>Pierces flesh at 800 to 1,000 yards
>Can be equipped with scope and extended mag
Do moist nuggets have a place on the modern battlefield?
In the hands of a skilled user?
In the third world?
In the first world?
>Pierces flesh at 800 to 1,000 yards. >Can be equipped with scope and extended mag
its better than nothing
It's better than 5.56 at a long enough distance, could have suppressor as well.
It's equivalent to standard issue .308 and 7.62x51 bolt actions for LRS.
But just as a deer rifle, it's a fine rifle really.
It's a very pretty rifle as well.
The problem is that at the ranges 7.62x54r has meaningful benefits over something like mk 262 5.56, the accuracy of most Mosins wont be able to take advantage of it.
Assuming you're from the first world, ammo quality and availability is also pretty shit for 7.62x54r (at least in the US). Something like a Tikka/Sauer/Howa in .308/6.5 has much more capability due to the platform itself and the ammunition options available.
In the third world, it begins to make more sense as the difference between a Mosin and a Tikka is no longer just saving for a couple extra weeks, it might be all you have available to you, and there's likely Russian/Soviet ammo all over.
>It's better than 5.56 at a long enough distance
And worse for 99% of what you need.
It's a gun, it'll kill, and in a niche role where it's cons don't apply it will serve adequately.
it's best role is a surplus handout for militias, just like Russia and Ukraine are doing. The round will fuck you up, the real bottleneck is how mounting modern optics isn't really viable. Hence all the modern 7.62x54r snipers
Nah the Soviets used these babies for long range shooting in war, and you can just attach a rail or get an old moist nugget scope.
But semi auto is a serious advantage, or even full auto for .308/7.62x51 NATO and over battle rifle calibers. Burst fire can make for accurate groups and improve lethality.
Yeah, and bending/replacing the bolt handle so it can function with said scope. It's not really super simple to do to get a single nugget working with a modern optic, but since the process would be the same across all nuggets you could get a factory type setting to just convert a large quantity and it could be worthwhile.
You can mount the scopes further up, but yeah these rear mounted scopes would require you to modify or replace the bolt. If by factory you mean like one dude or a handful of dudes replacing bolts, it would not take long at all. But you can always mount a scope further up the gun.
This is a mount made by Finns, the legendary snipers, and it appears to have the standard bolt. The sniper bolt is a little luxury.
That wood is sexy
I get that a lot, but thanks
you can also mount a scope directly to the rear sight dovetail, but getting the sight off can be a bit of work
It always baffled me why there are no offset scope mounts for mosin, they could be drilled and taped like all PU scopes, but it would fix all problems, even tho zeroing offset scope is kinda bitch. Sell it as bundle with cheek riser
There are reproductions of the PU and PEM mounts available for far less than originals, and they're better quality. Or just use an AK or SVD style side rail.
I wasnt probably clear, i meant side offset like M1C and D l, with it you wouldnt have to change bolt handle, you could use stripper clips without having to use lone eye relief scope.
If the people you're giving it to are most often going to be ordering around unarmed civilians, then it's more than sufficient, and it would be stupid to waste if they're in storage somewhere and could be put to better use. As a small part of an arsenal at a unit's disposal, one that has access to a variety of weapons, it can likewise play a worthwhile part, especially if the ammo is plentiful like x54r is in large swathes of the world. But if your entire infantry group is outfitted solely with nuggets in 2023, and you're putting them up against people with or AR/AKs you're gonna have a bad time.
A proper Mosin of respectable quality can throw a rifle bullet accurately to a long range. That's as usable now as in 1891. However by now you can trivially get something better, so the Mosin is only viable and usable if for one reason or another you have no access to better firearms.
arent skeletonized rifles trending now.
the Remington Model 700 though is still going on and they skeletonized it too.
still i would hate to have wood on my gun that would warp age scratch and shit, its either polymer or bones these days.
no it would not have a place on a modern battlefield, unless you put a polymer stock on it but then at the expense of the kits for it you can just buy spanking new modern proper sniper rifles and instead invest in sights for infantry bog standard assault rifles or they buy one themselves if you cant, picatinny just works with anything on everything, modify it reconfigure it, take it off all with one wrench, it just fucking works.
Ironically, the mosin and the russian maxim are the MOST relevant guns from that era, since their cartridge is still the main full rifle round for russia and most former USSR states. You can issue them feed them out of your standard supply lines, which isn't true of any other weapons from the 1890-1910 that I'm aware of. The maxim can even use modern belts, since the countries still use a rimmed cartridge so push-trough was never an option.
>The 7.62 TKIV 85, short for 7.62 Tarkkuuskivääri 85 (7.62 sniper rifle 85) is a sniper rifle used by the Finnish Defence Forces.
>It is based on the Mosin–Nagant rifle, using the same (in some cases antique) receivers. The Finnish Army has produced such rifles since the nation was founded.
>The Mosin–Nagant bolt-action rifles were modified in 1984 by Valmet who also manufactured new barrels for these rifles. The rifles were assembled in 1984–1985 by Finnish Defence Forces (FDF) Asevarikko 1 ("Arsenal 1") in Kuopio, Finland.
>Though the 7.62 TKIV 85 sniper rifle has been modified extensively compared to the standard Mosin–Nagant rifle, the use of the old receivers in these rifles makes them arguably the oldest small arms in current use by any military. Some of the parts used may date back as far as the 1890s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_Tkiv_85
Nuggets are fine in the sense that they go bang, but they leave a lot to be desired even for a bolt gun
>action sucks
>safety sucks
>not modifiable by the end user in any meaningful way
>heavy
>inaccurate for a rifle of its length and weight
>wood
Bolt is prone to losing parts during cleaning and disassembly
They're fine for fun at the range but you should expect to get smoked if you're doing any serious combat with a Mosin these days.
No because a Savage Axis can literally do everything a Mosin can but better and for just as cheap. I'm sure most of the ex combloc keeps a few million of Mosins laying around, but they're not the best at anything other than already existing in inventories. Any 3rd world nation looking to source rifles can get semis at near as cheap as sourcing Mosins.
Try getting API in .308 or any of the other common deer cartridges. Got some for my nugget, haven’t found what it can’t pierce yet. So far it has gone through an inch of mild steel just fine. Also went right through the level 3 plate, both front and back. It’s a Hispanicy Russian meatball.
for the amount of money and effort you'd expend accurizing a Mosin, you could get maybe 3-4 Ruger American rifles, with a slight performance edge to the Ruger.
Back when you could arm your whole family, your friend's family, and your neighbor's family with Mosin rifles for under $1000, yes. Now , not so much.
>do 30 cal rifles have a place on the modern battlefield
gee i wonder
They were used in Syria and some back line soldiers are armed with them in Ukraine as well.
There isn't a nugget on the planet that's in good enough shape to hit the Great Wall Of China at 1000 yards. Let alone a moving person.