Picrel left and switchblade move at 100mph
picrel right moves at 250mph, can move on a dime and is made by hobbyists for 500 quid
>the main advantage of these things is that you need a 4 million dollar SAM to shoot it down
why cant they make a counter suicide drone that carries an extra 50g of explosives that slams into the side of a slow moving suicide drone? not to mention these things can go from 0 - 100 in 2 seconds
an ideal situation is that tanks and fortifications could have 5 - 10 of these things at the back to quickly intercept an incoming drone
You could probably use some kind of basic visual spectrum imager and a targeting algorithm for terminal guidance.
Cheap epoxy windshield.
Targeting at night time would be more expensive though, albeit not prohibitively expensive; you would need a 'good enough' night vision camera with the range to see the target.
Why not? it's a damn good idea.
You can operate them from the bed of civilian pickup trucks.
>can be operated from the bed of civilian pickup trucks
the flashbacks
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tfw daath insaat was revolutionary
we didnt listen...
>unmanned (semi-autonomous?) air-droppable camouflaged ATGM UGVs
Kinda sick actually, I could see an argument. The next evolution of the off-route antitank mine.
While Dahir Insaat's specific weapon designs have always been laughably bad, the core idea of using UGVs, landmines with fisheye lenses, and top attack missiles was pretty on point. Of course the US MIC figured that out years before him and have working weapons in the field, but still good ideas with poor execution.
Only thing I would say is that cheap and simple gun based AA is already pretty good against these shaheed drones:
23mm, 20mm oerlikon .50 cal 14.5mm 40mm Bofors ect.
The main challenge is having them be there to defend wherever the drones are attacking, early warning is important.
Why bother giving each countermeasure terminal optical guidance? It's not like you're worried about the Shahed maneuvering. Cheap out, integrate the optical guidance into the launcher, and have the launcher program an inertial guidance unit located in the countermeasure. That'd be even cheaper.
What if, what if we go even cheaper, and reduce the countermeasure to a simple steel shell, proximity fuse, and some HE, and then fire it out of a gun?
And have to deal with the associated weight and stress of the gun? Why? The whole point is cheap, small, and you can slap them on everything with minimal burden instead of having to juggle AA assets.
Which is why every APC / ifv will be draco
They are already working on extremely cheap anti drone solutions. Like guided rockets with proximity fuses. Or airburst munitions.
>250 mph
Are you sure about that? those simple propellers optimized for low speed and brushless motors shouldn't be able have thrust at that speed. Am I missing something?
That aside, probably because this was the first war with real drone/decoy spam done by a no-NATO country.
A high altitude (+5km) shahed/V1 would be really dangerous and gepards/MG can't countered them, there's a huge gap in AA weapons nowadays similar to the early jet/SRBM era.
here is video source
all the components together cost $400 and $120 for the first person goggles
true but a high altitude shashed would still have to come down from high altitude for the kill, allowing a smaller and more manoeuvrable drone to try and connect to it
other alternatives could be autonomous guns , but these are shorter range and may not be able to critically damage it quick enough, unlike a small (50 -100g) explosive
Now add explosive weight and fuel for the range and get back to us anon.
It's all well and good but if it doesn't have any range or explosives attached what's the point.
your only adding 20% more weight and it can move a kilometre in 10 seconds and we have videos of it flying for 2 minutes
that's also why I pointed out hobbyist, imagine what a team of engineers could build with an actual budget and not made out of store parts
good point but an actual SHORAD with missiles is very expensive , and then you need to have a very precise 20m on your tank purely for drone shooting, instead of 5 little counter drones on the back
> and then you need to have a very precise 20m on your tank purely for drone shooting, instead of 5 little counter drones on the back
There's nothing stopping you from strapping a stinger (equivalent since it's practically defunct) launcher on a tank and some reloads. Would be more versatile and less bulky.
Since the purpose is anti drone though and you can't predict the target easily the best thing to do would simply have a standard remote turret that can be programmed to recognize and eliminate drone threats and adapted to any vehicle.
good point but a single stinger could buy you many more drones , for the sake of the argument lets say a military version slightly cheaper than the switchblade drone at $5000, now you can have 4 tanks with 6 drones instead of 1 tank with 1 stinger
the main point is this is a cheap way to take down drone strikes without having to use expensive anti aircraft and anti missile missiles, if your position has a million dollar missile for other missiles and $5000 drones for other drones, you can use the cheap option and save the million dollar missile for other targets
I see, +50000 rpms, that would explain that speed.
It would be interesting because they're cheap and the it's easy with the electronics/camera.
>allowing a smaller and more manoeuvrable drone to try and connect to it
Still far harder to intercept.
>an ideal situation is that tanks and fortifications could have 5 - 10 of these things at the back
who's gonna make em? russia? don't be ridiculous.
Problem is that drones are extremely small. Spotting one, is not easy at all. You can hear it hovering right above you, and you will not be able to see it.
>shaheed
not even a drone. just a GPS guided missile with a lawnmower motor instead of a rocket motor. its advantage is that it's cheap and long distance
>picrel right moves at 250mph, can move on a dime and is made by hobbyists for 500 quid
stop being bri*ish
>why cant they make a counter suicide drone that carries an extra 50g of explosives that slams into the side of a slow moving suicide drone? not to mention these things can go from 0 - 100 in 2 seconds
what you're talking about is functionally not much different than existing SHORAD you just want a drone instead of a small missile or shell. the obvious reason why not is that target acquisition and terminal guidance is most of the problem, not the vehicle you do it with. second this is by far slower than those so you just have SHORAD that sucks against anything that DOESN'T go 100mph
Because 35mm ABM is cheaper.
how do you counter this?
>why cant they make a counter suicide drone that carries an extra 50g of explosives that slams into the side of a slow moving suicide drone?
because if you add a guidance system required to detect, track and reliably hit a shahed-sized drone in all weather conditions day and night, you will end up with a 1 million dollar SAM that can't intercept planes
>500 quid
Am I supposed to know what that is?
You mean like this?
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lmao wtf yeah this is exactly what I was thinking of with just a faster responding time and explosive
even used the same rotor setup
neat
>suicide drone
so a missile
>counter suicide drone
missile again
What exactly is the line between a cruise missile and a suicide drone?
How many sandshits it kills
macross missile massacre and lasers to counter it are the foooochur
Cruise missile
>flies to a fixed target by GPS or inertial waypoints and goes boon
Loitering munition
>flies around under it's own power until it identifies a target, then goes boom (requires sensors on the drone)
Shashneed is a really terrible propeller powered cruise missile. It has no sensors, it has no operator feedback, it is a sick mockery of loitering munitions. Historians will find it's remains and classify it alongside the V1 as "buzz bombs".
missiles are bigger, faster and longer ranged.
>mph
>pomph
this one is over 300mph
the supports for speed drone on the right should be 3d printed in the shape of a pentagram to scare the mobiks when it screams towards their faces.
>0 - 100 in 2 seconds
about that
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