Possible ukrainan objectives for the offensive

Solid blue dot- What I am sure they will take in the following days.
dashed blue dot - Possible advances if they keep the momentum going.

What are the strategic implications of 4 months of gains vanishing in 72h together with all the frontline units in their area?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I believe they're going to push the Russians back in the north and east. I have no idea if they'll actually try and take the rebel areas or not but they honestly could be in the position to do it.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    way too ambitious, im willing to bet my left nut they didnt expect this much success in the first place.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That seems quite optimistic. We know the Russians have been pulling back, but we do not yet have proof of another Kyiv-style collapse.
    Honestly, some of the ridiculous claims are probably made by Russhits so that they can come back in two weeks and say "haha, the hato pigs thought we'd moscow while we actually only lost donetsk".

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Aw.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh so that's why he did it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even fucking Kim wont shake his hand. Putin has had a hard life hasn't he PrepHole ?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It seems they haven't even tried to cross the river yet, even though right now would be the most ideal time since russian forces are in disarray and probably could not respond, so i think they want to first march north and clean up the rest of Khrakiv

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >haven't even tried to cross the river yet
      which one? the siversky donets or the oskil? not that it matters, because they've taken lyman which is on the other side of both rivers. and according to russian telegram the ukrainians crossed the siversky donets south of the reservoir early last night, and are heading towards vovchansk, which is why the russian government that had evacuated kupyansk for vovchansk two days ago announced this morning that they were evacuating from vovchansk to st petersburg.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think they are going to even attempt going that far in the first place and high command is probably panicking from how the Russians are just leaving and they are taking everything potentially past their initial plans rto begin with. Thus enticing their own inexperienced soldiers to take the "initiative" into overextending past the planned marker.

    Even if they planned to take what they did, they probably didn't expect it within 24 hours from mass-retreating by what seems to be the worst soldiers in the entire theatre left there to their own devices.

    And I don't think they are going to even attempt the second marker. I suspect they just intended to push them away from Kharkiv to remove the northern threat, not actually make real advances.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bro you're delusional. Clearing the Izyum-Lyman pocket would be already huge. And crossing Oskil with heavy armour would be risky as fuck.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      According to another thread they've already crossed the Oskil

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hhahahahahahahah

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There is no pocket left, they're all wiped out. And they've already crossed the Oskil.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you have to keep up, youre like 2 days behind.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Giving up land in exchange of time is the traditional Russian strategy.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, but it's a strategy for surviving an invasion, not a strategy for carrying out an invasion.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Inflation must've hit them in that department too, because these exchange rates are fucking insane. What are they at, a square kilometer every ten minutes? Gotta be even higher than that at the current pace.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only makes sense if they aren't out running their supplies and indirect fire support.

    Yes, it makes sense to take advantage of the rout and panic, they can make it snowball, but not if it means being totally out on a limb.

    It really depends on what they have available. With the rate of the gains and size of the forces engage, perhaps they were able to position a sizeable force for this effort without Russian detection. If that is the case, and they have the resources to push, then it would be a great time to do so.

    The general panic will escalate and you're much more likely to get people at the front surrendering if they think they're cut off, even if the Ukrainians lack the combat power to reduce the encirclments

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well also, it makes sense to focus on leaving enough of a presence to capture fleeing soldiers and their equipment. The game changer here would be if enough men and material is lost that Russia is not able to recover.

      Ukraine is still bringing in more soldiers from training and still getting new hardware. A major loss of artillery, even if Ukraine only has time to destroy the guns, might end the war.

      Russia's morale issues suggest they cannot hold the line if they do not have a firepower advantage.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they're better off consolidating north and south right now, before the fall muddy season hits. going straight east is tempting but the rivers flow the wrong way - not that they'd find pontooning difficult given the russian's current panic - but pontoon bridges aren't nearly as fast to traverse as a nice concrete bridge, also going east strains their supply lines more than going north and south.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Possible ukrainan objectives
    I am like 99% sure they've long exceeded whatever they set down as their goals beforehand. Did anybody expect the moskals to implode this hard?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The danger now is that the Ukrainians may overextending themselves and result in a disaster.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The danger now is that the Ukrainians may overextending themselves and result in a disaster.
        They have much better situated supply lines and are running over abandoned Russian supplies into completely abandoned territory. As long as they don't go full berserker and charge straight into the Luhansk People's Republic, they're fine.

        And as high as their morale is, they might even be fine then.

        So, what are PrepHole's long term predictions?

        >So, what are PrepHole's long term predictions?
        Either expeditionary spam the south with the goal of taking the east coast of the river and Kherson's rear so they can do boat nonsense cause no bridges or they focus down the Republics one at a time and get them to peace out. I feel like they'll at the least want Crimea's neck before DPR, but LPR can get fucked whenever they feel like it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon...they're on the outskirts of Lyschansk already.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Anon...they're on the outskirts of Lyschansk already.
            I stand by everything I said. Literally doesn't fucking matter. They could be outside Moscow and I'd say keep going as long as they aren't hitting serious resistance and keep getting supplies and prisoners. They can always fall back and blow to shit anything they couldn't carry on the way back. Long as they remain in contact with eachother and nobody drives into a pocket or an artillery killbox, it's fine.

            And nobody's going to drive into a pocket or artillery killbox with NATO's spooks guiding them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russia doesn't appear to have anything to throw at them any time soon so probably not. Some advance units might get cut off and smoked of course but I don't see how an immediate reversal could happen.

        Most likely the Oskil river line up to Kupyansk is Ukraine's for the forseeable future even if they overextend and get beaten up

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There are multiple reports and videos that the hastily assembled '3rd Corps' with their distinctive combined V and O markings, have already been wiped out. Things are probably going better than anybody, even the Ukrainians expected.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I doubt they will go very deep into northern Luhanks region, it's probably too difficult to defend and was likely abandoned because of that during this spring. On the other hand this offensive took off the pressure from the troops down south in Donbas.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So, what are PrepHole's long term predictions?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      extinction of russian statehood

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Personally I hope after the war, there will be porn studios making russian femboy conscipt riding ukraine dick style porn. Maybe doing it in a top of a himars rocket

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Everything north of the Siversky Donetsk by winter.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Possible ukrainan objectives for the offensive
    Trying to capture the 10k+ Russians that were just left for dead around Izyum alive, I'm sure.

    Absolute best case scenario, they might be able to get them to defect en masse, or at least get them to surrender en masse and some to defect. Traitor units are good propaganda tools.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Risky, as it means outdistancing your artillery and back up, but maybe worth it if it keeps the rout going. I mean, if that entire section of front hears they are cut off from supplies they should just dig in and await relief, but if they panic and begin destroying their artillery or trying to pull back it is perfect. Ukrainian line can advance via attacks of opportunity, and capturing or destroying a large amount of Russian artillery, or getting panicked Russians to destroy it, is the quickest way to end the war.

      Given the state of morale in the Russian forces, they simply will not fight if they don't have that huge fire power advantage they have had most of the time. This would mean actually engaging the enemy with small arms for defense, and this seems like it would simply cause more routs.

      Russia has been able to deal with its manpower shortage only because of its huge firepower advantage, which is now at risk. Without it they would appear to be the lower morale force facing an enemy with a large numerical advantage.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Didnt the bridge at Kupiansk across the Oskil get blown up by the Ukrainians? Seems to imply they dont intend to cross it yet.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there are more bridges and with Izium + Lyman gone they'll be able to push without having to worry about being surrounded

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can see them make a go for Svatove, there don't seem to be many settlements on the other side of the Oskil between Kupiansk and Svatove, but other than that, they'd probably stop and consolidate west of the Oskil, maybe push north to give Belgorod and Valyuki a scare.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      might overstrech the ukranian lines a bit too much

      a bit too risky to be plausible

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >twitter/discord retards planning military operations and thinking it's plausible because the distance is "short" and you're conducting "maneuver warfare" by attacking logistical hubs
      This is the same line of retarded thinking that people have been doing when saying "at this rate, the Russians will take Ukraine in 70+ years" as if that is an intelligent take at all in any way whatsoever. The Russians royally fucked themselves with the initial invasion thinking it would be Crimea 2.0 and labelling it as a SMO that limits the Russian government from sending in conscripts, conscripts that kind of sort of make up the bulk of their fucking infantry force.

      This is also personally why I would wait to give this counteroffensive an actual take since the Russians have recently bolstered their forces with training battalions; allegedly comprising a Corps to multiple Corps worth of said battalions that are actually filled with infantry and are capable. There is still a very legitimate chance because of this that the Russians are possibly baiting the Ukrainians with a withdrawal and potential defeat in detail when in reality they're just luring them into pockets to encircle.

      This theory would be further justified if it turns out that the majority of vehicles being left behind are just cheap logistical trucks or LNR/DPR vehicles and their ammo dumps turn out to only be a days worth of supplies i.e. not really important levels of supplies left behind to make it look like they're fleeing for their lives. - If of course it comes out these supply dumps where fucking massive and entire armored columns where abandoned e.g. Iraq circa 03 then this is definitely looking to be another big oof for the Russians.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >coping in progress, there is no panic.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Stop huffing that copium before it's too late, anon.

          >no argument
          >[insert_memetic_response#238]
          Okay

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >no Izyum
            >[insert_memetic_cope#42069]
            Okay.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He's not wrong. Fog of war. Some gains could be false flagged. From some angles, Russia's only hope is to lure Ukraine into over extending itself. That said, if it looks like a rout, if it smells like a rout, if it sounds like a rout...

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Stop huffing that copium before it's too late, anon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the Russians have recently bolstered their forces with training battalions
      No fucking way. Have they really? Source? This move would be BEYOND retarded and eliminate the option of full mobilization. You need your trainers to raise new troops. If they're gone you're fucked for years AT A MINIMUM.

      Imagine if they actually went ahead and did this. Please link me to something that actually confirms this.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oops. Meant for

        https://i.imgur.com/497Uvtm.jpg

        >twitter/discord retards planning military operations and thinking it's plausible because the distance is "short" and you're conducting "maneuver warfare" by attacking logistical hubs
        This is the same line of retarded thinking that people have been doing when saying "at this rate, the Russians will take Ukraine in 70+ years" as if that is an intelligent take at all in any way whatsoever. The Russians royally fucked themselves with the initial invasion thinking it would be Crimea 2.0 and labelling it as a SMO that limits the Russian government from sending in conscripts, conscripts that kind of sort of make up the bulk of their fucking infantry force.

        This is also personally why I would wait to give this counteroffensive an actual take since the Russians have recently bolstered their forces with training battalions; allegedly comprising a Corps to multiple Corps worth of said battalions that are actually filled with infantry and are capable. There is still a very legitimate chance because of this that the Russians are possibly baiting the Ukrainians with a withdrawal and potential defeat in detail when in reality they're just luring them into pockets to encircle.

        This theory would be further justified if it turns out that the majority of vehicles being left behind are just cheap logistical trucks or LNR/DPR vehicles and their ammo dumps turn out to only be a days worth of supplies i.e. not really important levels of supplies left behind to make it look like they're fleeing for their lives. - If of course it comes out these supply dumps where fucking massive and entire armored columns where abandoned e.g. Iraq circa 03 then this is definitely looking to be another big oof for the Russians.

        .

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With all of the buildup the Russians have been doing in the past couple of months, I highly doubt the Russians are being "routed" during this counteroffensive.
    >inb4 bot response

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Running away and leaving massive amounts of vehicles, equipment, and ammo in the span of a few days isnt a rout because...it just isnt ok?!
      Cope harder

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        big chunk of that got nullified with the kherson trap which is why the northern front just bailed.

        They must have lost 20% or more of their total circulating equipment in kherson, men can ferry back, but not the ammo

        They're literally leaving whole ammo dumps intact
        They're not simply retreating to a more defensible position, then counterattacking, they're leaving the defensible positions too

        >Hostomel was a slaughter where 50,000 VDV died
        bro's be cool, you gotta wait a few days to even a few weeks to see what the fuck is actually going on.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      big chunk of that got nullified with the kherson trap which is why the northern front just bailed.

      They must have lost 20% or more of their total circulating equipment in kherson, men can ferry back, but not the ammo

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're literally leaving whole ammo dumps intact
      They're not simply retreating to a more defensible position, then counterattacking, they're leaving the defensible positions too

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're very clearly being routed locally at least. We have:
      >A flood of new pictures of undamaged abandoned vehicles. Also pictures of abandoned stockpiles of supplies.
      >Videos of chaotic flights
      >Telegraph doom posting about a rout
      >Videos of civilians fleeing and getting blocked by military vehicles also headed up towards the border.

      It might be getting blown out of proportion by panicked milbloggers and Ukie cheerleaders, but it is clear that some places are routing. That the MoD did a surprise announcement that they are pulling the plug on an entire large axis of their effort suggests it is a large rout, as does the flight of government officials.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Capturing Izyum is already a major operation, I don't think they planned on going too far beyond the Oskil river.
    On the other hand, if there are really that few Russian troops in the area, this could turn into something like Operation Compass, where the British initial attack was so successful that they kept going and routed the entire Italian army.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, this seemed too easy. The taken area needs to be secured, and defenses need to dig in to hold it.
    They also need to be careful not to be caught between two rivers. They need manpower to support this.

    I wonder if they will move into Luhansk, the last time I heard the LPR troops were just used to stand and defend after the official borders of the county were taken, maybe they don't want to give the Russians an excuse to use that manpower again.

    But they want to take everything back eventually, so that's also a question. If not now, then when and how.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If dubs Russia surrenders the twin cities next week.
    Thread theme:

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Rerolling for Ukrainian keikaku.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hearty chuckle.

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