnik fixation with the ass is in the ass?
>Aways with the ass! ALWAYS with the ASS!. What is this vatnik fixation with the ass is in the ass?
It's a soviety of ex-cons (huge chunk of males have done time) including Prigozhin. What happens in prison? Ass sex and pimping and rape.
Highest AIDS and m/m rape statistics in Europe.
If you like gay buttsecks
Vatnig I'm your man
You lose some, lose more
It's all the same to me
My pleasures only gay
Makes no difference what you say
I will share your seed
If it's riddled with disease
The Space of Aids
The Space of Aids
>Mobïkhead, with front man Lenin Kill-lister.
>I DON'T WANT TO CHOOSE
>THE BUTTSEX OR THE BOOZE
>BUT THAT'S THE WAY I LIKE IT BABY I AIN'T GONNA LIVE FOREVER
as funny as it might seem, it's not a prison or a sexual term, it's unfortunately just a literal translation of "sitting next to each other (on a small bench)"
that being said, russians are homos
t. slav
>it's unfortunately just a literal translation of "sitting next to each other (on a small bench)"
So it's just a humorous, vulgar equivalent of "shoulder to shoulder"?
precisely
yes, but sideways
This
Americans have a similar expression to being uncomfortably close together. It's called "butts to nuts".
It's nuts to butts, retard
Does the order really matter here, autist?
Hmm, in West Germany we say "Eng wie Sardinen in der Dose", close like sardines in a can.
Eastern Germans say "Eng wie der Penis im Arsch des anderen", which i don't dare translate.
How is Girkin still alive?
He's working for russian gov.
He acts as the FSB's mouthpiece and is protected by the ultranationalists both in and out of government. He's old school glowmoron and knows all the skeletons in the closet.
he is controlled, if you actually watch his videos from his basement studio you will notice that he never actually says anything bad about the govt actions, all he says is that everything is a half measure and things should be done better, so he is only meant to radicalize and throw more fuel into the fire
Nah it’s not like that, Girkin is a sort-of leader (not in a literal sense) of a newer political movement in Russia which I’ve heard called Z nationalists. Tl;dr stop half assing it. Saying they’re controlled by Putin is a bit of a misnomer, they aren’t necessarily anti-Putinists but they are a political wing which exists inside and outside of the Kremlin.
you don't eliminate your main fake narrative source. that's kg^H^Hfsb 101, comrade.
Controlled opposition. He seems to go against the line but he is only saying what the Kremlin want him to.
Is still glowie.
drop the 3/3
>ass-to-ass
kino movie
>ass to ass
>read “ass to ass” in
Russian army doesn't communicate with Wagner and vice-versa, PMCs, Army, Rosgvardia, Chechens, LPR, DPR and police constantly backstab each other and steal what they can. Hopefully it gets worse and worse, Wagner shifting blame for their fuck up on army won't help their relationship at all
>immediately scroll down, not stopping until I find pic related
Honestly I expected it sooner, literally the next post, but this suffices. Doing God’s work Anon
I fucking love the last paragraph.
>that last bit
Wait, but the other Asians told me all is right with the world?
It's funny because Mao won precisely because he was able to create a more unified chain of command than the KMT. Because of his absolutely horrific failures as a political leader later in life, and how delusional he became as he was increasingly living in an echo chamber, completely disassociated from reality, people forget that young Map was an incredibly daring and successful military commander who could act pragmatically, along with being a brilliant tactician.
But at best you could say his grand strategy had an enormous human toll that bought China real power on the world stage. He did take China out of half a century of war and a full century of stagnant population to an absolutely exploding population (China's population almost doubled under Mao), and it was one of a tiny handful of countries with space launch capability and nuclear weapons towards the end of Mao's life and had fought the US and UN to a stalemate (by being willing to take way higher losses) and successfully withstood a military conflict with the USSR. At the same time, the consequences of his policies had been absolutely horrific, and show the same darkness of spirit that arguably reaches its apex in Stalin. That said, I would say that Mao was more cruel out of delusion than Stalin, while also being at least actually good as a general instead of continually fucking over war efforts, so I give Map a slight edge over Stalin, but obviously it's a race to the absolute bottom of the barrel with those two.
Stalin was cruel with a very clear (but still fucked up) reasoning of creating "stability" and loyalty through constant terror and paranoia.
Mao's cruelty was half complete delusion of grandeur and excessive narcissism, and half insane toddler tantrum when the first half's results made some people not happy with him. So you either died because of him being "benevolent", or because he fucked up yet again and tries to un-do it by killing everyone who even mildly indicated they might possibly think he did indeed fuck up. The fact that China even survived Mao as a general idea of a nation is astonishing.
>The fact that China even survived Mao as a general idea of a nation is astonishing.
debatable. The cultural devolution alone effectively wiped out the previous centuries of history. Only little, mostly corrupted pieces, remain mostly due to oral tradition. To the point where a couple of old buddha statues emerging from an old dams reservoir on the mainland was a big event as all of them were blown up and destroyed by his rat gang.
The contrast between Taiwan, which more or less is a continuation of old china, and mainland is just disturbingly stark. Specially with anything related to culture (or lack of it)
>that last paragraph
Just like in my CS:GO matches, if something goes wrong - better start fragging your teammates!
>Just like in my CS:GO matches
That's probably where they got all their experience and training from.
>trusting Russians when they make up excuses about how something is totally someone else's fault
Prigozhin blamed Shoigu for his lack of ammunition, despite getting priority over most other units.
Chechens constantly blame everyone else for the fact they're not actually fighting at the front.
Everyone blames PMCs/Rosgvardia/SOBR/Mobiks/Bombassiks for any defeat happening within 50km of their positions, but everyone is quick to claim any advances made as their own.
If you trust Russian sources, you might be lead to believe the entire war is a series of retreats caused by the failings of random politicians and commanders that force otherwise victorious troops to pull back.
>If you trust Russian sources, you might be lead to believe the entire war is a series of retreats caused by the failings of random politicians and commanders that force otherwise victorious troops to pull back
I mean, well yeah, that's not far off.
imagine for a second a well-organized, well diciplined and well doctrined russian army command structure.
a lot of their problems should then not exist
>imagine for a second a well-organized, well diciplined and well doctrined russian army command structure
No I can't
Skill issue.
My original point is that it's just a blame game and the Russian army is not the victorious well-oiled warmachine they thought it was.
If western politicians were not spineless cowards, this war would have been over 6 months ago.
(then again, if they were not spineless cowards, this war would have never started)
Army is just a continuation of society. To imagine russian army well-organized, well disciplined and well doctrined would be to imagine different society, one that isn't russian anymore.
>worse than women, honestly
>strelkov throws shit on everyone
>Russian army doesn't communicate with Wagner and vice-versa, PMCs, Army, Rosgvardia, Chechens, LPR, DPR and police constantly backstab each other and steal what they can. Hopefully it gets worse and worse, Wagner shifting blame for their fuck up on army won't help their relationship at all
And what's really funny is thats this is on purpose. Creating many branches that constantly compete rather than cooperate exist so dictators wont be couped. Putin have no one to blame but himself.
This method is good when one group is strong enough to beat enemy. But now all of them cannot hope to fight efficiently against Ukies.
This reminds of why DPR and LPR exist. Fearing that one Donbass people republic will be too unified for Russia they created those two republics instead
What people don’t quite realize is this applies to the branches as well
It’s why the Navy had a minor rebellion at the start of the war, refusing to risk their assets, and it’s why the Air Force is mostly refusing to do fuck all and risk their assets. In Georgia in the war, Russia lost about 6 aircraft to a country who never launched their airforce- because Russia air defense shot all those Russian birds down, which they still deny lmao. If Russia birds flew there’s no way for the Russia airforce to communicate to the Russian army air defense assets that they are flying and not to target them, at least not reliably and during heavy flying. There is almost no communication between the two. Again, remember the situation of radios and communications between formations at the start of the war
This also any claims from Putin that Army will be reformed are bullshit. He will never do it, not really, because he or any other dictator risks creating force that can oppose him.
Russians commanders sound like the average DOTA team.
>Strelkov throws shit on everyone
based
Where's the cock
Tucked back inside his ass.
Those hips unless shooped indicate no cock
Those nipples are outside of his ears.
The fuck does that have to do with anything
>Guys, what are we fighting for?
Putin's gilded toilet. Is it worth it?
THIS is why Ukraine will win. They don't waste time fighting with each other.
>laughing feline
This is like pre-industrial warfare. Don't they have radios?
You mean the ones that were straight up yoinked or stripped of their components so they are unservicable and can't use any encryption?
You mean whatever cheap shit they can find that only works for limited distances and allows everyone and their mother to listen in on what you're doing and saying?
>and can't use any encryption?
you can securely communicate with encrypted messages over open radio, you just need pen and paper
Russian army talks to the Russian army and high command. Who is Wagner? Not the Russian army. Whoops.
Do you have an idea how much vodka you can get for a VHF? The one that you don't know how to use it anyway, because money that suppose to be spend on your training funded a golden doorknob on some oligarch yacht now anchored in Abu Dhabi?
That's too much of a temptation for an average vatnik. They are simple creatures.
I think Russia use cable telephone for communication between frontline trenches and HQ (which is not the main problem according to the pro-NATO observer because it is secure to interception from Ukraine). It just that the explanation gave more clue as to why Russian sucks at communicating with each other.
Russia is a failed state.
They do have radios but they can’t communicate with Wagner because they aren’t actually the Russian army
It just works trust me bro
Yes they have. But if you are more than 100 meters apart they don't work.
I had those when I was a kid.
From a report I read they just jam the fuck out of everything including themselves. Like broadband max gammaray full spectrum jamming 24/7 but because they don't want to lose EW gear they are mostly behind the line of contact and mostly Jamm themselves.... And the jam every thing like GPS but they need GPS too..
So there were periods when nobody could communicate untill some officer started to bitch at the jammer unit. This appeared to happen multiple times at the Kiew feint. A mix of jamming and open communication on boafengs and other commercial shit...
this wouldnt have happened if they got more MUH SHELLS!
Where is 3/3? it's a good read
>should I send a line to the front, so that once and for all you find out who has bigger?
What?
I assume it means a ruler, like in a dick-measuring contest.
Thanks anons. These translations are killing me
Measure who has bigger dick
Bigger peen anon. These translations aren't the best but they suffice.
Lineal - ruler
Lmao classic warlordism. Like the modern Saudi forces, the Russian white army, the Kuomintang, the Qing during the 19th century, the Spanish anarchists…. Literally every time in history there is a decentralised military force with multiple competing chains of command or loyalty based on region/direct commander hahahhahahhahahahaha fuck me it’s so fucking funny and thirdies are only going to keep doing it hahahahaha literal skaven tier
its always ther same shit. It's all just history repeating itself.
>the Spanish anarchists
Man as a Spaniard you dont even know how bad it was. Madrid literally was taken because those retards started a civil war inside a civil war. At the end they were backstabbing each other so hard that Franco Nationalists just overran the entire front.
>you have more
The only thing the Russians have more of at this point is numbers and Soviet-era stockpiles.
i cant wait for russia drowning in an absolute shitshow of civil war
im already hard as fuck
>spend decades agitating fringe extremists on both sides of the American political spectrum
>use political deadlock to sieze Crimea while 5th columnists praise your strongman persona
>get blamed for populist president upsetting dynastic candidate as an excuse to weaponize judicial system
>stoke flames of racial/cultural friction
>endlessly shill American civil war/balkanization/collapse
>invade neighbor
>oh fuck
>oh shit!
>how does this keep happening?!?
>collapse into civil war between roving bands of pmc warlords amd govt regional armies
It really is just America's world
>Ukies took 3km and noone noticed
>The 72nd is trying to fight close quarters using artillery
>Fagner took someone else's tank as paynent because they crushed their pickup
>Luganda and Donbabwe forces cannot make it to the fight, and are having their shit seized at customs
>Everything is simple, ass to ass.
Makes perfect sense to me!
Checked.
You didn't read the rulebook, didn't you?
This is brilliant. You can't post this and leave out the Animosity table. Or the sauce.
Warhammer Fantasy, but no dice on edition.
Who would have thought that having a private force outside of your regular military would lead to conflicts of pride, command, and logistics? Especially where they're all about hyper-aggression and brutality.
If only Russia had some kind of previois example to learn from...I can't think of any. I'm at a loSS.
Now I understand why Bolsheviks wanted a political commissar in every unit.
Bolshies wanted commissars to micromanage everything about their army and keep a pulse on army morale. They were invented because Bolshies didn't trust their own army officers.
Well the Russian army proves them right.
they knew how they themselves subverted the janky tzar army from inside out, in the throws of getting their asses handed to them by the germans. so they applied their inquisitors to keep the cattle under control with no chance of rebellion
Putin's government re-introduced commisars in 2018 to the RU military, they still exist, they're called "political officers".
Who could see that coming!
imagine /rcwg/ after this shit, lmao
I bet 100 bucks it would be a nuclear civil war
who is that "jorunalist" and why it cant be pro-mil.faction fag on tg just shitting on fagner to cover mil ass?
All Russian journalists are pro-X mil. Bloggers
>just shitting on fagner to cover mil ass?
Wagner was allowed to shit on 72nd brigade, it's completely fair yo give 72nd brigade chance to shit on Wagner
This person is shitting on everyone from the MoD to Girkin to Fagner to the chechens. If they’re a paid shill who is supposed to be targeting fagner they’re doing a bad job tbqh
Who is this reporter anyway? I demand a name and a source OP
Anastasia Kashevarova
Someone needs to tell women that plastic surgery makes them look worse every single time. I literally do not see you as a person when you look like this.
It doesn't matter to the Russkies because the arab princes won't take them in their harems unless they go full Bogdanoff
Plastic surgery is good for fixing basically 1 major deformity, usually a big ugly nose or weird jaw. It's all diminishing returns from there, but that's still enough to get a lot of people addicted and forever chasing that first big jump in attractiveness.
plastic surgery is like CGI, you only notice the bad examples, but there are a fuckon of celebrities that you couldn't guess they been under the knife if you don't compare them with older photos.
Nah that's just Russian bitches looking like that when they start getting older.
ah, just irrelevant vatnig scum with some connections trying to smooth things over between factions by shitting out long posts on telegram. good luck, I guess
I trust her more than Wagner
why would you trust any of those people?
I trust Russian post action report that blames most Russian sides at the same time.
Prigogine blames army
She's blaming all Russian formations
Ergo, she's more truthful
He is at the anger stage of grief.
Literally every zgrammer apart from romanov (kinda), girkin and murz are on fagner payroll
Or, the Russian press is lying.
Whatever the truth is, if both sides are trying to shift blame, the ass is definitely in the ass.
If the Russians were this messed up how have they been advancing and seizing territory for most of the war? How did Wagner take over 90% of Bakhmut, the most heavily defended location on the front?
Wow, Russia took *whole* Bakmut, physically? How many man it took them to do this?
You disingenous, dense motherfucker
>how have they been advancing and seizing territory for most of the war.
blitzkrieg tactics worked for a whopping 1 day and a half, after that it has been 437 days of very small frontline changes, with two fronts collapsing and retreating and minor villages captured.
>How did Wagner take over 90% of Bakhmut, the most heavily defended location on the front?
put this question the other way around:
if the russians were not so messed up, how did Wagner not fully take over Bakhmut, a small city with little strategic importance, the most heavily assaulted location on the front?
>how have they been advancing and seizing territory for most of the war?
Acknowledging the yellow parts of this graph can result in a prison sentence of up to 15 years under Article 207.3 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
Why would you jail someone for saying objective facts.
They violate alternative facts, comrade.
Objective facts would discredit the armed forces of the Russian Federation.
Anon there are
Facts 🙂
And then there are
Facts 🙁
Knowing the difference could save your life
>If the Russians were this messed up how have they been advancing and seizing territory for most of the war?
its quite simple really, they didnt
>How did Wagner take over 90% of Bakhmut, the most heavily defended location on the front?
you mean 90% of a town that is basically the frontline since 2014?
>If the Russians were this messed up how have they been advancing and seizing territory for most of the war?
Have they? Russia took a bunch of territory when it had the element of surprise at the start of the war, then lost a shitload of it about six months later. Since then their advances are measured in meters.
I saw the dupe thread first, so I'll say the same thing here.
What you are witnessing is vrayno. Progorzhin lied about leaving Baxmut, he lied about not being supplied with ammo, he lied about who abandoned what post, and he will lie in response to this.
Its all lies all the way down. this is vrayno in real time. even this response is filled with lies.
It's crazy how much vranyo affects this entire war. And they just won't stop
>so many posters start to defend Fagner and accusing army of lying
Not saying army is not lying but interesting how there's sizeable number of paid shi...I mean posters that constantly defend Wagner
Missing tattoo.
Accept no substitutes.
>AI
>drawing the windmill of friendship and tolerance
Get better AI or a human to do it then.
Russia would never have their equivalent of Eisenhower aren't they
Of course not. Because Russian!Eisenhower would actually have a modicum of competence and would be a threat to the Tzar
Hey guys, I just woke up. Can somebody please give me a rundown on what the fuck is happening in Bakhmut? I woke up at like 2 PM today and have no clue what's going on. All I know is there's been some kind of ukrainian breakthrough in bakhmut and that it involves Wagner and the 72nd somehow.
>What do we know?
and
>How do we know it?
Any info appreciated
Ukies gained back 9-12 sq km because either Russian grunts ran away like babies or Wagner grunts ran away like babies
>>What do we know?
Today at Bakhmut Russian 72nd brigade flank got buttfucked by Azov and they had to retear. Giving up around 9 swuare kilometers of the territory.
>>How do we Know it?
From head honcho o of Wagner itself. He posted a video were he comppaains that Army are so incompetent that had to run away from Ukiesn letting them recapute area that Wagner spend weeks taking and it cost them 500 men to do it.
>>What do we know?
Ukraine managed to clear Russian bridgehead over river south of Bakhmut guarded by 72nd brigade, only 3 km2 but 60 confirmed killed Russians, 80 more possible Kia and 5 PoWs, to establish that bridghead Wagner had 500 KIA
>How do we know it?
Azov posted short 2 minute video that proved that information to be true. Prigogine made a seething rant about it, now more people from Russian side started explaining what happened
Is there a thtead that discussed this breakthrough in particular? I had no idea it happened until stepping in here.
mods deleted every thread about it
Honestly I can see why some people would think that all these tales of russian incompetence are uke propaganda.
I don't believe any of the Russians and don't consider any side as telling the truth
The only truth in interested is total zigger death
>Government tells lies
>Mass media tells lies
OP are you surprised?
Propaganda is the standard for war.
I would take everything you read about the war online with a grain of salt.
They have even used Arma 3 footage as official "war footage" on social media, and people actually believed it.
turns out mixing regular army and private funded militias isn't going to work out
Where does Prigiozhin get the money from to pay them?
he is a multi billionaire. He owns petrol companies and so on
I doubt he would pay his own money.
I mean he might
>Ivan, I will pay you next week
>Ivan gets blown up by a drone
>Ivan no longer needs paying
He's a businessman
Started as a restaurant owner, became buddies with Putin and started providing catering for Kremlin. Later also started providing food for schools, prisons, military and probably expanded and diversified from there
So he's basically Jim Biden if his brother Joe needed a private army
Wagner is still big in Africa, and provides "protection" to thing like gold mines.
The real thing with Prighozin is that he's a major Russian Mafia boss who started his career in organized crime in the 1980s and early 1990s, was close to Putin's gang, and used that position to make more and more money, illegally, of course. For example his catering business, which is a oligarchy, is notoriously low quality yet he gets big contracts, always.
At some point he became very connected to the FSB, setting up clandestine operations for them like internet shill farms like the IRA and then setting up Wagner, which is just the FSB's and Russian Mafia's private army, which answers just to them and not the actual military, hence the fighting with the Ministry of Defense.
Mercenary groups are also highly illegal in Russia too, so Wagner itself is a big criminal racket, with them being involved in basically looting the countries they work in Africa of things like gold and silver. Plus some other more convenient illegal jobs, like hits and murders, the usual. Of course like every Mafia business, a big cut gets moved up the chain till it reaches the big boss of bosses himself, Putin.
Of course, western "analysts" and other such dorks never factor in the Mafia and organized crime into their "analysis" of Putin and Russia, despite everybody relevant politically in Russia either being in the Mafia or being associated to it in some way but they never factor that into anything anywhere. Bunch of stupid nerds.
>Of course, western "analysts" and other such dorks never factor in the Mafia and organized crime into their "analysis" of Putin and Russia, despite everybody relevant politically in Russia either being in the Mafia or being associated to it in some way but they never factor that into anything anywhere. Bunch of stupid nerds.
Go look up the Cali cartel and see who was connected and which international donors ran from it when it went down.
Slava Puccyia
Ah yes, the truly mystical thing about Russian existence can be boiled down to one thing. The endless search for a better poop trap.
Update from Prigotzhin himself, mainly bitching about ammo and talking about how the flanks are fucked 1/2.
>6
I will laugh my ass off if Wagner gets micro-Operation Uranus'd
>Ur Anus
man its always butt stuff with slavs isnt it.
>1. Bakhmut has no strategic importance
Wtf I was told for month on end the city is key to destroying the Ukrowehrmacht
2/2
There is no panic, in Bakhmut there were only Wagner.
Wouldn't be shocked if they simply don't have the ammo to give to Wagner. Or they just want Wagner to fail even harder.
But also possibly Wagner is just lying in hopes that they get more and to have excuses for their slow progress.
All of these are not good signs for Russias fortune.
Seems like Prigo is interested in finding who is to blame for the collapse of the Bakhmut front before it even happens
if only he knew someone who repeatedly threw Wagner's manpower and materiel into fortified enemy positions, he could blame him
Wagner's leader is an idiot dependent on "Muh Human Waves" instead of any technical skill.
>who is to blame for the collapse of the Bakhmut front
maybe someone who wasted 500 KIA Wagnerites for 3 km2 on outskirts of Bakhmut?