Ain't 90% of Germany's problem dumbass bureaucracy preventing their guys from being actually equipped, and if you give them equipment they are actually pretty good? They just, you know, never have it unless they borrow it.
Kind of. Even before the war Germany's army was one of the top 10 best funded armies on the planet. The problem is that the German public was SO worried about corruption, the anti-corruption process costs so much, a corrupt military would have been cheaper.
I.e. it took 10 years and hundreds of millions for a simple order of US helmets to arrive. Why? Because they needed to put it into field testing to check whether the helmets work on German heads. They needed to test helmets. That were already used in battlefields in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria...
The new minister of defense is getting rid of a lot of the bureaucracy, reducing the amount of "extra sausages" in terms of equipment and creating more of a standard in equipment so larger orders can be made in bulk. If specialization is THEN needed you can take those standard pieces and just modify them. Out of necessity he is quite a competent figure since the emergency of rearmament made the leftist government give up their "gender parity" rule because of it, because normally either his role would have had to been held by a woman or another minister would have had to give up his position to be replaced by a woman but neither happened.
That's because US equipment is substandard, cheaply made, and usually only exists to provide kickbacks for the American MIC. Only Europeans know how to conduct proper warfare.
>leftist government give up their "gender parity" rule because of it, because normally either his role would have had to been held by a woman or another minister would have had to give up his position to be replaced by a woman
Your government almost makes ours look sane.
That's Greens for you. Shame they were ever allowed into power.
Another fun fact: Our Secretary of Commerce's qualifications are "co-author of children's books". Green party too.
Reminds me of that old communist joke:
Tito is visiting the nail factoy
So he asks some random worker; how many nails can you make in one day? Worker says 1000. Tito: this is a disgrace! I can make 100 000. So tito take's his tools and starts to woork... at the end of day, Tito is worn down but he menaged to make 100 000 nails and he fulfiled producion plans by 150%.
Satisfied, he turns to that worker and says; 'That is a way to do it', but worker corresponds; 'yes comrade tito, but you are turner, I am college professor'
they are the only ones getting things done after years of reformer shit. but don't worry, we will vote reformer shit back into power and then get nothing done again for decades. germany doesn't want things to change and it has become obvious. the greens are literally carrying this government and the only objection one can have is that they actually also make green politics (how dare they).
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Right.
Let's not forget that is was CDU that for 16 years sucked Russian dick.
I would drag my dick through a mile of broken glass, just to hear our green queen fart through a walkie-talkie.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>they are the only ones getting things done after years of reformer shit
Yeah, Mao also got shit done. Can't wait for the Großer Sprung nach Vorne, let's just hope it's the people like you perishing.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the greens are literally carrying this government
The only thing the greens are carrying is the endless lust for fucking kids.
>The problem is that the German public was SO worried about corruption, the anti-corruption process costs so much
Wait, you mean the 90% of funds that disappear in some dark corruption channels are actually ANTI-corruption measures?
If 90% of you budget for your military doesn't end up with your military, IDK what else you'd call that.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>90% of you budget for your military doesn't end up with your military
I still ask for a source, because you didn't provide one before, and now you have a new unfounded claim.
So, may i see it?
>constant state of needing EU gibs
That's a bit out of date. Poland is a net contributor now. The investment worked.
Poland get's more money out of European pots than it pay into. Stop the lies, Pavel.
These aren't handouts, it's compensation for opportunity cost and maintaining a stronger military as a border state. We don't exactly criticise the EU, we criticise entitled gays like you and Germans bureaucrats who try to sneak in regulations that benefit them at our expense into EU law.
It's ridiculous to see cucks from Western Europe get absolutely buttblasted when some other country uses its bargaining power to get a better deal. You still benefit massively from Poland being a part of this funky Union, so shut the fuck up, mind your own business and, most importantly, get off our fucking lawn.
>These aren't handouts, it's compensation for opportunity cost
lel
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can't deny anything I said, all you can do is giggle like a mental patient and go back to spouting your bullshit. Nobody was holding a gun to your heads or begging you for a handout. You agreed to pay that money, that's all part of business. If you go to a shop and buy something, you don't tell your friends that you gave the shopkeeper a handout, you fucking dumbass.
Or maybe you do, you actually sound retarded enough to think that the whole world would disappear without you.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You can't deny anything I said
Your claim is that 90% of the money the German military gets, ends somewhere else. You surely have evidence for that claim.
May i see it?
https://i.imgur.com/axDGteo.jpg
>Poland get's more money out of European pots than it pay into. Stop the lies, Pavel.
Yea bro, "west" is fucking charity and not hyper capitalism.
See, i told you Pavel wasn't honest, he compares private companies giving Polish citizens jobs with EU gibs flowing to them.
He has a point tho. There is no fucking way that Germany set EU to force them to give charities to poorer nations.
>He has a point tho
He doesn't. There is no point, he is plainly and simply wrong and pulls BS out of his Polish arse. And so are you.
The facts are:
* Poland has given less to Ukraine in military, humanitarian and economic gibs than the Netherlands, UK, Canada, Japan or Germany.
* Poland receives 16 billion more out of the EU fund than they pay in
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Poland receives 16 billion more out of the EU fund than they pay in
No he doesn't, Poland economically benefits a lot more from the EU than Western Europe because of all the jobs and infrastructure created by foreign investment & cohesion funds. The EU expanding to post-communist countries was done for political and geostrategic reasons.
>No he doesn't, Poland economically benefits a lot more from the EU than Western Europe because
And Germany is retarded enough to just let it happen whitout any gain. On what planet are you living.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not everything is about the economy anon.
For example, economically it would be a lot more beneficial to lift all Russian sanctions and certify NS2.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I doubt, just imagine the feasting of western companies on carcass of ukraine when time comes.
Everything for sale, everything for pennies on dollar and cheapest workforce in EU.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
What Germany is getting out of this deal is cheap labour colony for low to mid tier manufacturing and disposal of trash and waste that comes with said manufacturing
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Poland probably also looks forward to get read of really dirty industry like mining, smelters, coal power plants and shit like that, move those to Ukraine to someone that is in even shittier position than them, keep nicer jobs like final assembly while moving part of economy more towards services.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Poland probably also looks forward to get read of really dirty industry like mining, smelters, coal power plants and shit like that, move those to Ukraine to someone that is in even shittier position than them, keep nicer jobs like final assembly while moving part of economy more towards services.
And that is what retards from both sides dont understand. Both sides benefit from this to some extent.
Germans cause they don't have to do those shitty jobs and poles because they have a workplace.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and poles because they have a workplace.
Poles also get gibs to build necessary infrastructure.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Most Poles are well aware of that, the problem is all the retarded German commoners bitching about the whole deal and German elites constantly trying to meddle in our political affairs.
The truth is that if Germans didn't step in, Americans would've done it and the butthurt would've likely been even more immense. It's just that it's easier and more natural to do business with your immediate neighbors - but by god, do the Germans make a convincing case for us to start ditching them because of all the baggage they force on you when you enter into an economic relationship with them.
They genuinely provide the shittiest leadership in the entire Western world, and despite all their fuckups they demand all the continental nations to accept them as rulers. I'd say their intent is to sabotage the Union and the other member states, but in all honesty the country they've been sabotaging the most is in fact Germany.
I'm just fucking tired of their bullshit.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon I get all that but dont you fucking throw stones from glass house.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
NTA, but you might familiarise yourself with the declassified documents from the Kohl era. Realpolitik at its finest, but makes you think how many similar double games Berlin runs rn.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You do have a point I guess, but it's really up to Germany to drop all the nonsense and go back to a business-based approach.
And honestly, most of my complaints go back to Merkel and all her failed policies. Trying to throttle nuclear energy, getting too close with Russia, transforming EU into a bureaucratic monstrosity, the migrant crisis... this fucking whore almost ruined the continent and indirectly caused this war. What an absolute bitch.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>shittiest leadership in the entire Western world, and despite all their fuckups they demand all the continental nations to accept them as rulers
most of what you said I can go along but this is just blatant projection, especially the ruler part.
The occasional German politician throwing around Buzzwords and declaring in broken english how "germany iz zeh global leader in XYZ" or how "germany needs to lead europe" is nothing more than hot air and not a demand to be accepted as rulers, jesus
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
What projection? Poland didn't have the clout to have an impact on migration-related policies, gas deals with Russia, or the way we approach nuclear power across the continent. It's not exclusively Germany's fault, but most of that nonsense can be attributed to Merkel and EU officials who were either German or under the influence of Germany's soft power. If anything, Poland has been vindicated because of the war since everything we've been saying about Putin's ambitions and the Russian threat turned out to be true.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Your claim is that 90% of the money the German military gets, ends somewhere else. You surely have evidence for that claim. >May i see it?
That's a different anon, and predictably you're trying to deflect to something retarded. That's basically an admission you've got no argument there.
Typical entitled kraut midwit.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Poland get's more money out of European pots than it pay into. Stop the lies, Pavel.
Yea bro, "west" is fucking charity and not hyper capitalism.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
This fucker thinks that the inflows to Central Europe should be 0% and that outflows to Germany and other Western economies should be left as they are because they are entitled to the fruits of our labor.
This whole deal was fairly acceptable (unless you're from Czechia, like what the hell are you doing bros) back when it was all about growth, markets and labor access. But once you start adding constant EU meddling and nagging and all the black propaganda exploiting the sense of entitlement of Germans and the French it started getting insufferable.
I'm really glad these two gay countries are getting clapped because of this war, their soft power has been pure cancer for Europe. Shitskin migrants, war on nuclear energy, sucking off puccia to distribute their gas and oil... motherfuckers should be paying the whole continent reparations for all the shit they fucked up over the past 20 years.
And they have the audacity to complain about Americans when all the burgers really do is clean up their mess every fucking time. It's sickening to watch.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>comparing returns on foreign investment to EU cohesion funds
have a nice day you disingenuous twat
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
He has a point tho. There is no fucking way that Germany set EU to force them to give charities to poorer nations.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
No he doesn't, Poland economically benefits a lot more from the EU than Western Europe because of all the jobs and infrastructure created by foreign investment & cohesion funds. The EU expanding to post-communist countries was done for political and geostrategic reasons.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Poland economically benefits a lot more from the EU than Western Europe
No it does not. Western Europe or in case of Poland - Germany profits way more from that relationship. In simplified terms, for every € more that Polish worker earns because of EU/investments whatever German owners earn 3x as much.
It's so simple, I'm baffled that this is not clear fact to everyone.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
only a 3x gap? that's extremely good for a capitalist market economy
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes anon, that's generally how foreign investment work. Would you prefer if Polish workers earned 0 euros while German owners invest their money in Germany instead?
Non-EU foreign investment works the same way, difference is you don't get free gibs from them through EU cohesion funds or financial compensation for half the shit you sent to Ukraine while bitching about the EU not doing anything.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Would you prefer if Polish workers earned 0 euros
Sad shit is that increase in wages is not coming from investments but from working everyone to death burger style.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
EU will often publish stats like wages in Poland increased 100% since joining EU while wages in Germany jumped only 30% during that time while in reality those German 30% is more than whole average age in Poland.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
EU is as socialist a sit gets moron.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm in Croatia and want out of it.
Nothing good happened since we joined, just regressions everywhere and this fucking inflation and insane rise in prices of everything since we got euro'd five months ago is just icing on the cake.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I miss the kuna so fucking much its unreal.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Go to Serbia or Latvia and ask them about inflation.
I miss the kuna so fucking much its unreal.
I don't, it was a fake currency.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I don't, it was a fake currency.
At least it was stable unlike this shitty €.
Did you know that = symbol in € is supposed to represent stability? What a fucking irony in that one.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>At least it was stable unlike this shitty €.
bro, we have a severe trade deficit, we were experiencing constant inflation because of that and HRK was literally pegged to EUR since 2003 when we sold our gold. We need EUR to continue having trade deficit with no inflation. Also, EUR is the only non-meme currency on the planet that gained on USD in 2022.
I felt like a fucking milioner when I went to croatia on vacation 🙁
Go to Hungary lol
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>EUR is the only non-meme currency
It didn't gain shit, it was like 1:1.4 back in the day now it is 1:1.1 and this is will all the money printing Biden is doing yet EU is somehow printing even more.
God I hate EU so much, even chinkshit is now too expensive for me.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's because USD has been bulking as fuck in past 2 years, it BTFO'd all other currencies except EUR.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
One more thing EU started doing is taxing every damn parcel from outside of EU with mandatory tax and shitton of legal fees, it doesn't matter if it's even 1€ they'll tax it. You can't import shit anymore but have to buy overpriced from retailer garden gnome.
Like even fucking russians are tax exempt for private imports up to $800.
Free trade my ass.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Idk, I built my PC from Amazon.de, I wasn't taxed anything additional.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I felt like a fucking milioner when I went to croatia on vacation 🙁
Kek, you didn't know? Charities and anti-corruption measures are some of the most corrupt places in modern democratic nations. China's political purges are run through anti-corruption systems while American deep state bribery is laundered through NGOs. Traditional money in a suitcase type corruption is mostly limited to third-world zones like Russia or Africa.
>The problem is that the German public was SO worried about corruption, the anti-corruption process costs so much, a corrupt military would have been cheaper.
I'm pretty sure if any organization has its actual working staff drastically outnumbered and outfunded by administrative makework bureaucrats who don't do anything, that IS corruption.
Like Canada's healthcare system where you literally have more administrators than doctors & nurses, so nobody can get a family doctor anymore and taxes just get pissed into this black hole of office workers who do fuckall.
>Ain't 90% of Germany's problem dumbass bureaucracy preventing their guys from being actually equipped
Yes, but that's a huge problem.
If Germany got their shit together now in 10 years they could have a good -not great- military. But as it stands today the German army is a joke.
it doesnt matter because all the germans from that area (really germanized poles) were forced out to west germany and replaced mostly by poles from the areas annexed by the USSR after the war
>what I've heard about them their pretty chill
I had polish student erasmus housemates, it was literally like living with unironic tradcath 4chantards, they would always be blasting catholic shit and talking shit about all other Eastern Europeans saying that Poland is Western Europe.
That said, I have an older polish friend (in his late 50s) and he's chill as fuck, but he also thinks Poland is cringe as fuck.
Poland is cringe, don't buy in to bigger army bullshit, our demography can't support that and everything is bought with loans and many of that deals suck ass. I and most of my friends dont go to church anymore, especially since church is taking part in political games and most people is pro EU, thats why PiS can't do what GB did.
t. Polak
Because i live here and see how things are going, inflation is eating my money, people seems to think we're some kind of superpower, and people are divided by people that supposed to lead us. Politicians openly stiling mony and are placing their familly members in lukreative jobs where they got loads of mone and did nothing usefull, and all that is just a tip of an iceberg, I just have that fealing of helplesnes about that country and if shit hit the fan i will be a 1st refugee in Czech republic watching that patriotic morons dying because we bought 500 abrams but lack modern equipment for our infantry.
Because he's a shitlib that doesn't have anything to do with the army and doesn't own guns.
, a piece of shit that will run as soon as your country experiences an issue?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're on PrepHole - do you own any guns, gay? I do. Didn't take a lot of effort to get the permit.
Pretty sure you don't, you're the kind of a person that'd only bitch, moan, and complain without trying to fix your problems.
Stay poor and unarmed, as your compatriot I don't give a shit.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Really touched the nerve, eh?
Why are you afraid of defending your country?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're the one who keeps bitching, complaining and spewing bullshit. I'll go to war if they call me up, don't you worry. I just hope I won't have to serve with cunts like you.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm a Croat, so you probably will.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Now I'm starting to think I got confused about what you meant.
You were telling that asshole:
https://i.imgur.com/VoUzd4S.jpg
Because i live here and see how things are going, inflation is eating my money, people seems to think we're some kind of superpower, and people are divided by people that supposed to lead us. Politicians openly stiling mony and are placing their familly members in lukreative jobs where they got loads of mone and did nothing usefull, and all that is just a tip of an iceberg, I just have that fealing of helplesnes about that country and if shit hit the fan i will be a 1st refugee in Czech republic watching that patriotic morons dying because we bought 500 abrams but lack modern equipment for our infantry.
... that he's a gay, right? If so, forgive me for my outburst, it's really fucking late and I'm tired.
>poland 2030
You fags make fun of jeets for the same shit dont let poland get away with it
India is a fucking sewer and their ruling class(caste) has always hated 95% of the population. Poland at least has the human capital to make a decent ally. Say what you want about gae goi meatshields, but it's easy to understand why they hate ruskis.
Their argument is that everything bad in the UK is the fault of leftist subversives that control the economy from the shadows, trade unions, striking nurses, those fucking communists in (checks notes) the WTO and Deutsche Bank, etc.
Everyone except the actual guys in charge of the country and the economy basically
It's a combination of Poland's economy growing fast and Britain's economy going to shit since Brexit and them probably using GDP PPP instead of Nominal GDP
It's a bit of an illusion. The media in the UK has an extremely heavy London/South East England bias so almost everything you see represents that area. It's honestly like a foreign country compared to the rest of the UK.
Article is comparing PPP (Poor people points) instead of true GDP and also assumes the rate of GDP gain/loss maintains the same for both nations respectively. You saw similar projections with China supposedly going to surpass the US' GDP by around this time going back ages when their GDP growth was at its peak in the double digits. Obviously that slowed down substantially in 2022 and is unlikely to get back anywhere close to the growth rate they saw prior. Similarly the UK is going through a period of relative decline due to BREXIT, but given time and renegotiating trade deals they should be bouncing back. They will never be at the same rate as pre-BREXIT but they will also not be in terminal decline.
Articles like these are written by economists and economists are gigantic hack frauds pretending that their field is a science and relies on everything being the same in perpetuity.
>Articles like these are written by economists and economists are gigantic hack frauds pretending that their field is a science and relies on everything being the same in perpetuity.
Ditto.
t. majored in economy, though thankfully not working in that field. Depending on the audience I could successfully defend nearly any fucking viewpoint using studies as evidence, despite the fact that they were mutually exclusive.
It's as much a science as palm reading in many ways.
Britain’s economy is just that fucked. Contrary to what the yanks think, it’s not Brexit, (if the EU is so great why don’t you join it? Didn’t think so) it’s that we can’t build anything and our energy prices are through the roof. The ratio of income of to house prices has been the US’s peak but all over the country and for about ten years. Successful industries like bio science can’t build lab space. We can’t build infrastructure. We can’t build power plants or connect them to the grid. Our Conservative Party is useless and not remotely conservative or pro free-market so the British people are having to triangulate their own politicians by voting in the Reds just to force the Conservatives to conduct a massive Purge and get their act together. The whole process will take about seven years if we get it right first time.
It’s been Blairism since 1997. The laws that produced the building/planning issues was introduced in the 50s, but it’s taken a while for the impact to be felt. Thatcher complained about rising house prices in the 90s.
Anyway, glad you agree.
Highest tax burden since WW2 is Thatcherism apparently.
Refusing to lower corporation tax to the level it was for most of Labour’s reign? Thatcherism.
Constantly subsidising demand with housing, energy and childcare instead of improving supply? Classic Thatcherism.
Words actually mean things, you know. “Thatcherism” doesn’t simply mean “things I don’t like also I hate Thatcher reeeee”.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Tax rates were higher under Thatcher, but the tax burden was lower. Weird that.
It's not Polish cold fusion that'll close the gap, it's British hot garbage. Never seen a country so intent on destroying all it's industry, services and trade for at best some symbolic feel-good politics. Most others (you know who) at least start an ill-adviced war beforehand, Britain does it during relative peace. They have so much 70s and 80s nostalgia, they're trying to make the experience complete by fucking the working middle class to pulp like the good ol days.
It's not Polish cold fusion that'll close the gap, it's British hot garbage. Never seen a country so intent on destroying all it's industry, services and trade for at best some symbolic feel-good politics. Most others (you know who) at least start an ill-adviced war beforehand, Britain does it during relative peace. They have so much 70s and 80s nostalgia, they're trying to make the experience complete by fucking the working middle class to pulp like the good ol days.
Unpopular opinion time:
You can tell how fucked a country is by the way it treats its farmers.
Prove me wrong.
To be fair, they have too goddamn many of them inside a country the size of a post stamp. Even with the best intentions, you're gonna have massive problems in the long run due to concentration per square mile alone. These farmers were sold sunshine and rainbows constantly, with nobody willing to pump the brakes due to large industry players lobbying to keep up the facade of infinite growth. They should really cut down on the giant cattle factories and invest instead in smaller farms with quality products, with a focus on better prices and compensation.
>Just have a smaller farm better quality for the eco/bio-crowd bro!
Next level delusion.
The amount of red-tape and bureaucracy states throw at you if you want to produce "quality" products makes dealing with it or getting into an even bigger pain in the ass than just having aforementioned "giant cattle factories".
t. my uncle in germany wanted to do exactly that, now he literally sells beef on the black market instead.
Dairy Farmer here
Only 8,000 dairy farms left, used to be almost 100,000 40 years ago, more and more insane regulation- now they're paying us literally not to farm, re-wilding and other bullshit. Essentially DEFRA is trying to micro-manage the entire industry, nationalisation via regulation- its why food has gone up higher than inflation, though if your the last one standing, you get to reap the profits- average dairy farm net income went up 57% from £80k to £140k in 2021/2022 alone, barely anybody knows how to do it anymore- people think its for retards -good luck giving a £350,000+ gross revenue average dairy farm business with robots (70% have them),tractors and all sorts of machinery and enough infrastructure to feed 1,000+ people, an average £4,000,000+ capital to maintain and run to a pair of random blokes on the street, - Yes it needs to be just two to keep labour costs low enough to generate a profit and they will have to do everything from being a mechanic to a vet to a plumber etc, to actually run it competently. Of course of the government actually put itself in charge of running it, they would need a plumbing/builders/vet/machinery certs/licences, insane health & safety/ CSCS cards etc, etc, etc, so much bureaucracy would be required that the entire country would literally starve or food would go up 3x/4x.
Lack of Farm workers mostly, the new regulations that the government itself passed from 2016 onwards has fucked it way more, energy/fertiliser costs have impacted it far more than any Brexit trade changes.
You do realise after Brexit the UK went up a rank in GDP, right? Articles like this use PPP which is absolutely terrible metric of marking wealth. As for 'lol you left the EU' the Bongs joined a different economic bloc instead.
Also imagine being OK with being ruled by unelected politicians in another country and thinking 'more money for the elite' is a good trade for that. I say that and I'm fucking Irish and I hate the EU for stoking up the NIRA again with the Northern Ireland agreement. We're not a fucking pawn because the Germans and French are pissed off.
You don't know how the EU works, but that's fine, you're a moron. The UK took a bullet for the team and no country will be trying to leave the EU in the next few decades.
>You do realize after Brexit the UK went up a rank in GDP
Where are you getting this from?
>The post-Brexit trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU.
https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/
>Chart 1 shows quarterly estimates of the cost of Brexit to the second quarter of 2022. UK GDP is 5.5 per cent lower than that of the doppelgänger. Investment is 11 per cent lower; goods trade, 7 per cent lower; and services trade is around the same.
https://www.cer.eu/insights/cost-brexit-june-2022
>You do realise after Brexit the UK went up a rank in GDP, right?
Must have been right after, because it sure as fuck isn't now. What's funnier is how you keep vomiting Russian horseshit after it all went tits up for you. You're not only a docile, servile fuck, you defend this way of being to the death.
>Must have been right after, because it sure as fuck isn't now. What's funnier is how you keep vomiting Russian horseshit after it all went tits up for you. You're not only a docile, servile fuck, you defend this way of being to the death.
Russia might not like the EU but they damn sure don't like the UK. They don't see Germany and France as eternal enemies like they do the US. They see the UK and the US as being the ones that keep France/Germany from staying Russian allies. The other three always gravitate towards each other before being pulled apart.
So I don't see how anything he's saying defending Brexit is pro-Russian. It was inevitable that leaving the EU would cause trade and travel disruptions but that's a temporary phase that was to and has been ironing itself out as alternative agreements and supply chains get worked out.
>Its not, these people are literal shills
Translation: I got duped by actual Russian bots into fighting against my interests, and are now too invested in hurting myself to confront reality.
You're some special kind of idiot.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you stop to think about what you just posted, you might realize that it is profoundly retarded. No, I'm not gonna elaborate, you're too fucking stupid to understand. have a nice day, please.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sorry, tardlard, the only one in desperate need of stopping and thinking for a minute is you. You're completely off the rails with your sunk cost idiocy.
They're not even literal paid shills like other anon says
People are brainwashed polarised NPCs, the damage is done and these 'people' will never be capable of coherent logical thought, open mindedness and critical thinking >X BAD >Y GOOD
I think you're talking about yourself, it's fucking embarrassing to watch. Some bots on Facebook coerced you into fucking your economy and you not only gleefully agreed, you're defending your abject fucking stupidity and mistakes years later. Un-fucking-canny.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
When stripped of all the rhetorical nonsense, this argument boils down to "domestic retards caused some serious damage, so it's time to support our foreign enemies".
It's genuinely unsettling to see so many people fall for that. It's even more unsettling to see politicians and media celebs try to exploit those sentiments for short-term personal gain.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The enlightened fence sitter
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Has it ever occured to you that maybe domestic issues will get worse if you allow your foreign adversaries to win and expand their sphere of influence at your expense?
Like, what do you think will happen when your corrupt politicians and corporate scumbags get cut off from foreign populations to exploit? You think they are going to behave, or just cannibalize your nation?
There's only one thing worse than retarded management on a national scale, and that's losing a war, even if it's only by proxy.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>"domestic retards caused some serious damage under the influence of subversion, let's forgive the instigators and blame it all on the retards because I'm affiliated with the former"
Doesn't sound very compelling. You're constantly getting caught, but you're so deprived of self-awareness you still want to pretend you had no involvement. Hilarious.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I used "domestic retards" as an umbrella term that covers your corporate scumbags and politicians too, because you need to be retarded to undermine your power by abusing the goodwill and trust of the population for short-term gain like that. I'm not going to point fingers or defend anyone here, because I'm not an American and it's not my business.
I'm just making a rather obvious observation - getting defeated by a foreign adversary is going to hurt you and won't solve your domestic problems. Based on historic evidence, it is in fact likely to make them much worse.
> Confirmed shill.
For handguns
Something you will never enjoy
Wow at coping away every bad news, Russia style. It explains why your country slid into poverty
brit here, go fuck yourself you absolute retard, quality of life has gone down since brexit considerably, for what? So that we don't get to have stickers on our bananas? Fuck off cunt
Brexit has ramped up the paki importing into overdrive, at least slavs basically turn into brits after a few generations >t.grandad was a ukie import after the second world war
Brexit is just part of the issue, but UK has been on a downward trajectory since 08.
The issue is, it's entire political and media elite are like, peak true believer Neoliberals and have built their entire economy around the City Of London neglecting everything else. Because they are Neolib true believers, they actually believe bullshit Neoclassical garbage like Austerity being good for the economy, so they've implemented such a struct regime of austerity on the UK for the past 15 years that even the fucking IMF of all people are like "this is purely ideological and you're running your country into the ground".
UK had the chance to get out of the trap with Corbz, but instead, decided to vote for Johnson and Brexit, then purge the entire left out of politics, replacing them with the pro-austerity, FIRE Blairites who got the UK into this shit state to begin with.
The UK will keep sliding down to I think southern europe tier and sit around there. It's a country in decline and it honestly gets worse here by the year. There aren't even public toilets anymore because it's such a low trust society and shit like AUKUS is the biggest fucking cope in existence.
>UK had the chance to get out of the trap with Corbz
This is where I stopped reading and was finally convinced that you actually consume paint in vast quantities.
If this is the trailer for Solidarity 2: Electric Boogaloo, then put me down for a pair of tickets on opening night. It might just be that rare sequel that improves on the original.
Holy shit what the fuck is that? These 4th ID soldiers look like awkward middle schoolers. Are they trying to stand at attention? They can't even do that right. The poles aren't much better
If Russia is having so much trouble against just Ukraine, Poland would be a complete shitstomping. >better trained >better armed >better funded >have a centuries-long axe to grind with Russia
Understandable. Much like Buddhism in Japan, after a certain point aspects of the religion are so ingrained in the culture that even people who aren't religious still perform the rituals because it's part of cultural tradition now (if you ask the average Japanese person what half of the Buddhist rituals they do mean, they couldn't tell you). Religion and culture end up so intertwined that you can't really tell them apart anymore.
While you're right that cultural tradition and religion have effectively become the same thing in both countries, it's still not a very good comparison because Poland is still a deeply religious country while Japan is an atheist nation in all but name. For Japan it's more of a "we've always done it this way and it's worked out so far, why change?"
They said Poland not the Polish so that implies GDP.
The British economy has been in contraction since the turn of the 20th century and I doubt the contraction will stop anytime soon.
>2 more weeks!
UK is 5th gdp globally, it jumped from 6th last year. If the number 5 economy is a bad position to be in then the majority of Europe is completely fucked lol
PrepHole being overrun with pro-EU shills really shows how fucked this board is, since pro-EU shills are in fact vanishingly rare on the Internet outside of the Guardian
It's the influx of Eastern euros since the invasion of Ukraine, they adore the EU because it forced them into being civilised countries with working economies, now what your seeing is the endless parroting of muh EU army and UK doomed 2 more weeks because Poland can afford a few Leopard tanks lol
UK has almost double Poland's population so total GDP sounds impossible, as opposed to per capita, which is just very unlikely.
Only thing closing the gap right now is that Polish government is (very) slightly less retarded than the UK government.
PPP makes Poland look better because land is so much cheaper there than anywhere in western Europe. They have cheap land because they have a declining population. This is totally sustainable.
It is as long as they keep imigration in check as hardcore as they do. When you don't have to spend half of your GPD on social services from people who are not supposed to be there you tend to do well for yourself and keep housing costs down.
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Anonymous
But they do? The whole reason current Polish government has remained in power for as long as it has was that they essentially bought voters with gibs. Polish social services are an insane money sink.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Let's not pretend being the biggest net drain on the EU has nothing to do with it shall we
I see, so what you are saying is the new European rankings will be in 2030 will be: >1. Germany >2. Poland >3. UK >4. France
Hahahahahahaha Are you sniffing petrol anon? Pull the other one you deluded freak.
Brexit is just part of the issue, but UK has been on a downward trajectory since 08.
The issue is, it's entire political and media elite are like, peak true believer Neoliberals and have built their entire economy around the City Of London neglecting everything else. Because they are Neolib true believers, they actually believe bullshit Neoclassical garbage like Austerity being good for the economy, so they've implemented such a struct regime of austerity on the UK for the past 15 years that even the fucking IMF of all people are like "this is purely ideological and you're running your country into the ground".
UK had the chance to get out of the trap with Corbz, but instead, decided to vote for Johnson and Brexit, then purge the entire left out of politics, replacing them with the pro-austerity, FIRE Blairites who got the UK into this shit state to begin with.
The UK will keep sliding down to I think southern europe tier and sit around there. It's a country in decline and it honestly gets worse here by the year. There aren't even public toilets anymore because it's such a low trust society and shit like AUKUS is the biggest fucking cope in existence.
>/pol/tard tier rant
Your opinion was discarded with the mention of Corbyn. >no public toilets
Confirmed you don't leave your house
https://www.toiletmap.org.uk/
Here is a map, touch grass incel.
>I see, so what you are saying is the new European rankings will be in 2030 will be: >>1. Germany >>2. Poland
Germany will not be Nr.1, in fact we will make sure they either pay reparations or get shunned everywhere.
Poland is in the center of Europe and will take it's rightful place as the leading nation.
>UK is 5th gdp globally, it jumped from 6th last year. If the number 5 economy is a bad position to be in then the majority of Europe is completely fucked lol
GDP is a poor measure of an economy and the metric alone doesn't tell the full story. Singapore has a higher GDP that the entire USA, but no one seriously considers Singapore to be a global economic powerhouse.
PrepHole being overrun with pro-EU shills really shows how fucked this board is, since pro-EU shills are in fact vanishingly rare on the Internet outside of the Guardian
anti-EU shills are all brown tho, just like 90% of Brexit voters. All the Ranjeshes and Mohammad Muhammeds around here voted for Brexit because they thought it meant kicking out all the EEuropeans (something like 10% left on their own rest stayed lol) and importing around 309576309574693405 more of their cousins (100% correct, even gays like Farage was promoting importing thirdies to fill gaps in shit jobs)
Not at all. Imagine the Ukrainian army in 2014 with slightly better equipment. That's what you should expect. Bulletproof vests aren't even standard issue for fucks sakes.
t. Polish soldier
Wow 100+ posts in a thread about Poland yet some British cunt makes it about their future thirdworld shithole.
Regarding the topic at hand, this anon is correct . Poland has a staffing problem with their volunteer army because shockingly, like every other Western country, they pay their people like shit and their military is run by delusional boomers who let their previous MIC rot. So what does Poland do to fix this problem? Buy a bunch of hardware but not actually fix the problems with their military.
Unironically buying a bunch of hardware can in a way help fix the lack of volounteers. Theres a difference between serving in an army with modern equipment and one where you would most likely be stuck with soviet shit, with the latter not doing wonders when it comes to creating enthusiasm to serve in could-be recruits
I agree that our army has many problems and it would probably not fare much better than Ukraine. Especially now that most of the heavy equipment got sent to Ukraine.
People saying otherwise obviously have no fucking idea what's going on.
Polish soldiers bitching about us sending heavy equipment to Ukraine seem to forget that realistically the only other option was to send them in along with their AFVs.
I wouldn't really mind, but imagine how loud the part of the army that's complaining right now would REEEEEEEE if it came to that.
MON should probably put more focus on improving morale and communicating to the soldiers what their role is in the current political situation. Many people who serve in the army seem to be confused and frustrated about being neglected above everything else.
It's understandable to a certain extent, but a lot of the shit people say in private isn't healthy for the force.
Russian 2ch seems to think Poland is going to grab Western portions of Ukraine when it collapses. It’s like common knowledge that Poles are all over Kiev.
Polish government on September 1st was sure they only need to hold out until France and UK wipe the floor with Germans and they did a pretty good job for 16 days until Soviets absolutely wrecked their backline.
Nobody thought that the war would last 6 years either.
Whut? WW2 Poland's army was a husk hollowed out by a decade of corruption that was beaten by the Germans in little over two weeks. It was one of the most pathetic showings in the entire war. The Soviets didn't enter the war until after the bulk of the Poles had already been crushed. The only 'success' the Poles had was retreating out of the country with what remained of their army.
bro what are you talking about. Polish army in ww2 was pretty ok back then, what fucked poland was bad leadership that decided to flee poland when shit hit the fan.
I am talking corruption, anon. The kind of corruption that resulted in a significant percentage of Poland's army lacking ammunition, food, water and working guns. The usual corruption you get after an authoritarian strongman launches a coup on a democracy so gerrymandered that its voter base had become disillusioned with democracy as a concept. Which allowed the authoritarian strongman to install himself and his cronies in key positions not based on merit, but loyalty. While nationalizing key industries, allowing his friends and family to personally profit off the country's wealth while disenfranchising the middle class.
Poland's WW2 military was just another thing that got looted by the dictator and his cronies.
>Poland's WW2 military
And here i thought you talk about PiS. They got a good amount of money of money for the controcts with the South Koreans, didn't they?
Well, you have to make sure you and your cronies have enough, right?
Polands economy is deeply dependant on EU gibs and foreign industries. They will never surpass britain, not in a million years. And i'm saying this as a continental bong hater.
Poland will, in just a few years, be the only friend of the USA in Europe. As France, Germany, Italy and Japan look for leadership from Poland, they will not want to deal with the US anymore.
Poland will take it's rightful place in Europe and dominate the discourse, as it should have 15 years ago.
>their army already matches NATO standards >they are making friends with a country, that turns nuclear superpowers into a joke >they're already implementing mechanisms for simple integrations of civilian services for people gaining the most relevant combat experience in the world >they already host more than 2 millions of citizens of their battle-hardened neighbor and the citizens are happy with it >they tend to mirror with upscale the structure and composition of ukrainian military.
Competent enough to steamroll Belorussia in a couple of months.
Poles,Ukes, Balts and Nordics will be the future powerblock of Europe to challenge west EU. UK is too much of a wildcard to call since they have their own policies to pursue though I'd imagine sticking it up to the French and Germans rank pretty high on that list.
I came off 4chan to regain my senses, and you retards are discussing GDP and racial woes. Either talk about what weapons the poles are gonna use when, not if, when they go fight the Russians, or grab your gun, leave your house, and start mowing down yids, hebes, and judes for making you uncomfortable.
It's clickbait but in 10-20 years Poland could actually catch up per capita, and if even half of their planned purchases happen they will soon have the best land army in Europe.
>Bongland is forever one of big few non useless, non economic colonial nation in the EU >One of the few providers within a house of open screaming mouths >Pooland is a German industrial colony, constant state of needing EU gibs since it joined >Totally gonna be a G7 cunt
Lmao, why do people even try coping with this delusional shit?
>armies >In some countries, such as France and China, the term "army", especially in its plural form "armies", has the broader meaning of armed forces as a whole, while retaining the colloquial sense of land forces
Poland has one army and you are Chinese
The commies were culled from High Command, the Russkie lovers were delegated to impotent whining over social media, the modernisation kicked into overdrive.
Generał CHADrzejczak explains
Holy shit these worthless gays live off EU handouts and still have the nerve to criticise the EU at every turn. They don't even have the decency to buy EU weapons with their bennies.
These aren't handouts, it's compensation for opportunity cost and maintaining a stronger military as a border state. We don't exactly criticise the EU, we criticise entitled gays like you and Germans bureaucrats who try to sneak in regulations that benefit them at our expense into EU law.
It's ridiculous to see cucks from Western Europe get absolutely buttblasted when some other country uses its bargaining power to get a better deal. You still benefit massively from Poland being a part of this funky Union, so shut the fuck up, mind your own business and, most importantly, get off our fucking lawn.
>Everything I don't like is puccian d&c
Have you been looking at the costs of climate policy, especially fit for 55 tailored to kill CEE competitiveness ?
>terminal German demographics that make Morgenthau coom in the grave >Pinko French little better
Intermarium + Scandifag accession to NATO is about walling off Moscow from the two retards in the room that would supply the tech & chips required for Russia & China do wage war at actual near peer level. Judging by Bundeswehr Generals complaints about having only 3 weeks of ammo and fight in them at the start of this Ukraine fiasco, Poland should like its chances.
>Average Annual Plumber wage >Poland £18,000 >UK £36,000
Gtfo you tramp, 1 English plumber earns more than 2 Polish plumbers lmao no ones going to that pit for work, you would earn more stacking shelves in tesco! Kek
>How competent are their armies ?
We'll soon find out, supposedly right now you can see gigantic plumes of smoke from eastern Poland since Putin is blowing up something on very border of Poland and Ukraine.
You will be fine with english.
50% of poles speak at least some broken english.
Today In local library some english speaking dude came and asked about how borrowing books work, lady behind counter tried to explain, but she speaked only broken english, then some dude stood up from reading and helped her out.
Ignoring that plenty of Poles speak some level of english anyway (which much like Filipinos, goes a long way towards why they assimilate so easily when moving to America), the language looks a lot more complex than it actually is.
>Polish diplomats and swimming association have protested after a German announcer at the European Swimming Championship in Berlin made a joke about Poles and car thieves.
Poland fought nazis and commies before and during WW2. The nazis treated them as sub-humans and threw them in camps. The Soviets could never 1v1 them and setup a communist puppet government in violation of Yalta. They did this because they knew in free and fair elections the Poles would reject communism. Thus both the far left and far right hate Poland but for different reasons.
>muhhhh communism
That was more than 34 years ago. Have fun embracing LGBTQ++++++ and the NATO-created refugee crisis. We did it folks we owned the evil straight white male homophobic communists.
what i've seen of poland recently has been impressive. for one, they actually have productive industries. it's equal parts hilarious and tragic that the UK has been mismanaged and asset-stripped so badly. not only is our GDP set to be overtaken by poland's GDP, but poland's GDP isn't being propped up by explosive immigration, property speculation, and little else.
>Has half the population of the UK >Is ranked 22nd in global gdp compared to the UK at 5th >Poland magically leap frogging Italy, Spain France etc before they even get to UK levels
Your hilariously deluded to think that fucking POLAND will be 5th largest world economy. You got excited now it's time to touch back down to reality.
right, "your" looking at the GDP as it is right now, completely ignoring both GDP's growth rates and failing to forecast a bit into the future. similarly, there's a post above talking about average wages but failing to take into account the stark difference in the cost of living. education in this country really has slipped, hasn't it?
>UK gdp drops slightly >Still jumps from 6th to 5th GDP in 2023
Bro just stop your embarresing >Cost of living
This isn't a UK only issue, you would know if you traveled around Europe this year.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>your embarresing
do english teachers even exist in this country anymore? are they all illiterate?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Are we on /r/grammar now? Cringe anon.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Ohhh noo the grammar and spelling on this Penis pill website is bad!
Get a grip lad, stop pretending to be from the UK and stop posting the same images in every thread trying to shill Poland as a first world nation. Its a shit hole, cherry picked images are for dribbling retards like yourself.
However
POOLAND 4TH WORLD GDP 2030 LETS GO BOOOYYYYYYSSSSS, clown.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
stop the cope, i'm from somerset. i don't care about poland, but i do care about the UK, and it shouldn't hurt your pride too badly to have a sober look at the state of this country and the trajectory it is on. poland is just a funny comparison.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Gable end blows down in record high winds
Why is this your gotcha webm? >Im from Somerset
Sure you are. >The state of UK
What? The high intrest rates like the rest of Europe? The high living cost like the rest? Fuel prices? The fact we are the 5th biggest gdp? Bro shut the fuck up, if you have an average job none of the above effects you. Your a disingenuous gay shitting up the board with 4chantier images. Do you even have a driving licence anon?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
you're happy with this country?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I love this country and I love the seethe it generates among turdies and continental gays
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
so why do you type like an american nig?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Poland is a developing state, a rapidly developing state.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Congratulations Poland you are in the same category as Albania, Romania and Macedonia!
>stark difference in the cost of living.
Nta but living at the dump is going to be cheaper than living in a first world nation. Who the fuck wants to live in Poland.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
worth every penny
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The number of people living in extreme poverty – meaning below a minimal subsistence level – rose in Poland last year to two million (from a population of 38 million), reveals a new report published by the Polish branch of the European Anti-Poverty Network (EAPN).
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's even not that much difference in cost of living, everything got west tier expensive in the east. Electricity, gas, heat, housing.
Yeah life is cheaper since you have to buy shitty xiaomi phone and drive '01 Passat while germanbro has new galaxy ultra and new c class.
It's currently better than Germany's and it's going through a massive rearming process, but who knows how well that could translate into fighting.
Ain't 90% of Germany's problem dumbass bureaucracy preventing their guys from being actually equipped, and if you give them equipment they are actually pretty good? They just, you know, never have it unless they borrow it.
Kind of. Even before the war Germany's army was one of the top 10 best funded armies on the planet. The problem is that the German public was SO worried about corruption, the anti-corruption process costs so much, a corrupt military would have been cheaper.
I.e. it took 10 years and hundreds of millions for a simple order of US helmets to arrive. Why? Because they needed to put it into field testing to check whether the helmets work on German heads. They needed to test helmets. That were already used in battlefields in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria...
The new minister of defense is getting rid of a lot of the bureaucracy, reducing the amount of "extra sausages" in terms of equipment and creating more of a standard in equipment so larger orders can be made in bulk. If specialization is THEN needed you can take those standard pieces and just modify them. Out of necessity he is quite a competent figure since the emergency of rearmament made the leftist government give up their "gender parity" rule because of it, because normally either his role would have had to been held by a woman or another minister would have had to give up his position to be replaced by a woman but neither happened.
That's because US equipment is substandard, cheaply made, and usually only exists to provide kickbacks for the American MIC. Only Europeans know how to conduct proper warfare.
It's decent enough bait, but the last sentence makes it too obvious.
>leftist government give up their "gender parity" rule because of it, because normally either his role would have had to been held by a woman or another minister would have had to give up his position to be replaced by a woman
Your government almost makes ours look sane.
That's Greens for you. Shame they were ever allowed into power.
Another fun fact: Our Secretary of Commerce's qualifications are "co-author of children's books". Green party too.
Reminds me of that old communist joke:
Tito is visiting the nail factoy
So he asks some random worker; how many nails can you make in one day? Worker says 1000. Tito: this is a disgrace! I can make 100 000. So tito take's his tools and starts to woork... at the end of day, Tito is worn down but he menaged to make 100 000 nails and he fulfiled producion plans by 150%.
Satisfied, he turns to that worker and says; 'That is a way to do it', but worker corresponds; 'yes comrade tito, but you are turner, I am college professor'
they are the only ones getting things done after years of reformer shit. but don't worry, we will vote reformer shit back into power and then get nothing done again for decades. germany doesn't want things to change and it has become obvious. the greens are literally carrying this government and the only objection one can have is that they actually also make green politics (how dare they).
Right.
Let's not forget that is was CDU that for 16 years sucked Russian dick.
I would drag my dick through a mile of broken glass, just to hear our green queen fart through a walkie-talkie.
>they are the only ones getting things done after years of reformer shit
Yeah, Mao also got shit done. Can't wait for the Großer Sprung nach Vorne, let's just hope it's the people like you perishing.
>the greens are literally carrying this government
The only thing the greens are carrying is the endless lust for fucking kids.
Just like Phil Ossiferz Stone
>The problem is that the German public was SO worried about corruption, the anti-corruption process costs so much
Wait, you mean the 90% of funds that disappear in some dark corruption channels are actually ANTI-corruption measures?
You likely have proof for that "we do it, so the Germans must do it too" accusation.
May i see it?
If 90% of you budget for your military doesn't end up with your military, IDK what else you'd call that.
>90% of you budget for your military doesn't end up with your military
I still ask for a source, because you didn't provide one before, and now you have a new unfounded claim.
So, may i see it?
Poland get's more money out of European pots than it pay into. Stop the lies, Pavel.
>These aren't handouts, it's compensation for opportunity cost
lel
You can't deny anything I said, all you can do is giggle like a mental patient and go back to spouting your bullshit. Nobody was holding a gun to your heads or begging you for a handout. You agreed to pay that money, that's all part of business. If you go to a shop and buy something, you don't tell your friends that you gave the shopkeeper a handout, you fucking dumbass.
Or maybe you do, you actually sound retarded enough to think that the whole world would disappear without you.
>You can't deny anything I said
Your claim is that 90% of the money the German military gets, ends somewhere else. You surely have evidence for that claim.
May i see it?
See, i told you Pavel wasn't honest, he compares private companies giving Polish citizens jobs with EU gibs flowing to them.
>He has a point tho
He doesn't. There is no point, he is plainly and simply wrong and pulls BS out of his Polish arse. And so are you.
The facts are:
* Poland has given less to Ukraine in military, humanitarian and economic gibs than the Netherlands, UK, Canada, Japan or Germany.
* Poland receives 16 billion more out of the EU fund than they pay in
>Poland receives 16 billion more out of the EU fund than they pay in
>No he doesn't, Poland economically benefits a lot more from the EU than Western Europe because
And Germany is retarded enough to just let it happen whitout any gain. On what planet are you living.
Not everything is about the economy anon.
For example, economically it would be a lot more beneficial to lift all Russian sanctions and certify NS2.
I doubt, just imagine the feasting of western companies on carcass of ukraine when time comes.
Everything for sale, everything for pennies on dollar and cheapest workforce in EU.
What Germany is getting out of this deal is cheap labour colony for low to mid tier manufacturing and disposal of trash and waste that comes with said manufacturing
Poland probably also looks forward to get read of really dirty industry like mining, smelters, coal power plants and shit like that, move those to Ukraine to someone that is in even shittier position than them, keep nicer jobs like final assembly while moving part of economy more towards services.
And that is what retards from both sides dont understand. Both sides benefit from this to some extent.
Germans cause they don't have to do those shitty jobs and poles because they have a workplace.
>and poles because they have a workplace.
Poles also get gibs to build necessary infrastructure.
Most Poles are well aware of that, the problem is all the retarded German commoners bitching about the whole deal and German elites constantly trying to meddle in our political affairs.
The truth is that if Germans didn't step in, Americans would've done it and the butthurt would've likely been even more immense. It's just that it's easier and more natural to do business with your immediate neighbors - but by god, do the Germans make a convincing case for us to start ditching them because of all the baggage they force on you when you enter into an economic relationship with them.
They genuinely provide the shittiest leadership in the entire Western world, and despite all their fuckups they demand all the continental nations to accept them as rulers. I'd say their intent is to sabotage the Union and the other member states, but in all honesty the country they've been sabotaging the most is in fact Germany.
I'm just fucking tired of their bullshit.
Anon I get all that but dont you fucking throw stones from glass house.
NTA, but you might familiarise yourself with the declassified documents from the Kohl era. Realpolitik at its finest, but makes you think how many similar double games Berlin runs rn.
You do have a point I guess, but it's really up to Germany to drop all the nonsense and go back to a business-based approach.
And honestly, most of my complaints go back to Merkel and all her failed policies. Trying to throttle nuclear energy, getting too close with Russia, transforming EU into a bureaucratic monstrosity, the migrant crisis... this fucking whore almost ruined the continent and indirectly caused this war. What an absolute bitch.
>shittiest leadership in the entire Western world, and despite all their fuckups they demand all the continental nations to accept them as rulers
most of what you said I can go along but this is just blatant projection, especially the ruler part.
The occasional German politician throwing around Buzzwords and declaring in broken english how "germany iz zeh global leader in XYZ" or how "germany needs to lead europe" is nothing more than hot air and not a demand to be accepted as rulers, jesus
What projection? Poland didn't have the clout to have an impact on migration-related policies, gas deals with Russia, or the way we approach nuclear power across the continent. It's not exclusively Germany's fault, but most of that nonsense can be attributed to Merkel and EU officials who were either German or under the influence of Germany's soft power. If anything, Poland has been vindicated because of the war since everything we've been saying about Putin's ambitions and the Russian threat turned out to be true.
>Your claim is that 90% of the money the German military gets, ends somewhere else. You surely have evidence for that claim.
>May i see it?
That's a different anon, and predictably you're trying to deflect to something retarded. That's basically an admission you've got no argument there.
Typical entitled kraut midwit.
>Poland get's more money out of European pots than it pay into. Stop the lies, Pavel.
Yea bro, "west" is fucking charity and not hyper capitalism.
This fucker thinks that the inflows to Central Europe should be 0% and that outflows to Germany and other Western economies should be left as they are because they are entitled to the fruits of our labor.
This whole deal was fairly acceptable (unless you're from Czechia, like what the hell are you doing bros) back when it was all about growth, markets and labor access. But once you start adding constant EU meddling and nagging and all the black propaganda exploiting the sense of entitlement of Germans and the French it started getting insufferable.
I'm really glad these two gay countries are getting clapped because of this war, their soft power has been pure cancer for Europe. Shitskin migrants, war on nuclear energy, sucking off puccia to distribute their gas and oil... motherfuckers should be paying the whole continent reparations for all the shit they fucked up over the past 20 years.
And they have the audacity to complain about Americans when all the burgers really do is clean up their mess every fucking time. It's sickening to watch.
>comparing returns on foreign investment to EU cohesion funds
have a nice day you disingenuous twat
He has a point tho. There is no fucking way that Germany set EU to force them to give charities to poorer nations.
No he doesn't, Poland economically benefits a lot more from the EU than Western Europe because of all the jobs and infrastructure created by foreign investment & cohesion funds. The EU expanding to post-communist countries was done for political and geostrategic reasons.
>Poland economically benefits a lot more from the EU than Western Europe
No it does not. Western Europe or in case of Poland - Germany profits way more from that relationship. In simplified terms, for every € more that Polish worker earns because of EU/investments whatever German owners earn 3x as much.
It's so simple, I'm baffled that this is not clear fact to everyone.
only a 3x gap? that's extremely good for a capitalist market economy
Yes anon, that's generally how foreign investment work. Would you prefer if Polish workers earned 0 euros while German owners invest their money in Germany instead?
Non-EU foreign investment works the same way, difference is you don't get free gibs from them through EU cohesion funds or financial compensation for half the shit you sent to Ukraine while bitching about the EU not doing anything.
>Would you prefer if Polish workers earned 0 euros
Sad shit is that increase in wages is not coming from investments but from working everyone to death burger style.
EU will often publish stats like wages in Poland increased 100% since joining EU while wages in Germany jumped only 30% during that time while in reality those German 30% is more than whole average age in Poland.
EU is as socialist a sit gets moron.
I'm in Croatia and want out of it.
Nothing good happened since we joined, just regressions everywhere and this fucking inflation and insane rise in prices of everything since we got euro'd five months ago is just icing on the cake.
I miss the kuna so fucking much its unreal.
Go to Serbia or Latvia and ask them about inflation.
I don't, it was a fake currency.
>I don't, it was a fake currency.
At least it was stable unlike this shitty €.
Did you know that = symbol in € is supposed to represent stability? What a fucking irony in that one.
>At least it was stable unlike this shitty €.
bro, we have a severe trade deficit, we were experiencing constant inflation because of that and HRK was literally pegged to EUR since 2003 when we sold our gold. We need EUR to continue having trade deficit with no inflation. Also, EUR is the only non-meme currency on the planet that gained on USD in 2022.
Go to Hungary lol
>EUR is the only non-meme currency
It didn't gain shit, it was like 1:1.4 back in the day now it is 1:1.1 and this is will all the money printing Biden is doing yet EU is somehow printing even more.
God I hate EU so much, even chinkshit is now too expensive for me.
That's because USD has been bulking as fuck in past 2 years, it BTFO'd all other currencies except EUR.
One more thing EU started doing is taxing every damn parcel from outside of EU with mandatory tax and shitton of legal fees, it doesn't matter if it's even 1€ they'll tax it. You can't import shit anymore but have to buy overpriced from retailer garden gnome.
Like even fucking russians are tax exempt for private imports up to $800.
Free trade my ass.
Idk, I built my PC from Amazon.de, I wasn't taxed anything additional.
I felt like a fucking milioner when I went to croatia on vacation 🙁
Kek, you didn't know? Charities and anti-corruption measures are some of the most corrupt places in modern democratic nations. China's political purges are run through anti-corruption systems while American deep state bribery is laundered through NGOs. Traditional money in a suitcase type corruption is mostly limited to third-world zones like Russia or Africa.
>The problem is that the German public was SO worried about corruption, the anti-corruption process costs so much, a corrupt military would have been cheaper.
I'm pretty sure if any organization has its actual working staff drastically outnumbered and outfunded by administrative makework bureaucrats who don't do anything, that IS corruption.
Like Canada's healthcare system where you literally have more administrators than doctors & nurses, so nobody can get a family doctor anymore and taxes just get pissed into this black hole of office workers who do fuckall.
>Like Canada's healthcare system where you literally have more administrators than doctors & nurses
Reminds me of this gem:
>Ain't 90% of Germany's problem dumbass bureaucracy preventing their guys from being actually equipped
Yes, but that's a huge problem.
If Germany got their shit together now in 10 years they could have a good -not great- military. But as it stands today the German army is a joke.
>It's currently better than Germany's
looool
They're slavs anon, the shittiest kind.
Poland currently has more Prussian territory than Germany has. And the bulk of the Prussian native troops where also from those regions.
it doesnt matter because all the germans from that area (really germanized poles) were forced out to west germany and replaced mostly by poles from the areas annexed by the USSR after the war
And France has more Roman territory than Italy has. That shit makes no sense
Last time germanics spouted this, their socialist leader blew his own brain out in the bunker hiding from the slavs.
>It's currently better than Germany's
do you even know how much times greater the german gdp is anon?
I'm rooting for Poland. Honestly from
what I've heard about them their pretty chill
>what I've heard about them their pretty chill
I had polish student erasmus housemates, it was literally like living with unironic tradcath 4chantards, they would always be blasting catholic shit and talking shit about all other Eastern Europeans saying that Poland is Western Europe.
That said, I have an older polish friend (in his late 50s) and he's chill as fuck, but he also thinks Poland is cringe as fuck.
>it was literally like living with unironic tradcath 4chantards
Based Poland making lefty EUgays seethe.
Poland is cringe, don't buy in to bigger army bullshit, our demography can't support that and everything is bought with loans and many of that deals suck ass. I and most of my friends dont go to church anymore, especially since church is taking part in political games and most people is pro EU, thats why PiS can't do what GB did.
t. Polak
Why are you so skeptical of your country?
Because he's a shitlib that doesn't have anything to do with the army and doesn't own guns.
Because i live here and see how things are going, inflation is eating my money, people seems to think we're some kind of superpower, and people are divided by people that supposed to lead us. Politicians openly stiling mony and are placing their familly members in lukreative jobs where they got loads of mone and did nothing usefull, and all that is just a tip of an iceberg, I just have that fealing of helplesnes about that country and if shit hit the fan i will be a 1st refugee in Czech republic watching that patriotic morons dying because we bought 500 abrams but lack modern equipment for our infantry.
So you are;
, a piece of shit that will run as soon as your country experiences an issue?
You're on PrepHole - do you own any guns, gay? I do. Didn't take a lot of effort to get the permit.
Pretty sure you don't, you're the kind of a person that'd only bitch, moan, and complain without trying to fix your problems.
Stay poor and unarmed, as your compatriot I don't give a shit.
Really touched the nerve, eh?
Why are you afraid of defending your country?
You're the one who keeps bitching, complaining and spewing bullshit. I'll go to war if they call me up, don't you worry. I just hope I won't have to serve with cunts like you.
I'm a Croat, so you probably will.
Now I'm starting to think I got confused about what you meant.
You were telling that asshole:
... that he's a gay, right? If so, forgive me for my outburst, it's really fucking late and I'm tired.
Its fine, don't worry about it.
India was due to be a superpower by 2020. Life isn't that simple.
India is a fucking sewer and their ruling class(caste) has always hated 95% of the population. Poland at least has the human capital to make a decent ally. Say what you want about gae goi meatshields, but it's easy to understand why they hate ruskis.
>the 21st largest economy in the world will overtake the 5th in just 7 years
What, the poles are going to develop cold fusion or something?
They probably meant GDP per capita terms and this may work after the UK imports more Indians, Pakis and Nigerians to make up for Poles and Romanians.
It's alarmist clickbait. The fact it came from the telegraph is just the last nail in the coffin.
Why woud Torygraph write anything to make the conservative UK govt look bad?
Because it gets clicks. The telegraph is a shitrag.
Their argument is that everything bad in the UK is the fault of leftist subversives that control the economy from the shadows, trade unions, striking nurses, those fucking communists in (checks notes) the WTO and Deutsche Bank, etc.
Everyone except the actual guys in charge of the country and the economy basically
It's a combination of Poland's economy growing fast and Britain's economy going to shit since Brexit and them probably using GDP PPP instead of Nominal GDP
Britain is full of morons, pakis, poos, chinks and arabs, and Poland is full of Poles. It's not hard to figure out.
I saw this in the TV like 2 days ago:
Did they intentionally pick the children to look like that, or is this what youth in Britain looks like nowadays? I was fucking dumbstruck.
It's a bit of an illusion. The media in the UK has an extremely heavy London/South East England bias so almost everything you see represents that area. It's honestly like a foreign country compared to the rest of the UK.
Article is comparing PPP (Poor people points) instead of true GDP and also assumes the rate of GDP gain/loss maintains the same for both nations respectively. You saw similar projections with China supposedly going to surpass the US' GDP by around this time going back ages when their GDP growth was at its peak in the double digits. Obviously that slowed down substantially in 2022 and is unlikely to get back anywhere close to the growth rate they saw prior. Similarly the UK is going through a period of relative decline due to BREXIT, but given time and renegotiating trade deals they should be bouncing back. They will never be at the same rate as pre-BREXIT but they will also not be in terminal decline.
Articles like these are written by economists and economists are gigantic hack frauds pretending that their field is a science and relies on everything being the same in perpetuity.
>Articles like these are written by economists and economists are gigantic hack frauds pretending that their field is a science and relies on everything being the same in perpetuity.
Ditto.
t. majored in economy, though thankfully not working in that field. Depending on the audience I could successfully defend nearly any fucking viewpoint using studies as evidence, despite the fact that they were mutually exclusive.
It's as much a science as palm reading in many ways.
Britain’s economy is just that fucked. Contrary to what the yanks think, it’s not Brexit, (if the EU is so great why don’t you join it? Didn’t think so) it’s that we can’t build anything and our energy prices are through the roof. The ratio of income of to house prices has been the US’s peak but all over the country and for about ten years. Successful industries like bio science can’t build lab space. We can’t build infrastructure. We can’t build power plants or connect them to the grid. Our Conservative Party is useless and not remotely conservative or pro free-market so the British people are having to triangulate their own politicians by voting in the Reds just to force the Conservatives to conduct a massive Purge and get their act together. The whole process will take about seven years if we get it right first time.
The British economy has been in contraction since the turn of the 20th century and I doubt the contraction will stop anytime soon.
It’s been Blairism since 1997. The laws that produced the building/planning issues was introduced in the 50s, but it’s taken a while for the impact to be felt. Thatcher complained about rising house prices in the 90s.
Anyway, glad you agree.
It's been Thatcherism since 1979
Highest tax burden since WW2 is Thatcherism apparently.
Refusing to lower corporation tax to the level it was for most of Labour’s reign? Thatcherism.
Constantly subsidising demand with housing, energy and childcare instead of improving supply? Classic Thatcherism.
Words actually mean things, you know. “Thatcherism” doesn’t simply mean “things I don’t like also I hate Thatcher reeeee”.
Tax rates were higher under Thatcher, but the tax burden was lower. Weird that.
>if the EU is so great why don’t you join it?
Don't need to, we already tell them what to do half the time anyway
So what you’re saying is you wouldn’t want to deepen the relationship so that the EU starts telling YOU what to do? Imagine that.
>Be EU
>Be biggest members France Germany
>Completely miss that Russia was about to invade Ukraine
Yeah nah, EU is fucked lol
It's not Polish cold fusion that'll close the gap, it's British hot garbage. Never seen a country so intent on destroying all it's industry, services and trade for at best some symbolic feel-good politics. Most others (you know who) at least start an ill-adviced war beforehand, Britain does it during relative peace. They have so much 70s and 80s nostalgia, they're trying to make the experience complete by fucking the working middle class to pulp like the good ol days.
Unpopular opinion time:
You can tell how fucked a country is by the way it treats its farmers.
Prove me wrong.
The Dutch appear to be ready to flush theirs away. How are Brit farmers getting by?
To be fair, they have too goddamn many of them inside a country the size of a post stamp. Even with the best intentions, you're gonna have massive problems in the long run due to concentration per square mile alone. These farmers were sold sunshine and rainbows constantly, with nobody willing to pump the brakes due to large industry players lobbying to keep up the facade of infinite growth. They should really cut down on the giant cattle factories and invest instead in smaller farms with quality products, with a focus on better prices and compensation.
>Just have a smaller farm better quality for the eco/bio-crowd bro!
Next level delusion.
The amount of red-tape and bureaucracy states throw at you if you want to produce "quality" products makes dealing with it or getting into an even bigger pain in the ass than just having aforementioned "giant cattle factories".
t. my uncle in germany wanted to do exactly that, now he literally sells beef on the black market instead.
Dairy Farmer here
Only 8,000 dairy farms left, used to be almost 100,000 40 years ago, more and more insane regulation- now they're paying us literally not to farm, re-wilding and other bullshit. Essentially DEFRA is trying to micro-manage the entire industry, nationalisation via regulation- its why food has gone up higher than inflation, though if your the last one standing, you get to reap the profits- average dairy farm net income went up 57% from £80k to £140k in 2021/2022 alone, barely anybody knows how to do it anymore- people think its for retards -good luck giving a £350,000+ gross revenue average dairy farm business with robots (70% have them),tractors and all sorts of machinery and enough infrastructure to feed 1,000+ people, an average £4,000,000+ capital to maintain and run to a pair of random blokes on the street, - Yes it needs to be just two to keep labour costs low enough to generate a profit and they will have to do everything from being a mechanic to a vet to a plumber etc, to actually run it competently. Of course of the government actually put itself in charge of running it, they would need a plumbing/builders/vet/machinery certs/licences, insane health & safety/ CSCS cards etc, etc, etc, so much bureaucracy would be required that the entire country would literally starve or food would go up 3x/4x.
How badly has Brexit damaged the industry?
Lack of Farm workers mostly, the new regulations that the government itself passed from 2016 onwards has fucked it way more, energy/fertiliser costs have impacted it far more than any Brexit trade changes.
In Cambodia, during the Khmer Rouge reign, farmers were idealized.
tl;dr: You're a fucking retard
>In Cambodia, during the Khmer Rouge reign, luddites were idealized
FTFY. Farming was merely one of a few accepted professions in Pol Pot's Cambodia.
moron.
You know as well as I that any commie only glorifies farmers as long as they give away their land and join the collective farm.
Farmers are always treated like shit
If this country is doing so well, then why are these polecuck workers flooding my country?
Isn't half of Britain's economy financial black magic from the city of london?
Wow, that Brexit bullshit sure went great for you, guys.
You do realise after Brexit the UK went up a rank in GDP, right? Articles like this use PPP which is absolutely terrible metric of marking wealth. As for 'lol you left the EU' the Bongs joined a different economic bloc instead.
Also imagine being OK with being ruled by unelected politicians in another country and thinking 'more money for the elite' is a good trade for that. I say that and I'm fucking Irish and I hate the EU for stoking up the NIRA again with the Northern Ireland agreement. We're not a fucking pawn because the Germans and French are pissed off.
>OI YOU NO GEE DEE PEE WENT UP ROIT
Time to buy another mansion
You don't know how the EU works, but that's fine, you're a moron. The UK took a bullet for the team and no country will be trying to leave the EU in the next few decades.
>you don't know how EU works
>2nd biggest economy in the Europe isn't in the EU
Lmao
What economic bloc did they join that would have demanded they also leave the EU?
BRICS
>You do realize after Brexit the UK went up a rank in GDP
Where are you getting this from?
>The post-Brexit trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU.
https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/the-economy-forecast/brexit-analysis/
>Chart 1 shows quarterly estimates of the cost of Brexit to the second quarter of 2022. UK GDP is 5.5 per cent lower than that of the doppelgänger. Investment is 11 per cent lower; goods trade, 7 per cent lower; and services trade is around the same.
https://www.cer.eu/insights/cost-brexit-june-2022
>You do realise after Brexit the UK went up a rank in GDP, right?
Must have been right after, because it sure as fuck isn't now. What's funnier is how you keep vomiting Russian horseshit after it all went tits up for you. You're not only a docile, servile fuck, you defend this way of being to the death.
>Must have been right after, because it sure as fuck isn't now. What's funnier is how you keep vomiting Russian horseshit after it all went tits up for you. You're not only a docile, servile fuck, you defend this way of being to the death.
Russia might not like the EU but they damn sure don't like the UK. They don't see Germany and France as eternal enemies like they do the US. They see the UK and the US as being the ones that keep France/Germany from staying Russian allies. The other three always gravitate towards each other before being pulled apart.
So I don't see how anything he's saying defending Brexit is pro-Russian. It was inevitable that leaving the EU would cause trade and travel disruptions but that's a temporary phase that was to and has been ironing itself out as alternative agreements and supply chains get worked out.
Its not, these people are literal shills trying to smear anything not in line with the neolib hivemind as being russian propaganda
>Its not, these people are literal shills
Translation: I got duped by actual Russian bots into fighting against my interests, and are now too invested in hurting myself to confront reality.
You're some special kind of idiot.
If you stop to think about what you just posted, you might realize that it is profoundly retarded. No, I'm not gonna elaborate, you're too fucking stupid to understand. have a nice day, please.
Sorry, tardlard, the only one in desperate need of stopping and thinking for a minute is you. You're completely off the rails with your sunk cost idiocy.
They're not even literal paid shills like other anon says
People are brainwashed polarised NPCs, the damage is done and these 'people' will never be capable of coherent logical thought, open mindedness and critical thinking
>X BAD
>Y GOOD
I think you're talking about yourself, it's fucking embarrassing to watch. Some bots on Facebook coerced you into fucking your economy and you not only gleefully agreed, you're defending your abject fucking stupidity and mistakes years later. Un-fucking-canny.
When stripped of all the rhetorical nonsense, this argument boils down to "domestic retards caused some serious damage, so it's time to support our foreign enemies".
It's genuinely unsettling to see so many people fall for that. It's even more unsettling to see politicians and media celebs try to exploit those sentiments for short-term personal gain.
The enlightened fence sitter
Has it ever occured to you that maybe domestic issues will get worse if you allow your foreign adversaries to win and expand their sphere of influence at your expense?
Like, what do you think will happen when your corrupt politicians and corporate scumbags get cut off from foreign populations to exploit? You think they are going to behave, or just cannibalize your nation?
There's only one thing worse than retarded management on a national scale, and that's losing a war, even if it's only by proxy.
>"domestic retards caused some serious damage under the influence of subversion, let's forgive the instigators and blame it all on the retards because I'm affiliated with the former"
Doesn't sound very compelling. You're constantly getting caught, but you're so deprived of self-awareness you still want to pretend you had no involvement. Hilarious.
I used "domestic retards" as an umbrella term that covers your corporate scumbags and politicians too, because you need to be retarded to undermine your power by abusing the goodwill and trust of the population for short-term gain like that. I'm not going to point fingers or defend anyone here, because I'm not an American and it's not my business.
I'm just making a rather obvious observation - getting defeated by a foreign adversary is going to hurt you and won't solve your domestic problems. Based on historic evidence, it is in fact likely to make them much worse.
It's just a thinly veiled warriortard thread. He's given up on weapons and has started political posting instead.
Ie he's a shill trying to undermine.
If you're really Irish why don't you type with an accent?
The fuck are you erven talking about? were you living under the rock last 2 years or what? What extreme copium did you took, i want the same one
well 20 years ago when poles flooded we were thinking they're the morons
and then, actual morons came
>the UK went up a rank in GDP, right?
Did it? If it did it was probably due to the massive amounts of immigration kek
Delusion: the post.
>Also imagine being OK with being ruled by unelected politicians in another country and thinking 'more money for the elite' is a good trade for that.
UKIP more like UCOPE
Lol
Fuck you!
Everyone my age wants to leave this dying shithole
>Derek Thompson
Anon why.
Confirmed shill.
> Confirmed shill.
For handguns
Something you will never enjoy
Wow at coping away every bad news, Russia style. It explains why your country slid into poverty
Post your guns m8
No wonder you guys had a famine.
brit here, go fuck yourself you absolute retard, quality of life has gone down since brexit considerably, for what? So that we don't get to have stickers on our bananas? Fuck off cunt
Brexit has ramped up the paki importing into overdrive, at least slavs basically turn into brits after a few generations
>t.grandad was a ukie import after the second world war
Brexit is just part of the issue, but UK has been on a downward trajectory since 08.
The issue is, it's entire political and media elite are like, peak true believer Neoliberals and have built their entire economy around the City Of London neglecting everything else. Because they are Neolib true believers, they actually believe bullshit Neoclassical garbage like Austerity being good for the economy, so they've implemented such a struct regime of austerity on the UK for the past 15 years that even the fucking IMF of all people are like "this is purely ideological and you're running your country into the ground".
UK had the chance to get out of the trap with Corbz, but instead, decided to vote for Johnson and Brexit, then purge the entire left out of politics, replacing them with the pro-austerity, FIRE Blairites who got the UK into this shit state to begin with.
The UK will keep sliding down to I think southern europe tier and sit around there. It's a country in decline and it honestly gets worse here by the year. There aren't even public toilets anymore because it's such a low trust society and shit like AUKUS is the biggest fucking cope in existence.
>There aren't even public toilets anymore
A result of the large influx of Indian workers, no doubt.
>UK had the chance to get out of the trap with Corbz
The rest of what you say is correct but this part is fucking insane
>UK had the chance to get out of the trap with Corbz
This is where I stopped reading and was finally convinced that you actually consume paint in vast quantities.
NTA but it’s clear whatever they’ve been trying didn’t work
Pretty much anything would be less stupid
>The opinion of a climate change alarmist
Lmao you've been had
Has it changed since then or are you still a huge gaping drain?
>Has it changed since then
That's for you to figure out.
Yes, Im sure that is to blame, surely it has nothing to do with london being less than 50% white, no sir.
Is that why you voted for half a million immigrants per year?
He was the only anti austerity guy for the last 15 years thoughever
They have a good military; that being said, Poland isn't going to keep up their post USSR GDP growth rate forever.
>poland 2030
You fags make fun of jeets for the same shit dont let poland get away with it
To be fair the article wasn't written by the polacks.
Poland has always had a big army.
All hail the Greater Polish Reich!
If this is the trailer for Solidarity 2: Electric Boogaloo, then put me down for a pair of tickets on opening night. It might just be that rare sequel that improves on the original.
The OG solidarity was good though.
Pogchamp, it's doctor Robotnik!
Holy shit what the fuck is that? These 4th ID soldiers look like awkward middle schoolers. Are they trying to stand at attention? They can't even do that right. The poles aren't much better
If Russia is having so much trouble against just Ukraine, Poland would be a complete shitstomping.
>better trained
>better armed
>better funded
>have a centuries-long axe to grind with Russia
Been there, done that.
The Poles never really forgot the whole "trying to de-Catholocize Poland" measures from Russia
polish atheist here, I would defend our churches with my life if they tried it again. My country, my legacy even if I'm not religious anymore
Understandable. Much like Buddhism in Japan, after a certain point aspects of the religion are so ingrained in the culture that even people who aren't religious still perform the rituals because it's part of cultural tradition now (if you ask the average Japanese person what half of the Buddhist rituals they do mean, they couldn't tell you). Religion and culture end up so intertwined that you can't really tell them apart anymore.
While you're right that cultural tradition and religion have effectively become the same thing in both countries, it's still not a very good comparison because Poland is still a deeply religious country while Japan is an atheist nation in all but name. For Japan it's more of a "we've always done it this way and it's worked out so far, why change?"
>polish atheist
You fucking godless animal will burn in hell, no matter how much you do virtue signalling for updoots on 4chins.
Photo from late 90s mist likely
Baza
>UK GDP Rank: 5
>Poland GDP Rank: 22
Lmao no
They probably mean GDP per capita
They said Poland not the Polish so that implies GDP.
>2 more weeks!
UK is 5th gdp globally, it jumped from 6th last year. If the number 5 economy is a bad position to be in then the majority of Europe is completely fucked lol
It's the influx of Eastern euros since the invasion of Ukraine, they adore the EU because it forced them into being civilised countries with working economies, now what your seeing is the endless parroting of muh EU army and UK doomed 2 more weeks because Poland can afford a few Leopard tanks lol
UK has almost double Poland's population so total GDP sounds impossible, as opposed to per capita, which is just very unlikely.
Only thing closing the gap right now is that Polish government is (very) slightly less retarded than the UK government.
>UK has almost double Poland's population
because half of poland is in the UK
PPP makes Poland look better because land is so much cheaper there than anywhere in western Europe. They have cheap land because they have a declining population. This is totally sustainable.
Every country in europe has a declining population retard
It is as long as they keep imigration in check as hardcore as they do. When you don't have to spend half of your GPD on social services from people who are not supposed to be there you tend to do well for yourself and keep housing costs down.
But they do? The whole reason current Polish government has remained in power for as long as it has was that they essentially bought voters with gibs. Polish social services are an insane money sink.
Let's not pretend being the biggest net drain on the EU has nothing to do with it shall we
I see, so what you are saying is the new European rankings will be in 2030 will be:
>1. Germany
>2. Poland
>3. UK
>4. France
Hahahahahahaha Are you sniffing petrol anon? Pull the other one you deluded freak.
>/pol/tard tier rant
Your opinion was discarded with the mention of Corbyn.
>no public toilets
Confirmed you don't leave your house
https://www.toiletmap.org.uk/
Here is a map, touch grass incel.
>I see, so what you are saying is the new European rankings will be in 2030 will be:
>>1. Germany
>>2. Poland
Germany will not be Nr.1, in fact we will make sure they either pay reparations or get shunned everywhere.
Poland is in the center of Europe and will take it's rightful place as the leading nation.
>UK is 5th gdp globally, it jumped from 6th last year. If the number 5 economy is a bad position to be in then the majority of Europe is completely fucked lol
GDP is a poor measure of an economy and the metric alone doesn't tell the full story. Singapore has a higher GDP that the entire USA, but no one seriously considers Singapore to be a global economic powerhouse.
PrepHole being overrun with pro-EU shills really shows how fucked this board is, since pro-EU shills are in fact vanishingly rare on the Internet outside of the Guardian
anti-EU shills are all brown tho, just like 90% of Brexit voters. All the Ranjeshes and Mohammad Muhammeds around here voted for Brexit because they thought it meant kicking out all the EEuropeans (something like 10% left on their own rest stayed lol) and importing around 309576309574693405 more of their cousins (100% correct, even gays like Farage was promoting importing thirdies to fill gaps in shit jobs)
>UK rent free in your head
That's nice pavlova now go wash up elsewhere
go be brown on 4chan
Not at all. Imagine the Ukrainian army in 2014 with slightly better equipment. That's what you should expect. Bulletproof vests aren't even standard issue for fucks sakes.
t. Polish soldier
Wow 100+ posts in a thread about Poland yet some British cunt makes it about their future thirdworld shithole.
Regarding the topic at hand, this anon is correct . Poland has a staffing problem with their volunteer army because shockingly, like every other Western country, they pay their people like shit and their military is run by delusional boomers who let their previous MIC rot. So what does Poland do to fix this problem? Buy a bunch of hardware but not actually fix the problems with their military.
Unironically buying a bunch of hardware can in a way help fix the lack of volounteers. Theres a difference between serving in an army with modern equipment and one where you would most likely be stuck with soviet shit, with the latter not doing wonders when it comes to creating enthusiasm to serve in could-be recruits
I agree that our army has many problems and it would probably not fare much better than Ukraine. Especially now that most of the heavy equipment got sent to Ukraine.
People saying otherwise obviously have no fucking idea what's going on.
Polish soldiers bitching about us sending heavy equipment to Ukraine seem to forget that realistically the only other option was to send them in along with their AFVs.
I wouldn't really mind, but imagine how loud the part of the army that's complaining right now would REEEEEEEE if it came to that.
MON should probably put more focus on improving morale and communicating to the soldiers what their role is in the current political situation. Many people who serve in the army seem to be confused and frustrated about being neglected above everything else.
It's understandable to a certain extent, but a lot of the shit people say in private isn't healthy for the force.
https://thecritic.co.uk/why-shouldnt-poland-be-richer-than-britain/
This covers it pretty well
t. Pole
Seriously you can you stop self-fellating just for one day?
Russian 2ch seems to think Poland is going to grab Western portions of Ukraine when it collapses. It’s like common knowledge that Poles are all over Kiev.
>listening to sosach
Why are you listening to russian schizos from 2ch.
Russians also seemed to think that population would welcome them with open arms..
In last world war it took two superpowers with element of surprise to take them down.
With enough prep time they could have taken everyone on.
Polish government on September 1st was sure they only need to hold out until France and UK wipe the floor with Germans and they did a pretty good job for 16 days until Soviets absolutely wrecked their backline.
Nobody thought that the war would last 6 years either.
Whut? WW2 Poland's army was a husk hollowed out by a decade of corruption that was beaten by the Germans in little over two weeks. It was one of the most pathetic showings in the entire war. The Soviets didn't enter the war until after the bulk of the Poles had already been crushed. The only 'success' the Poles had was retreating out of the country with what remained of their army.
bro what are you talking about. Polish army in ww2 was pretty ok back then, what fucked poland was bad leadership that decided to flee poland when shit hit the fan.
I am talking corruption, anon. The kind of corruption that resulted in a significant percentage of Poland's army lacking ammunition, food, water and working guns. The usual corruption you get after an authoritarian strongman launches a coup on a democracy so gerrymandered that its voter base had become disillusioned with democracy as a concept. Which allowed the authoritarian strongman to install himself and his cronies in key positions not based on merit, but loyalty. While nationalizing key industries, allowing his friends and family to personally profit off the country's wealth while disenfranchising the middle class.
Poland's WW2 military was just another thing that got looted by the dictator and his cronies.
>Poland's WW2 military
And here i thought you talk about PiS. They got a good amount of money of money for the controcts with the South Koreans, didn't they?
Well, you have to make sure you and your cronies have enough, right?
I heard a Polish Air Force fighter jet crashed in a cemetary last week.
Thay say the casualties of the crash are 300 and counting.
Post hands
Polands economy is deeply dependant on EU gibs and foreign industries. They will never surpass britain, not in a million years. And i'm saying this as a continental bong hater.
Poland will, in just a few years, be the only friend of the USA in Europe. As France, Germany, Italy and Japan look for leadership from Poland, they will not want to deal with the US anymore.
Poland will take it's rightful place in Europe and dominate the discourse, as it should have 15 years ago.
>their army already matches NATO standards
>they are making friends with a country, that turns nuclear superpowers into a joke
>they're already implementing mechanisms for simple integrations of civilian services for people gaining the most relevant combat experience in the world
>they already host more than 2 millions of citizens of their battle-hardened neighbor and the citizens are happy with it
>they tend to mirror with upscale the structure and composition of ukrainian military.
Competent enough to steamroll Belorussia in a couple of months.
Insanely bizzare clickbait article
A UK-Poland-Ukraine union should be a thing after the war
Unironically yeah it should, the Balts too.
Intermarium as an idea needs revisiting
Poles,Ukes, Balts and Nordics will be the future powerblock of Europe to challenge west EU. UK is too much of a wildcard to call since they have their own policies to pursue though I'd imagine sticking it up to the French and Germans rank pretty high on that list.
meh it's the jurno version of "superpower". there's only one ever since ussr collapsed lol
>poland being anything more worth mentioning other than a breeding hole for future casting couch whores
ok?
I came off 4chan to regain my senses, and you retards are discussing GDP and racial woes. Either talk about what weapons the poles are gonna use when, not if, when they go fight the Russians, or grab your gun, leave your house, and start mowing down yids, hebes, and judes for making you uncomfortable.
Competent enough to not vote for seceding from EU
ppp is thirdie cope. gee i wonder what i would like to better afford. a cheap local cucumber to shove up my ass or a globally priced computer.
idk about poland but britain will outdo germany longterm if they stick to building nuclear plants. if.
What a retarded take, Poland is a cheap Germany if the price advantage of operating there continues to decline growth will slow.
>How competent are their armies?
They could single-handedly kick the Russians out of Ukraine, including Crimea.
With what power projection?
It's clickbait but in 10-20 years Poland could actually catch up per capita, and if even half of their planned purchases happen they will soon have the best land army in Europe.
>Bongland is forever one of big few non useless, non economic colonial nation in the EU
>One of the few providers within a house of open screaming mouths
>Pooland is a German industrial colony, constant state of needing EU gibs since it joined
>Totally gonna be a G7 cunt
Lmao, why do people even try coping with this delusional shit?
>constant state of needing EU gibs
That's a bit out of date. Poland is a net contributor now. The investment worked.
>armies
>In some countries, such as France and China, the term "army", especially in its plural form "armies", has the broader meaning of armed forces as a whole, while retaining the colloquial sense of land forces
Poland has one army and you are Chinese
The commies were culled from High Command, the Russkie lovers were delegated to impotent whining over social media, the modernisation kicked into overdrive.
Generał CHADrzejczak explains
PooLAND SUPERPOWER 2023 LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
If the UK said it wanted back in I bet the EU would jump at the chance looking at that image.
Don't Poles have any shame?
But what about Luxembourg huh?
Fuck off Lukasz you begging cunt
It's Łukasz, gay. So, explain Luxembourg, you two-faced hypocritical gay.
Poland gets literally the average PER CAPITA.
Holy shit these worthless gays live off EU handouts and still have the nerve to criticise the EU at every turn. They don't even have the decency to buy EU weapons with their bennies.
These aren't handouts, it's compensation for opportunity cost and maintaining a stronger military as a border state. We don't exactly criticise the EU, we criticise entitled gays like you and Germans bureaucrats who try to sneak in regulations that benefit them at our expense into EU law.
It's ridiculous to see cucks from Western Europe get absolutely buttblasted when some other country uses its bargaining power to get a better deal. You still benefit massively from Poland being a part of this funky Union, so shut the fuck up, mind your own business and, most importantly, get off our fucking lawn.
>these worthless gays live off EU handouts
That's RICH.
Holy shit Poles are delusional
>typical divide-and-conquer puccian bullshit
>Everything I don't like is puccian d&c
Have you been looking at the costs of climate policy, especially fit for 55 tailored to kill CEE competitiveness ?
>2018
>Britain still there
Get your shit together.
>TOILET CLEANER BY 2030
>terminal German demographics that make Morgenthau coom in the grave
>Pinko French little better
Intermarium + Scandifag accession to NATO is about walling off Moscow from the two retards in the room that would supply the tech & chips required for Russia & China do wage war at actual near peer level. Judging by Bundeswehr Generals complaints about having only 3 weeks of ammo and fight in them at the start of this Ukraine fiasco, Poland should like its chances.
Poland need to do net-zero and import 6 million Balochistanis
Polemorons staked everything on US and this was a big mistake.
I will enjoy seeing US backstab them when they need them the most.
They’re needed as an outlet for England: by 2030 desperate bongs will emigrate to Poland to work as English plumbers
By 2030 poland will not exist
By 2030 Polish and Ukrainian peacekeepers will be policing what's left of puccia.
>policing
I always lol at rusissies spending hours on (pirated) photoshop, trying to make their circus midget look handsome.
Could you calibrate your bots not to use gay imagery? Thank you.
>Average Annual Plumber wage
>Poland £18,000
>UK £36,000
Gtfo you tramp, 1 English plumber earns more than 2 Polish plumbers lmao no ones going to that pit for work, you would earn more stacking shelves in tesco! Kek
Polish plumber was a gigachad decades before gigachad became a meme
Idc about an unskilled peasant from a developing country
>developing country
>Poland is a developing state, a rapidly developing state.
lotta soul in that pic
Don't fall for the lie, Poland is a 3rd world shithole.
P.S. Always was.
Always will.
Be shit.
This sums Poland up pretty well: a place of ruin.
Plumbers don't wear ties but in Poland
>median uk house price in 2030: half a million
This is just a Pole and Bong seethe thread cooked up by the local Russoid shill team.
This belongs on 4chan, stop making these gay shill threads.
And I’m more than happy to dunk the Bongs for putting my favorite guns on melt list and just generally being stupid and smug
Why does poland need an army? Are some toilets too clogged for civilians to handle?
Still can't believe Poland is allowed to exist tbh
>How competent are their armies ?
We'll soon find out, supposedly right now you can see gigantic plumes of smoke from eastern Poland since Putin is blowing up something on very border of Poland and Ukraine.
>tfw American
>tfw want to learn Polish
>tfw I can't even begin to comprehend how polish even works as a language with that spelling
Poles are pretty cool too, I want to speak at least half baked polish before I got there in 2025.
You will be fine with english.
50% of poles speak at least some broken english.
Today In local library some english speaking dude came and asked about how borrowing books work, lady behind counter tried to explain, but she speaked only broken english, then some dude stood up from reading and helped her out.
>but she speaked
You're not equipped to assess other people's mastery of the language, buddy.
Ignoring that plenty of Poles speak some level of english anyway (which much like Filipinos, goes a long way towards why they assimilate so easily when moving to America), the language looks a lot more complex than it actually is.
fuck off we're full.
poland strong
Why Poland makes 4chancels seethe so much ???
>Why Poland makes 4chancels seethe so much ???
Same reason why morons make burgers seethe.
Everyone in europe hates polacks.
>he thinks that 4chan has anything to do with europeans
Anon I...
>Polish diplomats and swimming association have protested after a German announcer at the European Swimming Championship in Berlin made a joke about Poles and car thieves.
>Ashkenazi garden gnomes hate Poland
Noted
Poland fought nazis and commies before and during WW2. The nazis treated them as sub-humans and threw them in camps. The Soviets could never 1v1 them and setup a communist puppet government in violation of Yalta. They did this because they knew in free and fair elections the Poles would reject communism. Thus both the far left and far right hate Poland but for different reasons.
Poles are commies anon.
Whole eastern block was called after them.
Thats why after commies stopped rigging elections solidarity scored 99 out of 100 spots.
>99 out of 100 spots
North Korea tier results, sounds rigged.
It was either commies or solidarity so if you know anything about poles then it is possible
>muhhhh communism
That was more than 34 years ago. Have fun embracing LGBTQ++++++ and the NATO-created refugee crisis. We did it folks we owned the evil straight white male homophobic communists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6DfzarBpNE
You're a traitor.
Remind me which country was literally flying in refugees and then sending them across the EU border again
ahahahahahahasahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha no
with huge chunk of their equipment in Ukraine ?
i would say 5 to 10 years to serious offensive ability
what i've seen of poland recently has been impressive. for one, they actually have productive industries. it's equal parts hilarious and tragic that the UK has been mismanaged and asset-stripped so badly. not only is our GDP set to be overtaken by poland's GDP, but poland's GDP isn't being propped up by explosive immigration, property speculation, and little else.
>Set to be overtaken by Poland
Lmao this hot take keeps appearing, who are you shilling for
why do you think it won't be?
>Has half the population of the UK
>Is ranked 22nd in global gdp compared to the UK at 5th
>Poland magically leap frogging Italy, Spain France etc before they even get to UK levels
Your hilariously deluded to think that fucking POLAND will be 5th largest world economy. You got excited now it's time to touch back down to reality.
right, "your" looking at the GDP as it is right now, completely ignoring both GDP's growth rates and failing to forecast a bit into the future. similarly, there's a post above talking about average wages but failing to take into account the stark difference in the cost of living. education in this country really has slipped, hasn't it?
sorry,
*GDPs'
>UK gdp drops slightly
>Still jumps from 6th to 5th GDP in 2023
Bro just stop your embarresing
>Cost of living
This isn't a UK only issue, you would know if you traveled around Europe this year.
>your embarresing
do english teachers even exist in this country anymore? are they all illiterate?
Are we on /r/grammar now? Cringe anon.
>Ohhh noo the grammar and spelling on this Penis pill website is bad!
Get a grip lad, stop pretending to be from the UK and stop posting the same images in every thread trying to shill Poland as a first world nation. Its a shit hole, cherry picked images are for dribbling retards like yourself.
However
POOLAND 4TH WORLD GDP 2030 LETS GO BOOOYYYYYYSSSSS, clown.
stop the cope, i'm from somerset. i don't care about poland, but i do care about the UK, and it shouldn't hurt your pride too badly to have a sober look at the state of this country and the trajectory it is on. poland is just a funny comparison.
>Gable end blows down in record high winds
Why is this your gotcha webm?
>Im from Somerset
Sure you are.
>The state of UK
What? The high intrest rates like the rest of Europe? The high living cost like the rest? Fuel prices? The fact we are the 5th biggest gdp? Bro shut the fuck up, if you have an average job none of the above effects you. Your a disingenuous gay shitting up the board with 4chantier images. Do you even have a driving licence anon?
you're happy with this country?
I love this country and I love the seethe it generates among turdies and continental gays
so why do you type like an american nig?
Poland is a developing state, a rapidly developing state.
Congratulations Poland you are in the same category as Albania, Romania and Macedonia!
>stark difference in the cost of living.
Nta but living at the dump is going to be cheaper than living in a first world nation. Who the fuck wants to live in Poland.
worth every penny
>The number of people living in extreme poverty – meaning below a minimal subsistence level – rose in Poland last year to two million (from a population of 38 million), reveals a new report published by the Polish branch of the European Anti-Poverty Network (EAPN).
There's even not that much difference in cost of living, everything got west tier expensive in the east. Electricity, gas, heat, housing.
Yeah life is cheaper since you have to buy shitty xiaomi phone and drive '01 Passat while germanbro has new galaxy ultra and new c class.
>India
>Now Poland
The Toilet Era will begin
so uhh
what weapons are we talking about here bros?
Its slide thread form 4chan, jannies from US will be waking up soon so it should disappear
Holy shit the amount of cope this creates from Brits is insane. I'm crying.
POLSKA PrepHoleUROM