Prepper/Innawoods Thread

Let's discuss gear and supplies for the apocalypse.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I got my smoke detectors & fire extinguisheers installed.
    Stockpiled food worth around 1k and got about 400l of water storage.
    Currently got about 750rnds 9mm and 900rnds .223 Rem.
    Still lacking some mediacal equipment.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I got my smoke detectors & fire extinguisheers installed.
      Actually based. I'm paying off my health insurance for the next year this month.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In before the two leftist fags prowling the board show up and samefag to look like a larger group, ranting about this being a delusional fantasy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Really? Why are leftists so obsessed with strawman arguments and fake peer pressure?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because they're pathetic, toxic, immature, over-grown children that see other people having good things in life and have a feel the need to ruin it so everyone is just as miserable as they are. Also they didn't grow up with a strong father figure to guide them so they think they can do no wrong, they didn't have that person to tell them "no" whenever some inane backwards fuckery pops up in their vacant, vapid minds.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's how they became leftists. Hose tactics worked on them, so they figure it will work on anons. I've heard the occaisional "why I'm not a lefty anymore" clips, for whatever they're worth, but I don't see any "why I'm now a lefty" clips.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most preppers and gun nuts I know are leftists, retard. They're just as scared of the government and SHTF as you, they just don't publicly larp about it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This
        All I want is some better public services and slightly stricter background checks
        Doesn't mean I don't like being prepared for anything. I don't really think anything super bad is going to happen, but camping is fun and larping that I'm the lasp man on earth alone in the middle of the frozen wilderness with a gun is a good way to get away from the computer

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >prepper
        >gun nuts
        >leftists

        Right

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >In before the two leftist fags prowling the board show up and samefag to look like a larger group, ranting about this being a delusional fantasy.
      I'm a "leftist" by current American standards though not a proggie. I do think it's obvious that some of the prepper spectrum goes into larp fantasy, egged on by companies that stand to make lots of money from it same as anything else in our economy. The most obvious tell for actual fantasy delusion is when it becomes clear somebody is thinking of it as a video game where they will be running around as an elite loner who can do whatever they want or some shit with zero friends/family/community, whereas in reality even in the worst cases it'd be the opposite mostly with people shrinking into tighter groups and armed loner weirdos being viewed with huge suHispanicion.

      That doesn't mean though that there aren't lots of realistic disasters that are well worth doing some prepping as available. We're seeing actual realistic scenarios play out right now for Europeans, no societal collapse but definitely serious problems with central dependencies. Having a wood stove and some land, guns of course, your own well, some level of power generation, enough food to last at least a month, basic medical and so on is completely reasonable.

      But a lot of this is also utterly dependent on where someone lives. Cityfags in tiny apartments have to think and plan differently then those of us who live in rural areas with our own houses and land obviously.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No gun no opinion, fag.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Apart from the usual PrepHole stuff:
    Multiple years supply of dry high quality firewood
    Ability to heat the house with said wood
    Ability to cook with said wood
    Ability to do laundry with said wood
    5000L storage for rainwater, expanding to 12000L and adding purifying capability
    All tools including farming equipment that need neither electricity nor gas
    Seedbank
    Adding photovoltaic system mainly for heating water.
    Planted multiple fruit trees, lacking nuts at this time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >High-quality firewood.
      Lmao, I imagined brand-name firewood.
      But seriously, other than some trees being better for burning than others. Would could constitute "High-quality firewood" other than it's dry. Genuinely question here.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All beech, no fungus.
        Different types of wood have specific characteristics when burning them. Like speed, the amount of heat generated per unit of weight/volume etc. Also, trees might be infected by different fungi which changes the properties again.
        If you have to heat your house and prep your meals using firewood for extended periods of time, the type of wood you are using plays an important role. For example if you have a tiled stove, using cornifers might actually break your firebricks. Another example would be oak. It’s great for overnight heating because it burns rather slow, but it’s totally useless for regular cooking.
        Another issue would be storage. If you are using something like birch wood, you will need substantially more storage capacity to last the same amount of time.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wood that's dense, burns well, has no mold/rot, is as dry as possible, and is kept in good conditions (so it doesn't rot in the future). Also wood that still resembles wood, not those compressed sawdust briquettes or whatever the fuck they're called.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In a shtf you should probaby set up multiple locations and start being more Nomadic. Forming a tribe would help immensely.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So on my main rifle (308) I have a 3.5-10x50 scope, and it has irons should anything happen to the scope. Felt that was a flexible magnification set. Thoughts?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Someone post the amogus comic

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Shoot animal
    >Eat animal
    >Repeat a few times
    >Why are my ears ringing
    >Why didn't I hear the group of raiders
    >I am sex slave now
    Guess what item I'm talking about

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Penis soap?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Has anyone here experimented going full lightweight solar for electronic devices? I figure standardizing on AAs or other rechargeable primary cells that can readily be swapped between power efficient electronic devices would be an extremely effective solution in an extended grid down scenario. My Game Boy Advance with a flash cartridge loaded with every game made for the GBA plus emulators for older systems for example gets a bit over 12 hours of run time off a pair of AA batteries (which hold about 4.5 watt hours of juice, compared to the 10-20 watt hours a modern smartphone battery has). With older higher contrast original Game Boy games, it can even be quite playable at night with just a small lantern set to a .7 lumen red night vision mode on a table close by.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Apart from the usual PrepHole stuff:
      Multiple years supply of dry high quality firewood
      Ability to heat the house with said wood
      Ability to cook with said wood
      Ability to do laundry with said wood
      5000L storage for rainwater, expanding to 12000L and adding purifying capability
      All tools including farming equipment that need neither electricity nor gas
      Seedbank
      Adding photovoltaic system mainly for heating water.
      Planted multiple fruit trees, lacking nuts at this time.

      I got my smoke detectors & fire extinguisheers installed.
      Stockpiled food worth around 1k and got about 400l of water storage.
      Currently got about 750rnds 9mm and 900rnds .223 Rem.
      Still lacking some mediacal equipment.

      how do you guys get/stay motivated enough to put this all into motion & constantly maintain it. I'm a 20yo college student in a shit apartment in a shithole city but I want to fuck off to a small town once I get my degree and start on this stuff

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they don't, this is PrepHole and most people are LARPing as preppers from mom's basement

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hey don't call me out like that. I'd be larping from my own basement if I had made better choices along my path through life. As it is, an apocalypse might be the best thing for me.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My idea of what's worth preparing for is times of hardship where basic human needs are there but luxuries beyond that might not be, ie what real life societal collapse looks like. I'm really not concerned with homesteading and the like for basic survival, and instead concern myself with being less dependent on other people when it comes to enjoying life. When the topic of civil war or states seceding comes up, I'm more concerned with continuing to enjoy shooting after the commercial availability of ammunition is completely fucked rather than getting in gunfights or dying for whatever cause is being pushed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well first of all make sure you'll have some decent way of making money. It's not going to be worth moving out into the sticks if you'll be working at the dollar general. Granted if you can get a decent job somewhere go for it. But don't be afraid to live in a city for a few years to get your career started and get some real experience. You're probably not going to get a permanent WFH job right out of college.

        Just don't blow your land purchasing load too early. Just focus on your basic 3-day prep while you're in the city. For example I was in a shoe box apartment during the 2021 winter storm in Texas and my few gallon water supply and old army cold weather gear got me through it no problem. Even quite enjoyed it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Also if you have a balconey facing (preferably facing east) you can cut your teeth gardening, just growing some herbs and stuff. It's what I did. Use it with your cooking or get into schizo tier alchemy and what not.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is all a trade off and you have a good chance of sliding into paranoia territory if you are not careful.
        You should always apply the economic principle to find out which actions make sense.
        I live in the countryside and started building my wood stash just because it is cheaper than oil most of the time and it’s a hedge against energy price fluctuations. Turns out it was a pretty good investment (I live in Central Europe). Same goes for the water supply. My rationale was that in light of climate change and a strong possibility that the price of water increases/there will be rationing in future summers I should build a supply. It’s not about the end of the world and some zombie alien nazi communist invasion but rather plausible scenarios for the future.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This man speaks sense.

          One of the big questions you should ask yourself when it comes to any sort of prep "will this be a waste of money if S never HTF and, if so, is it worth it regardless?"
          For example, I've got a lot of rice and pasta in my pantry since I know I'll eat it eventually. Buying in bulk and rotating through the supply helps me keep several months of food in the house without costing anything other than storage space (hell, it saves money since it means I'm buying most of my food in bulk or when it's on sale). Of course, not everything is useful in both emergency/non-emergency setting - a fire extinguisher is a complete waste of money if my house never catches fire but I'd say it's worth having one just in case.

          >I ... started building my wood stash just because it is cheaper than oil most of the time and it’s a hedge against energy price fluctuations
          Also this. There's a lot of space between 'business as usual' and 'Mad Max larp fantasy'. Rising power prices, increasingly frequent blackouts (whether from inadequate supply or simply shit like storm damage taking longer to be repaired) or power only being available at certain times of day are entirely possible.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Great point. Obviously genuine rich people can do whatever the fuck they want, but for the rest of us it's important to figure out how to get a lot of extra bang for the buck. In many cases there is stuff that is good essentially forever that we're simply not in the habit of bulk buying and then having on rotation. Lots of people don't even buy bulk at all, but for those that do a common pattern is yes they buy bulk, but then they let it run down to zero and then buy bulk again, vs as you say continuously FIFO'ing it. Or I know people who actually built their own new houses, but cheaped out on the basement. Yes a basement adds another $10-40k but on like a $500k+ building that's really really really well worth it. A nice basement, tons of bulk storage with free temperature control (underground stays way more constant), is a ginormous value add that can pay for itself just in bulk purchase savings. It's also a place you can have a big ass chest freezer and vacuum packer, which are also magic for saving money.

            Higher ticket fancier stuff is available now as well. I got a couple of power walls and some solar/micro wind for example vs a generator. The useful thing about them is as well as regular brownout/blackout protection and being maintenance free they help pay for themselves in multiple ways in normal use. Obviously excess power can be sold back to the grid. But even the batteries generate money, because one can pay the cheapest night rates during the day, or in some places power companies will flat out pay you money for the use of some percentage of your battery capacity for grid stabilization.

            But yeah, figure out stuff that can be part of your day to day life AND be useful in a bad situation as much as possible. And as you say too don't skimp on cheap unexciting things like fire extinguishers and smoke/CO2 alarms. I knew a guy from the range with like 5-6 figures worth of guns/ammo for "SHTF" and all his fucking smoke alarms were broken!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That is exactly what I was hinting at when talking about the application of the economic principle. I would argue for using it for risk evaluation aswell. The odds of full mad max dystopia are practically zero, just look at documented human history. Sinking a considerable amount of resources into something like that is not advisable.

              Keeping stock is a very good point. Most people in modern consumerist societies don't, even though it is th eone thing, that makes civilization at all possible. To be fair, if you are living in a one bedroom apartment, keeping stock of anything is a major challenge. For anybody living in a house, it should be a no-brainer. Buying in bulk and tracking your consumption is not only financially sound, it also forces you to plan ahead, which in turn reduces the amount of wasted funds. A nice sideeffect is that you can start buying anticyclical, which again saves you money.

              I would like to point out that the human element is the most important, though. Getting to know and building rapport with people is the most important piece of the puzzle. I for example do not need an alarm in my house because I am on good terms with all the elderly people in the neighbourhood. They know when I am gone, so if anything unusual happens they will investigate. Just by walking the dog and talking to people I gained access to cheap wood supply less than 2 miles from my house. If you are the crazy guy polishing his rifle all day and sneaking through the woods in camo scaring jogging Karens, you are putting yourself at a major disadvantage.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >That is exactly what I was hinting at when talking about the application of the economic principle. I would argue for using it for risk evaluation aswell.
                One of the basic principles of risk analysis is to assess potential threats based on both the probability of the risk occurring and the severity or impact if it does. For prepping I then look at the cost-effectiveness of prepping for it - how much do I need to spend to make a worthwhile impact on either the probability or severity of the threat, are the preps multi-use or are they highly specific to one potential disaster and will the preps be wasted money if the threat doesn't eventuate?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If you are the crazy guy polishing his rifle all day and sneaking through the woods in camo scaring jogging Karens, you are putting yourself at a major disadvantage.
                Hell, an outright negative. Like, the flipside of "everyone looks out for each other" isn't "neutrality" but can go to "actively ignoring" or even undermining. If your neighbors really wish you were gone and notice someone breaking in, they could just plain pretend they never saw it.

                To me that's probably one of the major differences between what I'd consider real legitimate preppers and larpers. Even the "crazy" militia types or religious or whatever generally at least still have fellow travelers. It's a social business, whatever the business is. But larpers imagine they're the "main character" of a game and everyone else are "npcs" and they can just ignore all that icky social interaction stuff because you're not even their real dad you can't tell them what to do. Hence the mad max fantasies, oh boy lone wolf will get all the pussy which they've never touched!

                As you say though looking IRL in real old civilizations or collapses instead social links matter more not less because there isn't the intermediation of law/government. Like if you want a loan or to borrow stuff that only happens if you know someone who can give you a reference. Villages are suHispanicious of outsiders by default. It's bad for socially maladjusted loners not good.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Obviously excess power can be sold back to the grid. But even the batteries generate money, because one can pay the cheapest night rates during the day
              I just want to inb4 one talking point I get a lot from boomers, which is that solar is a worse investment compared to other investments like stonks and pm. Those calculations are based on the assumption of electricity being as cheap and reliable as it is today.

              Granted this isn't something committed peppers will use, but is something you'll hear from boomer parents and such who just kind of flirt with prepped ideas.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Those calculations are based on the assumption of electricity being as cheap and reliable as it is today.
                Or for that matter that stocks/bonds will be as reliable. I still work to add a bit to my IRA on such each year too, but at the same time all real investment advice is that some diversification doesn't hurt. And stocks/bonds aren't something one generally wants to (or always can) liquidate on a dime and keep themselves alive with in an emergency. Everyone should be able to go at least a few weeks. If nothing else, an emergency is the most expensive worst time to be taking measures sure if you pay through the nose might be able to make something happen but you're by definition in a bidding war vs everyone else during a shortage. Big premium on that. Boomers got to live through a pretty stable period. Maybe that'll continue, but maybe not. At any rate compared to generators at least renewables+battery have SOME inherent ROI, not pure cost.

                No gun no opinion, fag.

                >No gun no opinion, fag.
                How did you get noguns from that? I have a handgun and 3x rifles anon, I'm rural not city. My nearest neighbor is like a 1/2 mile away, towns around here range in population from big ones of a few thousand down to one next door with a total population last I checked of 56 (it'll be at least 59 now since I know of 4 births but one sad untimely death in an accident).

                But I'm still on good terms with all my neighbors and go to town meeting and generally try to participate and be involved to some extent despite being naturally introverted. I open my land to any and all hunters (so long as they promise to be careful of my animals), try to host at least one neighborhood party at my sugarhouse each year etc. And also try to be sensitive to there being a range of means everyone has, since I'm making a good $60k/year that puts me more in the upper range. I think that an important part of disaster prep to, for a community to be strong together.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >or power only being available at certain times of day are entirely possible.
            A light taste of that here in California, since there's so much strain on the grid during insane heat waves like these.
            It's what drew me to this thread because as much as I like the Mediterranean climate down here I have an acute desire to fuck off alone into the woods for a bit somewhere where it snows. Just to see what it's like to set up camp where everything is cold and still and silent, it sounds like heaven and it'd give me personal time for my hobbies

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm also a 20 year old college student. I'm by no means set on my own, but I prep with my dad which helps, and I have a handful of likeminded friends. Just work on getting a solid job after college and kinda prep as a hobby. Once you get a full time job try to move back with your parents and just save for as long as you can, while prepping.

        Thats my plan at least

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Very based getting a family member in on it so you don't have to do it solo while you're young. Just help him out and have some sort of plan to get back to him in some situation in which the roads are clogged from people fleeing or stay plugged into the local news so you can at least be an early bird.

          It all starts with general interest in the subject. You find it interesting so you read up on it.
          If you can't maintain it then start small with things that you don't have to maintain. Knives, rope, and other survival gear don't need to be kept fresh. Have one backpack of stuff, not an entire basement. Even if you aren't motivated enough to keep food having any kind of gear and knowledge will put you ahead of most everyone else.
          You don't have to go all the way, even though it's definitely good to do so. Even small shit like reading how to make a fire but never practicing it is better than not knowing how to do it at all. Should you practice how to build a fire? Of course, to not do so is retarded. But if all you can find the motivation to do is read up on stuff and order things from Bezosland then do that. I wouldn't want to rely on you but if I was forced to choose between you who knew some stuff and had some stuff and some normie who knew and had nothing I'd take you. Anything is better than nothing.

          Also very good advice. You can practice a lot of relevant skills camping, fishing, etc even while living in a shoebox apartment.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            funny thing is that I have way more disposable income than I do now, so I'm the one buying gear and shit. He might have the guns and ammo but I got the armor and food

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          College is a great time to work on skills. You might not have the space to store 6 months of rice and beans but you have more free time and better access to learning opportunities than most anyone working full-time.
          >Don't just spend evenings partying (or worse, on PrepHole) - pursue a bunch of hobbies that are both enjoyable and useful
          >Pick up a foreign language minor
          >See if you can get college credit for EMT or trade classes - even if you've no intention of pursuing them as a career, knowing how to fix a car or save a life is pretty fucking worthwhile whether shtf or not
          >Join your college outdoor club and learn some bushcraft/land nav
          Most of all, try to meet like-minded people. I met my wife and pretty much everyone I'd trust to have my back in a disaster while I was studying.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >College is a great time to work on skills.
            If you're not taking a professional degree enjoy debt!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Tfw my father-in-law paid off all my college/med school debt the week after I married

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I hope you sucked his cock for it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                TFW you live in commie EU, where College is paid for by society.
                But great news for you, Anon!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I got one of my degrees by just asking the profession in charge of the course if I could attend this schools lecturers in between doing an engineering degree. He said yes but that I could not expect essays or exams marked unless someone dropped out. Someone dropped out. He gave me an ordinary degree by merit after three years and I got an honours in an engineering discipline that was paid for me by a company I was working for during the summer months. Most people who go to universities used sit around becoming drug addicts. That is the truth. Also 30 years ago they used fail 50% in the first year. I went back and did a masters both the arts and one in technology decades later again in a prestige university again paid for by someone else because of where I was working. Both were for me no where near the standard that undergraduate students once had. The standard of written English by foreign students participating in both was appalling, as was the basic standards in math and statistics. Another change was that instead of everything being individual merit there were now these ludicrous 'group' projects where slackers got the same marks as everyone else. It is really sad what has happened to academic standards. On paper I am the absolute top rung, I could do a Phd any day I want in any university but the fact is I understand I would have been considered a moron in the 1950s. As a species our intelligence is shrinking at an alarming rate.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Also 30 years ago they used fail 50% in the first year.
                Totally depends on your field of studies. I started my economics degree 15 years ago. Out of the ~50 people I started with, 30 were gone after year two.

                > The standard of written English by foreign students participating in both was appalling, as was the basic standards in math and statistics.
                That is a problem in society at large. Everybody has to be a winner, so the distribution of grades gets scewed. There was a pedagogic movement in Germany for the better parts of two decades, where elementary students were not forced to write correctly but rather could write as they pleased. Everybody with a basic knowledge of how conditioning works could have told you that that was a really dumb idea. still they went ahead with it leading to generations of students not being able to write properly.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >College is a great time to work on skills.
                If you're not taking a professional degree enjoy debt!

                I have four degrees two at masters level, one distinction and two undergraduate, one 1st and one ordinary. I have them in both the arts and technology. None of them ever helped me earn much, maybe one helped open a door for an interview once. None of them cost me anything. The standard of education has fallen off a cliff in the last 35 years. What was once a pass is now a distinction, what was once mediocre is now exceptional. people like you with no learning are as much of a cancer as those who read a few books and think they have the only voice in the room. It's an obligation for every man to educate himself. We have thousands of years of philosophy, theology, metallurgy, mathematics, economics, statistics, materials science, physics, chemistry, engineering, analysis, logic, rhetoric, languages, history, astronomy etc. I'm no time for proud uneducated. If you are a lazy idiot keep it to yourself.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No gun no opinion.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh I have lots of guns. Probably too many in fact. I even worked in the arms business for a while.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It all starts with general interest in the subject. You find it interesting so you read up on it.
        If you can't maintain it then start small with things that you don't have to maintain. Knives, rope, and other survival gear don't need to be kept fresh. Have one backpack of stuff, not an entire basement. Even if you aren't motivated enough to keep food having any kind of gear and knowledge will put you ahead of most everyone else.
        You don't have to go all the way, even though it's definitely good to do so. Even small shit like reading how to make a fire but never practicing it is better than not knowing how to do it at all. Should you practice how to build a fire? Of course, to not do so is retarded. But if all you can find the motivation to do is read up on stuff and order things from Bezosland then do that. I wouldn't want to rely on you but if I was forced to choose between you who knew some stuff and had some stuff and some normie who knew and had nothing I'd take you. Anything is better than nothing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        prepping is just another kind of larping. It's a fun hobby and some people spend way more on it than they should. But please don't take it seriously.

        The only ones who are reasonably going to survive ThE hApPeNiNg are people like the Amish: communities that know how to live and thrive in low-tech environments... (Except they won't because they're going to get raided 2-3 weeks later and they're pacifists)

        Groups can survive indefinitely, individuals can survive until they twist their ankle while walking in the woods and night is falling and the wolves are getting closer.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I dunno. I didn't grow up in an Amish community, but it was pretty rural and it was before universal internet access (my hometown still does not have "high speed internet" and many people are on dial up if they are not long distance to an ISP or on satellite if they have a bit more money) and I remember people quitting their job during deer season to do nothing but hunt, process, and sell venison. I suspect those sorts of areas will do alright in the event of a global shut down of some sort. There's small-scale farming and a lot of hunting. That was a number of years ago, however, and minorities have moved in so the population is no longer homogeneous.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        As someone who was you I highly suggest just trying as hard as you can to graduate early. Beyond 3 days of food and water and a handgun don't waste time/money on this, you're never going to feel secure/prepared in your apartment so just focus on getting out

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, if you're in an apartment the plan should be bug out, not bug in. Decent travel kit/pack, plans to escape the city, plans on where to go in an actual emergency, preferably with a few locations and at least one a real distance away (min few hundred miles). Family? Friends? Probably can't afford a second property yet, though it's surprising how cheap one can get random empty western land say, something you can have a simple well, platform and supplies stored at then put up a nice tent. In most states that can be done so it won't count as a "structure" so property taxes will be effectively zilch as it's just "wilderness" from a state perspective.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What sort of scenario do you foresee where going to live in a tent in an empty field is a useful response?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >What sort of scenario do you foresee where going to live in a tent in an empty field is a useful response?
              I merely put it out as an example of a final fallback. I've done month long outdoors trips alone by myself or with a few friends in northern US and remote Canada anon, it's not bad. And here it'd be genuinely nice. You'd be setting up a big, spacious fancy "tent" (these can get massively more luxury than you're probably imagining), far more than one could carry, and you could have a well, solar/battery, etc. You're driving to your own place. But because it's a "temporary movable structure" in many states that doesn't count as a building at all. So you're only paying property tax on raw land. I actually own some empty land in another state myself that I successfully got zoned as "agriculture" (somebody collects some hay once in a while) and I pay $100/year in total taxes on a few dozen acres.

              If you have friends/family to go to instead, do that. Or if you can afford to just stay at hotels, or have an entire second house (even if it's a cheap shack) or whatever obviously lots of options. I was just saying even someone just beginning a career, totally alone, and living in a cheap city apartment can potentially make bug out plans beyond hoping for charity earlier than they might think. But teaming up with others is still the best.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not him, but realistically.
              >you need to bug out due to some natural or man made disaster, which in the real world are the most likely of SHTF scenarios you might encounter
              >you don't have someone else you can stay by for whatever reason, hotels are expensive, and you don't feel like getting gang raped to sleep every night at the Superdome while Chris Kyle jerks off, so you camp until you can get settled somewhere like families who end up homeless will do

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Exactly, just an even cheaper version of "have a shack in the woods with minimums of a bit of power, a well and at least composting toilet if not normal one, and a nice wood stove". Somewhere within 2-3 days drive, which can actually get you pretty damn far if you're determined (and you can easily have an extra 10-30 gallons of gas in 5gal containers so if you keep your tank topped up you can go 800-1400+ miles literally without even needing a fuel stop). Some place that you could spend a month in relative safety/comfort. These days if you have the budget could even consider stuff like Starlink, now you've got broadband internet in the middle of nowhere too.

                It's not for some crazy zombie apocalypse stuff just things like hurricanes, massive fires, or local civil unrest where you need to leave a city, presumably not forever but for at least a few weeks. If you have friends/family to go to instead that's better, I was only saying that even if you don't (like they're overseas or literally on the opposite of the country or something genuinely hard to manage) you've got options. Even for a 21 year old fresh grad, an entry job might let you start saving fairly fast if you are very careful budgeting.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >These days if you have the budget could even consider stuff like Starlink, now you've got broadband internet in the middle of nowhere too.
                But why? Unless you go far off the beaten path there's a good chance you'll have cell service at where ever you might be camping. You could also just drive into town somewhere nearby during the day and use public wifi, as you'll realistically be making stops for supplies anyways.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him, but realistically.
                >you need to bug out due to some natural or man made disaster, which in the real world are the most likely of SHTF scenarios you might encounter
                >you don't have someone else you can stay by for whatever reason, hotels are expensive, and you don't feel like getting gang raped to sleep every night at the Superdome while Chris Kyle jerks off, so you camp until you can get settled somewhere like families who end up homeless will do

                >What sort of scenario do you foresee where going to live in a tent in an empty field is a useful response?
                I merely put it out as an example of a final fallback. I've done month long outdoors trips alone by myself or with a few friends in northern US and remote Canada anon, it's not bad. And here it'd be genuinely nice. You'd be setting up a big, spacious fancy "tent" (these can get massively more luxury than you're probably imagining), far more than one could carry, and you could have a well, solar/battery, etc. You're driving to your own place. But because it's a "temporary movable structure" in many states that doesn't count as a building at all. So you're only paying property tax on raw land. I actually own some empty land in another state myself that I successfully got zoned as "agriculture" (somebody collects some hay once in a while) and I pay $100/year in total taxes on a few dozen acres.

                If you have friends/family to go to instead, do that. Or if you can afford to just stay at hotels, or have an entire second house (even if it's a cheap shack) or whatever obviously lots of options. I was just saying even someone just beginning a career, totally alone, and living in a cheap city apartment can potentially make bug out plans beyond hoping for charity earlier than they might think. But teaming up with others is still the best.

                Alright, that's a lot more reasonable and nuanced than I expected.

                You'd want to make sure the property was likely to be safe and accessible through the most likely disasters in your area - floods and fires often hit rural areas worse than cities etc - but with that in mind it could be an option.
                Buying a small 4wd van with a bed and camp stove in the back might be a cheaper and more flexible option though.

                Back when I was studying and living in a 1 room college dorm my plan was to stay with a friend's family who'd agreed to put a few of us up in a disaster but I guess I was lucky with meeting good people early on.

                Having a family was a great motivator.

                Before this I had more of a survivalist set up; chest rig, rifle, sidearm, some knives, some cooking equipment, basic first aid kit, a water filter, maps, a few other tools and some tarps.

                Now that I am a father and home owner I have reevaluated my survival approach, have almost 100 gallons of water stored, a better larger first aid kit(wife is a medical practitioner), more food supplies, tools, we still have bug out bags, but our plan is to bug in unless we have to. I am wanting to get some EMP proof comms to give to some of my wife’s relatives so we have a way to organize if shit goes down.

                I would suggest that if you are young and without a family and not a home owner try to make your kit mobile and lightweight, perhaps invest in an inflatable kayak so you can avoid using highways if you do have to leave your apartment.

                Always have a destination in mind as well.

                >I am wanting to get some EMP proof comms
                Any comms are EMP proof if you store them in a Faraday cage.
                Although tbh the impact of emp on most modern electronics is overstated, they might be fine regardless.

                https://i.imgur.com/fRSbbfI.jpg

                >prepper
                >gun nuts
                >leftists

                Right

                Hey, I always grew up thinking of myself as left-wing and my wife is a straight out hippy when it comes to a lot of things. Doesn't stop us from prepping or owning more guns than 90% of this board.
                On the other hand, we both voted GOP last time around and I don't see that changing - the line between left and right, and what the respective parties stand for has seemed to become all twisted up at some point.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >20yo college student
        Grow your brain and you'll figure it out on your own.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Having a family was a great motivator.

        Before this I had more of a survivalist set up; chest rig, rifle, sidearm, some knives, some cooking equipment, basic first aid kit, a water filter, maps, a few other tools and some tarps.

        Now that I am a father and home owner I have reevaluated my survival approach, have almost 100 gallons of water stored, a better larger first aid kit(wife is a medical practitioner), more food supplies, tools, we still have bug out bags, but our plan is to bug in unless we have to. I am wanting to get some EMP proof comms to give to some of my wife’s relatives so we have a way to organize if shit goes down.

        I would suggest that if you are young and without a family and not a home owner try to make your kit mobile and lightweight, perhaps invest in an inflatable kayak so you can avoid using highways if you do have to leave your apartment.

        Always have a destination in mind as well.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I did, few years ago throughout summer and autumn - till the end of November, with semi portable dyi setup consisting of 60Watt panel, 10Amp controllar and 50Ah agm battery. Used it to power up 10inch tablet, phone, flashlight and hair clipper. Also very occasionally ran old ass 14 inch laptop, requiring 60watt charger (12V DC) - usually for 30 minutes up to one hour. During summer it worked fine, battery always at 90% capacity, if I hadn`t use the laptop that day, then fully replenished until 11AM next day. From November though I had whole weeks of cloudy days and even when weather was nice, the sun shined from 8am to 11am. Using laptop in such conditions was out of the question and even tablet had to be limited. In December battery was drained to 50%, with no perspective of charging it through solar panel alone. My conclusion is thats offgrid solar setup has to be at least three time oversized, in comparison to what would be sufficient with your summertime consumption of energy and it still gonna be unreliable, if you dont live in sunny climate zone. It might be good year round solution in Southern Europe or Australia, but not in temeprate climate zone with long winters and short days. That being said, its better than nothing, and can be used in places where fuel generators are out of the question - like for example city apartments. Especially considering that it requires almost zero maintenance and running expenses, comparing to generator.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People who think that going innawoods is how you survive SHTF are autistic retards who will starve to death
    You should be getting to know your community or building a good community that you can rely on. You can't do everything yourself

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    feesh

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      open the belly and disconnect the asshole first. The when you remove the head you can pull all the guts out with it. It's easier that way. Also you're gonna end up checking in Y bones using thus method unless you're eating little speckled trout or other such fish.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you know I have been thinking about it and wouldn't poison gas be incredibly useful in an apocalypse? with guns you have too expose yourself if you want too kill and enemy but with gas you just release and hide for like 30 minutes until the enemy dies from the poison. you could clear an entire town with like a half a liter of VX.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just doing emergency prep for my car. Not for a SHTF scenario or anything but in case I get stuck in the middle of nowhere if my car breaks down. I have some MREs but I'm wondering how much water to store. 10L seems like a nice round number but I wonder if it's enough, or even too much. And what containers should I get, will plastic bottles do? Or should I pay up for canned water that will last literally forever?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      10L seems like a pretty reasonable amount to me. I'd just go with plastic bottles, sure the plastic might break eventually but buying some new bottles of water every 10 years or so is still probably much cheaper than cans.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A fit body, mind, and soul.
    The word of God.
    A good rifle.
    The will to live.
    You must have these before all else.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    truth is you won't die in some sexy gun battle most likely you will die from some dumb shit like dysentery or e coli when no new water or food is being produced

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