PoW's, torture and guerilla warfare?

I was always curious about the aspects of war that involve PoW's. What is the benefit of taking PoW's and lets say for example you are a PoW, how do you prevent someone from just torturing the ever living frick out of you for information? How would a torturer even know if the info is right? A part of me feels like I would break down if I were tortured but from what I gather, being tortured almost never turns out well for the person that is being tortured. Even if you reveal info, how do you know the torturer won't just kill you anyway?

Also, as for guerilla warfare, how exactly does such a thing really even take place? It seems like such a thing can only arise if occupying an area but what if any enemy doesn't give a frick and just says "Yeah we are just going to bomb your ass to the stone age." Then what would people even be guerilla fighting for? Also, has there ever been a situation historically where guerilla fighters actually managed to complete their goals?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    someone post that webm where the russian soldiers were pounding ukrainian women in the tents

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Pounding them with what anon?

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Professional interrogators figured out long ago that torture is counterproductive to the purpose of obtaining legitimate information from captured PoW's. It taints the information that you do gather with credible doubt across the board because human beings will say literally anything in order to make the pain stop if you hurt them enough and they know that there is no other means of escape. Professional interrogators combine interviewing techniques with stress inducing techniques that do not include significant physical abuse in order to deny their detainees any sort of defense that might use the pain they're experiencing as an excuse to avoid answering direct questions. All this shit about 'breaking' in the movies is just a lot of Hollywood nonsense. Torture is about power and punishment, not information. Skilled interrogators will elicit useful information from you without you even realizing it. Without high level counter-interrogation training, detainees don't stand a chance against a team of trained interrogators. They will isolate you, stress you out, overwhelm you with a sense of hopelessness and then confront you with direct questions. They will make it seem as though answering their questions is your only means of escape. If it doesn't work, they'll just start the cycle over again until you're so sleep deprived and burnt out on cortisol that you start forgetting who you are. Remember, they have all the time in the world. You don't. Without professional counter-interrogation training from a military SERE school or its equivalent, you don't stand a chance. The only way to resist interrogation is to know what the interrogation techniques are ahead of time and how they work so you can turn the interrogation into a battle of wills. The whole idea is to make the interrogators think that you really don't know what they think you know or to make their job so tedious and difficult that they just give up and move on to the next detainee.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >How would a torturer even know if the info is right
      Common soldiers get tortured for actionable information about force disposition that will matter in the immediate future.
      Meaning there's a good chance the torturer will be able to check very soon, or will find out the hard way very soon.
      So lying is an option but you have to have balls to do it and might not afterwards.
      >how do you know the torturer won't just kill you anyway
      Usually prisoners are useful if as nothing else than hostages that can eventually be traded.
      Also it's really inconvenient to shoot someone who's already proven willing to give useful information and then realize you forgot to ask them something.

      >torture is counterproductive...human beings will say literally anything in order to make the pain stop.
      Including the truth, so it doesn't hurt to try. Well it does but you get what I mean.
      >Instead of torture, endlessly question someone and make it look like answering is the only means of escaping the neverending stress and severe sleep deprivation
      So...torture.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >So...torture.

        Not exactly. Unlike torture, a detainee won't have his life preservation instincts, the fight-or-flight response, you'll just to hope you will come out unharmed.

        Proper interrogation would make them tired and exhaust them physically and mentally, weakening the willingness to withhold information but will avoid the primal natural instinct to contaminate the validity of the information. Detainee will be aware of their situation and observing his interrogators if they are pleased or not and if they will be making your life more difficult or not.

        Torture uses physical harm and pain that makes your body feel under an imminent thread of death or crippling injury. You'll say anything to make it stop. Even lie if torurer will keep going because you can't properly judge if they are hearing what they need or want, as your body of screaming that your're in danger and have to get out of it ASAP.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Even in training, the goal is to make you withhold time-sensitive information until it is invaluable. Everybody breaks. The worst case I can think of is William F. Buckley who got mindfricked seven ways 'til Sunday. But ARVN regularly used to scoop an eyeball out with a spoon before even asking a question just to show they meant business.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >William F. Buckley
        This guy?
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley_Jr.

        > Buckley who got mindfricked seven ways 'til Sunday

        o.O not really mentioned if you search for it in the article or anywhere

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >William F. Buckley who got mindfricked seven ways 'til Sunday
          Citation required.

          Damn, there really are glowies lurking. Got tortured, isolated, and fed psychedelics until he was a husk of a babbling mess. Possibly experienced the worst hell that could be experienced with a pulse.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Counterfactuals.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Jeez, even the one that showed up on Google even a few years ago was internet scrubbed. The Atlantic article is still up.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Counterfactuals.

                https://canadafreepress.com/2006/thomas102506.htm

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I believe that's the one, thanks. Another one you can find from googling his torturer's name.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >William F. Buckley who got mindfricked seven ways 'til Sunday
        Citation required.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      You're only saying this to illicit a reply from me. Doh...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Black person. You heard once that torture rarely yields good information, vaguely remember something you saw in a youtube video about SERE, and made up the rest. Holy shit lie better.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Also, has there ever been a situation historically where guerilla fighters actually managed to complete their goals?

    Yeah, just look at Afghanistan, they won at the end, they rule now.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >what if any enemy doesn't give a frick and just says "Yeah we are just going to bomb your ass to the stone age."
    They have to possess the capability to actually do so, which Russia does not.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There's a video on YouTube called "SAS Counter-Interrogation" or something like that that shows how to avoid giving any "tells" to a skilled interrogator. Pretty neat stuff.

    I'd argue POWs are more useful to Guerillas than they are to standing armies. They likely won't give you any good information, but they're a huge propaganda win. They could be traded to a standing army for cash or for your buddies who got captured. Also, if the guerrillas have a base that can't be easily concealed, if they tell the enemy that there are POWs somewhere inside it. The standing army would be less likely to drone strike a building with one of their own inside. If they do, it's another propaganda win for the guerrillas.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Neural networks lie because they can hallucinate.

    If wikileaks is to be believed, the CIA had only very limited gain from "tortured intel" and false information led to several losses of expensive field equipment and human resources in some instances.

    There are some lucky people who die from pain alone rather quickly and I guess some people are p zombies either way.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      ... You should not be so worried what a human can do to you, but what a SuperAI with vast mental and physical abilities will be capable of infering about you by merely looking at an X Ray of your skull

      https://johnnosta.medium.com/constructing-images-directly-from-thought-95cd6b344409

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >and scientists have no idea how
        bone structure? are they moronic?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          > "For their study, Gichoya and colleagues first wanted to determine if they could develop AI models that could detect race solely from chest x-rays. They used three large datasets that spanned a diverse patient population and found that their models could predict race with high accuracy—a striking finding, as human experts are unable to make such predictions by looking at x-rays. The researchers also found that the AI could determine self-reported race even when the images were highly degraded or cropped to one ninth of the original size, or when the resolution was modified to such an extent that the images were barely recognized as x-rays. The research team subsequently used other non-chest x-ray datasets including mammograms, cervical spine radiographs, and chest computed tomography (CT) scans, and found that the AI could still determine self-reported race, regardless of the type of scan or anatomic location."

          > “Our results suggest that there are ‘hidden signals’ in medical images that lead the AI to predict race,” said Gichoya. “We need to accelerate our understanding of why these algorithms have this ability, so that the downstream applications of AI—such as building image-based algorithms to make predictions about health—are not potentially harmful for minority and underserved patient populations.”"

          https://www.nibib.nih.gov/news-events/newsroom/study-finds-artificial-intelligence-can-determine-race-medical-images

          There is probably a significant amount of hidden encoded information in pictures with humans allowing to derive all kinds of properties about a person. It hasn't really been explored.

          You wont be able to win a poker match against an SAI, that's for sure.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Thinking about it closer, there is probably latent information in those images.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >What is the benefit of taking PoW's
    if the enemy knows that you take prisoners then they will actually surrender which means you do not have too spend manpower on killing them. if you also treat POWs well and they know it then you might get mass surrenders constantly.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    be a man, do the right ting

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >how do you prevent someone from just torturing the ever living frick out of you
    I believe generally the advice is the larger and more regular the enemy formation is the safer it is to surrender

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Torture doesn't get you good information. That's a big reason it isn't used anymore. It gets you whatever the captive thinks you want to here.

    Looting, rape, terrorizing civilians, and to a lesser extent torture also degrade morale. A man who once saw himself as heroic, defending his country, now sees himself as a thief and accomplice to raping your boys and robbing from old grandmothers. When that is now his self image, when he has already committed such crimes, is the barrier to desertion or mutiny that high anymore? Once you lose discipline and become and army of looters, only fear keeps your men in line, and it is possible they come to fear the enemy more than you.

    Treating POWs is huge. There is a reason Germany had 33% of its military casualties on the Western Front in WWII but like 90% of their fatalities out East. When the allied armies crossed the German border the French, British, and Americans EACH had more POWs than the Soviets. Soldiers who knew they faced enslavement and starvation if they surrendered fought to the end. The US got massive routes through encirclements/mechanized advantages.

    Operations where a quarter million Wermacht forces, some hardened Eastern Front veterans realized their position was hopeless and surrendered. They would have kept fighting the Russians.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >That's a big reason it isn't used anymore.
      Its illegal. Unironically war crime.
      So its used people just don't talk about it.

      >When that is now his self image, when he has already committed such crimes, is the barrier to desertion or mutiny that high anymore?
      Torture is employed by gloBlack folk in secret not by average conscriptovich. So public image of treating POWs stays positive.

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