Don't let the /arg/fags meme you into buying overpriced lowers. Paying extra for a rollmark to impress retards on the internet is gay israeli consumerist bullshit.
As long as it's in spec, a cheap lower receiver is literally just as good as an expensive one. It will make approximately zero difference in the accuracy or reliability of the gun. Save the money and put it somewhere it will actually make a difference, like the barrel, bolt, or optics.
It's rarely an issue even for the cheapest lowers, and if it is, it'll be immediately obvious since the parts won't go together right. Or go over it with a set of calipers to be sure it's in spec if you're that worried. Do your own QA. You'll save money AND have a better understanding of your gun. There's literally no downside unless you're a lazy consumerist retard who simply can't or won't do it.
>rarely an issue even for the cheapest lowers
no > Or go over it with a set of calipers to be sure it's in spec if you're that worried
nah i'll pay extra so i don't. love not being broke.
>rarely an issue even for the cheapest lowers >no
How many millions of lowers have the likes of Anderson and PSA churned out? How many have you actually seen that were out of spec?
>nah i'll pay extra so i don't. love not being broke.
No one is impressed by your willingness to pay more and get nothing in return.
>How many millions of lowers have the likes of Anderson and PSA churned out? How many have you actually seen that were out of spec?
enough to steer clear of them >No one is impressed by your willingness to pay more and get nothing in return.
let me reiterate that this is $50 we're talking about. if that's a lot of money to you, then kek.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>>How many millions of lowers have the likes of Anderson and PSA churned out? How many have you actually seen that were out of spec? >enough to steer clear of them
Okay, I'll take a wild guess and assume the number you've actually seen is somewhere between zero and none. >>No one is impressed by your willingness to pay more and get nothing in return. >let me reiterate that this is $50 we're talking about. if that's a lot of money to you, then kek.
It doesn't matter if you're broke or a billionaire, paying even a single dollar extra and getting nothing for it just because some marketing convinced you it was better for some intangible, undefinable reason is retarded consumerism, nothing more.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>enough to steer clear of them
everyone can tell you are a "le enlightened consumer" plebbit homosexual. Go tend to your gay ass funko pop collection, or whatever other bullshit you collect.
[...] >It doesn't matter if you're broke or a billionaire, paying even a single dollar extra and getting nothing for it just because some marketing convinced you it was better for some intangible, undefinable reason is retarded consumerism, nothing more.
this. Reminder, this product has a 5 star rating.
https://i.imgur.com/oSlQBRm.jpg
>the more expensive ones are better! >how? >I-uh.. p-poorfag! You're just jealous of me!
Why are people like this? What has to go wrong in someone's life to make them this way?
https://i.imgur.com/msliq2m.gif
>Why are people like this? What has to go wrong in someone's life to make them this way?
this is a known thing man.
onions boy NPCs with no identity or culture create pseudo identities about their refined tastes and collections of (x). They all hang out on plebbit, and pontificate about IPAs and funko pop tier goy slop.
It's all a mental exercise to avoid actually doing anything. because thinking about something and spending money is their form of action.
lets play a game. I tell you how much I make in a year, then you tell me how much you make in a year
wanna go?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Sorry bro, I'm not nearly enough of a retard to expect people to be honest on an anonymous japanese cartoon forum, so I will not be participating in your little game. I guess you'll just have to find some other way to cope with being the pic related of guns.
1 month ago
Anonymous
How do Funko Pops stack so well. Everytime I stack more than 4 boxes of anything it starts to lean to one side.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>the bugman consumer screams out as he strikes you.
you are quite confident you make more money than everyone. presumably, you have some quintessentially bug-man career like programmer for some gay corporation. I imagine you are seething because your reddit accounts has thousands of hours put into it.
> you have to go back.
1 month ago
Anonymous
as someone who makes a pretty good amount of money unironically I hate when other people flex their salary. It screams insecurity.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It basically proves other Anon's point that they have no personality and base it off of buying stupid shit to feel superior.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Exactly
1 month ago
Anonymous
it's also stupid because it doesn't translate to wealth/prosperity. people making nearly a quarter million can be borderline poverty wages, depending on where you live or what your situation is. I don't make that much, but due to my situation I have fabulous amounts of disposable income.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Prosumers are the death of hobbies. It’s vital for grassroots hobbyist communities to gatekeep and shit on retards who think they can buy skill. >t. photographer
There’s not a place online that isn’t just infested with Sony mirrorless homosexuals taking the most mundane landscape/portrait shots and tagging all their dog shit photos with some ridiculously expensive camera/lense combo.
1 month ago
Anonymous
How about you post guns since this is the WEAPONS board you peacocking instagram gigahomosexual reject. inb4 gucci AR with spotless brass deflector.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>I make lots money so I can waste it on dumb shit and that makes me like super extra cooler than u LOLE
This particular type of dented skull mentality needs to fucking die.
1 month ago
Anonymous
you still havent posted a gun lol, your salary in rupees is not impressive.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Rich people don’t have to brag about how rich they are. They don’t even care what the poors think of their income. You’re doing the same thing fat “people” do when they say they are beautiful. It’s bullshit and repeating it doesn’t make it true
1 month ago
Anonymous
>enough to steer clear of them
everyone can tell you are a "le enlightened consumer" plebbit homosexual. Go tend to your gay ass funko pop collection, or whatever other bullshit you collect.
>>How many millions of lowers have the likes of Anderson and PSA churned out? How many have you actually seen that were out of spec? >enough to steer clear of them
Okay, I'll take a wild guess and assume the number you've actually seen is somewhere between zero and none. >>No one is impressed by your willingness to pay more and get nothing in return. >let me reiterate that this is $50 we're talking about. if that's a lot of money to you, then kek.
It doesn't matter if you're broke or a billionaire, paying even a single dollar extra and getting nothing for it just because some marketing convinced you it was better for some intangible, undefinable reason is retarded consumerism, nothing more.
>It doesn't matter if you're broke or a billionaire, paying even a single dollar extra and getting nothing for it just because some marketing convinced you it was better for some intangible, undefinable reason is retarded consumerism, nothing more.
this. Reminder, this product has a 5 star rating.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>enough to steer clear of them
The source that isn’t you ass?
>How many millions of lowers have the likes of Anderson and PSA churned out? How many have you actually seen that were out of spec?
Andersons: >1/4 required further drilling >3/4 required beating the shit out of it to get things to fit. Having to beat some of them so hard that others would have given up and started drilling
I'm the lazy type who'd rather not have to do extra work on guns and I really didn't want to have to drill anything.
PSA >3/3 perfect
Unless Anderson has gotten significantly better there's no reason to ever buy their lowers
Poorfags will seethe and tell you to go back to plebbit. But youre right. They will also say high end receivers have problems but they dont. They actually have a QC department that works. Its all copium.
Anderson and PSA do more lowers by volume than nearly anyone else. What are the QC issues? Do they stop it from working? Are they really more common than other companies?
to an extent the upper as well, you don't want your upper cracking or having some catastrophic failure. Essentially just buy a really quality complete upper with a good BCG and CH.
>you don't want your upper cracking or having some catastrophic failure
does this shit actually happen a notable amount? I've always heard the upper was important but I've never heard instances of it being an actual failure point
Not him, but it's more because the upper can actually affect accuracy. Not to the extent that the barrel or bolt does, but enough that it's worth not going as cheap as possible.
It is only an issue if you shoot reloads from a crack addict. Sure, there are examples of either really shit uppers or uppers that saw 10 of thousands of rounds.
It's much more of an issue when shooting larger diameter cases, and some other part also fails. If the receiver isn't up to snuff, it can break, too, rather than containing the catastrophe. That said, if you have a bolt go kaboom, you should probably just toss the upper anyway.
>I've become more and more convinced the only parts you really need to give a shit about are the bcg and barrel
well, that's probably because you have a functioning brain. if you have a good bolt+BCG and barrel and it's all attached to the upper correctly, you will have an accurate and reliable gun. Everything else is just cope.
You can have the finest LPVO on the market on your rifle, but if the barrel's trash, that optic is an expensive paperweight on the gun. Most barrels these days are pretty well made, though. Even basic bitch $100 Ballistic Advantage barrels can pull off decent groups with good ammo and a good shooter. Will a $300 Criterion barrel get better groups? Almost certainly, but I doubt most people buying $100 BA barrels are actually expecting to get sub-MOA groups with one. Companies like Criterion, DD, Centurion, BRT, etc, are going to have better QC than BA, PSA, Faxon, etc, too.
A trigger has little impact on accuracy so long as it's not some super gritty piece of shit with an 8 pound pull. That said, I'll once again shill for the LaRue MBT-2S. Costs no more than $100 and I like it a little more than the Geissele SSA-E.
anon never said the trigger and optic were all that mattered, just that omitting them from being relevant and labelling them as "cope" is not something someone who actually has real trigger time would do
I have a nice trigger in mine and it definitely makes accurate shooting more comfortable and a little easier, but the milspec one also works fine. Shot my buddy's dmr style ar setup and the trigger felt like shit to use but i could still hit what i was aiming at just fine at like 300. Also holosuns just work
Yeah the only reason you might want to pay extra is for an ambi lower. And that's only if you want that. Otherwise there isn't really much value add. The truth is there's only a few forges making lowers and uppers and only a handful of OEMs doing the final machining. Random Brand A's lower probably came form the same place as Rando Brand B's. I've built guns off of poverty pony lowers and they are perform great.
>MARS L lower is literally $349.00
I make mid 6 figures and I'd still never pay that much for a stripped lower.
Fucking topkek! /AR/ fags are the absolute gucciest of gucci fags.
Ehh, if you want to make an ambi lower, you spend about 200 before tax and shipping. Might as well spend the extra coin for a gated mag release that's situated properly, and a mirrored bolt release and catch.
That was my logic. I wanted one really nice rifle so I built it on a MARS. My other ARs a great but this thing whatever phrase zoomers use to describe a premium product. Its by best shooting rifle by far.
As someone who shoots NRA Midrange Prone on occasion, the ambi bolt release would be nice. That and it'd be better for locking back the bolt. 150-200 dollary-doos better? Don't know about that, a lot of guys shooting service rifle at the club I go to use the BAD lever.
Yep >muh left-handed guest shooter
I don’t care. They can manage and it’s just range shooting anyways. My cousin is wrong handed and he figures it out. >or "muh injured arm"
Sounds good on the surface. But if I’m in a situation with an injured right arm that’s so bad I can’t hold up a rifle and use my fingers, AND need to continue a gunfight, I have bigger issues than using less than ideal controls with my left hand. I doubt ambi controls is what keeps me alive there
Yep. I bought a half dozen on Black Friday many years ago at @ $25 a pop. I mean, why not... right?
I've built three into various configurations and all have functioned flawlessly.
Cheapest is $130 right now with an adjustable stock with a "WOW IT WAS TOTALLY $350-430 AND NOW IT'S $130-140" """"sale"""" price. H&R $290 cheapest unless you want a blem at $270-280. Which sucks because I like the H&R rollmark over the PSA and already own an H&R lower (which may have been on sale, don't remember spending that much...).
>the more expensive ones are better! >how? >I-uh.. p-poorfag! You're just jealous of me!
Why are people like this? What has to go wrong in someone's life to make them this way?
>Why are people like this? What has to go wrong in someone's life to make them this way?
this is a known thing man.
onions boy NPCs with no identity or culture create pseudo identities about their refined tastes and collections of (x). They all hang out on plebbit, and pontificate about IPAs and funko pop tier goy slop.
It's all a mental exercise to avoid actually doing anything. because thinking about something and spending money is their form of action.
>because thinking about something and spending money is their form of action.
I'd argue its not thinking about something and spending money. They see paying a premium as someone else thinking for them. Its more money so it must be the best. No thinking required.
All forged lowers come from the same few factories (Anchor-Harvey, Cerro, BAF etc), it really doesn't matter what "brand" of machined lower you're buying as long as it's in-spec
People that buy Andersons tend to go budget on everything else as well and bring down the whole reputation of the brand with their shitty guns trying to save a buck
That said, I have had to file off a burr or two on my first lower. I'd rather pay the extra $30 for a better finish and ambi controls.
The PSA ones are often not only cheaper but have significantly better tolerances and anodizing. Anderson consistently has had the worst tolerances in my experience
Anderson lowers are crap.
most don't work correctly.
I have 3 that needed mods to feed, use mags, and lock back correctly.
but they were like $30 at the time so
can't find the pic, but the Anderson lowers have crap machining.
the mag catch was machined about 0.040in too high.
so the mag was too high in the mag well.
it would try to double feed because the bolt was riding the case. found mags with loser tolerances that worked only after swapping to MagPul keepers.
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2nd issue was the rear recoil spring derent hole was machined too far foreward.
had to use those offset pins to fix it.
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3rd issue was the hand grip bolt threads weren't tapped all the way in.
so you couldn't bolt up the grip.
had to modify the bolt.
or tap the threads all the way.
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again, they were stupid cheap so it's hard to complain.
Even though I haven't had any issues with the 2 Anderson lowers I have, I really don't recommend people buy them. They're known for having issues, and it seems like if you get one that doesn't have any, you got lucky.
Aero definitely has some QC issues, but they don't seem anywhere near as bad as Anderson. I wonder how the QC is on PSA's stripped lowers? I've seen those for like $50 pretty regularly in the past. If their QC is better than Anderson's, I don't see any reason to buy an Anderson lower.
Yeah that sucks man. It's a shame that lawsuits move so slowly, because that shit is in direct violation of the Bruen decision.
I wonder if Aero regrets not moving out of Washington back when they moved their facilities in 2022. I know they've said on their social media that they have no plans to relocate out of WA despite the anti-gun stuff being enacted there. Obviously packing everything up and moving again so soon would be a monumental task, and would result in a ton of people losing their jobs, but WA's anti-gun stuff is probably going to be moving through the court system for years.
Anderson has sold probably hundreds of thousands of lowers, this is such hyperbole that most have issues. Yeah they probably have the most issues out of any lower but by no means are "most" anderson lowers bad.
It's a gamble. Every company has lemons, but it's a matter of proportion, and it's not unusual for Anderson's stuff to be messed up in some way. Someone who knows what to look out for in regards to out of spec tolerances or other issues will be able to figure things out, but a lot of people simply don't know what to look out for or properly diagnose issues when they occur, and a lot of those people are first time buyers wanting to spend as little as possible.
My Geissele lower is by far my favorite, I built it from a Geissele maritime parts kit, DDC burnt bronze coating, Geissele b
H1 buffer kit and SSA trigger.
Yeah, I think their lower parts are really nice. The only things I switched out on my Geisseles was the pistol grip. They had their own A2 style grip on them, which I didn't like at all. Swapped them out for Magpul K2 grips. I do wish Geissele used endplates with QD cups. No idea why they don't.
Anderson has sold probably hundreds of thousands of lowers, this is such hyperbole that most have issues. Yeah they probably have the most issues out of any lower but by no means are "most" anderson lowers bad.
No need to justify your purchase to strangers online bro
We know Anderson manufacturing is quick and cheap, I would never ever bet on their parts especially after I've seen my friend's pony pop an upper component while sitting out of spec with it's lower
If it works for you, good for you
nagger you're probably too young to remember this but there was a sizable batch that didn't even have the grip screw threading pitch correct. Anderson is bottom of the barrel for lowers. Yeah chances are you'll get one that's fine but they've absolutely had their share of QR fuckywuckies, to the point that those of us who remember them will just pay a bit extra for a more reliable offering like Aero.
Lying shill, Anderson fixed the grip screw thread issue. It was only one batch almost 10 years ago. I have 2 of them and you fix it by putting a shorter screw in them.
AR-15 lowers I own: >Anderson
Bought a 2 pack of stripped Anderson lowers for like $60 back in the day. Haven't had any problems with either of them. The ones I have are low shelf cut, but Anderson does sell M16 pocket cut lowers as well.
>Aero Precision
I've bought 4 of Aero's M4E1 lowers, stripped. No problem with any of them. The flared magwell and built-in trigger guard are nice. All Aero lowers are low shelf cut.
>Geissele
I've purchased 2 complete Super Duty rifles. Pretty standard milspec style lowers. I like the lower parts Geissele makes, but the best part about their lowers is that they're M16 pocket cut. I know Geissele has had some QC issues in the past across their product line, but both of my Super Duty rifles have had no issues at all.
>ADM UIC
Really nice billet machined ambi lower. As far as billet ambi lowers go, I like this more than Radian's. ADM's "stripped" lowers come with the ambi controls pre-installed (except for selector). All of ADM's lowers have been low shelf cut in recent years, but were M16 pocket cut in the past. Definitely a shame they moved away from that. I really like these lowers, but ADM significantly raised the price this year, and that fucking sucks.
Ultimately I think the best bang for your buck is a stripped Aero lower, either their standard or M4E1, and then install whatever ambi parts you need/want. I'm right handed and like the bolt catch/release lever ADM has in their lowers, but really the Magpul BAD lever accomplishes the same thing and isn't an ND hazard if you're not a fucking idiot.
I should've mentioned, if you're willing to do a little machining on a lower, Aero's PDQ lever is very similar to ADM's lever. I've not done it myself, but it's a very cost effective alternative to the BAD lever if you don't fuck up machining the lower to install it.
The Geissele lowers and parts kits are top notch but you're gonna pay a premium.
Definitely. You can build a nicer gun from parts for what Geissele charges for complete rifles, but if you don't want to build something and wait for sales, they're nice rifles.
My Geissele lower is by far my favorite, I built it from a Geissele maritime parts kit, DDC burnt bronze coating, Geissele b
H1 buffer kit and SSA trigger.
I'm planning on selling like half of them. My older and cheaper builds. I don't really need the money, but I rarely shoot the older ones anymore, so I might as well offer people some dirt cheap deals on them.
Richfag here. Except I gucci'd it with surplus sling bayonet, cleaning rod and mag. Thats my batu raifu cuz my gf stole my chinese SKS because she liked it so its hers now.
People that buy Andersons tend to go budget on everything else as well and bring down the whole reputation of the brand with their shitty guns trying to save a buck
That said, I have had to file off a burr or two on my first lower. I'd rather pay the extra $30 for a better finish and ambi controls.
nailed it by pointing out that the kind of people who cheap out as much as possible on the lower tend to cheap out on everything else. They know that their entire setups are budget and that they'll get shit on. There's nothing wrong with a cheap lower since it'll do 99.99% of what anyone here will need it to do, but the kind of poster to gloat about how much better they are for having it is guaranteed to have cheap bullshit for the rest of the components as well.
>ar15s have gotten cheaper and cheaper bruh
They've gone up in price since Trump left office. The fear and scary during Obama years created a huge demand and had tons of companies investing money to buy/upgrade their machining capabilities which churned out tons of stuff to meet demand. After Trump was elected the gun market cooled remarkably and we saw PSA rifle kits (everything but the lower) going for under $200. But now covid and Biden have have fucked with the market again so its back up, albeit not by a terrible amount.
I have a nice trigger in mine and it definitely makes accurate shooting more comfortable and a little easier, but the milspec one also works fine. Shot my buddy's dmr style ar setup and the trigger felt like shit to use but i could still hit what i was aiming at just fine at like 300. Also holosuns just work
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Anyone calling poverty pony lower respecters poors is a fucking homosexual and I unironically make more money than them and have 100 more guns than they do. You can 3d print a reliable lower nowadays lol a fucking pony is gtg.
Quality of a rifle lies in >barrel >bcg
Change my mind… oh wait you can’t because you’re wrong.
Got a MARS-L lower and it works perfectly fine.
Have a poverty pony lower and it works perfectly fine.
Have a plastic 80% I whipped up in the garage with a few beers and it works perfectly fine.
Don't let the /arg/fags meme you into buying overpriced lowers. Paying extra for a rollmark to impress retards on the internet is gay israeli consumerist bullshit.
As long as it's in spec, a cheap lower receiver is literally just as good as an expensive one. It will make approximately zero difference in the accuracy or reliability of the gun. Save the money and put it somewhere it will actually make a difference, like the barrel, bolt, or optics.
you're at best saving $50. i'd rather pay an extra $50 knowing the QC won't be an issue.
It's rarely an issue even for the cheapest lowers, and if it is, it'll be immediately obvious since the parts won't go together right. Or go over it with a set of calipers to be sure it's in spec if you're that worried. Do your own QA. You'll save money AND have a better understanding of your gun. There's literally no downside unless you're a lazy consumerist retard who simply can't or won't do it.
>rarely an issue even for the cheapest lowers
no
> Or go over it with a set of calipers to be sure it's in spec if you're that worried
nah i'll pay extra so i don't. love not being broke.
poorfags malding
let's see your funko pop collection.
let's see your guns, nogunz newfag
Post your AR
>rarely an issue even for the cheapest lowers
>no
How many millions of lowers have the likes of Anderson and PSA churned out? How many have you actually seen that were out of spec?
>nah i'll pay extra so i don't. love not being broke.
No one is impressed by your willingness to pay more and get nothing in return.
>How many millions of lowers have the likes of Anderson and PSA churned out? How many have you actually seen that were out of spec?
enough to steer clear of them
>No one is impressed by your willingness to pay more and get nothing in return.
let me reiterate that this is $50 we're talking about. if that's a lot of money to you, then kek.
>>How many millions of lowers have the likes of Anderson and PSA churned out? How many have you actually seen that were out of spec?
>enough to steer clear of them
Okay, I'll take a wild guess and assume the number you've actually seen is somewhere between zero and none.
>>No one is impressed by your willingness to pay more and get nothing in return.
>let me reiterate that this is $50 we're talking about. if that's a lot of money to you, then kek.
It doesn't matter if you're broke or a billionaire, paying even a single dollar extra and getting nothing for it just because some marketing convinced you it was better for some intangible, undefinable reason is retarded consumerism, nothing more.
lets play a game. I tell you how much I make in a year, then you tell me how much you make in a year
wanna go?
Sorry bro, I'm not nearly enough of a retard to expect people to be honest on an anonymous japanese cartoon forum, so I will not be participating in your little game. I guess you'll just have to find some other way to cope with being the pic related of guns.
How do Funko Pops stack so well. Everytime I stack more than 4 boxes of anything it starts to lean to one side.
>the bugman consumer screams out as he strikes you.
you are quite confident you make more money than everyone. presumably, you have some quintessentially bug-man career like programmer for some gay corporation. I imagine you are seething because your reddit accounts has thousands of hours put into it.
> you have to go back.
as someone who makes a pretty good amount of money unironically I hate when other people flex their salary. It screams insecurity.
It basically proves other Anon's point that they have no personality and base it off of buying stupid shit to feel superior.
Exactly
it's also stupid because it doesn't translate to wealth/prosperity. people making nearly a quarter million can be borderline poverty wages, depending on where you live or what your situation is. I don't make that much, but due to my situation I have fabulous amounts of disposable income.
Prosumers are the death of hobbies. It’s vital for grassroots hobbyist communities to gatekeep and shit on retards who think they can buy skill.
>t. photographer
There’s not a place online that isn’t just infested with Sony mirrorless homosexuals taking the most mundane landscape/portrait shots and tagging all their dog shit photos with some ridiculously expensive camera/lense combo.
How about you post guns since this is the WEAPONS board you peacocking instagram gigahomosexual reject. inb4 gucci AR with spotless brass deflector.
>I make lots money so I can waste it on dumb shit and that makes me like super extra cooler than u LOLE
This particular type of dented skull mentality needs to fucking die.
you still havent posted a gun lol, your salary in rupees is not impressive.
Rich people don’t have to brag about how rich they are. They don’t even care what the poors think of their income. You’re doing the same thing fat “people” do when they say they are beautiful. It’s bullshit and repeating it doesn’t make it true
>enough to steer clear of them
everyone can tell you are a "le enlightened consumer" plebbit homosexual. Go tend to your gay ass funko pop collection, or whatever other bullshit you collect.
>It doesn't matter if you're broke or a billionaire, paying even a single dollar extra and getting nothing for it just because some marketing convinced you it was better for some intangible, undefinable reason is retarded consumerism, nothing more.
this. Reminder, this product has a 5 star rating.
>enough to steer clear of them
The source that isn’t you ass?
>How many millions of lowers have the likes of Anderson and PSA churned out? How many have you actually seen that were out of spec?
Andersons:
>1/4 required further drilling
>3/4 required beating the shit out of it to get things to fit. Having to beat some of them so hard that others would have given up and started drilling
I'm the lazy type who'd rather not have to do extra work on guns and I really didn't want to have to drill anything.
PSA
>3/3 perfect
Unless Anderson has gotten significantly better there's no reason to ever buy their lowers
>malding
What the fuck does that even mean anon?
It means going bald from being mad. It really doesn't make any sense
Zoom zoom new speak
I bet you own kimbers
go back to plebbit, homosexual.
The QC is always an issue. Even LMT has QC issues. That shitty Anderson lower is 99% as good as a $300 billet lower
Billet lowers suck anon. You dont even know what youre talking about.
Poorfags will seethe and tell you to go back to plebbit. But youre right. They will also say high end receivers have problems but they dont. They actually have a QC department that works. Its all copium.
Anderson and PSA do more lowers by volume than nearly anyone else. What are the QC issues? Do they stop it from working? Are they really more common than other companies?
Poverty pony also makes lowers and parts for other companies, even the high end expensive ones.
I've become more and more convinced the only parts you really need to give a shit about are the bcg and barrel
and optic... but even then, there are massive demtioning returns.
to an extent the upper as well, you don't want your upper cracking or having some catastrophic failure. Essentially just buy a really quality complete upper with a good BCG and CH.
>you don't want your upper cracking or having some catastrophic failure
does this shit actually happen a notable amount? I've always heard the upper was important but I've never heard instances of it being an actual failure point
Not him, but it's more because the upper can actually affect accuracy. Not to the extent that the barrel or bolt does, but enough that it's worth not going as cheap as possible.
>upper can actually affect accuracy.
sure... but 95% of shooters can't shoot better than a basic PSA rifle.
then buy your fucking PSA homosexual.
has anyone actually 1 to 1 A/B tested different uppers, all other parts being the same, for accuracy? would be interesting to see
school of the American rifle
It is only an issue if you shoot reloads from a crack addict. Sure, there are examples of either really shit uppers or uppers that saw 10 of thousands of rounds.
It's much more of an issue when shooting larger diameter cases, and some other part also fails. If the receiver isn't up to snuff, it can break, too, rather than containing the catastrophe. That said, if you have a bolt go kaboom, you should probably just toss the upper anyway.
>I've become more and more convinced the only parts you really need to give a shit about are the bcg and barrel
well, that's probably because you have a functioning brain. if you have a good bolt+BCG and barrel and it's all attached to the upper correctly, you will have an accurate and reliable gun. Everything else is just cope.
>no mention of trigger or optic
I'm seriously beginning to wonder if poors even shoot.
You can have the finest LPVO on the market on your rifle, but if the barrel's trash, that optic is an expensive paperweight on the gun. Most barrels these days are pretty well made, though. Even basic bitch $100 Ballistic Advantage barrels can pull off decent groups with good ammo and a good shooter. Will a $300 Criterion barrel get better groups? Almost certainly, but I doubt most people buying $100 BA barrels are actually expecting to get sub-MOA groups with one. Companies like Criterion, DD, Centurion, BRT, etc, are going to have better QC than BA, PSA, Faxon, etc, too.
A trigger has little impact on accuracy so long as it's not some super gritty piece of shit with an 8 pound pull. That said, I'll once again shill for the LaRue MBT-2S. Costs no more than $100 and I like it a little more than the Geissele SSA-E.
anon never said the trigger and optic were all that mattered, just that omitting them from being relevant and labelling them as "cope" is not something someone who actually has real trigger time would do
>paypigs hate this one simple fact
even bargin bin milspec AR triggers are capable of accurate shooting if the shooter doesn't lick anus.
Post your build and your groups anon
I have a nice trigger in mine and it definitely makes accurate shooting more comfortable and a little easier, but the milspec one also works fine. Shot my buddy's dmr style ar setup and the trigger felt like shit to use but i could still hit what i was aiming at just fine at like 300. Also holosuns just work
Neither of those affect inherent accuracy. Those are big for practical accuracy but that’s completely different.
Yeah the only reason you might want to pay extra is for an ambi lower. And that's only if you want that. Otherwise there isn't really much value add. The truth is there's only a few forges making lowers and uppers and only a handful of OEMs doing the final machining. Random Brand A's lower probably came form the same place as Rando Brand B's. I've built guns off of poverty pony lowers and they are perform great.
MARS L lower is literally Bae.
I have both a MARS build and a poverty pony build. MARS is gucci but the pony is perfectly fine.
>MARS L lower is literally $349.00
I make mid 6 figures and I'd still never pay that much for a stripped lower.
Fucking topkek! /AR/ fags are the absolute gucciest of gucci fags.
Ehh, if you want to make an ambi lower, you spend about 200 before tax and shipping. Might as well spend the extra coin for a gated mag release that's situated properly, and a mirrored bolt release and catch.
or I could just, ya know, not do that
That was my logic. I wanted one really nice rifle so I built it on a MARS. My other ARs a great but this thing whatever phrase zoomers use to describe a premium product. Its by best shooting rifle by far.
>Fucking topkek!
dude I don't know where you came from but you need to take your ass back there, right now
convince me to give half a fuck about left-handed controls as a right hander
hard mode: you can't say "muh left-handed guest shooter" or "muh injured arm"
As someone who shoots NRA Midrange Prone on occasion, the ambi bolt release would be nice. That and it'd be better for locking back the bolt. 150-200 dollary-doos better? Don't know about that, a lot of guys shooting service rifle at the club I go to use the BAD lever.
Yep
>muh left-handed guest shooter
I don’t care. They can manage and it’s just range shooting anyways. My cousin is wrong handed and he figures it out.
>or "muh injured arm"
Sounds good on the surface. But if I’m in a situation with an injured right arm that’s so bad I can’t hold up a rifle and use my fingers, AND need to continue a gunfight, I have bigger issues than using less than ideal controls with my left hand. I doubt ambi controls is what keeps me alive there
I remember when these were 25 dollars lol.
Every Pony needs a Knight! KAC upper + Anderson lower.
Yep. I bought a half dozen on Black Friday many years ago at @ $25 a pop. I mean, why not... right?
I've built three into various configurations and all have functioned flawlessly.
No wonder I thought lowers were overpriced when I was looking recently. Even PSA is more expensive than that these days.
PSA used to be $119 for their basic complete lower with stock and a2 grip, $129 for the magpul stock and grip.
Cheapest is $130 right now with an adjustable stock with a "WOW IT WAS TOTALLY $350-430 AND NOW IT'S $130-140" """"sale"""" price. H&R $290 cheapest unless you want a blem at $270-280. Which sucks because I like the H&R rollmark over the PSA and already own an H&R lower (which may have been on sale, don't remember spending that much...).
As much as people shit on PSA they've been consistent in their pricing for a decade now. I would know, my first PSA I built in 2014.
>the more expensive ones are better!
>how?
>I-uh.. p-poorfag! You're just jealous of me!
Why are people like this? What has to go wrong in someone's life to make them this way?
>Why are people like this? What has to go wrong in someone's life to make them this way?
this is a known thing man.
onions boy NPCs with no identity or culture create pseudo identities about their refined tastes and collections of (x). They all hang out on plebbit, and pontificate about IPAs and funko pop tier goy slop.
It's all a mental exercise to avoid actually doing anything. because thinking about something and spending money is their form of action.
>because thinking about something and spending money is their form of action.
I'd argue its not thinking about something and spending money. They see paying a premium as someone else thinking for them. Its more money so it must be the best. No thinking required.
they are using their status of wealth as a cope for their shitty personalities and lack of empathy it's that simple.
see
All forged lowers come from the same few factories (Anchor-Harvey, Cerro, BAF etc), it really doesn't matter what "brand" of machined lower you're buying as long as it's in-spec
>time to spend more money on hoarding
People that buy Andersons tend to go budget on everything else as well and bring down the whole reputation of the brand with their shitty guns trying to save a buck
That said, I have had to file off a burr or two on my first lower. I'd rather pay the extra $30 for a better finish and ambi controls.
The PSA ones are often not only cheaper but have significantly better tolerances and anodizing. Anderson consistently has had the worst tolerances in my experience
hey i work there
anderson or rural king?
rural king
it pays
it pays
What's it like?
i don't want to be poor anymore
i don't want to buy poverty ponies
i'm applying for college rn and republicans will pay for my financial aid
Anderson lowers are crap.
most don't work correctly.
I have 3 that needed mods to feed, use mags, and lock back correctly.
but they were like $30 at the time so
lower doesn't matter
I don't believe you
can't find the pic, but the Anderson lowers have crap machining.
the mag catch was machined about 0.040in too high.
so the mag was too high in the mag well.
it would try to double feed because the bolt was riding the case. found mags with loser tolerances that worked only after swapping to MagPul keepers.
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2nd issue was the rear recoil spring derent hole was machined too far foreward.
had to use those offset pins to fix it.
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3rd issue was the hand grip bolt threads weren't tapped all the way in.
so you couldn't bolt up the grip.
had to modify the bolt.
or tap the threads all the way.
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again, they were stupid cheap so it's hard to complain.
Even though I haven't had any issues with the 2 Anderson lowers I have, I really don't recommend people buy them. They're known for having issues, and it seems like if you get one that doesn't have any, you got lucky.
Aero definitely has some QC issues, but they don't seem anywhere near as bad as Anderson. I wonder how the QC is on PSA's stripped lowers? I've seen those for like $50 pretty regularly in the past. If their QC is better than Anderson's, I don't see any reason to buy an Anderson lower.
Aero is about 10min away from my house.
but unfortunately buying semi Auto guns was banned recently in WA.
Yeah that sucks man. It's a shame that lawsuits move so slowly, because that shit is in direct violation of the Bruen decision.
I wonder if Aero regrets not moving out of Washington back when they moved their facilities in 2022. I know they've said on their social media that they have no plans to relocate out of WA despite the anti-gun stuff being enacted there. Obviously packing everything up and moving again so soon would be a monumental task, and would result in a ton of people losing their jobs, but WA's anti-gun stuff is probably going to be moving through the court system for years.
It's a gamble. Every company has lemons, but it's a matter of proportion, and it's not unusual for Anderson's stuff to be messed up in some way. Someone who knows what to look out for in regards to out of spec tolerances or other issues will be able to figure things out, but a lot of people simply don't know what to look out for or properly diagnose issues when they occur, and a lot of those people are first time buyers wanting to spend as little as possible.
Yeah, I think their lower parts are really nice. The only things I switched out on my Geisseles was the pistol grip. They had their own A2 style grip on them, which I didn't like at all. Swapped them out for Magpul K2 grips. I do wish Geissele used endplates with QD cups. No idea why they don't.
Anderson has sold probably hundreds of thousands of lowers, this is such hyperbole that most have issues. Yeah they probably have the most issues out of any lower but by no means are "most" anderson lowers bad.
No need to justify your purchase to strangers online bro
We know Anderson manufacturing is quick and cheap, I would never ever bet on their parts especially after I've seen my friend's pony pop an upper component while sitting out of spec with it's lower
If it works for you, good for you
nagger you're probably too young to remember this but there was a sizable batch that didn't even have the grip screw threading pitch correct. Anderson is bottom of the barrel for lowers. Yeah chances are you'll get one that's fine but they've absolutely had their share of QR fuckywuckies, to the point that those of us who remember them will just pay a bit extra for a more reliable offering like Aero.
Lying shill, Anderson fixed the grip screw thread issue. It was only one batch almost 10 years ago. I have 2 of them and you fix it by putting a shorter screw in them.
You get what you pay for, retards.
Why the fuck would you build an AR from parts in 2023? You are literally paying more for a worse product.
AR-15 lowers I own:
>Anderson
Bought a 2 pack of stripped Anderson lowers for like $60 back in the day. Haven't had any problems with either of them. The ones I have are low shelf cut, but Anderson does sell M16 pocket cut lowers as well.
>Aero Precision
I've bought 4 of Aero's M4E1 lowers, stripped. No problem with any of them. The flared magwell and built-in trigger guard are nice. All Aero lowers are low shelf cut.
>Geissele
I've purchased 2 complete Super Duty rifles. Pretty standard milspec style lowers. I like the lower parts Geissele makes, but the best part about their lowers is that they're M16 pocket cut. I know Geissele has had some QC issues in the past across their product line, but both of my Super Duty rifles have had no issues at all.
>ADM UIC
Really nice billet machined ambi lower. As far as billet ambi lowers go, I like this more than Radian's. ADM's "stripped" lowers come with the ambi controls pre-installed (except for selector). All of ADM's lowers have been low shelf cut in recent years, but were M16 pocket cut in the past. Definitely a shame they moved away from that. I really like these lowers, but ADM significantly raised the price this year, and that fucking sucks.
Ultimately I think the best bang for your buck is a stripped Aero lower, either their standard or M4E1, and then install whatever ambi parts you need/want. I'm right handed and like the bolt catch/release lever ADM has in their lowers, but really the Magpul BAD lever accomplishes the same thing and isn't an ND hazard if you're not a fucking idiot.
The Geissele lowers and parts kits are top notch but you're gonna pay a premium.
I should've mentioned, if you're willing to do a little machining on a lower, Aero's PDQ lever is very similar to ADM's lever. I've not done it myself, but it's a very cost effective alternative to the BAD lever if you don't fuck up machining the lower to install it.
Definitely. You can build a nicer gun from parts for what Geissele charges for complete rifles, but if you don't want to build something and wait for sales, they're nice rifles.
My Geissele lower is by far my favorite, I built it from a Geissele maritime parts kit, DDC burnt bronze coating, Geissele b
H1 buffer kit and SSA trigger.
>This nagger has at least 9 ARs
Dawg...
I'm planning on selling like half of them. My older and cheaper builds. I don't really need the money, but I rarely shoot the older ones anymore, so I might as well offer people some dirt cheap deals on them.
Lotta bitching about richfags but no one is posting their builds for some reason
Richfag here. Except I gucci'd it with surplus sling bayonet, cleaning rod and mag. Thats my batu raifu cuz my gf stole my chinese SKS because she liked it so its hers now.
Because
nailed it by pointing out that the kind of people who cheap out as much as possible on the lower tend to cheap out on everything else. They know that their entire setups are budget and that they'll get shit on. There's nothing wrong with a cheap lower since it'll do 99.99% of what anyone here will need it to do, but the kind of poster to gloat about how much better they are for having it is guaranteed to have cheap bullshit for the rest of the components as well.
ITT: poorfags justifying their inferior products because they feel morally obligated to defend shitty brands for whatever reason
Worked at my LGS for 1.5 years.
Had plenty of Anderson rifles and receivers.
Don't buy them.
I just bought two aero x15 lowers for 60 ea. I'm willing to spend another 10 dollars for that.
I recommend DSA lowers. They have a nice feature.
The actual intelligent choice.
wait till the anderson lowers go on sale for 29.95 like primary arms does at least 2 times a year
or
https://www.combatarmory.com/combat-armory-billet-ar-15-lower-receiver/
these go on sale too on regular basis for 29.95 but the metals on these is kinda soft so it will get scratched easily but works
>wait till the anderson lowers go on sale for 29.95 like primary arms does at least 2 times a year
meh, I doubt that's going to happen. 2024 is going to be a record buying year. WW3 may start soon.
>fear and scary
ar15s have gotten cheaper and cheaper bruh; OPs price sucks like fuck anyway considering shipping+(maybe) tax+ ffl costs
>ar15s have gotten cheaper and cheaper bruh
They've gone up in price since Trump left office. The fear and scary during Obama years created a huge demand and had tons of companies investing money to buy/upgrade their machining capabilities which churned out tons of stuff to meet demand. After Trump was elected the gun market cooled remarkably and we saw PSA rifle kits (everything but the lower) going for under $200. But now covid and Biden have have fucked with the market again so its back up, albeit not by a terrible amount.
>They've gone up in price since Trump left office.
not really, we are back to sub $400 ARs.
>we are back to sub $400 AR
We've been lower than that before!
I don't think I've ever seen sub $300 full ARs. if you have, I'd like to see it.
the last 5 haven't made a difference in prices.
we were back to $400 ars....
>mass shooter event
fuck; their goes all the ammo and guns before christmas 🙁
>They've gone up in price since Trump left office.
Yeah. Everything has. That’s what 15% inflation 2 years in a row does
I like the unbranded ar ambi lowers because you can get them engraved for a trust and art for cheap at the factory
General threads have been nothing but a blight on this board
>clearly never seen the wooden lower
That would be hilarious if it works
there was a video on youtube of a guy making an AK receiver from a shovel. funny.
>OPs price sucks like fuck anyway considering shipping+(maybe) tax+ ffl costs
$12 shipping and no FFL.
>>fear and scary
we are clearly in a crisis. your snide rebuttal just makes you look like a dipshit.
It works
>not linking the WOODEN glock video
>all these smelly fatasses coping when finding out dropping hundreds of dollarydoos on a lower doesn't make you an operator.
N0tdk
I put together my very own basic palmetto poverty pony as my first AR. My friends like it more than the fancy Ruger AR-556 I also have now.
Bought 5 for $25/each last year. Don’t know what to do with them. Already have a suppressed 11.5”
Anyone calling poverty pony lower respecters poors is a fucking homosexual and I unironically make more money than them and have 100 more guns than they do. You can 3d print a reliable lower nowadays lol a fucking pony is gtg.
Quality of a rifle lies in
>barrel
>bcg
Change my mind… oh wait you can’t because you’re wrong.
Got a MARS-L lower and it works perfectly fine.
Have a poverty pony lower and it works perfectly fine.
Have a plastic 80% I whipped up in the garage with a few beers and it works perfectly fine.