What are the strategic implications of overhyping your countries support to Ukraine, while only delivering your oldest soviet shit like Grads or BWP-1, and artillery with exploding barrels?
Why isn't Poland delivering any counterbattery radars, modern rocket artillery, modern IFV's or mobile anti air systems to Ukraine?
Does Poland want Ukraine to lose by keeping all the good stuff to themselves?
Poland has donated more tanks to Ukraine than any country other than Russia. Where's the Leopards? Where's the M1s?
>Poland has donated more tanks to Ukraine than any country other than Russia
And still have only delivered 1/3 of what they claim. Where are the 1.8 billion? And why is Poland only sending T72A/M or cheap T72 derivatives like PT-91? Why no Leopard 2A4, they have hundreds of them
>Why no Leopard 2A4
Doesn't Germany maintain reexport controls? I remember this being a problem with ex-NVA BMP-1s.
Poland hasn't requested any Leopard 2 re-exports. And if they did and Germany refused, holy shit, PiS would have a field day and secured reelection next year.
Additionally, Poland has 359 KTO Rotomak IFV's, but instead, only 40 BWP-1 to Ukraine. Why? Ukraine desperately needs proper IFV's. Nobody can deny that export.
>Rosomak
>IFV
based fricking moron
Learn into weapons, nogun
Rosomak is a wheeled APC, moron.
>Doesn't Germany maintain reexport controls
When spain asked they agreed immediately, why would they refuse Poland?
What exactly was agreed with Spain?
>What exactly was agreed with Spain?
Spain asked if they could send Leos.
Germany just said
>sure
And moved on.
Meanwhile visegrad24 and similar sites lied like 3 separate times about Germany forbidding Spain from sending any when Spain hadn't even asked yet.
(You) are the only one lying here . The whole thing with Spanish tanks died because of German reluctance and their overall low quality
>source 1 (not visegrad24, who would've thought)
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/spain-says-its-mothballed-german-made-tanks-no-fit-state-send-ukraine-2022-08-02/
>source 2 (germoid)
https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/news-olaf-scholz-russland-ukraine-waffenlieferungen-afd-a-10bbf76f-bc59-4d16-ae68-11ba716dacf1
about 40 tanks were supposed be sent, not even that much but of course germans blocked it anyway
>According to El Pais, Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez had made the tank offer to Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelenskiy during a visit to Kyiv, but the plans had been put on hold due to the complexity of the operation, which also required approval from the German parliament
Why lie so blatantly about it? Takes 2 minutes to google
maybe Poland has to save some stuff to be able to defend itself morons.
Now show how many tanks germany donated
>Where's the Leopards?
Why hasn't poland sent any?
still no reply, kek
>why won't they send their very last tanks?
you guys are not the smartest bunch, huh?
>why won't they send their very best tanks?
ftfy
>why won't they send tanks that need at least a few months of training and can't be used right away?
same thing was said about gepard and not its pulling for more than its weight
no idea what you're babbling about, but gepard is not a MBT anyway
are you moronic on purpose?
the frick are you seething about now? that i called your ESL mumblings a "babble"? or because i said that FLAKs are, in fact, not MBTs, therefore comparing them to Leopards is pretty stupid?
Poland donated its old stuff in the hopes it could scam some newer leopards of Germany. proving once again they are literally the Black folk of Europe
The only country screeching about leokeks was germany, they've promised the same 50 outdated tanks to Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Greece. Then they've changed their mind and said they'll deliver them straight to Ukraine. So far they didn't deliver a single one anywhere.
Why'd Poland want this garbage if they're getting 250 best tanks in the world anyway? You guys are seriously obsessed and it's pathetic
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The sad thing is he's probably serious.
Cringe attempt my dude
Oh look, it's the hourly vatnik divide and conquer propaganda.
Frankly,. I am insulted you morons are so obsessed with just Poland and Germany, especially when even Serbia and Kazakhstan are exporting arms to Ukraine.
Something hilarious has happened, I just know it. The Russian shills are in overdrive.
>Pushes for poland to deliver WR-40, RM-70, Rosomak, Poprad, Osa
>must be a russian shill
Why won't germany send Boxers, Puma, Leopards 2A7, Marders?
Because no other NATO country send western IFV's or MBT's.
But Poland still has good or okay eastern shit they could provide to Ukraine, but don't.
So you are fine with Ukraine losing as long as Germany get blamed for it
Rosomak is a fricking multi-role vehicle and Poland employs almost 400 of them as IFV's with a Hitfist-30P gun turret you dipshit
>Because no other NATO country send western IFV's or MBT's.
So much for being the leader of EU, huh?
>we're the leaders until we actually have to lead
>So much for being the leader of EU
Source? Quotes?
We're not sending our latest military stuff because we're still bordering Russia and Belarus and are under threat of attack, whereas you sit comfortably behind us and the biggest risk you have is Ahmed blowing himself out together with your ass at some concert.
>OP Makes thread yesterday
>OP makes second thread today
>Claims first thread is evidence for claims
>????
>OP is a homosexual.
>OP is a homosexual.
Indeed I am. tt:T
Not dividing, I am pushing poland to actually deliver useful shit to Ukraine instead of hogging the stuff Ukraine actually needs. And why are they lying about their 1.8 billion delivery? How does that help Ukraine?
>And why are they lying about their 1.8 billion delivery?
because we can and still Ukrainians will consider us their friends
not you hans, every Ukrainian i spoke with says you're fricking traitors
>Krauts not even mentioned once
>Pooland already in full damage control
Why do you let them live rent free in your head?
>I am pushing poland to actually deliver useful shit to Ukraine
If you wanted that, you would have gone to Polish sites and media and couched the accusations against PiS since this is all your doing.
You're just trying to bait the moronic poles and germans into having a fight over who is more moronic.
So why are you not translating it into polish and inform the people how PiS is not helping Ukraine enough? I'd do it if I spoke the language
Because he's full of shit
Yeah, guess poles really need to pretend they are better than Germoney, because they simply can't even compete. They are trying so hard and Germoney beats them without noticing
Who says I'm not?
Although frankly I'm tird of arguing with PiSsants.
>You're just trying to bait the moronic poles and germans into having a fight over who is more moronic.
This, trips confirm
Low hanging fruit for d&c shills
If someone really wanted to take a shot a countries that don't deliver in that regard, than there are way better ones than Poland or Germany
Lmao the germs are fricking seething, i know that you kraut subhumans freezing this winter is just Russian propaganda, but how i wish it was real...
I doubt that the thread is made by a german.this seems more like a low effort troll thread to rile up german and polish posters.
So it's that bad out there??. Oh, how those poor conscripts must be getting mauled, since your shill efforts seem to be on the rise again. But. Probably as always, since it's vatnik shilling, the situation is the other way around. Shill as fast as you can comrade. Your mosin is waiting.
vatBlack person shill propaganda thread
>poland hates ukies
Partialy true, some of us, a small majority still hate them, but not with burning passion like they used to, it was contained to small b***hing and moaning, as for myself, im enjoying my volouptus ukie gf, thank you putler, you truly made us bury the hatchet of war and move on
Daily dose of germ seethe
Dumb vatnik propaganda as usual. Next anti german thread when?
Never trust Polaks, they're biggest backstabbing scum of the slav world.
t. czech
there's no way a t-72 only costs 500k
That was the unit cost in 2011. Source is literally given
https://www.reuters.com/article/ozatp-ethiopia-tanks-ukraine-20110610-idAFJOE7590IR20110610
>30 countries don't send western tanks
>Must be Germoneys fault
I don't see Poland stepping up.
>I don't see Poland stepping up.
Nice deflection, we have sent more tanks than you have in your entire army.
So where are the counterbattery radars, modern rocket artillery, modern IFV's or mobile anti air systems? Those are actually needed in Ukraine, they got enough tanks from the russkies. Why haven't you sent more of those than Germoney has?
Good question kraut, where are they?
Why didn't you send any?
See
>Now show how many tanks germany donated
>50 T72M1 through Czechia
>40 BMP-1A1 through Greece
>30 BVP-1 through Slovakia
>28 M-55S through Slovenia
>230+ T72's from Poland in exchange for Leopard 2A4
Germany is the reason Poland "donated" their oldest shit to Ukraine.
So, Germany didn't donate shit then in terms of tanks?
read his post again, gay
Yeah, you didn't deliver shit.
How long is your government gonna be blocking those Marders which you're not even using anymore?
So you're saying poland won't help Ukraine because Germany doesn't? I see. And that's why they lie about those 1.8 billion?
Where's that 1.8 billion you promised? Germoney delivered it, you greedy poles only delivered 1/3 of that
You're bad at this, or a genuine schizo
>we wuz deliverd 230 T72
>115 million
Where's the rest you greedy bastards? You actually want Ukraine to lose.
Ukraine winning is loss for EU and Germans know it tho can't openly say anything about it since permanent globohomosexual occupation since like '45.
They can only stall and play stupid tho globohomosexual blew up their pipeline to remind them against doing that.
>this entire post
>"Airbus and VW can't be bigger than Boeing and GM"
... and it won't be anymore
Let's see Polands equivalents then.
Could you even name them right now?
How much do you charge Poland to rent your brainspace?
This thread started out to be about Poland, it wasn't me who brought Germany into it due to your severe insecurities lol
yes, you did, by virtue of distinctive style of your autism
after the gas gets turned off this winter some dumb polish plummer with his van will be worth more.
niet dat ik er naar uitkijk maar als je je gat verbrand dan moet je op de blaren zitten.
Maar nu kan ik al zeker zeggen dat je je gat niet gaat verbranden aan een gasvuur oosterbuur
And an ik ook to you
>i love goold, yesh yesh yesh
>"...after the gas gets turned off this winter..."
Dumbass, not only has Russia shut off all gas ot Germany, both Nordstream pipelines are "kaput" right now. Not that it matters to Germany. They have tapped into other (non-Russian) sources of natural gas and are at 98% storage capacity.
So, in a couple of months time when news of hundreds of dead conscriptovitches freezing into gopniksicles in their trenches, just remember there will be Germans sipping cocoa in their warm little cabins. Pic fricking related.
frick off warsaw pact backstabber. Your grandpa proudly served soviet union and you're now proudly serving globohomo.
M-m-m-uuuhh GLOBOHOMO
I was asking how many tanks have krauts delivered, can you answer my question instead of whatabouting?
500 Leopard 2A7, but it was unanounced. Like $1.2 billion in tanks from poland
Tanks are coming once Poland delivers the remaining 1.2 billion to Ukraine
>Yeah, you didn't deliver shit
ah alright so no ned for all the Ringtausch gear. Someone let all the countries know so they can get their stuff back
>poland cant into ring exchange
sad, the czechs win yet agian
That's very cool that other countries donated many tanks but anon was asking how many tanks krauts donated, if any.
>tanks tanks tanks
>Meanwhile Ukraine only wins because suprior rocket artillery, counterbattry radars and anti air systems
poles thinking they won the war all by themselves, lmao
Yeah, tanks, how many was it kraut?
>instant deflection
>dodging the question
Why are you being a disengenious moron? Every branch plays a role and both Ukrainians and Russians have stated armor companies have played a significant role in the recent counter-offensives.
>literally weapons that changed the course of the war
B-but muh tanks got in the last hit
germs never delivered any of those promised leopards you stupid Black person
The Ringtausch leopards aren't supposed to be sent immediately and nobody promised they would be.
moron.
>5 countries supposedly send their tanks to ukraine ONLY thanks to germans promising them Lepards in return
>Leos are never delivered anywhere
>uhmmm the tanks were actually never promised to anyone, you know?
>it still counts as german contribution anyway
how you homosexuals have the audacity to call anyone else a moron is beyond me
pajeet-tier level of self-awareness
>COBRA counterbattery radar
>Gepard
>IRIS-T SLM (in Ukraine since today, news will break tomorrow)
>MARS II
>4 Ringtausch programmes delivering more than 250 IFV's
Oh I dunno, maybe because we actually did. Even fricking Brits sent Stomer IVM's
>5 Poprad, 5 WR-40 and 50 KTO Rosomak are everything that stands between Polish victory or defeat against the Germans
lol, lmao even
Trust a Pole, pay the Toll.
Frick ya pussya
Dumb bait thread
|_T_|T_
Did a Pole rape this kraut's entire family, including the dog?
Please remember to report & hide, thank you.
Very organic thread, much obliged, I now hate Poland 🙂
>How dare you call out PiS for lying
Can't take facts, poole? How about you elect a government that actually cares about Ukraine?
Please stop seething over your fathers homeland, ok?
Post soviet weapons are the ones that Ukrainians don't need to train to use since they already use them.
dak, gshegosh pshchenkiewicz from wilno oblast here and can confirm, we hate holhols for being pro-eu and friendly with merkele and urine is not rel country. OP good patriot for his patria.
German armatard, I dub thee germatard.
I too hate polish plumbers now, here's (you), you made me realise i hate myself too, sage
I like how he made a screenshot of his OP this time so nobody will bother to actually check his sources and deboonk it like last time.
OP's brain.
Don't you have Oktoberfest to attend, before you close down all the ebil nuclear power plants, and freeze in the winter, Hans?
>Hans
try Ivan or Radko. It's a volga 'german' at best, and possibly yugo disapora.
Ossi rot goes too deep. Weren't it for Brandon admin breathing on their neck, krauts would outright change their name to NDDR.
>He's seething
Kek, enjoy getting conscripted vatBlack person
I can imagine there's some resentment towards the Ukies building in Poland these days.
Must be frustrating to have to sit and watch as someone else gets to massacre r*ssoids to the cheers of the rest of the world.
Stop being greedy, Ukro’s. You’re already getting 40 big ones from Uncle Sam. Why worry about a few millions from a country that is barely better off than you?
Woah another thinly veiled PrepHole thread on my /k/? I don’t believe it!
russoid subhumans still trying to split apart Europeans. not enough russian vermin died in leningrad
Though why am I even trying to get into an argument here. This thread reeks of false flag vatBlack person. Poland and Germany will continue to support ukraine. You can sneed all you want OP. Support among the general population in germany rose and its always been high in poland.
Why does Poland cause so much g*rmoid seething?
Because g*rms have always viewed poles as inferior, with the recent shift in global politics, the poles are starting to be seen as more the more reliable ally in the region. This particular schizo has been derailing every thread even tangentially mentioning Poland since the start of the war.
German day to day politics never mention Pooland, at all.
I wonder which country is truly obsessed here?
they did during the whole fish dying arc
>you see, when the entire river went breasts up and Pooland wanted to avoid any and all responsibility we kind of remembered they exist; for one week
Responsibility for what?
Your fake chemica spill theory?
>six gorillion fish died for no reason at all
>actually it was the Germs who pumped their filth upstream, hmmkay?
Okay, so you're gonna resort to just lying. Okay bro.
you tell me whose at fault then
Read up on on golden algae
eh, experts overe here came to the conclusion that it's mostly related to low water levels and this years heat
There's literally no need to lie. Neither the RTL group, nor the Öffentlich Rechtliche talk about it much, except when its somewhat related to ukraine. You know they also put those online right?
for the deaths probably nobody
anon i cant possibly care any less what you think, we are a nation that goes insane if its not obsessing about some shit 24/7, and for the last 20 years its been poland.
its both sad and funny.
>and for the last 20 years its been poland.
>its both sad and funny.
Anon, that's straight up wrong. I've caught you lying. I don't even know what the purpose of all this is. You can check the news online. Poland is barely ever mentioned. It only happens when they ask for reparations, if they have beef with the EU or if it is related to ukraine.
You're about as German as our resident vatniks are Russian.
That is to say, not at all.
here in germany there was a poll:
>who blew up the nordstream
>10% blamed Poland
if you dont obsess over Poland 24/7, you are not german.
this thread is pure russian D&C thread, anyway.
>if you dont obsess over Poland 24/7, you are not german.
To be fair, a lot of us joke about us doing it to frick over germany.
>if you dont obsess over Poland 24/7, you are not german.
literally nobody thinks about poland in germany. Meanwhile try to watch news on TVP and you see germany bein mentioned in every single report. It's quite the opposite in fact.
>literally nobody thinks about poland in germany.
anon i am sitting in germany right now.
right this second.
im in front of the TV.
i think Poland got mentioned at least 20 times since i woke up.
and its not even noon yet.
NEVER underestimate the power of german insanity, no one can obsess over shit as much as we do.
bullshit
t: also in Germany right now
post Bier, Zucker and Zeitstempel
Honestly I'm only annoyed by the Poles seething over Germany/germans. Every pole I got to know was alright and I don't have anything against them.
Even went there once to Krakow and Oswiecim.
Honestly I'm not surprised I don't get any (You's), most of the "Germans" in this thread are actually samegayging to feed their inferiority complex.
Keep seething, I still don't have anything against you.
samegayging poles*
frick
(you)
>most of the "Germans" in this thread are actually samegayging to feed their inferiority complex
more like to somehow get their quota together, gotta somehow make money
Yeah or that, I meant to say samegayging poles though. While I can understand in part the hate against Germany because of the shared history, it's not like poles have it really bad here.
As I said before, the poles I got to know in Germany were well integrated in society and working respectable jobs. It's more the Russians who are doing the shit jobs and never bother to learn decent German.
Also in this point in time lashing out against Germany is fricking stupid, as if the Soviet Union hasn't fricked Poland hard in the past.
I remember shopping at a flea market for military insignia. Strange that you absolutely couldn't find any Soviet stuff whatsover but plenty of Nazi stuff.
This is a good moment for both countries to pull together against a common enemy (Russia). But seething always prevails it seems like.
>But seething always prevails it seems like.
The current seething is mostly a gimmick to gain some votes before the next election, most of Polands populace doesn't treat it seriously.
The rants of the politicians doesn't prevent normal people from both countries working together though
Yeah you're right. Also Russia benefits most from disputes between EU/NATO countries so it's not unreasonable that part of the discussion are russian shills anyway.
It's a dangerous game, and reminds me of Russians talking about Dugin and Zhirinovsky as clowns that nobody is taking seriously. Although the latter obviously was just controlled opposition and the former, eh, snake island etc.
But I digress. This kind of embracing the nihilism and game theory antics leads to dangerous places.
Poland finds itself in a historical moment where it is proven right to entire Europe and the world, but instead of using it as a rallying cry to at least temporarily suspend petty squabbling the conservatives throw themselves into asking for german reparations. In a time when it would make more sense to pursue, at least until the russia is neutralized, some sort of national unity and common ground between coalition and liberals, the government rhetoric focuses on germany maybe more than russia.
I've been watching with mixed feelings of hope and trepidation, as I was rooting for the conservatives, partly because I think EU needs to have a conservative position represented, but then saw what became of polish broadcaster - it was abysmal before but somehow the conservative leadership brought it even lower towards russian level. That catholic TV stations unironically seems more objective source of news than national broadcaster.
I love Poland and am worried about it. Please don't frick yourselves up bros.
t. czech
Valid concerns, since populists like to pull out all the stops when faced with losing power, thankfully they are only Orban-lite as far as control goes.
In the end i hope the costs will be limited to some of the economic growth (due to their moronic economic policies) and the thing you mentioned - a missed chance of using that historic moment to unify the populace and improve Polands standing in the international community
>as I was rooting for the conservatives, partly because I think EU needs to have a conservative position represented
Sadly our conservative parties look more like a parody of proper ones than anything else
t: conservative myself
>Poland finds itself in a historical moment where it is proven right to entire Europe
Nobody was proven right.
Eastern europeans thought Russia is dangerous, the world thought Russia is placid with a competent military.
Turns out they're stumbling morons and no threat at all without nukes.
meh its mostly seethe tread made by poles. Remember the krab that went from he/his to she /her ? poles coped for days with posts how the pzh2000 is shit.
for the last 20 years i honestly cannot remember even 2 hours in german media without crying about poland.
its like our national pass-time, to be eternally butthurt about them.
shit, even our own national parades, half of them are focused on shitting on poland XD
lol what? its like a weekly tradition that poland crys like a baby for ww2 reparation because they want more gibs. what is at now ? like 13 trillion or something.
>crys
good morning sir
> national parades
Yeah, same on the other side. Although you don't see it anywhere outside media, folks on the border like each other, i work for with germans in Poland, poles work in Germany, it's all good if you turn off the tv
probably the most sensible comment. No idea why these threads are always so successful in sowing discord. No need to fight proxy wars for news outlets
>national parades
That's just Karneval you obvious plant
brot, mehl, timestamp
NOW
>I wonder which country is truly obsessed here?
Gee, I don't know, have you looked in the mirror?
It's just the usual business like in Russian or any slav military, when something is paid for from the government budget, suppliers inflate the price and everyone involved gets a cut and pretends it's normal. So the cost on the paper ends up exorbitant, most of that money just got stolen.
If OP is a kraut that's not so bad - he's butthurting because he deep inside knows that his country hadn't done enough and needs to cope somehow.
But if I had to guess, this post was typed by some brown BRICS hands.
>But if I had to guess, this post was typed by some brown BRICS hands
hitting the nail on the head anon. It's always the same pooland or kruat threads. I think the poland-seethe threads are made by vatnik diaspora in berlin
What are the strategic implications of tens of thousands of dead Russians in Ukraine when Ukraine isn’t even receiving the full amount of aid it has been pledged?
>tens of thousands of dead Russians in Ukraine
"Russians" in western media is mostly Ukrainians that are fighting on separatists side.
That’s why they needed to only mobilize 300000 Russians right?
SMO had 170000 Russians to begin with after all
counter point: who the frick cares
ukraine is europe and russias version of chainsaw and human trafficking narcostate mexico. made worse by slavs. seriously if slavs move into the hood, the blacks move away.
Very low effort vatman
since the kherson counter-attack there has been a noticeable increase in seething at poland, culminating with multiple anti-polka threads per day. You know the rusorc situation ot the frontline is dire if this is what shills have been reduced to.
Why would anybody seethe at poland now?
Krabs transitioned and pzh got chosen over it as well. Gepard got complimeted by ukr staff and IRIS is beeing delivered.
Cant blame it on the germans this time.
based polacks dumping their old garbage for new stuff, fricking all the ukrop girls and women and winning
just watch your car keys and you're ok
Г Г:T
damn, why didnt ukraine or russia think of it earlier? just go to your local T-72 dealer, buy 1000 of them for mere 500k a piece, win the war. if you do it right and fit under 14 days you can probably even return them, if they arent battered too much.
this divide-and-conquer shit didn't work the first 400 times you tried it, do you really think it will ever work now?
>this obsessed homosexual is still going
how do I achieve this level of autism?
never heard of your enemy's enemy? you don't have to love this guy but you'll be best pals as long as it lasts...
>filename
Anon you have some 'splaining to do.
Ukes are killing too many russkis, Poles are holding back hoping they can still get in on the action themselves
Is this tard level vatnik bant posting meant to get nations to hate each other? really. Kill all Russians.
All the charts about who is the biggest weapons donors to Ukraine are complete bullshit.
Aside from the US, which is it at the top, the rest of the rankings are bullshit.
>Imagine donating good military equipment to a group of people even more untermensch then your own
ESL newbie
>Reddit war tourist