Plan to manufacture more HIMARS

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >send small amount of weapons and equipment to Ukraine
    >still managed to change the tide of the war
    >ukies ask for more
    >decide to make 500, raise the military spending to 2 trillion

    How the fuck with the US deal with this economically?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      With every western country on earth scrambling to buy Himars, it'll pay for itself

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pay for itself how?

        Military Industrial Complex is a corrupt system.
        It's not like we're giving Federal loans to other countries to pay for them at high interest rates.
        It's not like we have a 20% excise tax on these arms.

        What actually happens is some banker makes a lot of money, some executives at the arms manufacturers make a lot of money, and the middle class winds up SUBSIDIZING the cost of them from them getting sub-prime federal loans that cost the government money.

        https://i.imgur.com/kwMFdsq.jpg

        is even cuckolding Russia out of selling IFVS/APCs.

        if you want to buy a wheeled IFV, are you really going to buy a fucking BTR-82A?

        i think its obvious a few new BTR-4 orders will be placed after the war is over, plus the Irakis gave good feedback too and there was a modernization plan ready before putin chimped out, pic related, BTR-4MV1

        That looks cool and different than I thought BTR-4 looks. Oh it's a new MV variant. I like it a lot.

        why the fuck would you buy that shit at all when you can buy a Mowag Piranha, boxer or Patria? I mean Russian vehicle engines. Do you understand RUSSIAN VECHICLE ENGINES. They don't. Why would you go and by a Lada? Why? This shit os for nations that are so poor that there is very little money in selling to them anyway. in the USSR arms sales and supply was a means of geopolitical control and propping up pro russian dictatorships like assad. Does it make money? Dubious.

        BTR-4 is cheaper and larger than most else.
        afaik it has some of the better survivability for the driver and gunner of all the IFVs due to heavier armor thanks to its size and having the engine separating them from the squad area. It can take A LOT of RPG's to the read 2/3rds of it and still keep fighting in a way that little to no other IFVs can compete. That MV variant looks even better armored at the front.
        It's also amphibious.

        compares it to the Stryker and BTR-82.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Everybody concerned with aggression from some shithole armed with Vatnig garbage will want to buy them now. Not only has this war tanked Russia's geopolitical value, but it's also effectively demolishing the demand for Russian militech while simultaneously being a huge advertisement for it's western counterpart.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        damn. it's hilarious when you realize from how many points of view they screwed up

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's hilarious when you realize from how many points of view they screwed up

          It feels like every month we find a new and exciting way that Russia has fucked up

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Literally their biggest blunder of the century

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *so far

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It was, as a whole, an enormous and catastrophic geopolitical error, as well as a tactical clusterfuck, however I also think it was inevitable. Consider, all that military was drawing resources from a GDP not significantly different from Spain's, Winnie The Flu is looking at his side of the Russian border hungrily while Russia goes increasingly deeper into Wumao debt, and the independent ex-soviet bloc countries were slowly warming to NATO.
          If he didn't attack, Russia would have slowly become geopolitically irrelevant, reduced eventually to a debt slave to China. If he had attacked Ukraine and managed to win, betting on NATO being total pussies, then he might have at least been able to rape Ukraine for resources for a while to prop Russia up a little longer.
          This way at least Russia's geopolitical death will be fast, only five years to a decade, and invading Ukraine was the only slim chance of avoiding it.
          There were other options, however Putin being an egomaniac and retard would never have accepted something like say de-escalation of hostility with NATO, or trying to reduce corruption and graft in his own government.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they couldve just reformed their economy instead of acting like damn chimps

            germany and japan suffered defeats far more catastrophic than the dissolution of the USSR, and yet they rebuilt and are not geo politically insignificant today, they are not china or the US, but they still have plenty of influence and their citizens live well

            russia couldve easily taken that route

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >instead of acting like damn chimps
              lol, said the scorpion, lmao.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Like I said, those options did exist but they were effectively off the table because yknow,
              >"Hohol banan not captured yet? Drop more VDV, attach the cope cage, mobilize the Moskva, wake up the snoozer, etc, etc"

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Its not really an option in this case. Russia's dictatorship style of governance is propped up entirely on Oil sales in the modern day, just as the Soviets were propped up by raping the hell out of all their member states. Provided that Russia has a major source of state money that doesn't come from its people, it will remain a dictatorship. The political forces in play effectively require it to remain that way. If Russia's people were more economically productive, it could change. But they never will be, because to make them more productive would threaten the current status quo. As for whether Putin could, if he tried he would be replaced by somebody who wouldn't, as the people who keep Putin in power are the same that benefit most from the existing system.

              As for Germany and Japan, neither of them were cursed by natural resources, and both had a strong arm of democracy forced upon them. In both cases, the economic strength of the nation came from the people, and as a result both remain mostly stable democracies.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >and yet they rebuilt
              Japan had big daddy USA propping it up due to the soviet threat.
              Germany had both west and soviet pumping development into it.
              Those 2 countries didn't just rise out of the ash by their own doing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            its actually pretty insane just how quickly Russia became economically dependent upon China within a few months. They really didn't think they would burn through foreign currency reserves so fast or that sanctions would be so thorough. The same debt strategy China has been using on thirdies will now be used against Russia to regain the "historical borders" in due time.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          getting Europe to stop buying Russian oil and gas and using it to threaten to freeze them in winter so they never ever buy it again was an absolute master stroke from Putin. 5D Chess there from an Italy sized economy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          let's attempt a tally:
          >putin's geopolitical competency
          >russia's army
          >russia's navy
          >russia's weapons
          >european energy market
          >nato memberships up
          >germany remilitarized
          >russian language btfo'd
          >euros don't even want money from russian tourists
          this is just off the top, feel free to join in

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >potentially alienating your only frenemy of use, China, because you've fucked yourself so bad there is no backing you up
            >potentially weakened yourself enough militarily and geopolitically to invite exploitation by China
            >fucked your economy so much through sanction that the only possible way forward is to allow yourself to be exploited by China, and India and Pakistan, because they know you can't sell to anyone else

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yup, basically everyone added NLAWS, Javelins, HIMARS and TB-2s to their wishlists, maybe some BTR-4s and Stugna-Ps as well

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >BTR-4
          >Ukraine is even cuckolding Russia out of selling IFVS/APCs.
          It'd be too easy to just think the only thing propping up the USSR was Ukraine and the Baltics but god I'd love to ask a Soviet Expert just how much industry and knowhow came from that area. I'd bet if you include St Petersburg that moscow et al offered fucking nothing but warm bodies.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ask a Soviet Expert just how much industry and knowhow came from that area.
            I will explain it to you this way. Lithuanian factory had begun producing toilet paper in 1923. First Russian soviet toilet paper factory was 1969. Lithuania was not part of the soviet union. All Marxist Leninist soviet Russian economics can be explained via toilet paper facts and analogies. Being able to purchase toilet paper in Russia after the factory opened in 1969 was considered quite an achievement and people would thread the rolls on string and wear them around their necks on the way back from the store as a status symbol that made others envious. I am not joking. This is was happened.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Lithuania was not part of the soviet union
              wut

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lithuania built its toilet paper factor in 1923. Soviet Russia built its first toilet paper factory in 1969. Lithuania was annexed in August 1940 after Hitler and Stalin became allies under their non aggression pact.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                d-did they d-destroy the blessed tp factory in 1940?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                i bet they decided to re-tool it to make toilet paper holders or something instead

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            is even cuckolding Russia out of selling IFVS/APCs.

            if you want to buy a wheeled IFV, are you really going to buy a fucking BTR-82A?

            i think its obvious a few new BTR-4 orders will be placed after the war is over, plus the Irakis gave good feedback too and there was a modernization plan ready before putin chimped out, pic related, BTR-4MV1

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              why the fuck would you buy that shit at all when you can buy a Mowag Piranha, boxer or Patria? I mean Russian vehicle engines. Do you understand RUSSIAN VECHICLE ENGINES. They don't. Why would you go and by a Lada? Why? This shit os for nations that are so poor that there is very little money in selling to them anyway. in the USSR arms sales and supply was a means of geopolitical control and propping up pro russian dictatorships like assad. Does it make money? Dubious.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you can still carve a niche by selling cheap stuff anon

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >few new BTR-4 orders will be placed after the war is over,
              Nothing will be made in Russia. It has more sanctions on it than North Korea especially ones against its ability to manufacture anything military or dual use. Those sanctions will stay there until Russia has left every cm of Ukrainians clay including Crimea, apologised and handed over war criminals. Sucks to be Russia. They can't make any semi advanced vehicles at all, they can't even buy the basic western made tech for fishing boats. Russia is done as a military equipment exporter. It had been harvesting parts from its tank graveyards for decades like some sort of scrapyard people nation respraying them and selling them to morons, pakkis and poos. Whatever parts were left are being used up. They are finished. Done. You really think, what....Russia can mass produce vehicle engine, suspension, electronics....with the sanctions on effecting their ability to buy basically anything they need? You know what they have to pay China in (not that China will sell to them) Euros. Their main sources of Euros was gas sales. They just fucked that up. Russia is so fucked in so many ways. Their days as a weapons exporting country are finished.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the BTR-4 is a Ukrainian design anon, not russian

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              god the BTR-4 turns me on

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              man, I remember how those BTR-4 mowed down the vatmorons legs.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It should be noted that the ones Ukraine sent to Iraq were of shit quality and were returned.
              But then again, when Ukraine fixed them and sent them to Nigeria, they fucking loved the thing.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but god I'd love to ask a Soviet Expert just how much industry and knowhow came from that area
            Ukraine made up roughly 35-40% of the Soviet arms industry.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Ukraine made up roughly 35-40% of the Soviet arms industry.
              Most of the most advanced components such as high end missile engines, aircraft carriers etc were made in Ukraine

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It was hilarious to find out that the reason why the Russian Navy flounders so hard post Soviet dissolution was because the major dockyards they built all their big ships was located not anywhere within Russia proper but Ukraine.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is true for almost all Russian equipment, in almost any case you'd care to mention the best version of that thing, be it infantry weapon, garment, vehicle, ship, plane, heli, etc will probably have been manufactured somewhere other than Russia proper.
                There were some truly brilliant Russian engineers, but Russian industry has always been garbage basically since it began to exist at all.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Consider this and only the grotesque stupidity of Putin in Ukraine could have given the world this insight. Russia claims to have 10,000+ APC/IFV in reserve and 10000+ MBTs in reserve. Satellite imagery and reports from Russia show us that these 'reserves' were water and moss/lichen filled hulks that the engines, optics, electronics, maintenance kits, weapons mounts etc had been stripped from. Russia has lost about 2/3rd of the at best 3300 reasonably modern somewhat working tanks it had prior to the invasion. So where are the reserves? Where do you think the engines sold to Russian military clients using e.g. T72 or BMPs came from? Where do you think the chassis for the 'terminators' sold to Algeria came from? Now we see that Russia is rolling resreve tanks with no working run because broken autoloader or no running engine as static emplacements in Ukraine, going back to unsaleable shit like T62s or MT-LB. There is a reason for that. Anything in those graveyards that could be sold has been sold either as military hardware to customers or simply recycled or even sold off to collectors. It is gone but that was also what the real Russian arms export industry was. A scrap yard cargo cult. The Ukraine war has ruined that business, first shit down the western supply chains that let them clean up and modernise some of this shit, secondly forced them to use up whatever was left in a scrapyard frenzy. The sanctions won't be lifted for a decade on military manufacturing in Russia even if the war ends tomorrow. Russia will never be a weapons exporter again. The Ukraine war has made every dictator in the world look at Russian systems like s300/400/tos/t90/KA/SU etc etc and understand it is completely fucking worthless against the US/EU/G7. If it has not had the graveyards to harvest would teh Russian arms exporters have even broke even? Doubtful. These industries were never set up to be profitable but as tools of control for client dictatorships/occupations

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The funniest part is that if sanctions remain and post-war Russia wants to rebuild their army, they're reliant on imports...from Iran and North Korea.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The funniest part is that if sanctions remain and post-war Russia wants to rebuild their army, they're reliant on imports...from Iran and North Korea.
                Iran and North Korea have been consuming shit from Russian tank graveyards for decades. Let's see what happens. I guess Russia may still be able to dig out T55 parts for swap trades with North Korea. You do identify something that should always have been obvious though, Iran is a de facto Russian client state. The axis that is Iran-Syria-Russia-North Korea-Belarus-Venezuela-Nicaragua-Cuba-El Salvador has been mortally wounded. How long does Assad have left now? Or Kim?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Iran-Syria-Russia-North Korea-Belarus-Venezuela-Nicaragua-Cuba-El Salvador
                It was always Russia. More specifically always the Kremlin. What a cancer it has been in the world. What a curse to mankind.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can't really blame Iran on Russia. That one is 90% the CIA's fault and 10% Jimmy Carter's fault.

                And I say that as someone whose family was close to the Shah.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Iran and Cuba will be fine, they could maybe pivot and negotiate, but they are used to sanctions.
                Syria I think can reasonably negotiate, they've been getting along well enough with the Kurds and Iraqis
                Nicaragua and El Salvador aren't functional states anyways, Russia being around probably isn't changing much.
                Best Korea, idk. It depends on whether the Russians gave them food or not, and aside from some missile tech and maybe some nook stuff, they they weren't exactly getting top of the line stuff. They've been in decline for years regardless, and realistically won't be using any of it ever. China will still be there, as long as they don't chimp the fuck out, and like Cuba and Iran they're very used to sanctions at this point.

                If I am wrong feel free to elaborate on russian influence on these places, especially El Salvador and Nicaragua, I don't know anything about rus influence there.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Iran and Cuba
                Absolutely not. Neither will last a year with Russia gone
                >Syria
                First to go. Assad is on the machine that goes beep. The only thing that kept him alive is Putin.

                >Nicaragua and El Salvador
                Fully under Russian influence and with rulers installed by Russia.
                >Best Korea
                People always seem to see this as a Chinese client but it has much closer links with Russia, even now and especially on military equipment and criminal networks.

                e.g
                https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/mercosur/venezuela-cuba-bolivia-nicaragua-and-el-salvador-exhibit-their-alliance-with-russia-at-the-un/

                Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and El Salvador exhibit their alliance with Russia at the UN
                By
                Latin America News
                March 3, 2022
                RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL - The extraordinary UN General Assembly voted on Wednesday a resolution condemning the Russian special military operation in Ukraine. It totaled 141 votes in favor, five against (Belarus, Eritrea, North Korea, Syria, and Russia itself), and 35 abstentions. The latter group includes China and four Latin American countries: Bolivia, Cuba, El Salvador, and Nicaragua. A fifth, Venezuela, an unconditional ally of Moscow, has its vote disqualified due to debts with the organization. The positive votes of Argentina and Brazil, two countries that had played the neutrality card and finally opted for repudiation, were relevant.

                I think the only Russian client state that will be left is Belarus and maybe not even that. The USSR may have collapsed and Eastern Europe liberated but that never happened in the occupied south American client states. In fact the Russians expanded their misery into Venezuela.

                You have these Russian client state Axis
                Middle East - Syria-Iran
                South America-Cuba-Venezuela-Nicaragua-El Salvador
                Asia
                North Korea, India etc

                The First to go will be Syria, then Venezuela. I'd put money on this. The only thing that keeps half these regimes in place is Russia.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I think the only Russian client state that will be left is Belarus and maybe not even that
                I didn't even bother mentioning them cause they absolutely are gone.
                The people there hate lukashenko. If another coup happens, even now, he is fucked beyond belief. Opposition has been able to survive a bit intact right over the border in poland.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Belarus just got purged. It will not be doing a great escape anytime soon sadly the best and the bravest there are all dead in prison or in exile.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >North Korea, India etc

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                China wants North Korea there, even if they don't like them, as long as South Korea is a strong US ally. It's a buffer state to them.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >China wants North Korea there
                Does it though? Does it Really? North Korea has always been a compromise holding position between China Russia and the US but the Kims have always been primarily Stalin/Putin/Russia pets and a big component in each others crime syndicates, for example forged currency. North Korea still exports slaves to Russia for roubles that replaced some gulag workers as Russia's population fell off. Russia had a far bigger hand in establishing that regime than people realise. Does China really need this shit on its doorsteps? Why? You say buffer state but if that buffer is bizzare hell scape prone to famine and mass paranoia with nukes how much of a buffer is that? You think China wants this

                On its doorstep? Really? Russia yes. Not China.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                At this point, the nk nooks are more for the chinks than they are for sk/us. Memes aside, there is no reason for Kim to be xi's pawn, especially if something threatens his survival.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>Iran and Cuba
                >Absolutely not. Neither will last a year with Russia gone

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fascinating thank you. I am watching it now. Venezuela is a real shame, that was quite a nice well run country within my memory and now it is a gang ridden impoverished dump.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That channel has a very intelligent observer. I like his analysis.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Absolutely not. Neither will last a year with Russia gone
                Iran doesnt care about Russia outside of being so close to them. Theyre cozying up with china.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The axis that is Iran-Syria-Russia-North Korea-Belarus-Venezuela-Nicaragua-Cuba-El Salvador

                >Iran and Cuba
                Absolutely not. Neither will last a year with Russia gone
                >Syria
                First to go. Assad is on the machine that goes beep. The only thing that kept him alive is Putin.

                >Nicaragua and El Salvador
                Fully under Russian influence and with rulers installed by Russia.
                >Best Korea
                People always seem to see this as a Chinese client but it has much closer links with Russia, even now and especially on military equipment and criminal networks.

                e.g
                https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/mercosur/venezuela-cuba-bolivia-nicaragua-and-el-salvador-exhibit-their-alliance-with-russia-at-the-un/

                Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and El Salvador exhibit their alliance with Russia at the UN
                By
                Latin America News
                March 3, 2022
                RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL - The extraordinary UN General Assembly voted on Wednesday a resolution condemning the Russian special military operation in Ukraine. It totaled 141 votes in favor, five against (Belarus, Eritrea, North Korea, Syria, and Russia itself), and 35 abstentions. The latter group includes China and four Latin American countries: Bolivia, Cuba, El Salvador, and Nicaragua. A fifth, Venezuela, an unconditional ally of Moscow, has its vote disqualified due to debts with the organization. The positive votes of Argentina and Brazil, two countries that had played the neutrality card and finally opted for repudiation, were relevant.

                I think the only Russian client state that will be left is Belarus and maybe not even that. The USSR may have collapsed and Eastern Europe liberated but that never happened in the occupied south American client states. In fact the Russians expanded their misery into Venezuela.

                You have these Russian client state Axis
                Middle East - Syria-Iran
                South America-Cuba-Venezuela-Nicaragua-El Salvador
                Asia
                North Korea, India etc

                The First to go will be Syria, then Venezuela. I'd put money on this. The only thing that keeps half these regimes in place is Russia.

                >El Salvador

                Iran and Cuba will be fine, they could maybe pivot and negotiate, but they are used to sanctions.
                Syria I think can reasonably negotiate, they've been getting along well enough with the Kurds and Iraqis
                Nicaragua and El Salvador aren't functional states anyways, Russia being around probably isn't changing much.
                Best Korea, idk. It depends on whether the Russians gave them food or not, and aside from some missile tech and maybe some nook stuff, they they weren't exactly getting top of the line stuff. They've been in decline for years regardless, and realistically won't be using any of it ever. China will still be there, as long as they don't chimp the fuck out, and like Cuba and Iran they're very used to sanctions at this point.

                If I am wrong feel free to elaborate on russian influence on these places, especially El Salvador and Nicaragua, I don't know anything about rus influence there.

                >El Salvador

                https://i.imgur.com/CPhSIr9.jpg

                >Iran-Syria-Russia-North Korea-Belarus-Venezuela-Nicaragua-Cuba-El Salvador
                It was always Russia. More specifically always the Kremlin. What a cancer it has been in the world. What a curse to mankind.

                >El Salvador
                Where the fuck are you people getting El Salvador from? El Salvador's currency is literally the US Dollar.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i really doubt about the Stugna-P
          unless it’s dirt cheap its just as outdated as russian ATGMs, as a beam riding ATGM
          also not sure about the BTR-4, it’s export attempts were rejected due to QC issues iirc and it’s at best a BTR alternative which is also not that good. albeit much better than the russian/soviet ones

          and a serious question
          can ukraine make more now? i am not that certain about it

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Katyushas are as much an emblem of your patriotic war as the PPSH and T34
        >Literally have fucking songs dedicated to it
        >75 years later you get humiliated by your post-german great rival doing a better job of rocketry than you did

        Martial netorare.

        This war is the biggest military R&D tech expo since the heydays of the GWOT. It's clear the big winners for the security market is:
        >Drones (and turkey especially)
        >HIMARS
        >thermal shit
        >ATGM

        Meanwhile I don't think fucking anyone, not even some impoverished third world country, will have a huge motivation for old Russian tanks. Maybe a little because they'll be good vs your jihadist insurgencies but

        damn. it's hilarious when you realize from how many points of view they screwed up

        this has been the greatest catastrophic fuckup for Russia since the end of the cold war, and if you omit that then this is their biggest fuckup since what, Russo-jap war?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That, plus air defense systems, HARMs with what appear to be really easy modkits to strap to Russian derived aircraft, and while I doubt at this point that they'll be used or needed for this war, Germany will surely want to shill current gen Leopards as well as the new Panther.
          Shame that Vatnigs will ABANDOON so fast over the next few weeks that it's unlikely any of the various NATO tanks will ever get a chance to match weights with them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Maybe a little because they'll be good vs your jihadist insurgencies
          with all the hardware left by the US in afghanistan? with all the arms flowing into ukraine? I'd be surprised if a rouge NLAW doesn't eventually end up in the hands of some improvished freedom fighter about to blow a hole in the ass of some dictator army's hand-me-down russian rustbucket tank in the coming decade.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >have fucking songs dedicated to it
          They are named after the girl in the song.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2 trillion
      ?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you missed the part where this conflict became a giant arms commercial broadcast to the rest of the world. why did you think the us was in this?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the best part is that they just demonstrate by sending 16. they should make a bundle package. "the russian repellent pack", 16 himars and 20 drones to deliver cigarettes and lighters

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2 trillion

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We just hate the Ruskies, simple as.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How will the US deal with making profits from selling successful weapons designs

      Krokodil brain

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably with the money other countries will pay for it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because literally every NATO country has put in orders for HIMARS. It's not like they're producing them all for the US. Are you retarded?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >decide to make 500, raise the military spending to 2 trillion
      You are aware that most of these trillions will get back to government? Money spend domestically dont just vanish, anon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How the fuck with the US deal with this economically?
      what's another couple trillion $ to the moon of debt we have?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Take control over Russian gas, which will be justified

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >buy from a company in your country
      >they get money
      >they pay taxes
      >they employ people
      >they can now employ even more people
      >*russian brain moment*
      >how does this help said country

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't Poland want 500?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "We don't know how Ukraine got those 500 new himars, they could've come from anywhere"

      jokes aside, yes, yes they did.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shouldn't this be happening as a matter of course? Europe should be ordering 1000 of these suckers between them.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Uhh is HIMARS even of any use to Taiwan?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They can strike naval targets, so they are basically mobile platforms to make sure chinks cant land anything

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't it only GPS or laser guided?
        Naval usually requires a special seeker head

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I thought they were able to be guided by satellite? I may be wrong though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They can strike naval targets, so they are basically mobile platforms to make sure chinks cant land anything

      I could see Taiwan sinking China's artificial islands with them and shinking Chinese boats. Taiwan really just needs to turtle up and turn into a porcupine. The US could easily handle a no fly zone over Taiwan, they should focus on being able to make an amphibious invasion living hell.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The problem is they haven’t been boosting military spending over the past 30 years.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Which is ridiculous considering Russia has shown that countries are stupid enough to try blatant imperialistic invasions in the current year.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        China is even worse than Russia, there's just more of the worse.
        Tale as old as time.

        This whole debacle really put a muzzle on both of 'em tbqh famalama dingdong.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          China has the economy and global relevance to actually build up a modern military. At least they're pumping out "modern" military equipment in actual numbers. How good those equipment really are, that's up for debate.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Look up the M30A2 with Alternative Warhead and imagine using it against a massed amphibious landing force. It would quite literally be raining tungsten.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Let's do it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They can strike naval targets, so they are basically mobile platforms to make sure chinks cant land anything

      The HIMARS has a limited Anti-Ship role as of now, though they have been looking at terminal seekers to allow it to hit moving targets as far back as 2010.
      https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/11/black-sea-drill-again-validates-himars-as-an-anti-ship-weapon-system/
      >The Army is also analyzing "seeker" technology for the GMLRS which would give the weapon the ability to hit a moving target, Rice said.
      https://www.army.mil/article/38195/army_receives_10000th_gmlrs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They can at least hit the ones that are landing with GPS. And if China lands on Penghu first Taiwan could probably hit them there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If they're using the other ammo it can use then yeah, Isn't it ATACMS? If it is that can strike across the strait I think.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >economically?
    You expect the US government to care about spending? They'll just raise taxes and pass the burden to the next few administrations.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >raise taxes
      Bitch they will just go further into debt. At this point nobody really expects their money back anyways, or what do you think is gonna happen when say China wants their money back and the us says "no"?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Money lent to the USA is as good as gold in the hand. If that changes then the american financial system is gone and never coming back, along with it's economy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >raise taxes
          Bitch they will just go further into debt. At this point nobody really expects their money back anyways, or what do you think is gonna happen when say China wants their money back and the us says "no"?

          China collects on their debt twice a year retards. Look up how the Fed actually issues debt.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    don’t we have more advanced stuff?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The advancements are all in the missiles used

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, PrSM is a 500km+ cruise missile that HIMARS can twin pack to replace ATACMS. But sometimes you just want a bunch of cheap, accurate mid range guided rockets.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a fucking 500km range cruise missile launched from some truck on a highway
        I didn't even know they fit 2 of them in the rocket pod, I assumed it would be AMACMS sized.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >4 HIMARS drive to Sumy
          >fire 8 missiles at Moscow
          >leave

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Sumy to Moscow is 370 miles
            >missiles hit the ground less than halfway there
            Maybe after they get ATACMS, if they do.

            Captcha: nggg8

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The US have weapons most wouldn't even believe physically possible. Makes hypersonic missiles look like sugar rockets

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the scale of this shit is so disappointing
    100 himars? usa built 85000 warplanes in one year in ww2

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia isn't worth that much effort

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, but 1 HIMARS does the work of about 20 WW2 artillery pieces. Better equipment means the relative significance of individual units is far greater. Plus we're not in a global war.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >20
        More like 200

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >20
        More like 200

        No not a global war but with Russia effectively gone under CIA Agent Putin who has wiped not not just its military and economy but also its arms manufacturing and diplomacy there is an opportunity to allow the people of southern and Latin America to liberate themselves from Russian created dictatorships. These are the main cause of poverty, destabilisation and immigration from south America. You don't need to build a wall if south America is a stable prosperous region that buys teslas, fords, big macs and caterpillars because if the USA does not clean up the mess the Russian left there...the chinese will...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Production is being ramped up as we speak. And they are expecting to be able to manufacture 15000 per year within two years.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Source? I want to believe.
        >16 well utilized HIMARS utterly cucked Russian war effort for months
        >15-fucking-thousand per year
        My body is ready.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the whole country was focused on war production back then. 1 company makes himars.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're comparing a total war economy that involved a global conflict versus a Russian chimp out. Use your brain.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Big number good

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The US spent 45% of its GDP on military from 1942-1945
      we are never going to reach that level of spending ever again. Right now, it's 3%

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God, we could burn the world without ever needing to split an atom.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine an entire bomber fleet of B2's levelling a city. Good God what a sight that would be.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Back then, any ol' car factory (or even fucking furniture factories with certain models) could be turned to aircraft production. Modern stuff's a touch more complicated.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Back then, any ol' car factory (or even fucking furniture factories with certain models) could be turned to aircraft production.
        Remember that Rock-Ola (a jukebox company) and Underwood (who made typewriters) got on board making M1 Carbines in WW2?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Warplanes back then were an engine with steel casing with wings. Not anywhere comparable to computerized systems.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The funniest fucking thing about HIMARS to me is that it's just a god damn GPS and INS guided rocket with a healthy payload that can hit a target within 10 meters under the worst case scenario (windy, stormy weather with a failed GPS, solely relying on INS).
    That's fucking it. It's an incredibly simple concept, and it's not even that expensive ($3.5 Million per M142, $100k~ per M31 GMLRS). That's about the cost of a single T-80 for the launcher.
    Oh and it has a rated range of 80km, but Ukraine has shown in practice it can stretch its legs to reach 100km - 110km. Not a 2km range like the fucking TOS-1A. Now imagine how far GMLRS-ER can go outside of its 150km rated range.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For all Russia likes to jerk off about hypersonic missiles and shit, sometimes you just need a good shoot and scoot GPS missile, you know?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd argue its not simple, but just a really refined system
      They knocked off all the difficult things which make dealing with heavy munitions a complete pain in the dick, then added some usability like putting it on a simple, lower cost but effective platform that means your maintenance and operation can be done by any one with some fundamentals in operating and fixing trucks. Sort of all the good things of the old BM21 but none of the shit stuff like individually having to load tubes, quicker turn around on fire missions and tailoring your load out as-required.

      The price point to play is really low and you'd honestly be mad not to have at least 'some' in the inventory of anyone that needs to strike into the back fields of a battle zone

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Any rocket can go outside it's range if you're able to accept a wider probability radius! At a far enough distance it's in between mortars and ICBMs, and the math for dumbfire lobbing on a ballistic trajectory hasn't changed, so someone who paid attention in trig can handle a volley fairly well, assuming they have accurate intel and a big enough acceptable target.

      Ain't rocket science fun!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes but you need a good satellite positioning system in the first place. Only the US military or people using US miltech get the GPS receivers that can function in a missile (flying at fast speeds, demanding extremely accurate coordinates).

      Russia's GPS analog is trash so their missiles suck

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry, but the Poles are fed up with the bureaucracy so they are now going for K-239 instead of HIMARS.
    https://gagadget.com/en/161838-poland-wants-to-buy-south-koreas-k239-chunmoo-multiple-rocket-launchers/

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They’re buying way more HIMARS, and for good reason

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't understand why they would do that, south korea is shit and everything south korean is shit

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Poland's got a major boner for SK right now, they're buying pretty much everything they develop

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's literally the only M270 clone out there while the is 1/3 of himars. Also, the us won't be able to handle all those orders.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Also, the us won't be able to handle all those orders.
          kek imagine believing this. The South Korean HIMARS will never catch on.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But that's literally how the manufacturer explained and K-239 is already being deployed en masse. It also has an ability to launch guided munitions that ordinary MLRS can't

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          *price

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They don’t manufacture GMLRS so it makes sense that they are buying HIMARS. The South Korean version of GMLRS couldn’t hope to achieve the same results as the American system. The SK’s don’t even have an indigenous stealth fighter that they can use to target GMLRS like the f35 HIMARS combo

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            K-239 has a slightly elongated launch tubes so that it can fit a ballistic missile like a KTSSM-II.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yea and HIMARS has ATACMS and PRSM. Plus there are wayyyyy more m270 and HIMARS out there and they have a very impressive combat history. SK will play second fiddle to that

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This. I’m sorry SK anon had to find out like this

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He'll just put his fingers in his ears and pretend it's not true.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                PRSM=KTSSM
                ATACM=KTSSM-II
                Literally there is already a customer like UAE who's the biggest user outside South Korea at the moment. As for the range, the only thing that is holding it back is MTCR.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Also, the us won't be able to handle all those orders.
          Glowie-san if you are here please trace my IP and send me a job application to help build these HIMARS, I am ready.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Because it's literally the only M270 clone
          What is the M270A2 being produce right now? Why would you go for a second-rate knock-off that costs more than the original? This is just Poland trying to get US to sell the cheaper by feigning interest in worse Korea's knock-off system.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why would you go for a second-rate knock-off that costs more than the original?
            Because it has limited production numbers and it is regulated as a strategic weapon. Which is why these countries are vying for Korean weapons that are compatible as a cheap alternative for the US weaponry.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >as a cheap alternative for the US weaponry.
              Proof? Actual contract prices, please, not SK hopium prices.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Stick to eating bats, chink. Leave the thinking to actual humans.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. butthurt shit south korean

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Enjoying your 20th lockdown this week, chinky? How do you even pay for internet these days, anyway? We all know that your banks are literally all scammers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's technically not true. It's just that Americans aren't going to be able to deliver the requested 500 HIMARS within the specified time slot, so - from my understanding - Polish MOD plans to buy around 200 HIMARS and 200+ K-239s. Which - in my opinion - makes perfect sense if you are gearing for war within the next decade.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, they're turning into 100% K-239.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No it’s 100% HIMARS

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cope more. HIMARS is a downgrade from MLRS.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No it’s just a different use of an amazing mlrs system. South Korea doesn’t have a comparable system and that’s why people are lining up to buy HIMARS and not chunmoo

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No it’s just a different use of an amazing mlrs system.
                HIMARS's main advantage is its transportability that's achieved at the cost of sacrificing its firepower and armor, which is kinda pointless for countries that don't need rapid deployment abroad. The only reason why HIMARS is such a hyped item is because it's what the Ukies have in inventory currently. Remember why the USFK, which is facing a direct fire of PLA's cruise missile, is equipped with M270, not HIMARS.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You’re cope doesn’t even make sense. It’s the same thing as the m270 it can just scoot faster. Ukraine has both m270 and HIMARS and they heavily favor the HIMARS.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It’s the same thing as the m270 it can just scoot faster.
                You just said they're not the same. Also the firepower is different by double.
                >Ukraine has both m270 and HIMARS and they heavily favor the HIMARS
                That's because HIMARS is on wheels and MLRS isn't. Remind you what the K-239 is made of?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Remind you what the K-239 is made of?
                It’s on wheels but it’s heavy and slow. It can’t go the same places a HIMARS can and certainly not as quickly. Plus GMLRS is the gold standard and those will be reserved for HIMARS customers

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It’s on wheels but it’s heavy and slow. It can’t go the same places a HIMARS can and certainly not as quickly.
                Power to ratio
                >HIMARS:56kg/hp
                >K239:61kg/hp
                Really speaks volumes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you understand what power to weight ratio is? The HIMARS weighs a lot less and goes much faster.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        well at least they're only committing to half south korean garbage, better than putting all their eggs in the south korean shit basket

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why all the butthurt, fagget?
          How new are you that you dont know about SK militech?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is it legal for civilians to buy them? I wouldn't mind having a custom painted HIMAR, for self-defense and hunting of course.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      isn't there a problem with wild hogs in the US, i'm sure it would be useful with a HIMARS for that

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's sort of weird to me that HIMARs is so successful, consider that a GBU-53 bomb has equal range to a himars missile, probably carries a larger warhead, but is a fraction of the cost.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-53/B_StormBreaker

    So shouldn't bombs be much more common? Or are aircraft too easy to shoot down, and what does this say about modern warfare if aircraft can't be used to the full extent that they were in the gulf war / iraq war.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Being air-launched is problematic if you do not reliably have an air superiority. And realistically only USA can say that they would reliably have an air superiority in any near-peer conflict.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      HIMARS sticks out in this situation because its the primary problem solver. If you're in a modern, mid-tier western military you basically have a checklist of support solutions-
      >Artillery
      >Guided missile
      >CAS
      >Organic assets in your regiment

      So for Ukraine, they're leaning on essentially the guided missile option as the HIMARS (I think) aren't part of their organic regiment's fire support and more under some strategic services. Normally you'd probably have some tacked onto your battle group and your general staff would go, yeah can't give you arty but I can get someone to do CAS on that area, or if there's no air available they might go. Its only 20k's away, I'll get you onto arty and they'll blow it up for you.
      Mostly for Ukraine, a lot of the air space is contested and they're low on planes, so bombing something might not be an option, they need a heavier hit on a structure or hardened target and the HIMARS fits that role 'good enough'. That's sort of why most places don't necessarily have 100's of them, but they have enough and it just all clicks into an ABCD option list as required

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It says you need a competent sead program, precision munitions, and the ability to replace at least some losses.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >consider that a GBU-53 bomb has equal range to a himars missile, probably carries a larger warhead, but is a fraction of the cost.
      But those are air-DROPPED glide bombs. You take them up to altitude, release them, and they drift toward the target.

      They don't waste 80% of their mass on propellant, so, yeah, they can devote that to more explosives.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why haven't we given Ukraine all the M270s that are just sitting out in the desert doing fuck all? Like seriously if we're buying more HIMARS anyway (as we should) why the fuck are we still holding onto these things?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      we gave some, one was spotted in the Balakliya Blitz

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The US didn't, we gave M142s. The Bongs gave a half dozen of their M270s so that's probably what you saw. My point though is that if we're buying moe M142s anyway then we really don't need all these 270s clogging up the boneyard. Just dump a few dozen on Ukraine and tell em to have fun.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          idk, if I were to guess it may be that they prefer the wheeled M142 to the tracked M270.
          Seeing as the main use of HIMARS so far is shoot and scoot it would makes sense that they want the faster system.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bro Ukraine is thrilled to get anything that's good at killing Russians and M270 kills Russia just fine. If you want to give them more M142s too then by all means but there's no reason not to drop some of the M270 surplus in their laps too.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I have a feeling that, because of the stark transition from Pact to NATO equipment, part of the slowness to equipment being transferred is that Ukraine isn't just taking everything, they're putting things through procurement. Of course they're using stuff when the can get away with it- I bet their trials of HIMARS and PzH2k have been very successful and they'll keep using them, but I have the feeling that they're taking notes on stuff like it and the artillery pieces before they start asking for arsenals worth of it, and taking a long time with tanks to figure out what they specifically want a battalion or two of.

              Its great to dump all these weapons on them, but post war they're going to reorganize and standardize, and whatever they end up not wanting has to go somewhere, and it will go there at a cost. They're already probably going to get rid of a good amount of reconditioned soviet junk.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      M270 cost much, much more to maintain being tracked vehicles, they are slower, they use much more fuel, in dry weather the tracks have no advantage and it mud even tracked vehicles get bogged down in Ukraine.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The thread may be too far gone for this, but probably better to ask here than make my own thread. I work next to a Raytheon facility, I'm not sure exactly what they do there, but my question is this: Can someone explain a start to finish process of the construction and transportation of missiles? Shit like Hellfires, NLAWs, Javelins, TOWs, they all get built in civilian operated plants, no? Where do they get the explosives? What kind of requirements are there to do that job? How are the missilies transported from the factories to military warehouses? I basically want the intro scene from to Lord of War but with missiles explained to me

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Can someone explain a start to finish process of the construction and transportation of missiles?
      Yes
      Will I?
      No. Fuck no. I will say this the weapons in Ukraine are manufactured the last place on earth someone like you would expect and probably no where near you at all.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I should have clarified, maybe not explain it to me yourself, but a link would be cool.
        >probably no where near you at all.
        I'm sure this is true, but it's nice to imagine weapons of war are being built next to a home depot and a chicken express lol

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lol, that guy is absolutely wrong, they are just like normal manufacturing plants but with actual security and more cameras.
          Worked at an assembly plant when I was in college since It paid better than the other places.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I assure you that whereever you worked it is NOT where the weapons in Ukraine were manufactured. I gave that away for free however if there was even a grain of truth in what you are stating then you are fully aware of the NDA you signed and what talking about those factories can imply for your future and if I for one detect even the likelihood of you disclosing anything true and useful to the enemies of western civilisation I will personally take it on myself to tear your asshole open so wide that a small missile factory can be installed in your rectum

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              LOL
              Sure Security Clearance is Required and NDAs Are required for what is actual manufactured and such, But it's not classified these arsenals employee literally thousands of people.
              I literally have Missile Assembly Technician on my resume.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I literally have Missile Assembly Technician on my resume
                I've been a mechanic/automotive technician at a dealership for 14 years, how do I be that? Last I looked at their job offerings every single role was some kind of engineer

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What state are you in I can see if I can find something for you.
                Though getting security clearance is a pain in the ass but def possible as long as you have no record.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                TX. No record, won't pass a hair test though

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Unfortunately you probably won't get hired if you can't pass a drug test, but worst they can say is no if you apply.
                Looks Like you may be able to get this, https://www.lockheedmartinjobs.com/job/grand-prairie/electronics-technician-b-cable-and-harness-assembly-grand-prairie-tx/694/27180893840
                Though options are pretty slim in texas so this is not a weapons assembler , But at least your foot would be in the door and could see if you can find a weapons job later on.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's what I figured, but this is mostly just a recent thing. Still looking that job description over gives me hope that there's jobs out there where mechanic skills/knowledge could apply, that's my goal

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You have to be over 18 to post here ESL

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I work next to a Raytheon facility
      We might be in the same town.
      >start to finish process of the construction and transport
      motor casing gets made, propellant gets mixed, propellant gets poured in with a mold so it has the geometry the number crunchers came up with for whatever the mandated performance characteristics are. Motor gets packaged into a wood crate and shipped. The rest of the missile I can't offer any insight on, as I don't work on that part.
      >civilian operated plants
      Correct
      >Where do they get the explosives
      They have a FEL. Its like an FFL, but for explosives.
      >requirements for the job
      That varies depending on if you are going into engineering, manufacturing, or an engineering technician. I got my job with a BS in engineering.

      Overall the manufacture of missiles is a huge multistep process with so many companies being a part of it your head will spin. One company will make the avianics, on company will make the motor, a local machine shop might make components for both of those companies, and so on. There isn't really a step 1, 2, 3, 4,... x, y, z.
      As far as where they are made, you can find it with a google search. There was a politico article about the town just a couple of days ago.

      Lol, that guy is absolutely wrong, they are just like normal manufacturing plants but with actual security and more cameras.
      Worked at an assembly plant when I was in college since It paid better than the other places.

      This dude is 100% correct, its honestly just a normal job for the most part.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Even though ATG attacks might be superior it seems systems like HIMARS are more cost-effective on a larger scale. Is that about right, or is it something else?

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can you guys start putting Ukraine in these OPs so my filters work? Thanks

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they will fucking do anything but to upgrade the m270

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should make a new heavy helicopter class as MLRS platform. HIMARS can't cross difficult terrain and M270 is slow. Chinook CH-47F is already capable of carrying 24k lbs payloads @ 4k feet.
    It would be in and out even quicker.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If Russia does not end up collapsing after this shit, how likely do you think is that they will put all their efforts for building either a counter or homemade version of HIMARS?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't they parade a comparison chart where the HIMARS got btfo in pretty much all aspects by the Russian conterpart? I remember it claimed that HIMARS had 400m accuracy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        HIMARS had less wheels and weight as well

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing is better than watching South Korea shill seethe about the HIMARS. It’s a system that totally outclasses the SK version and the world sees it. Imagine how bad he feels seeing HIMARS orders rolling in

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's no seethe as there's nothing to seethe about. Literally the Poles are hellbent on introducing it and it's covered all over by Polish media.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Polish media is talking about the HIMARS order.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, but they've been covering about turning to the license production of K-239 now since the US is not responding to the request.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They were talking about the HIMARS purchase yesterday on polish news

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes they were but no official responds from the American side yet.

              Do you understand what power to weight ratio is? The HIMARS weighs a lot less and goes much faster.

              Yes, I know. It's literally the overall weight divided by the power of the engine. You can look it up right now, so stop being in denial.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes they were but no official responds from the American side yet.
                Is this the cope? kek SK will never become a big military arms player

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How do you know there hasn’t been an official American response? Provide sources or be disregarded

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pretty much everything outclasses anything from south korea, south korean is worthless shit barely above chinese

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I did not invade her, it’s not true! It’s bullshit! I did not invade her! I did not!
    >Oh hi Mars

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OOK OOK I'Z GONNA NOOKZ

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here’s a thread making fun of chunmoo. I need the SK shill to join so we can laugh harder

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  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Teat

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