Please explain these 2 types of guns to me. A pcc and a 18.5/20 inch cylinder bore semi auto shotgun.

Please explain these 2 types of guns to me. A pcc and a 18.5/20 inch cylinder bore semi auto shotgun. the PCC only makes sense to me if your range or some kind of shooting sport you joined allows you to do fun shit with a pcc but you can't with a full rifle round. like my range has fun reactive targets but you can only shoot them with a rimfire gun. aside from that I guess a pcc kind of makes sense as an hd gun if you can suppress it.
semi auto shotguns make sense if you hunt or clay shoot or do some other shooting sport that requires it, but idk the point in owning a semi auto shotgun with a cylinder bore barrel. I really don't get the point of owning a shotgun with a cylinder bore barrel at all, unless you hunt/shoot clays with it and then just switch the barrel when you go home for HD, since I assume shotguns hold zero when you change barrels and I know mossberg 500s have QD barrels

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >idk the point in owning a semi auto shotgun with a cylinder bore barrel. I really don't get the point of owning a shotgun with a cylinder bore barrel at all,
    if it was an 18 inch barreled pump would you understand it reason for existing?
    cause its the same exact reason all of those guns come with cylinder bore. thats what you want on a gun like that.
    semi auto is just cause money isnt an issue and you dont have to cheap out on a pump.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pumps make slightly more sense since its just $200 for a gun you aren't going to ever shoot and just keep in a closet for home defense. imo 18.5 inch and 20 inch cylinder bore barrels only make sense on shotguns you have for hunting or clays anyway so now you can do home defense by just buying a second barrel instead of buying a whole second gun. just having a 18.5 inch or 20 inch cylinder bore barrel just says
      >I'm never going to shoot this gun

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        price is unimportant to some people.
        people can buy whatever gun they want.
        even multiple guns if they feel like it.
        not everyone is a min max autist who has to justify everything they own.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            heres a hypothetical for you. theres a mav 88 and a benelli m4 and they cost exactly the same amount.
            they cost the same cause its a shitty country that jacks up prices to 3000 dollars for anything to keep poors from owning guns. Or frick its free your uncle died, he had 2 guns, you get one shotgun your brother gets the other. you get first pick.
            what gun do you pick?
            you need to be able to seperate pricing from dictating your life choices or your life is going to suck. if you cheap out on everything all you get is cheap shit.
            its important to know what you can and cant afford but ruling out options practicallity solely on price only fricks you.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >just consume product and get excited for new product

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i cant afford anything and have sourgrapes up the ass

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have target rifles that cost more than that shotgun. as I said before, I don't see the point in buying it, not that I am poor

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your whole argument has been well theres some cheaper gun that does what these other guns do. I dont understand why these better guns exist.
                Semi auto is objectivly superior to a pump gun. You can cope about how you have to spend 10 times as much on an m4 vs an 88 but the m4 is a better gun.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your whole argument has been well theres some cheaper gun that does what these other guns do.
                no, you fricking strawmanning moron. I said a semi auto shotgun that doesn't have chokes as no purpose. you are just buying a gun to not shoot it. if it had a choke and maybe a longer barrel it could be used for clays or hunting, but 18.5 inches no choke means you are going to shoot it once and get bored of it because shooting buckshot at static targets is boring and you have no gunz and no dick

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Man your life must suck if you cant figure out a way to have fun with a 18/20 inch shotgun.
                Oh i can only shoot static targets at the range cause im unwilling to drive a couple hours to some shooting spot that lets me do what i want.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                20" cylinder bore is absolutely fricking fine for grouse, quail and woodwiener. You just have to pattern it well and have the sense of mind to recognize when it'll be an unethical shot.
                Fine for deer if you're in even moderately wooded terrain.
                And of course it's fricking great for home defense.

                Sure, it may not be the best gun in any one of these scenarios for most people but its probably gonna be good enough and there are plenty of reasons why the 'best gun for most people' might not be the 'best gun for a particular individual'.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ethical shot
                >birds
                >durr
                >buckshot
                or you could just buy the model with the choked barrels
                >home defense

                At the distances of HD, whether a shotgun has a cylinder choke or not is largely irrelevant. You would not have to worry about it across a common American living room, hallway, or kitchen no matter how open concept your home is unless you live in a genuine mansion. And at that point you're paying for cleanup anyway, a drywall patch isnt going to add much.

                Also, you can get chokes or get it bored for chokes if it isnt a default option. Back in the day you had to pay for them as an upgrade from a smith.

                a mav 88 would do the same job since if you are buying a shotgun for hd you are never going to shoot it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >WOODwiener
                >WOOD
                >wiener
                hue. also stop wasting your time with autismos. they don't understand anything that isn't Roblox or trains.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I have target rifles that cost more than that shotgun
                >just consume product and get excited for new product

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I use the target rifle for competitions

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I go for the maverick because I don't like pistol grips on shotguns. There, easy.
              >why does this exist
              Because. Guns in their current form have been solved. Why should stores stock and people buy anything other than glock 9mm and AR15 pattern rifles?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            poor homosexual moron cope. get a job you bum. literally nobody that has a gun says "yep this is the only gun i'll ever have and i'll use it for everything"

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >don't ask questions. just consume product and then get exited for next product.

              >reddit spacing
              What the frick is that? Not saying it isn’t but as the poster of that id like to know so i can avoid autists from getting triggered. Oh wait you just hyper focus on effectiveness of firearms to the point of ruining other people having fun, definitely not autistic…

              keke reddit gay getting mad

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >PCC only makes sense to me if your range or some kind of shooting sport you joined allows you to do fun shit with a pcc but you can't with a full rifle round.
    I live in Belgium and this is the exact reason why PCC's are popular here so you're right on the spot. They were also used by law enforcement for quite a while but ever since 2015 with all the muslim terror they have switched to 5.56 or 300 BLK rifles.

    The same goes for the shotguns. Indoor ranges in Belgium don't allow the use of shot so you can only shoot slugs, which is why cilinder bore shotguns are a must.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >PCC
    They're cheap and fun to shoot, and they often take the same mags as a pistol. They also give you a significant chunk of the fun of an SMG without all the downsides. Everyone and their brother who wanted an MP5 from 1985 to 2018 has snagged a clone of it. I'm working on a mock De Lisle right now.
    >reasonably suppressible
    This is also a thing.

    >Cylinder bore semi
    You can swap barrels. Or get chokes. Or like firing more than 5 rounds per reload. Some people just flat-out don't like pumps, or have a fricked-up hand and can't rack a shotty.
    Untwist your nuts and accept that sometimes guns can just be, y'know, fun.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shooting an unchoked shotgun isn't fun. the novelty wears off super fricking quick, no gunz

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You seem to be operating under this strange delusion that birdshot is the only thing that is ever going to be coming out of a shotgun.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          go to the range with a shotgun, shoot at static targets and see how quick you get bored

          Man your life must suck if you cant figure out a way to have fun with a 18/20 inch shotgun.
          Oh i can only shoot static targets at the range cause im unwilling to drive a couple hours to some shooting spot that lets me do what i want.

          or, you could buy one with a normal barrel and shoot clays. shotgun vs static targets is boring a shit and way worse than rifles

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There you go min maxing life again oh you cant do that its not fun its boring. Oh i have to go shoot targets at a static range instead of going to a different range where i can do what i want. Oh i cant spend money on a gun i want it costs too much. I have to pretend i dont understand why it exists. I feel bad for you. You have so many self imposed restrictions.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you are putting words in other people's mouths. you have no gunz, you have no penis and you have no toilet

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well i'm not that anon. i have guns, twice as much penis as you (not counting the one in your ass), and my toilet cleans my ass for me. anyways, this might be a radical concept to you but, some people own guns because they like them. this could be for multiple reasons such as they're fun to shoot, they're unique, they look cool, they have history, etc. hope this answers your questions, moron.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >go to the range with a shotgun, shoot at static targets and see how quick you get bored
            I do that every week

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >go to the range with a shotgun, shoot at static targets and see how quick you get bored
            You have no idea how I spend my time or ammo.
            >never played shotgun golf
            >never juggled a dynamic target up a hillside
            >never popped silhouettes on a track
            >Never stuck 2 pound of tannerite in an old washing machine and lit it off with a blackpowder buck-and-ball cartridge for the pure frick of it
            >never loaded stupid shit into a 12 cartridge just to see if it'll fly
            You don't sound very /k/ to me, my good b***h.
            >but why not use a pump or a sxs?
            Because when you have a semi and limited cash, a straight choke or smoothie barrel saves enough money for you to spend it on something else stupid, like more ammo or a solid chunk of a PCC

            as has been explained multiple times before in this thread you no dicked pajeet having a shotgun for just home defense means you are never going to shoot it. the biggest reason to have an hd shotgun is because you are using the shotgun for something else and have an extra barrel since most shotguns are qd barrel swappable
            [...]
            are you fighting terminators? how many unarmored gays can take more than 1 shell of 00? Also you can just use your AR instead

            >hurrdurr nevershoot HD gun
            You do if you want to be sure it works and you can put someone down with it. Even #4 buck misses when you point it in the wrong direction. And I don't have to worry about short-stroking a semi fumbling around in the dark with an adrenaline hit, a weapon light at full blast, and someone six feet from my muzzle. I've had to use a home defense pistol twice and it's not exactly the most controlled environment.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              most people buying an HD gun are buying a handgun, just from the stats. odds are if someone is buying an 18.5 inch shotgun they are never shooting it and its just collecting dust

              >Buhbuhbuh i can shoot sitting at a bench with the .223 at 300yds
              Lmao that's pointless, you're literally just printing groups, it's about as relevant to self defense or hunting as painting is.
              >Cylinder bore shotguns don't have any sporting use
              You're moronic. They're perfectly serviceable for clays, birds, and slug/buckshot for hunting. They're just not as ideal for it at certain ranges as a choked gun

              You watched too many YouTube videos and in your quest for the most practical long gun you actually picked the least practical one because some talking head told you it's what you should want.

              >t. doesn't know how to shoot

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In my state there's a minimum waiting period on handguns which can go quite a bit longer than the stated period, carbines and rifles are heavily regulated, and shotguns are basically ignored completely by the regulators. Semis are extremely popular as home defense weapons, because you can just go down to Wal-Mart and pick one up same-day with cash on the barrelhead.

                My man you are arguing with a guy who is probably sitting in front of a wall of funko pops.

                100% of the people who make
                >please justify why you bought this thing I don't like
                threads are overcompensating for their dad just yelling at them for wasting their money on dolls. All of them. They are ashamed of their own behavior and are lashing out at the world.

                I mean yes, but also publicly calling him a self-centered, uptight, joyless little b***h is kind of satisfying. Maybe might even get him to go outside and put some lead downrange, if only he had a gun or lived somewhere he could shoot it for giggles.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what fricking shithole state regulates carbines and not semi auto shotguns? and based on sales trends, shotguns not popular handguns are
                >reddit spacing
                we get it, you don't have a gun or a toilet or a dick

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you don't have a gun or a toilet or a dick
                Every accusation is a confession. Don't assume everyone is like you, but that's what happens when you are your own point of reference.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              My man you are arguing with a guy who is probably sitting in front of a wall of funko pops.

              100% of the people who make
              >please justify why you bought this thing I don't like
              threads are overcompensating for their dad just yelling at them for wasting their money on dolls. All of them. They are ashamed of their own behavior and are lashing out at the world.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't have any funkopops because I'm not a gay like you

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At the distances of HD, whether a shotgun has a cylinder choke or not is largely irrelevant. You would not have to worry about it across a common American living room, hallway, or kitchen no matter how open concept your home is unless you live in a genuine mansion. And at that point you're paying for cleanup anyway, a drywall patch isnt going to add much.

    Also, you can get chokes or get it bored for chokes if it isnt a default option. Back in the day you had to pay for them as an upgrade from a smith.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >semi auto shotguns make sense if you hunt or clay shoot
    Most serious hunters and clay shooters use double-barrels. Those have the major advantage of letting you have two different chokes in the gun at the same time. The capacity advantage of a semi or a pump is largely moot since clay sports never allow you to load more than 2 shells, and most countries have strict capacity limits for hunting.

    >idk the point in owning a semi auto shotgun with a cylinder bore barrel.
    It's an excellent HD weapon and it's a fun larpstick, just like in video games and movies.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      a mav 88 would do the same job for hd. if you are buying a shotgun for just HD odds are you are never going to shoot it

      well i'm not that anon. i have guns, twice as much penis as you (not counting the one in your ass), and my toilet cleans my ass for me. anyways, this might be a radical concept to you but, some people own guns because they like them. this could be for multiple reasons such as they're fun to shoot, they're unique, they look cool, they have history, etc. hope this answers your questions, moron.

      sounds like you don't have any guns, dicks or toilets and you enjoy eating street food made by a guy who shits in the street and does not wash his hands

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        oh wow sir you got me. please do the needful and have a nice day.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fixed choke barrels exist for the people who do not care for all the other uses for shotguns and want to specifically only shoot 00 Buck or Slugs/speciality rounds. Like cops. They use specific fancy wad loads (Flightcontrol) for their buckshot so they don’t really need a choke. The cylinder bore means they can shoot breaching rounds and slugs without blowing up the barrel if the wrong choke was installed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I need this semi auto shotgun with a cylinder bore to larp as a cop and to shoot the hinges off my door for breeching

      https://i.imgur.com/1tq6A0n.jpeg

      >go to the range with a shotgun, shoot at static targets and see how quick you get bored
      I do that every week

      sounds boring and autistic just magdumping into trash

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those guns exist because cops buy them you stupid frick

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >sounds boring and autistic just magdumping into trash

        So being annoyed with someone not being the absolute most efficient with absolutely everything firearm related is not autistic or boring, but actually shooting and enjoying the sport is? Not saying magdumping into trash isn’t stupid but at least those guys enjoy themselves unlike a person just trying to pick every purchase entirely based on their autistic research and not what makes them want to shoot.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          its either an argumentative anon or a PrepHole militant who just wants everyone to focus exclusively on effectiveness. the kind of person who expects US to do all the revolutioning while he sits back.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >reddit spacing
          autistically mag dumping into trash makes me not want to shoot. I shoot my rifles way more than my shotgun

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Hurrrr Reddit spacer! I have no constructive feedback beyond Reddit space! I would know I’m from there
            You

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >reddit gay getting toastie

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Never been there, unlike you, you should go back your bantz fricking suck and you can’t hold an argument for shit besides “I don’t like it, therefore it’s dumb”. Like a fricking child.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                sure thing there, reddit spacer

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >reddit spacing
            What the frick is that? Not saying it isn’t but as the poster of that id like to know so i can avoid autists from getting triggered. Oh wait you just hyper focus on effectiveness of firearms to the point of ruining other people having fun, definitely not autistic…

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He doesn’t even know, he’s just trolling now.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A PCC is for when you want to plink or hunt small game on the cheap but want something with more reliability and lethality than .22lr

    A cylinder bore semi auto is a common candidate for use as a deer slug gun for states that disallow hunting with rifles.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think shotgun durr states allow semi autos for hunting. plus you would probably use a rifled barrel

      Shoot more guns then newbie

      PCC
      >Cheap to plink with
      >Can get folding/take down models that are easy to conceal
      >mag interchangability with your CCW
      >cheap weapons that are easier to shoot than a handgun and can attachments added to easily making them superior truck guns and travel companions

      12 gauge cylinder bore
      >doesn't gimp your 00 Buck
      >allows you to use slugs without blowing up your gun
      >you can change the choke to whatever you want in most cases
      >they are cheap and easy to obtain

      >reddit spacing
      you can shoot slugs with a choke
      https://www.ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/dear-ron-whats-your-stance-on-shooting-slugs
      plus those guns with those barrels don't come with changable chokes

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Spacing out your points so they are easier to read is reddit

        Lol
        Lmao

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >being unable to read
          ESL

          Those guns exist because cops buy them you stupid frick

          pretty sure they are getting shilled by guntubers, homosexual

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            every gun gets shilled by guntubers
            you are moronic

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              they don't and you clearly have no penis or toilet

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You have all the penises, and they're stuck up your ass. If only they were stuck in your mouth so I wouldn't have to hear you drone on like a buck broken record. You are an AI bot on the fritz

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you don't have a gun or a toilet or a dick
                Every accusation is a confession. Don't assume everyone is like you, but that's what happens when you are your own point of reference.

                you are so fricking mad you got called out for being a no gunz, no dick, no toilet

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            moron

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              dickless reddit spacer

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't think shotgun durr states allow semi autos for hunting.
        all you gotta do here is plug the mag tube to 2+1 max and you're good to go

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shoot more guns then newbie

    PCC
    >Cheap to plink with
    >Can get folding/take down models that are easy to conceal
    >mag interchangability with your CCW
    >cheap weapons that are easier to shoot than a handgun and can attachments added to easily making them superior truck guns and travel companions

    12 gauge cylinder bore
    >doesn't gimp your 00 Buck
    >allows you to use slugs without blowing up your gun
    >you can change the choke to whatever you want in most cases
    >they are cheap and easy to obtain

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think it was about “Law Enforcement” shotguns that do not have replaceable chokes, only fixed cylinder bore.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even if you have a fixed cylinder bore you can go to any competent gun smith and get your barrel tapped to allow for whatever choke you want for cheap.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >12 gauge cylinder bore
      't gimp your 00 Buck
      you to use slugs without blowing up your gun
      fuddlore

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Damn you right

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i like smg and i like combat shotgun

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is the same ar gay thats been posting this same shotgun/PCC hate threads every other day for the last couple weeks isn't it

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well that's easy, because the PCC is decent enough for HD use while not blowing out your ear drums out if you have to actually use the thing(like an AR would) while being cheaper to practice with by a large margin. The shotguns the opposite side of the coin, it'll frick your ears up too but it's way more effective per shot than 5.56 while having tons of sporting utility and no you actually don't need more capacity for home defence with a 12 gauge.

    Intermediate caliber carbines, ARs in specific, are the most CONSOOMerist and useless firearms on the market. Pretty much just a tool for LARPers honestly

    >Verification not required

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can shoot my AR out to 300 yards, which is the max range at my range. we have 50 yards, 50 meters, 100 meters, 200 meters and 300 meters target lines. I can't shoot a PCC to 300 meters.
      a semi auto shotgun has sporting purposes. a semi auto shotgun with a 18.5 inch cylinder bore barrel does not have sporting purposes. most HD scenarios would not require more than 2 shells of 12 gauge

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I can't shoot a PCC to 300 meters.
        Not with that kind of attitude you homosexual, it’s totally doable, much more challenging than shooting point blank targets with an AR like you do. And how stupid are you to mention sporting purposes and home defense shotguns in the same sentence, they’re two entirely different things, and you aren’t using a 32in barreled sporting gun to room clear dumbass.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          as has been explained multiple times before in this thread you no dicked pajeet having a shotgun for just home defense means you are never going to shoot it. the biggest reason to have an hd shotgun is because you are using the shotgun for something else and have an extra barrel since most shotguns are qd barrel swappable

          >most HD scenarios would not require more than 2 shells of 12 gauge
          have a nice day joe

          are you fighting terminators? how many unarmored gays can take more than 1 shell of 00? Also you can just use your AR instead

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you get to make up the rules I don't want to play with you at all

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >having a shotgun for just home defense means you are never going to shoot it.
            Oh like many people in this thread have proven you wrong, 18in shotguns or even shorter are the most fun to shoot, you should try having fun sometime.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              they aren't. I have a 18.5 inch barrel for my mossberg. shooting at static targets with a shotgun is boring as frick

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >most HD scenarios would not require more than 2 shells of 12 gauge
        have a nice day joe

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Buhbuhbuh i can shoot sitting at a bench with the .223 at 300yds
        Lmao that's pointless, you're literally just printing groups, it's about as relevant to self defense or hunting as painting is.
        >Cylinder bore shotguns don't have any sporting use
        You're moronic. They're perfectly serviceable for clays, birds, and slug/buckshot for hunting. They're just not as ideal for it at certain ranges as a choked gun

        You watched too many YouTube videos and in your quest for the most practical long gun you actually picked the least practical one because some talking head told you it's what you should want.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I really don't get the point of owning a shotgun with a cylinder bore barrel at all

    because it's the only sensible choice for a defensive shotgun. chokes are not beneficial in the age of flitecontrol, and even with that, or with chokes, the utility of a shotgun is defined primarily by patterning and knowing different loads at different ranges. a choke is a failure point on a semi-auto combat shotgun that doesn't add any benefit, and is analogous to the forward assist on an AR-15

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      an improved cylinder choke absolutely makes buckshot pattern better and it doesn't make sense to have a shotgun with only a cylinder bore barrel. if you have a normal barrel and a cylinder bore so its doing 2 things it makes sense

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >t. euro
    I need to narrow down my shotgun problem to one reliable modern 24" italian/american pump (hunting) + one cheap reliable modern 14" italian/american pump (HD), and never ever think about it again my whole life. I found the 24", but can't get my hand on some 14" for cheap (it needs to be cheap in case I have to lose it forever in some police locker room).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      another reason why buying a gucci semi auto "combat shotgun" makes no sense

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >pcc
    politically correct carbines, fricking stupid
    >18in barrel shottie
    shortest legal barrel, good for home defense, fully rifled slug gun. put a red dot on it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >18 inch barrel
      >rifled
      >home defense
      not only are rifled barrels fricking terrible for home defense because they don't play nice with buckshot, mossbergs rifled barrels are all 24 inches. savages slug guns are 22 inches. Remingshit barrels are apparently 23 inches if they have a rail and 20 inches if they have rifle sights

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >doesn't play nice w buckshot
        too close up for it to matter
        >these brands I like don't make one
        cut it yourself or buy a Turkey shotgun

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          brands I like
          those are probably the top 3 brands in terms of shotguns in the US. certainty the top 3 brands for slug guns

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    PCCs are useless in semi auto, the concept was to have a short barrel longgun that can shoot full auto with low recoil. You can't get them in full auto, so a handgun is more useful and versatile in every way so long as you learn how to shoot it. Spend $200 on a handgun course I am telling you it's a game changer and you'll realize why PCCs are a meme without even having to ask.

    Shotguns oddly enough are becoming more relevant because of dem drones. I don't want to be clearing a jam when one of those things is coming for me, and semi auto shotguns are jamomatics especially with birdshot. They tune them for buckshot and slugs typically. I went to shotgun school and saw their destructive potential as far as home defense and offensive applications goes. A semi auto shotty is a must have in my arsenal now. You probably mean smoothbore not "cylinder bore" and that's the only type of shotty to get, rifled shotguns are a very specific niche and you can't shoot shot through them. You can only shoot unrifled slugs, so not very versatile. If you get rifled slugs, the rifling is on the slug itself so it spins when shot out of a smoothbore and shoots very stable. I've rang steel at 100y with a rifled slug first attempt with a freaking bead sight, they're very accurate and don't drop as much as you'd think.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You'd need a building clearing course along with the handgun course. The handgun course will make you a better shooter and more confident with handguns so you realize you don't need to have a shouldered longgun to shoot accurately. The building clearing course will show yoi how cumbersome a longgun is indoors, and how you simply can't work certain angles to stay safely behind cover. You have to expose half your body to potential gunfire in order to present shouldered on target. With a handgun you just pull it closer to your face and you can still use the sights and shoot it like that, reducing your presented OAL to basically zero. You can shoot someone while leaning around a wall while they can only see a 1" corner of you, just your eye and yoir barrel. Good luck shooting that when it's already shooting at you.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and semi auto shotguns are jamomatics especially with birdshot. They tune them for buckshot and slugs typically.
      most semi auto shotguns, assuming they don't have a meme barrel are tuned for birdshot

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >. I went to shotgun school and saw their destructive potential as far as home defense and offensive applications goes. A semi auto shotty is a must have in my arsenal now. You probably mean smoothbore not "cylinder bore" and that's the only type of shotty to get,
      cylinder bore is referring to the choke you complete fricking moron

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why would OP ask such a noob question with such specific emphasis on a certain choke type? Damn near every shotgun is cylinder bore, the others are for special applications usually bird hunting.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >semi auto shotguns are jamomatics especially with birdshot
      with weak-ass clay loads maybe. eith a heavy load going fast it doesn't matter if it's birdshot or a slug, gas pressure and recoil are the same.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    shotguns are for delivering a lot of mass on target at short range. semi-auto is for delivering mass on target quicker. the rate of spread can be changed by ammo selection.
    so I don't get what you don't get.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there is no scenario where >muh tactical semi auto combat shotgun will do something a pump action or carbine won't do. semi auto shotguns with a full length barrel and choke make sense. semi auto combat shotguns are mall ninja shit

      Why would OP ask such a noob question with such specific emphasis on a certain choke type? Damn near every shotgun is cylinder bore, the others are for special applications usually bird hunting.

      >Why would OP ask such a noob question with such specific emphasis on a certain choke type?
      holy shit you are no gunz and no toilet and you eat street food made by a man who hasn't washed his hands in a decade. choke type is a huge component to how a shotgun patterns
      >Damn near every shotgun is cylinder bore,
      no, the vast vast majority of shotguns ever made have some sort of choke either built in or changeable. only "riot guns" have cylinder bore chokes
      >, the others are for special applications usually bird hunting.
      bird hunting and shooting clays are literally the 2 most common uses for shotguns

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >muh pump
        semi-autos spit out lead faster and there's less to fumble.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          how many HD gun fights do you think take more than 2 shells of buckshot? and if you think it will why use a shotgun over a carbine?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what if there's more than one intruder and I want to saturate them with lead?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              odds are one or both will frick off if they were just there for your shit. if they are there specifically to kill you I'd rather use my AR

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                but I don't want them to frick off, I want to saturate them with lead.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A cylinder choke does come in handy for skeet shooting and hunting in thicker cover. There are even skeet chokes that are larger in diameter than the bore to aid spread at short ranges.

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