Poland its your turn.

Poland it’s your turn.

  1. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Noice.

  2. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    I’m sure the perfidious kraut has some trick up their sleeve

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Yes exposing the Poles for the lying frauds that they are is extremely perfidious

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Poland will deliver but watch the perfidious kraut use some excuse to never supply them with leopards again

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Polands repeated statements of enmity against germany, not to mention their intention to ignore several rounds of past treaties and demand reparations for WW2, are reason enough for us to never supply them with anything whatsoever.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            Poland has every right to conquer and enslave you for being a cowardly drain on the West.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              Poland has every right to shut up and no longer take our gibs, but we all know they won't.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Poland is an economic vassal of Germany, but a political and military vassal of the US. It's an untenable relationship.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >an economic vassal of Germany
                Polish right wing bullshit. The EU governs economic relations between european states, and EU rules are made by all member states together. Poland and all of eastern europe, are dependent on germany and all of western europe for investments and markets. They understandably resent that situation, but rather than understanding the historical reason and being content that it will subside with time, like the reasonable rest of eastern europe, the polish right has decided that it is a german conspiracy to keep da pole down. Obviously it is the fault of germany (and not russian communism) that poland is poor, and obviously germany has to pay reparations to make up for it (despite ceding a nice big chunk of developed lands to poland).

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            Well they have the morons now so it's not like they need you.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              True. And it can only be for the better when poles have one less angle to shit on germany.
              >Muh germans won't help us upgrade our tanks because they won't do a full tech transfer

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            >us
            Seething kraut detected. Go drown yourself in the spent fuel rod pools of the reactors your government shut down.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              Watch out, we got a genius here, by polish standards.
              >Go drown yourself
              I might drown myself in the arms of a polish whore lol.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Something Something toilets, I presume? Whores are overrated anyway. Do some coke and buy 5 or so for a really good time.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Watch out, we got a genius here, by polish standards.
                Would you say a...
                Polish intellectual?
                Kek

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            we should've nuked berlin. you germans are annoying as fuck.

            the only non retarded germans all perished on the eastern front and the world is left with the neutered impotent retards

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            The Polish have legitimate reasons for the reparations

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              No they don't. They already got a shit ton of land out of the whole thing

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >no they don’t
                The Germans literally destroyed Warsaw

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Do you really want to open that can of worms tho? Go back far enough in history and everyone owes everyone reparations. Also Poland got a third of Germany after WW2.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >why should Germany pay for the destruction of a country they invaded and occupied
                Gee anon

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Poland got a big chunk of german territory

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                The Allies literally destroyed every major german population center. Who cares? Stop crying

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                And they rebuilt them with US money

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                I've been to Warsaw before. Looked pretty good to me. No ruins or anything. Besides since the nazis leveled your cities the soviets destroyed and rebuild everything twice over already anyway. You already get plenty EU gibs maybe you can ask Russia for some more

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >no ruins or anything
                It’s been rebuilt

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Exactly. So what's the problem? And don't claim any monetary damages you didn't even have capitalism 30 years ago.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                People lost for starters

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Blame your foreign minister for refusing to work with Germany against the Soviets and trying to build a central european empire led by poland instead.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Working with nazi germany? How exactly do you think it would go? Do you not know that killing garden gnomes and Slavs was their whole thing?

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Worked well for Croatia

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Those were reparations for the land Soviets took and they were about 80k square kilometers short of an equal exchange anyway.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Those were reparations for the land Soviets took
                Germany has to pay reparations for stuff the soviets took? What weird logic is that? Poland got a third of Germany, end of story. If the soviets took land from Poland you should take it up with them, I guess.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                They paid Poland back for the land they took with German land. There is a difference there. Germany has not paid anything.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                You got land form Germany. And the soviets took some land from you. But instead of asking the soviets for your land back you ask Germany for more? Weird logic

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                It's probably a good thing that you don't understand the gibsmoron mindset.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                No, we got land from the Soviets in an unequal exchange and no war reparations from Germany.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                What soviet lands did you recieve? I only remember Poland getting eastern Germany

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, taken by the Soviets and given in exchange for eastern territories, not as German war reparations.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                That´s childrens logic, anon.

                But you will never get those reparations anyway, so cry about it some more lmao.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                How is that children's logic, these are 2 separate issues that you're tying together for your benefit.
                I'm aware we're never getting them. I'm just saying we never got what we deserved.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but you clearly don't realize how reparations work.
                Hint: they are nearly always taken by force of arms and that land never belonged to Russians.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Neither did the eastern territories of Poland which they took from us.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                So why don´t you complain to russia?

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Sounds like something you should complain to Russia instead of Germany about, don't you think?
                Right now you just sound like you're angry and want to lash out but haven't really thought your excuse through.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Ok, how about this: you ask for your eastern territories back and give back german eastern territories. In exchange you get your reparations. Everyone should be happy then, no?

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                If you can convince Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine to give up half their countries with no benefit to them then why not.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >If you can convince Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine
                Why would that be anyones job beside Poland? It´s about your territories, no?

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                You're the one proposing the deal no? Plus you also want our lands too so its your problem as well.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                I think your problem is that you are incapable of looking at different actors seperately. Poland got german territories BUUUT because a different country took polish territories at the same time, this somehow doesn´t count. So actually Poland got nothing from Germany and can demand more.

                If the eastern german territories don´t count as reparations, what gives Poland the right to keep them? It can´t be the fact that you lost your eastern territories, because that had nothing to do with Germany. If someone steals your TV but gives you your neighbors TV instead, you´re still not entitled to keep the neighbors TV. You need to get your own TV back or live without it.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >you´re still not entitled to keep the neighbors
                you dont know poles, do you

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >trying to explain the sanctity of property for a pole
                You must be too young to remember the tens of thousands of cars they immediately started stealing when the west opened their borders to them.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                colleague went to Poland with a company car for buiseness.
                Two weeks later he returned with only the key, lmao

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                I went there for vacation and unironically heard car alarms go off all night every night.

                >B-bu the UK
                Why are you obsessed with the UK
                [...]
                It's a huge Loan of a Loan to buy German kit that won't arrive lol most of it is for rebuilding infrastructure postwar

                Nah

                >sanctity of property
                Can you explain, why Gdansk is a "german propety"?

                It was founded by Poles, most of it's existence it was under Polish rule. But at some point the Teutonic Knights conquered it by treachery (they used german merchants who opened the gates) and ethnically cleansed the city.

                But now Germans play a victim and claim that their "rightful" city was viciously stolen from them.

                Germans have truly fascinating mindset.

                moron what the fuck are you even talking about you spastic schizo?

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >sanctity of property
                Can you explain, why Gdansk is a "german propety"?

                It was founded by Poles, most of it's existence it was under Polish rule. But at some point the Teutonic Knights conquered it by treachery (they used german merchants who opened the gates) and ethnically cleansed the city.

                But now Germans play a victim and claim that their "rightful" city was viciously stolen from them.

                Germans have truly fascinating mindset.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you focussing on this one city now? Seems like you want to stir the conversation away because you´re running out of arguments

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                ukraine is straight nr2 after india

                Nah that's VAG group and Mercedes with the emissions scandal

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                fuck, i missed where these concerns run ransomware ad's an harass boomers on the phone

                >doesn’t understand the importance of discouraging future acts of aggression on European soil
                Smooth brain moment

                coming straight from cuban crisis 2.0

                I went there for vacation and unironically heard car alarms go off all night every night.
                [...]
                Nah
                [...]
                moron what the fuck are you even talking about you spastic schizo?

                >I went there for vacation
                my condolence. A relative visited the farm there he grew up, that as around 1993
                It was in a worse state than 45 when they were driven out, no central heating, no running water, half the buildings run down with boards instead of window panes. They used to work ~1000 acres and had multiple tractors
                Now? the pictures look like its Mexico

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Slavs are bad custodians for anything that isn't solid rock or steel and can mostly survive unattended.

                [...]
                cope

                Ok slave.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                It's just an example. The same applies to whole Pomerania.

                Tell me, what "Pomerania" means in German? It's a "rightful" German land, right, so it's name must mean something in German.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Tell me, what "Bayern" means in German? It's a "rightful" German land, right, so it's name must mean something in German.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                The german word for a pole is slave but I don't think you'd argue that it confers some kind of right to ownership, would you?
                Also if you wanna go for the historical argument, Germanics were in Europe before slavs since those only came in a later migratory wave. So the first guys who settled the european east were Germanics even if they didn't stick around.

                cope

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                The german word for a pole is slave but I don't think you'd argue that it confers some kind of right to ownership, would you?
                Also if you wanna go for the historical argument, Germanics were in Europe before slavs since those only came in a later migratory wave. So the first guys who settled the european east were Germanics even if they didn't stick around.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >sanctity of property
                Can you explain, why Gdansk is a "german propety"?

                It was founded by Poles, most of it's existence it was under Polish rule. But at some point the Teutonic Knights conquered it by treachery (they used german merchants who opened the gates) and ethnically cleansed the city.

                But now Germans play a victim and claim that their "rightful" city was viciously stolen from them.

                Germans have truly fascinating mindset.

                I see. So now we´re really going down the road of we wuz and who owned what 500 years ago, huh? This is why seethig over the past is so pointless, it always just devolves into the same shit flinging. Let´s leave this bs to third worlders and move on with our lives.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                One time when I was in Spain a Polish family stole my beach blanket

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Kek, did you get it back?

                >go turbo autism mode when the entire world is following Ramstein
                >cave in only after the entire world shits all over you and bullies you into caving in
                Stellar diplomacy, krauts

                Nobody ever told Poles they couldn't send Leopards.
                Poles were just too afraid of getting a yes to ask.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                EU pays every country according to their population.
                Spain got that EU gibs as a reparations for the WW2? Portugal too?
                When the Germans are gonna give back USA money they got from the Marshall plan?

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                I don't understand your esl rambles I'm sorry. I don't know what you're trying to tell me

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >When the Germans are gonna give back USA money they got from the Marshall plan?
                Germany already repaid the agreed amount lol

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >When the Germans are gonna give back USA money they got from the Marshall plan?
                Like 20 years ago.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >They already got a shit ton of land out of the whole thing
                Poland got land that was historically slavic and only briefly was occupied by Germany.

                Like Pomerania isn't even a German word. They just got what is theirs.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            >, not to mention their intention to ignore several rounds of past treaties and demand reparations for WW2
            no such thing motherfucker, you're outright lying
            if not please provide the actual document signed by democratically elected polish government
            if not fuck off bucko
            and also you can be sure our tanks will go to ukraine, same as 250 T-72 went, yet you were also seething here that it won't happen
            it will

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao, so r*ddit was, right.
            Mutts don't want to send their tanks because they want to push germany out of the business.
            Fucking americans.

            >Rheinmetall announces their rebranding to 'General Dynamics East'

            Can't wait, slowly but surely Wilhelm's stain on Europe will fade out.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >Poland forces Germany to give-up on their no exporting into active war zones clause
              >Germany can now export to Russia
              how's Germany the bad guy here?

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >Russian artillery kills all non-German Leo2s in the Ukraine
              >only Germany has Leo2s
              >rest of Europe has half-broken used Abrams
              >Germany easily conquers all of Europe
              who's fading out here?

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          They will get them eventually, once polish flags are at munich or wherever the dirty krauts produce them.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          They're building a K2 factory and got Abrams. I'm not sure if they're going to buy more Leopards anyway

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          We are already on the way to get rid of all of our leopard tanks in near future, so what is your seethe all about Anon?
          If OP's twieet says true, Ukraine will get Leopards thanks to Poland.
          "Great success" like Borat would say

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          If the "perfidicous kraut" wanted to no logner supply you with Leopards, PiS have already given them somewhere around several million valid excuses over the last decade alone.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      I doubt it, they know that they will lose all that status in Europe they fought so hard for if they continue sucking down more Russian cum than the fucking Serbs. At the very least, I doubt they will block the re-exports.

  3. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    didn't germany said it would cut all future contracts with any country that would send leopards to ukraine?
    anyway eventually ukrops will be producing their own tanks, everybody will want them if they perform well against vodkanigs, german military industry will collapse

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      No, ONE politician said if poland sends the tanks without german consent it would cut all contracts.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      one questionable anonymous source vs official statement of the secretary of state

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      frankly that's more germany's loss than the loss of any german client unless they're particularly reliant on kraut hardware

      like, if Canada sent their entire Leo 2 fleet, what other German equipment is in service? They'd just buy Korean or American to replace them.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >like, if Canada sent their entire Leo 2 fleet, what other German equipment is in service?
        Nearly every gun with a caliber of 20mm or above in western equipment is either made by Rheinmetall or a company owned by Rheinmetall.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Our artillery is American, our naval guns are Swedish, and we don't have any gun based air defense systems because we don't have any air defense systems. Our few IFVs have Bushmaster cannons.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, I suggest you look up who owns some of these companies.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Our few IFVs have Bushmaster cannons.
            Son, what in the fuck is a bushmaster cannon?

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous
      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        the boxer might become a new sales hit
        already 2000 units ordered worldwide and this will go up as i imagine it being the backbone of air defence in several countries.
        it simply is a good concept with good implementation

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much everybody and everything uses German guns.
        Including the Abrams.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >eventually
      14 days

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      All this shit with German Leopard cuckery is basically cementing the Abrams and K2 as the two most viable tanks for western aligned countries.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Germany is being 9 levels of fucking STUPID.

        By refusing to help Ukraine, they're killing off their own arms industry.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >no we wont send our equipment and advertise it like the usa is doing
          >no we wont let you send the ones you bought from us
          >btw itll take months to get the tanks ready and people trained
          >but we wont start that now because reasons
          >WTF THE US IS TRICKING EVERYONE AND TRYING TO KILL THE GERMAN ARMS INDUSTRY
          So fucking funny, every single part is their own fault and they're mad at everyone else. Krauts bitching about gas prices when they killed their own nuclear power.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            They are just inept when it comes to foreign policy. German autism has that cool +25% Industry Buff, but the huge -10 opinion malus and -25% influence gain fucking destroys their empire every single time.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >but the huge -10 opinion malus
              Germany unironically won the global most popular country contest quite a lot of times in the last 20 years.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >the global most popular country contest
                Excuse me what?

  4. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Poland is also keeping their mouths shut after everyone started donating Patriots, even though they have some AND germany is using theirs to protect polands Airspace.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      didnt they just get theirs

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        they're not even operational yet
        https://www.gov.pl/web/national-defence/agreement-for-the-wisa-system
        >The delivery of both batteries of the IBCS / PATRIOT system is planned by the end of 2022, and the initial operational capability (IOC) is planned at the turn of 2023 and 2024.

  5. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    >German Foreign Minister
    Scholz has final say, not him.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Not true actually. It has to go through the federal office for economic affairs and export control and the federal security council. Scholz is a member of the latter but to get through the security council you just need a simple majority.
      The foreign minister is also part of that council so her word has just as much weight.

  6. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    It's over germanbros...

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao, so r*ddit was, right.
      Mutts don't want to send their tanks because they want to push germany out of the business.
      Fucking americans.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Germany could send its own equipment
        >doesn't want to because they don't want to upset Russia
        >every other European country sees the importance of Ukraine and wants to send their own Leopard IIs but it is insanely costly
        >US just tells everyone that they will replace the German tanks that they send to Ukraine
        Much like WW2, the US just bumbled into becoming an even stronger hegemon because Germany acted like total retards. I seriously don't know what Scholz was expecting.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >because Germany acted like total retards
          How was Germany going to come out of this scenario a winner?

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            In hindsight, not getting hooked on Russian natural gas. In the moment, promising their own Leopard IIs instead of having everyone else empty their pockets even more.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            by allowing Leopard owner to send their oldest versions of tanks to Ukraine. Germans could still make good money selling parts for them. It's not like these tanks are gonna be used for next 6 months and then scraped, they will be in service for the next decade at least.
            Hypothetically after the war will be over Ukraine could buy new/ renovated tanks from Germans. They already ordered PZH2000 so I don't think there's any reason why they woulnd't be satisfied with Leos as well.

            tl;dr Germans are dumb as hell

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >by allowing Leopard owner to send their oldest versions of tanks to Ukraine
              All those countries would replace their Leopards with Abrams, so Germany would lose a ton of customers to the US
              >Germans could still make good money selling parts for them. It's not like these tanks are gonna be used for next 6 months and then scraped, they will be in service for the next decade at least.
              A lot of them will be destroyed in the war. And by doing this Germany would effectively lose a ton of wealthy european customers in exchange for gaining Ukraine as a customer. A country which was poor as fuck prior to the war and which will face an enormous amount of debt after this is over. What a bargain lmao.
              >Hypothetically after the war will be over Ukraine could buy new/ renovated tanks from Germans.
              Why would they, if they get a ton (possibly for free) now? Also, with what money?
              >tl;dr Germans are dumb as hell
              Ironic.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >All those countries would replace their Leopards with Abrams, so Germany would lose a ton of customers to the US
                Now? There's a possibility some countries could check that option.
                Few months earlier? Not at all.
                >A lot of them will be destroyed in the war. And by doing this Germany would effectively lose a ton of wealthy european customers in exchange for gaining Ukraine as a customer. A country which was poor as fuck prior to the war and which will face an enormous amount of debt after this is over. What a bargain lmao.
                Why did you sell them pzh then? To lose money? Think Anon
                >Why would they, if they get a ton (possibly for free) now? Also, with what money?
                To get rid of oldest tanks for which you can't order parts from Russia now and you won't be able in the future.
                >Ironic
                Oh, truth hurts I see. Good.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                I´m sorry, but if you don´t understand why losing the european market in exchange for a single impoverished country is a bad deal, I don´t know what to tell you

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                No country is gonna give Ukraine all of their stock. Nobody is that stupid. That's why there is an idea of a coalition- if you give 10-20 tanks it doesn't mean you wi never gonna buy leopards again. It's the opposite- you have the opportunity to get rid of 2a4s and order new 2a7...

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Now? There's a possibility some countries could check that option.
                >Few months earlier? Not at all.
                What the fuck would have stopped America from trying to take over the European market before?
                You think this is a spur of the moment kind of thing? I called this shit months ago and you guys called me a schizo. It was obvious.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >by allowing Leopard owner to send their oldest versions of tanks to Ukraine
              The K51 Panther uses the hull of the 2A4. Rheinmetall wants to sell it as an upgrade to countries that already have those lying around and that's pretty much the entire potential customer base for the whole tank. I'm sure Germanies hesitation has absolutely nothing to do with that though

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Germany doesn't have nearly enough working tanks to equip Ukraine on their own. That's not a feasible scenario. It would have always been as part of a bigger coalition. Germany doesn't have working tanks themselves nor can they make new ones in big numbers in a reasonable timeframe. There's no scenario where Germany allows the shipment of Leos where they don't lose a big market share.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            So you're saying is that they made a fuckton of tanks, sold them all over Europe but forbade their usage in contracts, let all of their own tanks fall into disrepair, have not fixed any of them and have not managed to restart production in that same year?

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >forbade their usage in contracts
              *Forbade their re-export without approval. Which is a very normal thing when it comes to military hardware, btw.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              They produce about 50 tanks a year all of which are already sold long before they are finished. Just recently someone leaked an internal Bundeswehr report to the Spiegel that said they took inventory and came to the conclusion that they have 17 Leopard 2s the could send Ukraine right now. 17. Rheinmetall said they have 22 Leo 2A4s in storage that they could fix up but it would take months. So even if they started the whole process a year ago how many tanks would they realistically have ready to ship now? Maybe 50? 100 at the most? Definitely not enough.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                That's enough for a tank battalion. It's not that people are pissed at Germany for not having many tanks to send, it's that they're using not having many tanks to send as an excuse to not send any. Is Germany really expecting to need to carry out armored warfare anytime soon?

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                40 German tanks, 40 Polish tanks, 40 Canadian tanks and 40 Spanish tanks is 160 tanks, a Leo 2 users coalition can put together a sizeable force

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                True. Now they just have to get their shit together and then start training ukie tank crews for the fall 2023 offensive

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Spain couldn't even send 10.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >40 Canadian tanks
                This doesn't get talked about enough. If there's anyone that A. doesn't need tanks and B. should jut be operating Abrams anyway it's fucking Canada.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                were are those fantasy numbers coming from?

                Slovakia just months ago refused to send their T-72s to Ukraine because there weren't enough Leo2s from other countries to replace them.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >the importance of Ukraine
          right, what cruel place would this world be without their cheese pizza and army's of internet scammer

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            >cheese pizza and army's of internet scammer
            That's russia tho

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              ukraine is straight nr2 after india

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn’t understand the importance of discouraging future acts of aggression on European soil
            Smooth brain moment

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >US just bumbled into
          I love how yuropoors can't imagine this was done on purpose

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, maybe if Germany actually sent their tanks over they wouldn't be in this situation? Just saying.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          In hindsight, not getting hooked on Russian natural gas. In the moment, promising their own Leopard IIs instead of having everyone else empty their pockets even more.

          How many Leos could Germany even provide on their own? And how much would that cost? Germany doesn´t have trillions of dollars to throw around like certain other nations

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            Oh don't pull that "we aren't as rich as Murica" bullshit, Germany is the richest country in Europe by a long shot. Yeah maybe they can't have a fat multibillion dollar aid package, but as a share of GDP they have sent half as much as the US.

            Germany doesn't have nearly enough working tanks to equip Ukraine on their own. That's not a feasible scenario. It would have always been as part of a bigger coalition. Germany doesn't have working tanks themselves nor can they make new ones in big numbers in a reasonable timeframe. There's no scenario where Germany allows the shipment of Leos where they don't lose a big market share.

            Ukraine is pushing for around 200 to 300 tanks to close out the war. Germany has 200 tanks in storage, obviously they wouldn't have to send their whole stockpile because Europe as a whole has a fuckload of old ass tanks to drop in Ukraine. Germany could drop around 50-60 Leopard IIs and call it a day, and it is unlikely that any sort of Abrams for Leopards deals would be necessary. Unfortunately, it's too late for Germany to renege.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >but as a share of GDP they have sent half as much as the US.
              https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
              Share of GDP wise US is one of the least generous countries behind even Germany. Now imagine if it was actually share of military budget.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Germany: 0.14
                >US: 0.23
                Share of GDP wise the US is only outmatched by the UK and Eastern Europe. Did you read your own source?

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Did you unironically pretend not to notice the EU share because Germany marked their Euros with the stamp?

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              The Abrams of Leopard deal is not out of necessity it's just economically sound. The Americans would have done it regardless. And if Germany sends 50 Leopards that's still 250 Leopard that the Ukies would try to get from someone else

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >Germany is the richest country in Europe by a long shot
              That´s a bit of an overstatement lmao

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              America sent less if we go by GDP than Germany.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao get fucked with the skewed EU contribution loan kek how desperate are you

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine used alot of Germanies *EU Loan* to buy 100 PzH2000 and MCH155 that will be delivered in 2025, the fucking state of German regulations.

                The light blue bar is a coping mechanism by the EU and the German site to try make themselves look moderately capable.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                That's just a fraction of the financial aid (and wasn't strictly meant for that or it would be military aid) Germany sent and it's pretty normal.
                Over half the "military aid" the UKsent only counts as military aid because it consisted of loans specifically meant to buy arms.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >B-bu the UK
                Why are you obsessed with the UK

                [...]
                >everything I don't like is a loan
                Not even strictly true in this case but you also seem to have forgotten what lend-lease means.

                It's a huge Loan of a Loan to buy German kit that won't arrive lol most of it is for rebuilding infrastructure postwar

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Over 80% of military equipment sent by Germany was basic trash really just alot of trash so it added up to a few €bn. Some good stuff came from there but not much.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Even if you're right (and you aren't), basic gear wins wars.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Nah just trash really (which it is)

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine used alot of Germanies *EU Loan* to buy 100 PzH2000 and MCH155 that will be delivered in 2025, the fucking state of German regulations.

                The light blue bar is a coping mechanism by the EU and the German site to try make themselves look moderately capable.

                >everything I don't like is a loan
                Not even strictly true in this case but you also seem to have forgotten what lend-lease means.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            >please think of the poor european powerhouse with the largest economy in the EU
            Fucking krautoids

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              Zaluzhny asked for 300 tanks, do you think Germany could provide those on their own?

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          It would make no difference.
          Slavs and anglos are literal animals.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >be French
        >no industry anyway, nothing to lose
        >still seethe and cope as if you’re a relevant party trying to “broker” peace
        C’est la vie

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >>no industry anyway, nothing to lose
          well not realy, they were selling a lot of their cars to vatniks
          obviously they had to rebrand it
          tho i like french cars, my citroen C4 is a nice one
          thank you frogeaters

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      lol after this the Krauts have guaranteed no one is going to want to deal with their bullshit anyway

      Poland will deliver but watch the perfidious kraut use some excuse to never supply them with leopards again

      They likely dont give a fuck and would rather be done with the kraut gays. Now that they've agreed to share licensed production on the tanks with S Korea, they're ramping up their own defense industry.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >lol after this the Krauts have guaranteed no one is going to want to deal with their bullshit anyway
        Why do people keep saying this? Do you think you´ll have a need to give your tanks away to another country soon?

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >after this the Krauts have guaranteed no one is going to want to deal with their bullshit anyway
        >implying America let people send Abrams
        moron

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      American was always going to be the big winner of the conflict anyway. You can't outgarden gnome the garden gnome

    • 4 days ago
      T-I-G-E-R-S

      Ayup The M1A2 from the Polish Abrams Academy are in every metric superior to Leoprads.

      • 4 days ago
        T-I-G-E-R-S

        Forgot my picture

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >7.62mm
          Am I retarded or does that mean anything bigger than that can penetrate the upper back

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            That's the covering over the exhaust exit. There's other protective layers between that and anything actually important.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >Ayup The M1A2 from the Polish Abrams Academy are in every metric inferior to Leopard IIs. Henc ewhy we have to offer them for free.

        FTFY. Deal with it.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >ammo stored in the hull
          Based gigachad gigabrain engineers avoiding this simple mistake.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Did trump do this?????
      It feels like a joke played on Germany

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know what it is with Germany and the complete ineptness at foreign policy.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Autism.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Trump was merely one American president who called the Krauts out on their duplicitous, gas guzzling behavior. I will leave these videos here given how much Trump was called Putin's cockholster when the trinity of ballpolishing Putin exists in Schröder, Merkel and Scholz. The amount of vatnik grade projection from the Germans has been incredibly irritating.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >years later
          >not even president
          >trump still gifting us with hearty keks

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >we finally find out why biden didn't want to sent Abrams
      >literally the most gnomish reason possible
      Watch the cucks spin out into some grand humanitarian gesture now.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        The main reason is because its more cheaper/easier to send the leopards than the abrams.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          what?
          sending M1s is literally as cheap/easy as sending M2s.
          US is sending M2s.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia slowly turning into a failed state
      >Germany is repeatedly sabotaging itself on the world stage
      Polishbros... Our wet dreams are becoming true...

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      so it was just a ploy to get US tanks into the European market, pushed by teh US lackeys in Poland afterall.

      Well played, America. Germany can't make enough Leo2 to suply everyone anyway, and they plan on making that German French hybrid tank in a few years.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Nobody is gonna buy that shit anyway. German weapons are DOA after German diplomatic shitshow of the 2022-23.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah no shit.
        Afghanistan is over and the MIC needs money.
        Eisenhower straight up said it, they are in control for a long time now and Ukraine is the jackpot.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >quoting half of Eisenhower's speech

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        sounds like a skill issue on krauts part maybe they should git gud

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          the Merkel years fucked over German arms industry, probably beyond repair

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Kek, how are poles so sanctimonious while regularly serving the most evil interests in the world?

        Nobody is gonna buy that shit anyway. German weapons are DOA after German diplomatic shitshow of the 2022-23.

        Nobody cares except for (You)

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Germany gets cucked on buying Russian fuels
      >gets cucked on tanks
      They ought to switch sides at this point

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, they might as well switch sides and start working with HATO

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Based burgers BTFO'ing the krauts and significantly improving the militaries of a bunch of EU militaries in the process.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >improving the militaries of a bunch of EU militaries in the process.
        tricking countries into buying up the US stockpile the MIC built up is not 'helping'

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          When the US stockpile is better and more numerous than what they were supply each other, yeah it's not really a trick and yeah it's definitely helping.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >giving people who need tanks tanks is not helping
          Ok.

          Lmao get fucked with the skewed EU contribution loan kek how desperate are you

          Paying them in tokens that can’t be redeemed for anything useful and not anytime soon.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      THE TRUTH COMES OUT! Krauts were TERRIFIED of being CURBSTOMPED by the American MIC. They have no compunctions about backstabbing Ukraine over this. I feel bad for the Krauts who shilled Leopard on here only for their government piss right in their eye.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >piss right in their eye
        Germans are into that though

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >unload an old ass Leopard 2 A4
      >get an M1A2 Sepv2 for free
      Dangerously based.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >unload an old ass Leopard 2 A4
      >get an M1A2 Sepv2 for free
      Dangerously based.

      Source is questionable and doesn't say those tanks will be free. (USG realistically can't offer them for free right now. Needs congress to approve)
      Donating Leo2s and buying Abrams just doubled the cost of your tanks.
      That's a bad deal.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Germany HAD its chance to send tanks FIRST.

      This shit is its own damn fault.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Sending tanks first would have changed absolutely nothing about the American goal to take over the European tank market.
        Are you retarded?

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Congratz. Now America brands Germany as a bunch of cowards who cannot be trusted, lol.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            German minister of defense already said that Germany wasn't the only one opposing Leo2s at Ramstein.
            Germany will leak everything that has been said at Ramstein and the truth will prevail.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            That might actually lead to some very interesting Franco-German developments and a greater isolation forced on the EU by the big boys.
            Enjoy the tariffs.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >autists incapable of maintaining long term relationships with the rest of humanity
              >narcissists incapable of working with others
              Nice sitcom setup, I'm sure it will end well.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Frogs are very easy to work with if you let them think they're in charge and prepare alternatives.

                >the global most popular country contest
                Excuse me what?

                Yearly poll that's been held for quite a while now, Germany usually does extremely well and has won quite often. Though I'm sure a large part of it is name recognition due to pic related.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Frogs are very easy to work with if you let them think they're in charge and prepare alternatives.
                Germans are too autistic to trick them, hence the comedy
                >Yearly poll that's been held for quite a while now
                Do you have a link? I want to see it

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Germans are too autistic to trick them, hence the comedy
                Look up German-French arms project. They always fall apart due to frogs making retarded demands, then both countries make their own version and Germany sells theirs worldwide while only thr frogs use their branch of the project. Happened quite often already.
                >Do you have a link? I want to see it
                I'll be honest I haven't been on /int/ in like 7 years.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >haven't been on /int/ in like 7 years.

                >Frogs are very easy to work with if you let them think they're in charge and prepare alternatives.
                Germans are too autistic to trick them, hence the comedy
                >Yearly poll that's been held for quite a while now
                Do you have a link? I want to see it

                (That's where I used to see it every year, it's nit a poll run on /int/ or anything retarded like that)

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              Then they align with asians and the chinks, and Russia. Enjoy, globohomo.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                >Enjoy, globohomo.
                Anon, anglos are globohomo HQ.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          If they had offered some kind of discount on a panther for every donated leopard rather than trying to stop people sending leopards they probably would have had a tank sales boom

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            >panther
            that proof of concept meme tank that isnt even half developed? Like it is missing its entire chassis.
            Military usually run trials before deciding on equipment

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              They should take taht turret, put teh LeClerc'S autoloader for teh 120mm gun in there and see where it can go.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                they are not even running for the leo replacement.
                This is a Rheinmetall pet project to shill their 130mm caliber, that tank will vanish in a drawer

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              They should take taht turret, put teh LeClerc'S autoloader for teh 120mm gun in there and see where it can go.

              they are not even running for the leo replacement.
              This is a Rheinmetall pet project to shill their 130mm caliber, that tank will vanish in a drawer

              Anons, it was shown off and developed as a possible turret upgrade for the leopard for a reason.
              While a dedicated chassis is in the works the most feasible way to sell it is as a Leo upgrade package.
              Instant gen 4 tank on a cheap, affordable and often present chassis.

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                son, at some point it makes sense to ditch a 45 year old hull, engine and transmission train.

                Look at the boxer what is possible today, 6 bolts and two cables to swap between ambulance and SPG module. How did they pull that off? not being a clusterfuck of 20 upgrades

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                Don't fix what ain't broken.
                A tank is a tank, no need to be able to make anything else out of it so the need for modularity is not nearly as extreme as with a true all around vehicle like the boxer.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Nations want to get rid of Leopards now
      >Finns buy everything off the market at bulk price
      >Great-Finland by 2030

      Just as planned.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      This is probably the most retarded take on the whole situation I have seen.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's over. Australia will choose Korea for it's IFV.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        australia already bought boxer for two billion euros, we made our money

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >we
          I didn't get any money. What Formular do I have to send to what Amt to get my money germbros?

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.arbeitsagentur.de/datei/antrag-sgb2_ba147846.pdf

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              and remember to check that disability box

              • 4 days ago
                Anonymous

                thank you

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >no track pins
        Wtf, are the tracks on this thing really all one rubber piece?

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah.
          Material science and all that. Their are metal wires interlayer on the inside iirc just like a modern tire.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Emmanuel Todd was right: this is not a war between Russia and Ukraine. It's a war between the USA and Germany.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Why would you trust Americans?
        > Im Januar 2022 vereinbarten die Amerikaner mit Kroatien die Lieferung von 89 gebrauchten Schützenpanzern Bradley, darunter 22 als Ersatzteilspender. Der Verkaufspreis betrug 130 Millionen Euro abzüglich 46 Millionen Euro, die das US-Verteidigungsministerium übernahm. Doch was zunächst wie ein Schnäppchen klang, entpuppte sich als teures Unterfangen. Die Bradley sind mehr als dreissig Jahre alt. Kroatien musste ein Gesamtpaket inklusive Ersatzteile, Instandhaltung und Wartung kaufen. Gesamtvolumen: 630 Millionen Euro.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >the joy of getting blacked

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          That's why you never buy used if the previous owner was a moron

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Holy shit yanks are garden gnomes

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            Where do you think all the European garden gnomes went

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            >ohnonono, burgers coincidentally happened to win again! they keep bumbling into world dominance and we can't do a thing about it!
            Stay jelly lads. God loves the side with the biggest airforce.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Why would you trust Americans?
        > Im Januar 2022 vereinbarten die Amerikaner mit Kroatien die Lieferung von 89 gebrauchten Schützenpanzern Bradley, darunter 22 als Ersatzteilspender. Der Verkaufspreis betrug 130 Millionen Euro abzüglich 46 Millionen Euro, die das US-Verteidigungsministerium übernahm. Doch was zunächst wie ein Schnäppchen klang, entpuppte sich als teures Unterfangen. Die Bradley sind mehr als dreissig Jahre alt. Kroatien musste ein Gesamtpaket inklusive Ersatzteile, Instandhaltung und Wartung kaufen. Gesamtvolumen: 630 Millionen Euro.

        Its even worse than that its a shadow government civil war.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >y-you will have to rely on the american arms
      >or the french arms
      >or the brits
      >b-but not us
      Shooting yourself in the foot is the new German strategy?

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Holly cow there it is gentlemen.
      Goodbye EU tank production.

  7. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Quick question, but Poland has Leopards, ordered a big ol' batch of Abrams, still has T-72s serving though are phasing them out, and plans on getting K2s, how do they plan on keeping these myriad of tanks maintained since all of them use different parts, as well why is Poland seemingly so fixated on using a variety of different tank designs? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      We should literally give all T-72 and PT-91 to Ukraine ASAP.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Poland's tank force is going to be made up of Leopard 2s, Abrams, and K2s, it's not a whole ton of different vehicles really.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      T72s, P91s and probably Leopards as well will all end up in Ukraine eventually.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      They plan to replace Leo tanks with abrams over time due Germany didn't give them a license to have a massive repair hub in their country so they chould build their own version of Leo tank unlike abrams and k2

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        They plan to replace ALL their tanks with home-built K2PL. The Abrams are just a bridge until they get the K2 plant running.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          That’s like decades in the future. Poland will be fielding an Abrams/K2 mechanized force until 2050 at the minimum.

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            Lol no you're retarded. The facilities are being built soon

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >The facilities are being built soon
              and?
              South Korea is mass-producing K2s since a decade ago and isn't anywhere near replacing their older tanks.
              projecting that South Korea will need another decade is optimistic.

              so two decades for Poland to do the same, which is ~2050, is, if anything, optimistic

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              Tanks aren't cheap plastic crap you can produce in a few weeks anon.
              The koreans started manufacturing k2's in 2014 and they've only made 260 tanks so far. The Turks made a similar deal with the Koreans in 2008 and they've manufactured a whopping 10 tanks so far.
              You're delusional if you think Poland will somehow shit out 800 tanks in a few years, especially when the designing phase hasn't even started and the factories haven't been built.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Nah that's not really true. Abrams and K2s will work together, just in different units.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          That should happen in 2050 till then it's going to be abrams/k2pl hell we might see a polish modification of an abrams till then so who knows

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            Technically the batch of the 116 used M1A2 FEP we are getting will be M1A2 PL as their configuration gonna change to suit us better. This is taking place during the restoration works that the US does on all tanks it exports.

            • 4 days ago
              Anonymous

              >M1A2
              those are M1A1

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Not true. Abrams will be specifically based in the northeast near Kaliningrad. They were purchased for a specific role and terrain.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      It turns out having just one country supply your tanks might suck if that country suddenly won't play ball when you need them. So diversification of supply chains is back on the menu even if it increases the complexity of maintenance somewhat.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        All tanks other than Abrams and K2s will be phased out and Leopards will placed in deep reserve only to be used for training.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >having just one country supply your tanks might suck
        Real countries make their own tanks.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Poland dissed Germany for no reason when they ordered Abrams.
        Still being butt-hurt about WW2 is asinine.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Poland will probably only end up fielding Abrams and K2s, all of the Leos and Soviet shit is going to Ukraine, maybe by the end of the year if the US decides to supply them with Abrams in compensations. A little off topic, but I can’t wait to see Abrams in Cyprus in exchange for their T-80Us

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Poland only intends to operate Abrams and K2's. T-72's and pt-91's were already getting phased out before the war, while Leo's were supposed to be either mothballed or transferred to teritorial defense. Now most of the soviet junk is already in Ukraine and they intend to get rid of all of it as the new toys arrive, Leopards will likely follow

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Slowly phasing out most of the old systems.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >57mm
        >85mm
        HOLY KEK

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Seriously what the fuck still uses 85mm since the T-34/85?

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            It's still a gun. I imagine it might have a use tbh. A lot of ships use similar calibres or lower for low cost defence.
            You can imagine a use yourself too.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Seriously what the fuck still uses 85mm since the T-34/85?

          Both were for TDF units with ancient USSR towed guns, 57mm S-60 AAA and 85mm D-44/48 AT guns.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      End goal is to have a fleet of Polish-made K2s, and phase out all older systems.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      the defense contracts with the koreans include manufacturing some of the stuff in poland

  8. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    There is no Leopards tank coalition. Not even the Poles want to, even with all the fuss. Sweden and Finland is a 'maybe', but they request all of Europe to chime in before they do, and even then they will not send more than a small token amount.

  9. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Ok

  10. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    poland thread

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >polish men under American occupation
      >they’re happy and living well
      Is that supposed to be bad?

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      wtf that's me in the pic where did you find this

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Did you forget the consistency of hazing in the soviet military that was passed down to many post soviet blocs?

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        if that's what's necessary to keep dicks out of polish men it's a tradition that earned its place.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          >keeps dicks out of polish men
          The hazing includes rapes and other sexual activities. Hazings are not specifically about beatings.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          By raping them? I don't understand.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Glad to see a kręcenie wora enjoyer on this board.
      I dare you to look it up.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      so what software or device saves files under the name "IMG_YYYYMMDD_hhmmss_nnn.jpg" and is it just one gay spamming PrepHole?

  11. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    HAHAHAHAHA
    They tried so fucking hard not to ask for permission while pretending to totally want to do it because they were scared of a yes.
    Send them boys, just don't cuck out like the brits and make it more than a dozen.

  12. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Why not send Ariete? Italy can upgrade to Abrams or Leopard.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      war thunder told me it's shit

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >ariete
      *laughing anime girls*

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Not enough of them. Challengers, Leopards and Abrams are the only realistic options.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        There's not even enough Challengers, really. UK has 200 active, 200 in storage. US has 2500 active, 3000+ in storage.
        How many Leopards across how many countries might be worth sending? A few hundred?

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        What are you smoking? Since they aren't dropping the line the uk needs to keep a decent number to upgrade to challenger 3s. They could send 70 at most.

  13. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    New equipment doesn’t matter and is only going to become target practice for the Russians.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Just like NLAWs and Javelins just ended up on the black market and not in Russian tanks? LMAO how the fuck are you getting paid for repeating this lame shit for the thousandth time?

  14. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    >Pissbottles asking for gibs again
    what a surprise.

  15. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    if poland wants to go to war with russia it's free to do it itself. we ain't gonna get dragged into open conflict because of these gibs draining shitter cleaners and their pompous postering

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Hello John Johnson from Ohio oblast.

  16. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    If Ukraine says they need 300 modern tanks sends them 600 Leopard 1 instead, no one will miss them.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      And where will you get 600 Leopard 1s?

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty sure that Chile and Brazil have several hundred modernized Leopard 1 units that they're looking to replace soon. US should offer them firesale priced Abrams.

  17. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    How come the visegrad24 page is filled with news about poles threatening to send tanks and now sending tanks but not one mention of them actually getting the permission to do it first?

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Visegrad24 is hilariously anti german to the point were they deliberately mistranslate German News articles they quote etc. The whole thing is pretty funny if you can ignore how many people actually believe their shit

  18. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    fuckbock yeah

  19. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    btw russia will of course wait for ukrop baby coalition leopard offensive

  20. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Russia will win

  21. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    >go turbo autism mode when the entire world is following Ramstein
    >cave in only after the entire world shits all over you and bullies you into caving in
    Stellar diplomacy, krauts

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      there is no "caving in". Germany never denied a an export request because there never was an export request. Poland lied about Germany like usual and retards bought their bullshit.

  22. 4 days ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      there should be the broken bodies of ziggers and vatniks under the wheels

  23. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    krauts are just waiting for the US ukie mercs to get slaughtered and sign terms with Russia.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      If only.
      Imagine sending the second most aid worldwide and destroying your industry just to have ungrateful and butthurt slavs and anglos tell the whole world you only sent 500 helmets, kek
      German zoomers used to want to send tanks the most, now they want to send them the least according to a recent poll and I'm fairly sure it's due to having to interact with seething slavs and angloids on social media

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, globohomo is really fucking itself.

        I absolutely love this. Just keep firing, Russians.

  24. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Poles must build a coalition of countries who demand reparations from Germany for their barbaric aggression, send Leopards to Ukraine and ditch pathetic German MIC.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      I´m pretty sure Poland is the only country asking for gibs

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        you are wrong:
        https://www.dw.com/en/germany-takes-italy-to-court-over-nazi-reparations/a-61645814

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Those are just claims by individuals

  25. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    This thread doesn't make any sense. I don't know how much russian shills are paid but I hope it's not too much.

  26. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    I like how Americans do it
    >yes yes europoors, send your Soviet and European made tanks to the Ukraine where they will get blown to shit with artillery
    >we will replace your stuff with the cheap outdated abrams
    >be like our slave colony Poland
    >you don’t need your own military industrial complex no no no
    >just be like Polemorons and take loans to buy outdated equipment from the US

  27. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    I really don't get the autism that's been surrounding the Leos. If Germany is concerned about the tank market if the rest of Europe sends their Leos, isn't Germany supposedly co-developing some hot shit new tank with France at the moment that would be a perfect replacement for the Leos?

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      You want your replacement right now, not in 20 years.
      Only US can offer you mothballed Abrams right now.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >As of 2018 the first unit was estimated to roll off the assembly line in 2035
      Those tanks won't start production before 2040

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      If poles send their leopards, Germans can replace them with new ones. Eventually.
      If Poland refuses and starts buying used up abrams tanks there’s another reason for Germany to punish Poland for further ruining the European economy and buying from rivals.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        poles already did this.
        when poles sent their t-72, poles expected an unrealistic numbers of leo2s from germany.
        a month later poland ordered abrams from the usa.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Well why are they still in the EU?
          Its a literal leech nation, a colony of the US/UK that exists for the sole reason of being a pain in the ass to everyone around them.

  28. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    ITT, vatniks absolutely seething, melting into puddles of concentrated cope and flailing around trying to sow discord because their agents in Germany could not do their job

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Poles give enough reasons to hate them as it is without russian interference.

  29. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    the us can buy those T-84 from Thailand and offer them Abrams as a replacement

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      the war has been going for a year training time isn't really a consideration. Just send abrahams directly to Ukrain. what difference does it make if Russia is fighting western made stuff sent by the west or eastern made stuff sent by the west. I know logistics is a huge factor but Ukrain got like every single APC ever made so only way they ever make repairs work is if they have a very lean purchesing line for spare parts from the west. Don't think repair crewmen is that much of a intrest as they should be able to do thier job just reading the f-ing manual

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        The problem is Abrams maintenance requirements.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      If this chart is to be believed, the U.S. just sent ALL of its Strykers to Ukraine (90 or 100?, if I recall correctly).

      Something's not quite adding up, but it would be quite bolc if that is exactly what the U.S. did.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        It's a list of Thailands millitary arsenal, apparently they have bought a ton of strykers in the past yes

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