So now that trench warfare has been shown to be here to stay and not just a relic of the past, what's the best way to go about prepping for it? Is there gear you need beyond just a shovel? How should you go about training for it? Is there any effective way to do force on force in environments on a scale for trench warfare to be relevant?
This shit reminds me of the mythbusters episode where they tested the German autism about squaring trench walls angles and having a dogleg every 10 or so feet.
I never see either side do that in drone videos.
>This shit reminds me of the mythbusters episode where they tested the German autism about squaring trench walls angles and having a dogleg every 10 or so feet.
germans are an unmatched kind of autism, when they go to the beach they dont enjoy the sun or the water they get to work digging fucking holes.
I don't know a man alive who wouldn't like a wet hole to plunge into
Its the sandbags you gotta look out for
I do that. good exercise
t. Australian
>childhood beach holiday memories.bat
Admittedly I was less about trenches and more just digging a fucking deep hole (and then covering it with thin sticks, seaweed and a thin layer of sand). As I got better my dad eventually forced me to collapse the walls before we left. Ah, simpler times.
Same, but I would also build elaborate sandcastles with sharpened sticks buried in the sand so that people wouldn't kick them
were the sticks visible? or sunk into the walls of your castle as a fuck around & find out lesson?
Peak of basedness, now I understand why Romans never made it through Germany.
You laugh now, but how much will you be laughing when you get hit by a surprise, combined arms, amphibious assault while you're on vacation? The Germans know that feeling all too much...
>they go to the beach they dont enjoy the sun or the water they get to work digging fucking holes.
I feel personally attacked.
.t burger
You must be from a flyover state and didn't grow up near a beach, anon. Digging big fucking holes when you get bored is a time honored coastal tradition, but if you don't have constant access to the beach and it has novelty to you, I can see why you never tried it.
I've seen both sides use french style zig-zagging trenches though
>German autism about squaring trench walls angles and having a dogleg every 10 or so feet.
There's literally nothing wrong with zig-zagging a trench to improve survivability
but the germans had arguably best trenches of the war
Make a fake trench with a dummy in it so the drones all drop their mortars there.
Just stay in the dugout
what's a duckboard
Thing for standing on made by nailing slats of wood together, like a picket fence. Important to avoid trenchfoot.
wait... why dont they put these over trenches now to avoid grenades?? or at least a thick net or something. when its time to shoot just move it aside
many of the trenches today look totally improvised compared to that of ww1. maybe the lines move too quickly?
Russians are just shortcut artists.
>soviet pineapple gets caught in net
>now a 70-y-o rusty piece of shit becomes a sophisticated airburst munition
genius
Grenades exploding by your feet > grenades exploding by your head
No thanks, munitions are going to go off at head level with more shrapnel, you lose a lot of visibility, you can't get out or maneuver as easily if you need to get the fuck out, and why waste the time if your lines will shift later that day anyways?
If you even end up in a trench carrying a weapon chances are your going to die in it!
Spark gap generator.
Jammers soon
Do what the Florida Man does: hearing aids/listening cones and a bird hunting shotgun. How else will the Florida Man get his free packages from the Amazon drones flying over his house?
Only works because russia can't do combined arms and ukraine doesn't have armor to push foward
>it only works because yet another situation where neither side can push through or maneuver has arisen
I think it's time that we stop considering this to be some odd one off that won't happen again.
Idk anon. Considering advances in information gathering, precision strikes, ordinance, optics, electronics, and all that stuff, it's hard to see trenches being viable long-term defensive positions. Works fine vs not-so-advanced militaries but that means fighting has devolved to the point its mostly small arms.
Except we already saw what happened when people tried to build trenches against a competent army when the US literally buried Iraqis in said trenches with a bulldozer because the anti-tank weapon squads couldn't show their faces without dying. Against a modern foe, a trench gives up like half the survivability onion by making it very clear where you are and ensuring that you're not moving. Trenches are obsolete against anyone who has a PGM and the way to deliver it, much less some of the really fun stuff like airburst 30mm that the US is developing. The only way trenches are actually relevant in an actual modern war is with effective camo procedures to establish recon points that are hard to detect.
>but trenches didn't work during a massively one sided curb stomping of a war, where Iraq was going to lose no matter what
You see what a drone and a little grenade does to people in a trench. Now imagine precise air strikes, or artillery or missiles. Trenches are graves in any conflict where modern machines and weapons are being used against it with no worry about cost.
If Medvedev had been able to maintain power and wage a low key civil war against all the fucking rot, this conflict WOULD have been a curbstomp war.
Oh well.
>implying that any war the US is involved in won't be a massively one sided curb stomp
>Implicatus any war Rome is involved in won't be a massively one sided curb stomp
thirdies literally can't even conceive of the USAF, it's like trying to teach a parakeet calculus.
The Iraqi army at the time was fucking massive, had just won an offensive war against its neighbour (lol russia) and had some 1 million troops. Regardless of the end result, thinking they weren't competent (for turd worlders) is stupid
>Iraq won against Iran
no, but they did kick kuwaits ass and occupy them for 7 months, are you being retarded on purpose?
>but they did kick kuwaits ass
Who deployed against Iraq like single brigade? Yeah this is the power of 3rd Army in the world lol. Quite downgrade from the Iran conquest. (Very similar to Russia lol). Finally found themselves proper enemy.
>kuwait only deployed a single brigade
Underagefags like you should just fuck off and swallow a load of buckshot from your dad's 12 gauge.
You forgot to mention that Iraq was also literally 20 years ago.
i have a large field and an large excavator. Was thinking about digging a long trench network and using it for a trench raiding simulator, all i lack is motivation
see if you can rent out the field for paintball and airsoft
Do you think my local airsoft field will let me dig a trench network for them? I don't even give a fuck about airshit, just wanna dig a hole
>airsoft
>paintball
Get some marker rounds and join a militia, you can train with real guns for a real conflict
I JUST finished saying I don't give a shit about airshit or paintball. I just want to dig a hole my bro.
do it just don't be a retard and get entombed and killed
kino
>Is there gear you need beyond just a shovel?
On an individual level: wellingtons plus spare pair, spare pair of combat boots, fuckton of socks and thermal underwear, spare uniforms or at least pants, goretex biviy and rain gear, good sleeping bag with waterproof cover to store it, stove to cook your rations that uses freely available fuel (most likely vehicle fuel, maybe wood if youre near forest) with repair kit, sewing kit, shoemakers draw and needles, glue and tape to repair boots and gear, baby powder, permethrin, waterproof bag to store your shit.
>spare pair of wellies AND combat boots
Overkill. I'd rather have a pair of crocs for downtime and save on weight and bulk.
Baby powder is good for chaffing in general but you'll also want food powder. For your feet. Also antifungal and antibiotic cream or powder for your taint. Fuck crotch rot.
>and save on weight and bulk
nta but we're talking trench warfare here with relatively static lines. You can throw extra stuff in your dugout. If you have to run you just leave it and that's how it goes but I'd 100% want the extra on hand in case you end up being there for months instead and the "temporary" position ends up being anything but.
If it's a small dugout then it's a temporary position by definition. You're gonna be there a month at most. Two would be really pushing it.
If it's a bigger network then your spare shit will get nicked.
>If it's a small dugout then it's a temporary position by definition. You're gonna be there a month at most. Two would be really pushing it.
lol? Have you been watching the last 6 months IRL? There are lots of positions that were assumed to be temporary and yet there they still are.
>If it's a bigger network then your spare shit will get nicked.
Sorry anon I'm not Russian.
>Is there any effective way to do force on force in environments on a scale for trench warfare to be relevant?
Those First Strike paintballs might work well for this. From what I've heard, it sounds like they're effective at even longer ranges than simmunitions.
Thanks for summing up what I was about to post in one image
>attaches fish hooks to grenade
>grenade catches on cover
>all conscriptovichs in a 30 ft radius eat a fistful of shrapnel
Fixed your trench for historical accuracy.
Glorious.
One bullet to fucking kill myself if the alternative is being tangled up in trench warfare
>if the alternative is being tangled up in trench warfare
lmao could be worse, you could be one of the russians being told to advance on the trenches till in contact with the enemy then start digging a fucking trench in sight of the enemy positions
Saddam?
>trench warfare
any good book recommendations on the subject?
>basic trench and pit
You lack ambition, the grub trooper knows the possibilities of unconventional warfare, and now he is equipped with powered digging equipment
>Meet commander in conference chamber
>Report new rifle/ammo from fresh spike pit body
>Receive orders to man the tunnel entrance
>Crawl to storage for box mag AR machine gun
>Get some water and bologna sandwich from kitchen
>Settle in for 4 hour watch on tunnel entrance
>Blast tunnel raiders with digital NVG
Now that's just a good time
>ventilation shaft, facing east
Any particular reason? Is that ubiquitous advice or specific to the geography/ conflict in Vietnam?
Keeps ants out
How?
Trench warfare only happens when neither side as a functional air force and shit loads of modern SAMs. IE when two former Soviet armies fight each other.
Trenches and fixed positions are deathtraps when one side is able to get some kind of airial bombardment in.
>what's the best way to go about prepping for it?
One of the best things to do would be to learn the structure of the simplest forms of fighting positions. There are requirements that in turn make them safe to use, like forward cover, flank/rear cover, top cover etc.
There's also instructions how you update it over time, adding more to it in certain order.
I saw an ukrainian digging a dug out in a trench with a pickaxe, and his mate said:
”hey, it’s like minecraft”
”Yeah, minecraft... I’m not finding any diamonds!”
I couldn’t find the video again, sorry 🙁