Picrel left and switchblade move at 100mph

Picrel left and switchblade move at 100mph
picrel right moves at 250mph, can move on a dime and is made by hobbyists for 500 quid

>the main advantage of these things is that you need a 4 million dollar SAM to shoot it down

why cant they make a counter suicide drone that carries an extra 50g of explosives that slams into the side of a slow moving suicide drone? not to mention these things can go from 0 - 100 in 2 seconds

an ideal situation is that tanks and fortifications could have 5 - 10 of these things at the back to quickly intercept an incoming drone

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You could probably use some kind of basic visual spectrum imager and a targeting algorithm for terminal guidance.
    Cheap epoxy windshield.
    Targeting at night time would be more expensive though, albeit not prohibitively expensive; you would need a 'good enough' night vision camera with the range to see the target.
    Why not? it's a damn good idea.

    You can operate them from the bed of civilian pickup trucks.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >can be operated from the bed of civilian pickup trucks

      the flashbacks

      ?t=13

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        tfw daath insaat was revolutionary

        we didnt listen...

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >unmanned (semi-autonomous?) air-droppable camouflaged ATGM UGVs
        Kinda sick actually, I could see an argument. The next evolution of the off-route antitank mine.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        While Dahir Insaat's specific weapon designs have always been laughably bad, the core idea of using UGVs, landmines with fisheye lenses, and top attack missiles was pretty on point. Of course the US MIC figured that out years before him and have working weapons in the field, but still good ideas with poor execution.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only thing I would say is that cheap and simple gun based AA is already pretty good against these shaheed drones:
      23mm, 20mm oerlikon .50 cal 14.5mm 40mm Bofors ect.

      The main challenge is having them be there to defend wherever the drones are attacking, early warning is important.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why bother giving each countermeasure terminal optical guidance? It's not like you're worried about the Shahed maneuvering. Cheap out, integrate the optical guidance into the launcher, and have the launcher program an inertial guidance unit located in the countermeasure. That'd be even cheaper.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        What if, what if we go even cheaper, and reduce the countermeasure to a simple steel shell, proximity fuse, and some HE, and then fire it out of a gun?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          And have to deal with the associated weight and stress of the gun? Why? The whole point is cheap, small, and you can slap them on everything with minimal burden instead of having to juggle AA assets.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Which is why every APC / ifv will be draco

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They are already working on extremely cheap anti drone solutions. Like guided rockets with proximity fuses. Or airburst munitions.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >250 mph
    Are you sure about that? those simple propellers optimized for low speed and brushless motors shouldn't be able have thrust at that speed. Am I missing something?

    That aside, probably because this was the first war with real drone/decoy spam done by a no-NATO country.
    A high altitude (+5km) shahed/V1 would be really dangerous and gepards/MG can't countered them, there's a huge gap in AA weapons nowadays similar to the early jet/SRBM era.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      here is video source
      all the components together cost $400 and $120 for the first person goggles

      true but a high altitude shashed would still have to come down from high altitude for the kill, allowing a smaller and more manoeuvrable drone to try and connect to it

      other alternatives could be autonomous guns , but these are shorter range and may not be able to critically damage it quick enough, unlike a small (50 -100g) explosive

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Now add explosive weight and fuel for the range and get back to us anon.
        It's all well and good but if it doesn't have any range or explosives attached what's the point.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          your only adding 20% more weight and it can move a kilometre in 10 seconds and we have videos of it flying for 2 minutes
          that's also why I pointed out hobbyist, imagine what a team of engineers could build with an actual budget and not made out of store parts

          >shaheed
          not even a drone. just a GPS guided missile with a lawnmower motor instead of a rocket motor. its advantage is that it's cheap and long distance
          >picrel right moves at 250mph, can move on a dime and is made by hobbyists for 500 quid
          stop being bri*ish
          >why cant they make a counter suicide drone that carries an extra 50g of explosives that slams into the side of a slow moving suicide drone? not to mention these things can go from 0 - 100 in 2 seconds
          what you're talking about is functionally not much different than existing SHORAD you just want a drone instead of a small missile or shell. the obvious reason why not is that target acquisition and terminal guidance is most of the problem, not the vehicle you do it with. second this is by far slower than those so you just have SHORAD that sucks against anything that DOESN'T go 100mph

          https://i.imgur.com/QUgfiOq.jpg

          What if, what if we go even cheaper, and reduce the countermeasure to a simple steel shell, proximity fuse, and some HE, and then fire it out of a gun?

          good point but an actual SHORAD with missiles is very expensive , and then you need to have a very precise 20m on your tank purely for drone shooting, instead of 5 little counter drones on the back

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            > and then you need to have a very precise 20m on your tank purely for drone shooting, instead of 5 little counter drones on the back
            There's nothing stopping you from strapping a stinger (equivalent since it's practically defunct) launcher on a tank and some reloads. Would be more versatile and less bulky.

            Since the purpose is anti drone though and you can't predict the target easily the best thing to do would simply have a standard remote turret that can be programmed to recognize and eliminate drone threats and adapted to any vehicle.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              good point but a single stinger could buy you many more drones , for the sake of the argument lets say a military version slightly cheaper than the switchblade drone at $5000, now you can have 4 tanks with 6 drones instead of 1 tank with 1 stinger

              the main point is this is a cheap way to take down drone strikes without having to use expensive anti aircraft and anti missile missiles, if your position has a million dollar missile for other missiles and $5000 drones for other drones, you can use the cheap option and save the million dollar missile for other targets

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I see, +50000 rpms, that would explain that speed.
        It would be interesting because they're cheap and the it's easy with the electronics/camera.

        >allowing a smaller and more manoeuvrable drone to try and connect to it
        Still far harder to intercept.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >an ideal situation is that tanks and fortifications could have 5 - 10 of these things at the back
    who's gonna make em? russia? don't be ridiculous.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Problem is that drones are extremely small. Spotting one, is not easy at all. You can hear it hovering right above you, and you will not be able to see it.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >shaheed
    not even a drone. just a GPS guided missile with a lawnmower motor instead of a rocket motor. its advantage is that it's cheap and long distance
    >picrel right moves at 250mph, can move on a dime and is made by hobbyists for 500 quid
    stop being bri*ish
    >why cant they make a counter suicide drone that carries an extra 50g of explosives that slams into the side of a slow moving suicide drone? not to mention these things can go from 0 - 100 in 2 seconds
    what you're talking about is functionally not much different than existing SHORAD you just want a drone instead of a small missile or shell. the obvious reason why not is that target acquisition and terminal guidance is most of the problem, not the vehicle you do it with. second this is by far slower than those so you just have SHORAD that sucks against anything that DOESN'T go 100mph

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because 35mm ABM is cheaper.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    how do you counter this?

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >why cant they make a counter suicide drone that carries an extra 50g of explosives that slams into the side of a slow moving suicide drone?
    because if you add a guidance system required to detect, track and reliably hit a shahed-sized drone in all weather conditions day and night, you will end up with a 1 million dollar SAM that can't intercept planes

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >500 quid
    Am I supposed to know what that is?

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    You mean like this?

    %3D%3D

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      lmao wtf yeah this is exactly what I was thinking of with just a faster responding time and explosive
      even used the same rotor setup
      neat

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >suicide drone
    so a missile
    >counter suicide drone
    missile again

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What exactly is the line between a cruise missile and a suicide drone?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      How many sandshits it kills

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      macross missile massacre and lasers to counter it are the foooochur

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cruise missile
      >flies to a fixed target by GPS or inertial waypoints and goes boon
      Loitering munition
      >flies around under it's own power until it identifies a target, then goes boom (requires sensors on the drone)

      Shashneed is a really terrible propeller powered cruise missile. It has no sensors, it has no operator feedback, it is a sick mockery of loitering munitions. Historians will find it's remains and classify it alongside the V1 as "buzz bombs".

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      missiles are bigger, faster and longer ranged.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >mph

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >pomph

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    this one is over 300mph

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    the supports for speed drone on the right should be 3d printed in the shape of a pentagram to scare the mobiks when it screams towards their faces.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >0 - 100 in 2 seconds
    about that

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

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