Poles are hoarding extraordinary amount of weapons

https://wiadomosci.radiozet.pl/Polska/Blaszczak-oglasza-ogromny-zakup.-Samoloty-FA-50-czolgi-K2-i-haubice-K9-dla-armii
>Next week, we will sign an agreement with South Korea on the purchase of K2 tanks, K9 cannon howitzers and three FA-50 squadrons. The first cannon-howitzers and tanks will be delivered to Poland this year, the planes - next year - said Deputy Prime Minister, head of the Ministry of National Defense, Mariusz Błaszczak.

A single squadron consists of 16 aircrafts so that's 48 FA-50 in total. Also, more tank and armoured vehicles deals will ensue and it will be the single largest arms deal in the history of the country. At this rate they might own the most powerful land forces in Europe soon.
Is Poland going to save Europe once again?

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What do you mean once again?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poles assraped turk churkas in the Vienna siege. Good shit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Soviet Polish War
        >Siege of Vienna
        The Poles have saved Europe from Muslims and communists and for that they are based.

        >unironically claiming Vienna
        Pretty pathetic if you actually read about it and how Austria was actually the one wearing the Ottoman army down.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Soviet Polish War
      >Siege of Vienna
      The Poles have saved Europe from Muslims and communists and for that they are based.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How did they save Europe from commies? They became commies themselves 20 years later.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Read on communist uprising in germany

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They stopped one Soviet invasion after WW1 but failed to stop both Nazi Germany and the USSR two decades later. They tried in 1939 but the situation unfortunately was hopeless.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >failed to stop nazi germany
            FTFY

            Vatniks only attacked polaks after over two weeks of the german invasion start. Curiously just when the Wehrmacht had time to destroy the bulk of the polish army. Total coincidence, I am sure. Specially with how extraordinary terrifying their performance was in the Winter War that followed closely.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s like Gohan finally doing something useful.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You know they beat Russia in 1920 and basically stopped Germany from going commie right?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, i didnt learn that in school

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          polish-soviet war
          they were supposed to link up with german communist and start an europe wide communist uprising

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They also invaded Lithuania using Russian-tier arguments, refused to leave and ended up slaughtering civies.
        Also invaded Western Ukraine
        Also invaded Czechoslovakia for a small region they legally obtained.
        Around polacks, never relax

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Also invaded Czechoslovakia for a small region they legally obtained.
          ""legally"" obtained by annexing it while Poles were busy fighting of bolshevik invasion

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, "legally" as in a legal referendum Poles agreed on.

            Reminder that Poland was pretty happy with Hitler invading the Sudetenland, since they took the opportunity to send an ultimatum to Czechoslovakia and annex Zaolzie in 1938.
            They also sent an ultimatum to Lithuania in 1938 to force them to stop pushing claims over Vilnius, this time using Anschluss, they felt the international community wouldn't care about Lithuania while Germany was annexing Austria.

            Poles = Russians.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              that's funny, since the referendum never wen through
              https://mjp.univ-perp.fr/traites/1920teschen.htm

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Silesia is rightful Czech clay. You only have it because Czechs don't want to babysit the bydlo living there.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Czech here, I am willing to go into armed conflict with Poland if Poles refuse to take Ostrava and Bohumin.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                but those are your cities

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You heard me, armed conflict.

                What's wrong with Ostrava?

                >What's wrong with Ostrava
                Yes.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We don't need them. They are full of Czech people.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's wrong with Ostrava?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's just a butthurt Pražák

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ostravaks refuse to fix their shit beer and thus they deserve the title of honorary Poles.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We've fixed our beers in Poland

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Lots of breweries sold to Heineken

                uhhhh....

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Craft beer is where it's at, we have plenty of good choices there.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even the more local breweries get sold off bit by bit tho. As long as its dark and above 5,5%° I would be fine with that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pole here I'm going to ostrava today to recon our new lands

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Zaolzie
            >Ok it's yours, but Poles live there so we must invade and take it anyway
            Literally the same argument Pootin used for Donbabwe, congrats
            Also
            >Danzig
            >Part of Prussia for centuries
            >Never been Polish
            >95% German
            >"REEEEE GERMANS CAN'T HAVE IT, IT'S OURS"

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Horst Magomedovich Katsapov confuses Prussia with Electorate of Brandenburg/Prussian Kingdom - the post.

              Royal Prussia was stolen by Kindgom of Prussia only during partition of 1772 and even then without Gdańsk, which was fief of Polish Crown until 1793, when it was also stolen by that katamite Old Fritz. Gdańsk had little to to with German Reich or Prussian Kingdom up to that point.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Danzig is not Polish, never was.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                xD It was Polish at least since 997 when St Adalbert of Prague was in Danzig during his pilgrimage.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And the fucked thing is that Ukranians fought alongside the Poles, but Poland annex their territory. LOL, that's why Bandera and many hated Poland at that time, not to mention that Poland treated Ukranians like dogs, just like russians and were the elite of Ukraine, specially West

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gohan saved the world multiple times. First against Raditz, second against, Vegeta, third against Frieza, fourth against, Cell. He jobbed on Buu.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wasn't sure about the FA-50 but supposedly they are 20 million $ and will be for army not air force sort of like attack helis. This may be a good idea.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://wpolityce.pl/polityka/607702-pplk-platek-fa-50-pl-niewiele-bedzie-odstawal-od-f-16
      They're putting them as buddies with the existing F-16s since they're both aircrafts are interoperable via Link-16 and the manufacturer is same. Above all, the block 20 is forthcoming with AMRAAM and HMD.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://wpolityce.pl/polityka/607702-pplk-platek-fa-50-pl-niewiele-bedzie-odstawal-od-f-16
      They're putting them as buddies with the existing F-16s since they're both aircrafts are interoperable via Link-16 and the manufacturer is same. Above all, the block 20 is forthcoming with AMRAAM and HMD.

      Also, I heard they're planning on changing the engine to F-414 which will increase the thrust to ratio significantly and will actually enable super cruising.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is the FA 50 airframe suitable for supercruising?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Up to mach 1.5 yeah.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ur pic says thailand u asshole

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Konigsberg is polish clay

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its called Królewiec, and yes, it will be ours if Jesus, Virgin Mary and most importantly The Most Holy Papiesz Saint John Paul II, Wadowicki Creampie be upon him, will it to happen. Weapons were ordered, solemn oaths were made and sacrificial blood of Pies Murzyn was spilled in many churches across homeland.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >blood of Pies Murzyn was spilled in many churches across homeland.
        Now im all in for full scale war with kacaps, but hands off of my grandma dog.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What can I say Anon, Beast from Vadovitz demanded blood and it was either Murzyn or Edyta Górniak. Several of the most accomplished Episcopate necromancers suffered bouts of madness during the summoning ritual. Its but a small price to pay for His Dark Graces.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            .peel
            Papierz jokes are already run to the ground and not funny

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Such grave matters are no joke Anon, the fate of whole nations depends on arcane intercession of our Church. Even as we speak, the most horrible battles are being fought beyond the veil of your perception.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder where the money comes from

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sorry your dogecoin crashed. Make sure you're up bright and early for the breakfast shift.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      denbts
      poland had a reasonable level of debt to gdp before, better than most european countries

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      germoney

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok, so they are going to donate it to Ukies or what?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, Poland is building a 300k top of the line military.
      However, they'll probably donate everything that's not up to the standards and currently employed.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Where will they get those 170k extra troops from?
        >top of the line
        A Poleanon described how they're training reserve NCOs in under 6 weeks during summer, the way he described it didn't sound "top of the line" at all.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Where will they get those 170k extra troops from?
          Females and refugees.
          ...What?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Better than the five days russia troops are getting.
          Do we know any details about local production of the fighter? Knock down kits and the like?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Vatnik removal 2.0 - Lebensraum edition

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    K2 and K9 are understandable purchases, but FA-50 is bad decision. Should have bought more F-16

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FA-50 is much cheaper and it's only to fill in for the MiGs and SUs sent to Ukraine. Poland is waiting for F-35s anyway.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we should have bought f-15s so we can add to the killcount

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can get 4 FA-50 for the price of one F-16. They are also much smaller lighter vehicles that can operate from small airfields or even roads. They also have similar payload to Su-25 with 10x better choices of weapons and with block 20 decent AA capability. As CAS planes for army they make perfect sense.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >FA-50
        are we retarded?

        FA-50 has a max payload of 5.5t, that's more than a ton and a half heavier than Su-25. Not quite 'light' in terms of weapon wise. Also pic related are what it can integrated with.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's literally a baby F-16

          We already have those. And TWO SQUADRONS? Almost as much as the F-35?
          Don't kid yourself, those are primarily trainers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The M-346 is under powered and under armed than the FA-50, would you care to look up for yourself?
            >M-346
            >Max takeoff weight: 9,600 kg (21,164 lb) trainer
            >FA-50
            >Max takeoff weight: 12,300 kg (27,117 lb)
            Plus, the fact that FA-50 has a max speed if mach 1.5 compared to 0.95 of M-346 is a huge advantage, people are forgetting that in order to launch a BVR missile you need an initial acceleration by the aircraft.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              why not just buy more F-16's at that point?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                F-16 is 90 million $ no point getting more when F-35 is similar price.

                Poland is getting FA-50 for 20 million $.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >already own a traimer (M-346)
                >already own a "lo" jet (F-16 and F-16V)

                Why tf are they buying the FA-50, a jet that doesn't even have an AESA radar implemented and is less capable then their MiG-29's?

                >already has T-84/PT-91
                >orders M1 Abrams

                Why tf are they buying K-2 BP's, to add to their quagmire of numerous different tank types firing numerous different ammunition types?

                >most powerful land force in EU

                That's either France or UK.

                is getting FA-50 for 20 million $.

                FA-50 costing just 20-30 million is pretty crazy when new AH-64 costs 60-90 million. Attack helicopters are really becoming obsolete.

                >>FA-50 costing just 20-30 million

                I guarantee you that is not the final price. $20m is ridiculous.
                Indonesia paid $40m per unit and that's for the most basic variant with a decrepit radar FCS system.

                It would make more sense for them to buy used Belgian/Netherlands/ANG F-16's and update/upgrade them locally. Offload their MiG's to Ukraine and get priority F-35's and F-16V's.
                Operate a Hi-Lo-Trainer mix of F-35's, F-16V's and armed M-346's.

                In terms of tanks they could offload their older stocks to Ukraine and then upgrade to newer Abrams and get some sort of local production/overhaul deal.

                The only way the SK deal makes sense is if they get full and absolute ToT and can start manufacturing their own weapons 100% within a decade - very unlikely as Lockmart will almost certainly match ToT for F-16's and likewise for Abrams.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why tf are they buying K-2 BP's, to add to their quagmire of numerous different tank types firing numerous different ammunition types?

                All post soviet shit is going to Ukraine. They will end up with only Abrams and K2 and both use the same 120mm ammo. Maybe they will even integrate KSTAM for Abrams.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But why have both? The both use entirely different armor/drive train tech, meaning two different sets of mechanics are required, two entirely unique (Aside from ammo) logistical chains down to the fuel. It's insane.

                If they need shit right now they should have taken up the UK's offer and allowed more Challys in the short term.

                For a moment I pondered the idea that Poland was trying to emulate SK's ability to use both USSR/Nato equipment whilst balancing domestic production, but after closer research it still seems insane. Sorks don't even use Abrams. Most of Sork USSR equipment is given to second-rate units and would almost always avoid main combat.

                It's bewildering.There's either serious money under the table (which is a given considering Ukraine transferred most of their gold reserves under the table) or a massive, secretice, transfer/share of knowledge to "kick-start" Poland's shift to a nato-style domestic arms industry.

                Or more than likely, both.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There's either serious money under the table
                South Korea and Poland are not known for their corruption. Don't they rank amongst the first 5 in anti corruption indexes?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah but if you're corrupt enough you could bribe whoever runs the index.

                Also I'm pretty sure South Korea's ex leader was directly manipulated (openly?) by some sort of secret society who was supposedly in contact with her dead brother? Idk if that counts as corrupt but it's literally Rasputin-tier fuckery.

                https://i.imgur.com/duA9Tjg.jpg

                Funniest shit is Polish nazi's who hate immigrants, when they're the morons who immigrate across the EU. That being said some of the Poles I know work hard as fuck. 2 6 hour jobs a day and then go straight home to beat their wives and send all the money home to rebuild Poland.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This index always make me wonder how can Germany, UK, France, Italy, Austria be so high on that list while having (ex)politicians working in Russian gas companies

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To my knowledge no ex politician of any country you listed still works for Russian gas companies.

                Besides, ranking high doesn't mean those countries have no corruption at all. Getting rid of small time corruption and punishing large scale corruption is enough to rank high.

                Ever tried to grease the hand of a German tax man, Austrian building inspector or UK traffic police? Not going to happen.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Why tf are they buying the FA-50, a jet that doesn't even have an AESA radar implemented and is less capable then their MiG-29's?
                Because the AESA is ready and is only waiting to be integrated by the manufacturer, Raytheon is openly making PRs on it.
                >That's either France or UK.
                France and UK have never owned ground forces of this size since the end of cold war.
                >I guarantee you that is not the final price. $20m is ridiculous.
                Indonesia paid $40m per unit and that's for the most basic variant with a decrepit radar FCS system.
                Which is why I assume this is not all of the contract but rather a down payment until the block 20 is finished, making sure that it won't get robbed. KAI has been making promises that it should be ready until 2024.
                >It would make more sense for them to buy used Belgian/Netherlands/ANG F-16
                There are no second hand F-16 on sale at the moment and the numbers aren't enough.
                >Offload their MiG's to Ukraine and get priority F-35's and F-16V's
                Can't since both the F-35 and F-16 lines are queued up to the limit and there's no way to get ahead of the US orders.
                >In terms of tanks they could offload their older stocks to Ukraine and then upgrade to newer Abrams and get some sort of local production/overhaul deal.
                The US won't allow Abrams to be modified by anyone without a permission, plus, no ToT.
                >The only way the SK deal makes sense is if they get full and absolute ToT and can start manufacturing their own weapons 100% within a decade - very unlikely as Lockmart will almost certainly match ToT for F-16's and likewise for Abrams.
                Actually, LM's involvement itself is already an advantage for FA-50 since it can simply recycle data from F-16 if there's any upgrade needs to be made, which immensely saves both money and time.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >France and UK have never owned ground forces of this size since the end of cold war.
                You have more Tanks, IFVs and artillery, but that's pretty much it. You have far less troops, far less recon (France alone has about 4x more recon and fire support assets than Poland), far less APCs (Again, France has about 6x more APCs than Poland), at least 3x less helicopters, and older models too.
                What France and the UK lack in tanks and artillery they compensate in air support, and as we've seen so far with Rushits, any decent airforce would have mopped the floor and ended the war months ago.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In addition to that, The majority of your tanks are T-72s and PT-91s, you have about as many Leos as France and the UK have Leclerc and Chally. The overall number isn't expected to grow if you're replacing older assets.
                And IFVs, oh god, 75% of your IFVs are rusty BMP-1s.
                Poland is on a shopping spree to modernize its military from 70s standards to 2010s standards. Any "Poland is gonna have the most powerful ground army in Europe" is just shilling from Duda's internet brigade.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >AESA is ready and is only waiting to be integrated by the manufacturer,
                Not for less than $50m a pop
                >ground forces of this size
                If size is what we're going for then Russia wins but they've just proven size is meaningless.
                >down payment
                At which point surely used/upgraded F-16's are a better offer
                >no second hand F-16 sales
                Belgium is selling it's F-16 and so are Netherlands, they're going solely for the F-35 which a lot of countries are doing. ANG is also wanting to offload their older stocks.
                >lines queued up
                Perfect time for them to open up new lines to satisfy new demand from Eastern Europe, with Poland positioning themselves as a new regional assembly/maintenance hub.
                >no ToT on abrams
                True but I think they could be pushed to concessions with a significantly large enough order.
                >Actually, LM's involvement itself is already an advantage for FA-50 since it can simply recycle data from F-16 i
                data is one thing but it makes no logistical sense for Poland to operate ANOTHER airframe with a whole new engine and supply chain. Unless they're building locally.

                Lol the A10 is air-to-ground, the FA50 is a 4th gen dog fighter that can pull 8+ gs, one FA50 would shoot down 100 A10s in air-to-air combat

                >4th gen dog fighter
                Underpowered and with an ancient radar.

                The reality is FA50 > F16, and even though its almost 2x more expensive the difference is substantial

                F/A-50 can't hold a candle to even Block 30 F-16's.

                >less capable then their MiG-29
                >different ammunition types
                >buy used Belgian/Netherlands/ANG F-16'
                >get priority F-35's and F-16V's

                This post if full of bs, holly fuck

                What part is BS. When East German/Polish MiG's went up against the latest F-16's in the 90's (post USSR) the West were gobsmacked at the abilities the MiG possesed. Their off-bore targeting and HMD systems were insane at the time. They can carry more and have better range than the F/A-50 AND are already integrated with certain NATO comms/gps systems and weaponry.

                https://i.imgur.com/RFLQGHx.jpg

                >Subsonic

                HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

                >slower and more expensive than 30 year old F-16

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are not up to date with your knowledge this anon is right

                >Why tf are they buying the FA-50, a jet that doesn't even have an AESA radar implemented and is less capable then their MiG-29's?
                Because the AESA is ready and is only waiting to be integrated by the manufacturer, Raytheon is openly making PRs on it.
                >That's either France or UK.
                France and UK have never owned ground forces of this size since the end of cold war.
                >I guarantee you that is not the final price. $20m is ridiculous.
                Indonesia paid $40m per unit and that's for the most basic variant with a decrepit radar FCS system.
                Which is why I assume this is not all of the contract but rather a down payment until the block 20 is finished, making sure that it won't get robbed. KAI has been making promises that it should be ready until 2024.
                >It would make more sense for them to buy used Belgian/Netherlands/ANG F-16
                There are no second hand F-16 on sale at the moment and the numbers aren't enough.
                >Offload their MiG's to Ukraine and get priority F-35's and F-16V's
                Can't since both the F-35 and F-16 lines are queued up to the limit and there's no way to get ahead of the US orders.
                >In terms of tanks they could offload their older stocks to Ukraine and then upgrade to newer Abrams and get some sort of local production/overhaul deal.
                The US won't allow Abrams to be modified by anyone without a permission, plus, no ToT.
                >The only way the SK deal makes sense is if they get full and absolute ToT and can start manufacturing their own weapons 100% within a decade - very unlikely as Lockmart will almost certainly match ToT for F-16's and likewise for Abrams.
                Actually, LM's involvement itself is already an advantage for FA-50 since it can simply recycle data from F-16 if there's any upgrade needs to be made, which immensely saves both money and time.

                MoD wanted more F-34, but waiting line is to long, F-16 are much more expensive and only available now are those from US desert

                >Belgium is selling it's F-16 and so are Netherlands
                They will not, everybody is buying now.

                >What part is BS
                >When East German/Polish MiG's went up against the latest F-16's in the 90's (post USSR) the West were gobsmacked at the abilities the MiG possesed.

                Do you understand it was 30 years ago? Lifetime of those is ending now, parts and ammunition is made in Russia, so there is now way to procure them. It's dead end like t-72 tank family

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                F22 is slower and more expensive than the F15, idiots like you think the F15 would mog an F22 lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >less capable then their MiG-29
                >different ammunition types
                >buy used Belgian/Netherlands/ANG F-16'
                >get priority F-35's and F-16V's

                This post if full of bs, holly fuck

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol F16s can be purchased for as low as $10 million stripped down, fully equiped maybe $25 million, FA50 is $30 million

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because the production lines are all queued up and there will be no more second hand F-16s left. Also FA-50 is orders of magnitude cheaper than other fighters while the fuselage itself is designed to be able to hold up as much as F-16 when fully vitalized. Overall, it really is an outright replica of F-16.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you see Kyung
                >if we take the F-16
                >and split the intake
                >we can call it our own design

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The reality is FA50 > F16, and even though its almost 2x more expensive the difference is substantial

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Also, the fact that the T-50 was born heavily affiliated with LM will allow it to an ease of upgrades in the future and compatibility with F-16. It's alread working on luring the USAF as the biggest customer of it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Subsonic

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FA-50 are for the land forces and they will be flying with Brimstones. It's basically replacement for attack helicopters since they are performing like shit in Ukraine.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's basically replacement for attack helicopters since they are performing like shit in Ukraine.
        Are poles still using soviet copters?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Some old Mi's yes. They were supposed to be replaced by 32 new Apaches or Cobras but this deal seems to be delayed if not outright cancelled.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are Souf Korean weapons good?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes, they are serious about defense industry given their geopolitical situation

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      their capital is within NK arty range so they have a constant fire under their asses and have had to develop stuff that actually works

      tech is pretty close to top of the line

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tech is pretty close to top of the line
        That's not true in the slightest though.
        They're leagues behind the west and couldn't even design a simple autoloader for their artillery that doesn't omit the 3 unnecessary steps and partial hand loading they included for no reason.
        Their military technology is at best functional.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Which American howitzer has a full autoloader? Hell, i don't think there's a single full auto tracked spg in the west

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Crusader did.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Prototype

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          K9 is the best choice you can get right now. PzH2000 may be a bit better but they cost over 2x more. M109 is not even close to either.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Still better than anything they'll face or be up against but yeah

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          K2, K9, Redbacks best in the world today and not really close

          Even the daewoo K2 assault rifle is the best military grade assault

          Keep in mind all of the above are also most expensive in each category by a fairly wide margin

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            K2 is almost 2x the cost of Leopard 2, $9 million ve $5 million

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >K2 is almost 2x the cost of Leopard 2
              Maybe if it were 40 years ago then that would be true. But, no, K2 is still cheaper and has an active production line and supply chain that can churn out 200 tanks a year.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Should have made this a reality tbqdesu

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >buddy

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No it seems there's a tacit agreement that Poles would handle the main EU "army" or sorts, at least in Eastern Europe, since France is often preoccupied with Africa, and Germany is Germany

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they're planning something

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Call me when their gun ownership rates aren't among the lowest in Europe anymore, maybe polish posters won't be 99% 4chantourists then.
    Shout out to the 3 poles on PrepHole who were here before the war even if only 2 of them own guns. You're alright.
    The rest has to leave though.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The rest has to leave though.
      No.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Buy a gun then. The war won't last forever and if you haven't integrated into PrepHole culture by then and keep on using it as a 4chan alternative you'll just ruin the board with armatard tier threads without rhyme or reason and only born from butthurt.
        Get interested in guns, start using them. Then shit on guns you don't use and call people who primarily use ARs and/or AKs gays like normal posters as you talk about why your handgun of choice is superior to another handgun despite the fact that nowadays there is barely any meaningful difference among them in practical use.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          (Also stop being so angry/depressed all the time it'll ruin our chances to get one of the boards with a large female population for the next prom and we can't just keep pityfucking PrepHole.)

          >posts bait 'No'

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >/pol/posting on PrepHole
            It's like that sorrow movie with the anal worms in Antarctica.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Buy a gun then. The war won't last forever and if you haven't integrated into PrepHole culture by then and keep on using it as a 4chan alternative you'll just ruin the board with armatard tier threads without rhyme or reason and only born from butthurt.
        Get interested in guns, start using them. Then shit on guns you don't use and call people who primarily use ARs and/or AKs gays like normal posters as you talk about why your handgun of choice is superior to another handgun despite the fact that nowadays there is barely any meaningful difference among them in practical use.

        (Also stop being so angry/depressed all the time it'll ruin our chances to get one of the boards with a large female population for the next prom and we can't just keep pityfucking PrepHole.)

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's mutts paying and propping up poles to keep germoid+russia alliance from happening

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >FA-50
    are we retarded?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's literally a baby F-16

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those things with 12 brimstones are going to be a tank nightmare.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I cant be the only one that's tired of hearing about Poland all the time with these "look how badass and ready for war I am!!!" headlines.
    They are subhuman toilet cleaners and if we removed our bases and troops from their territory they would lose their ridiculous confidence and stop saber rattling

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Better yet, we should start killing those subhuman morons ASAP

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And that's why they're buying all this shit, so whatever gay you are can get killed and conquered when you losers try.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poland's buying all this shit up because they know there are gays like you who would remove those bases.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they know there are gays like you who would remove those bases.
        I would remove those bases in a heartbeat.
        I'm tired of babysitting incompetent gay nations that don't want to put in effort in real life when it comes to training, but love to run their mouths online.
        Based on what I've witnessed, the only nations worth protecting are:
        >The UK,
        >France
        >South Korea
        The ones that need to be removed from NATO immediately are:
        >Spain (lazy gays that dont give a shit)
        >Germany

        >t. spmagtf-fag who got to spend time in these places

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >baby doesnt know what "national interests" mean
          Sad! Many such cases!

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            polish safety is not in anyone's national interest and never has been
            souce: 1939

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Is a key link in Eurasian trade routes
              >"lmao bro what a shithole"

              kek

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                see

                >baby doesnt know what "national interests" mean
                Sad! Many such cases!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Is a key link in Eurasian trade routes
                >"lmao bro what a shithole"

                kek

                sorry, but I just dont care about them (eurasian trade routes)
                I know, ugh!, I know!
                it's just that I dont care is all
                HAHAHAHAHA

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >believes in the isolation memes

                A yikes from me, chief.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The way things going Poland is going to have a military to match South Korea's so I don't see where you get Poland's not holding their weight.

          [...]
          sorry, but I just dont care about them (eurasian trade routes)
          I know, ugh!, I know!
          it's just that I dont care is all
          HAHAHAHAHA

          >Why is it that American infanstructure is collapsing and no one is honoring our trade agreements anymore
          >Why is the power out and there's an army of people outside my house with more guns with me.
          >HAHAHAACK

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry but you’ll have to find another sugardaddy soon

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Poland is going to have a military to match South Korea's
            In your fucking dreams
            The Polish army, reserves included, is barely one quarter of the active South Korean army. Poland can hardly double the size of its army and it still would be just half of SK's army.
            Poland's navy and airforce would still be outmatched too.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is this the "let's breakup NATO" thread?
          I am Guiseppe from Milano oblast and support this thread.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you already got tired of Poland's arrogance, imagine how tired the non-tourists on this board are of russians.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poles were always meant to be speedbump/meat shield. Better then fighting than me being drafted.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty sure Germany's defence plan is literally just "arm poland".
        Which is odd because if they were smart about it instead of giving Poland money they'd give Poland vouchers and access to buy EU hardware to directly benefit all involved.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Poland money they'd give Poland vouchers and access to buy EU hardware to directly benefit all involved.

          Well you just described how EU funds work.

          I pretty sure Germany military complex will not have much spare production capabilities after Bundeswehr procurement finally unfreeze from bureaucratic retardation of last 30 years.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What? Poles don't get more gibs out than they pay in?
            WHAT AN OUTRAGE FOR THE GODGIVEN RIGHT OF POLES TO GIBSMEDATS!
            Unfair!

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Germans once occupied Poland.
              >They owe us.
              wait for it ...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

                are you retarded or vatnigg?

                >What? Germany don't extracts more out of poor country than they pay in?
                >WHAT AN OUTRAGE FOR THE GODGIVEN RIGHT OF KRAUTS TO LEVENSRAUM!
                >Unfair!

                >THE GODGIVEN RIGHT OF KRAUTS TO LEVENSRAUM!
                And there it is, just in time and as predicted.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                stench of vatnigg

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                noooOOOO

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Germany should have been depopulated and divided between the US, UK, and Poland (nothing for cowards in France, and we should've went to war with and nuked the USSR until they all died).

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/pjwQPHT.jpg

              >Germans once occupied Poland.
              >They owe us.
              wait for it ...

              are you retarded or vatnigg?

              >What? Germany don't extracts more out of poor country than they pay in?
              >WHAT AN OUTRAGE FOR THE GODGIVEN RIGHT OF KRAUTS TO LEVENSRAUM!
              >Unfair!

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >FA-50
    Lol literally moron tier planes, Russia will massacre them in a week

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      FA-50 will be equipped with AESA earlier than the Su-57, seethe more.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      With what?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Tankie calling other countries equipment shit

      Top kek

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Still many times better than A-10 or Su-25. Cheap CAS/support plane sounds like a good idea now that helis are pretty much dead.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >many times better than A-10
        moron gay tongue my anus.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cope herder A-10 is outdated as fuck and would get completely raped on modern battlefield.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >herder
            Tongue my anus, ESL moron,
            >would get completely raped on modern battlefield.
            Achieved wonders like in the ME and Afghanistan*. Now please tell me how different it would be on a battlefield where the opponent hasn't achieved air supremacy.
            The FA-50 would get fucked too without air cover.
            Reply to me whenever the FA-50 gets a 30mm.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >modern battlefield.
              >Achieved wonders like in the ME and Afghanistan
              LOL

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >modern battlefield implies not having air supremacy
                >A-10s would be fucked in Ukraine by the non-existent Russian airforce.
                >FA-50 would be better than the A-10 in situations where air supremacy isn't achieved
                Third world logic, that's why you need America as a sugar daddy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >A-10s would be fucked in Ukraine by the non-existent Russian airforce.

                It would get fucked by SAMs.

                >FA-50 would be better than the A-10 in situations where air supremacy isn't achieved

                It's over two times faster and can just spam Brimstones from 50km away.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol the A10 is air-to-ground, the FA50 is a 4th gen dog fighter that can pull 8+ gs, one FA50 would shoot down 100 A10s in air-to-air combat

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We were obviously talking about ground support, fucking retard.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Look how well ukraine worked for Su-25. A-10 would get raped by MANPADS just the same. It achieved wonders against goat herders with no AA. Ukrainians literally just said they don't want A-10.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >A-10 would get raped by MANPADS just the same.
                So would the FA-50, that's my point, how is it better than the A-10 in that regard?

                >A-10s would be fucked in Ukraine by the non-existent Russian airforce.

                It would get fucked by SAMs.

                >FA-50 would be better than the A-10 in situations where air supremacy isn't achieved

                It's over two times faster and can just spam Brimstones from 50km away.

                >It would get fucked by SAMs.
                So would the FA-50
                >It's over two times faster
                So what? Don't expect it to fly at 1800 km/h with a CAS payload, CAP missions don't even cruise at supersonic speeds. It doesn't make it immune to SAMs or MANPADS either. Besides, the warthog is slow because it's ARMORED and can hope to survive a MANPAD, not the FA-50.
                >spam Brimstones from 50km away.
                Brimstones aren't included in the FA-50's payload. In fact the FA-50s CAS armament is not so different than the A-10's, plus antiship missiles and that's it.

                The FA-50 does have some A2A capabilities alright, that's the only argument in favour of it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Retard. Have you ever heard of HARMS or glide bombs? The only good thing about the A10 is the fact that it can carry missiles, not its dogshit gun. Do you know what else can carry missiles? Literally any other modern multi-role fighter. Except, unlike the A-10 they don't need to add the radar externally or foot the bill for a new F-35 in order to modernize.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Have you ever heard of HARMS or glide bombs?
                FA-50 carries neither, nice try Korean MIC chud.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                find anywhere in my previous post an endorsement of the FA-50. I don't give a shit about which multirole craft they buy as long as it's not the obsolete A-10.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The discussion was about comparing the FA-50 with the A-10 in pure A2G role. If you're willing to join a conversation, at least fucking follow it, moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>Have you ever heard of HARMS or glide bombs?
                >FA-50 carries neither, nice try Korean MIC chud.
                moron they have their own glided bomb kit called kggb to target fortified North Korean facilities.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are they buying K2s after that fucking massive Abrams order?
    Russia has proven itself to be worthless and rusted out, if they even have tanks left made after the fall of the USSR left by the end of this shit

    Who are they arming against?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Germany.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      New tanks are needed fast and one source can't provide enough fast enough.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        South Korea is somehow going to out-supply the US? The first batch of Abrams is already in Poland.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Used Abrams. New ones arrive in 2025. Also K2 will be made locally so it's better for the industry. Only the first 180 are from Korea. Besides this is a massive deal with Koreans that include things like trains and nuclear plants. This is probably why Poland got a good discount.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This deal is going to take Poland to a legit first world status

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't worry about it

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FA-50 costing just 20-30 million is pretty crazy when new AH-64 costs 60-90 million. Attack helicopters are really becoming obsolete.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ambushes you from behind a hill
      Try to pull the Belgorod depot hit with jets instead of Mi-24s flying AGL.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Any normal military would just do it with missiles. It was basically a suicide run that worked because russians are fucking retards.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is. Why would you need million dollars target practice when you can send out cheap turkish drones made with cheap chinese parts for suicide missions with much bigger payload.

      >A-10 would get raped by MANPADS just the same.
      So would the FA-50, that's my point, how is it better than the A-10 in that regard?
      [...]
      >It would get fucked by SAMs.
      So would the FA-50
      >It's over two times faster
      So what? Don't expect it to fly at 1800 km/h with a CAS payload, CAP missions don't even cruise at supersonic speeds. It doesn't make it immune to SAMs or MANPADS either. Besides, the warthog is slow because it's ARMORED and can hope to survive a MANPAD, not the FA-50.
      >spam Brimstones from 50km away.
      Brimstones aren't included in the FA-50's payload. In fact the FA-50s CAS armament is not so different than the A-10's, plus antiship missiles and that's it.

      The FA-50 does have some A2A capabilities alright, that's the only argument in favour of it.

      A-10 is CAS aircraft while FA-50 is a multirole fighter with a light interceptor role. It has a maxmum ceiling way higher than that of A-10 and can hit targets outside the effecitve range of MANPADS and other direct fires.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >At this rate they might own the most powerful land forces in Europe
    Polish ground forces have about 60k men, even if they double that amount, they'd be slightly behind the French Army and just about the same as the British Army.
    Not counting Germany, no one knows what they do with all their military budget.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Making sure you are safe, mostly. For example putting 15000 men on Lithuania. Paying several billions every year to Poland for military development.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Making sure you are safe, mostly.
        Maybe Krauts need Poland to save their ass but that's all.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think you understand.
          Krauts have 15000 men in Lithuania in the EFp battle group, not Poles. Krauts pay for the recent polish procurement activities, not Poles. Krauts run the Corps HQ in Szczecin, Poland, not Poles.
          Why do you think Poland runs anything of importance in EU or NATO?

          As for why Germany gives them money to buy moron shit instead of vouchers for German wares? The order books are filled for years. We could squeeze in 22 Leos per year, but Germany thinks Poland should be armed way faster.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Krauts pay for the recent polish procurement activities, not Poles
            Do You mean the. 1,5bln € European fund?

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is not for new units - this will replace old existing hardware.

    w still have lots of post soviet stuff that was verified borderline useless in Ukraine - so decisions has been made to upgrade it right now with whatever is available rather than waiting for top shelf stuff.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine being average polish worker with 800€ wage paying all that to burgers and getting Rayethon CEO new G650.
    It's fucking art.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >burgers
      Did you meant kimchis?

      https://i.imgur.com/tSunj9Y.jpg

      I don't think you understand.
      Krauts have 15000 men in Lithuania in the EFp battle group, not Poles. Krauts pay for the recent polish procurement activities, not Poles. Krauts run the Corps HQ in Szczecin, Poland, not Poles.
      Why do you think Poland runs anything of importance in EU or NATO?

      As for why Germany gives them money to buy moron shit instead of vouchers for German wares? The order books are filled for years. We could squeeze in 22 Leos per year, but Germany thinks Poland should be armed way faster.

      >Krauts pay for the recent polish procurement activities
      How so?

      US is funding Krauts with 40k US soldiers in Germoney

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You know, I haven’t seen the “AFTER 60 YEARS ITS TIIIIIME TO FUCK OFF” poster since Ukraine started. I wonder why?

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