I've read a similar thing, that the way a retiarius fought was seen as cowardly because he relied more on keeping his distance and inflicting small wounds to bleed out the opponent
He was also bare chested and bare faced which made him a more friendly face in the Arena and they were usually the heart throbs of the Roman women who frequented the fights. Retiarus were always pitted in fights where they were at a disadvantage making them more heroic too
One handed spear and shield is difficult to use well against sword and shield, it is much easier to lose control of a spear than it is a sword, especially a short one like these. Two handed spears and especially polearms are a different story.
Patrician. I will be out in the stands, eating grapes, watching you fight, throwing back some wine and opium and getting amped up for the orgy tonight. By boy Vespasian has 30 different qt 3.14 slaves coming over, Persians, Illyrian, Egyptians, Gauls, Germans, and some from here in Rome; enough for us each to have two or three, plus we can switch off.
Disgusting. You fricking Patricians haven't actually took part in the defense of Rome since we defeated Carthage. All you do is suck up all the money and spend it on degeneracy: drink, gambling, actors, women, and Greek boys.
I hope you die next time the Plebians riot, which should be any day now since I heard the grain shipment for the dole sank.
T. Equestrian and Tribune in Legio XII, the Thunderbolt Twelve, striking like Jupiter!
HEHE YERP, PATRICIANS THESE DAYS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING LOL!!
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BILLIUS "MAD HOVND" HITCHwienerUS
VELITES '21 - '19
I CARRY A PILUM BECAUSE THEY DONT MAKE A PILLUM
JESUS "MUHAMMAD" CHRIST
They didn't invent it, it was already a thing for a while there, the revolt that passage refers to just talks about some gladiators taking up arms in the fashion that was traditional to gladiators in that province, that might mean it was armor invented in Gaul or that gauls had picked it up for their games.
Nobody actually knows when Lorica Segmentata style armors first appeared but it was already around by the mid first century BC
The reason is that secutors mostly fought against retiarii (fish vs fisherman matchup, Romans loved this kind of stuff)
The retiarius is mostly unarmored but armed with a better weapon, so he's a bit of a glass cannon. The point is that a secutor has to take risks and try to get up close to finish the fight quickly, otherwise he'll get gassed and overheated, meanwhile retiarius tries to evade, tangle his opponent up in his net and inflict small wounds with the trident to win by attrition
as bad as a heavy helmet designed to limit vision is hoplomachus still probably meta, gets a shield and spear so retarius can't harass as well and smaller shield means doesn't wear down as quickly even has leg protection
roman gladiators are weird though you read about some having features designed to counter other types and have to wonder how much metagaming was going on
>have to wonder how much metagaming was going on
Gladiator games are for entertainment not raw combative skill with optimal equipment. The matchups are meant to be interesting.
The two boomers sitting in front of Brad and his bimbo there were my football coaches in high school. Every time is see this meme I get a chuckle because there is a 100% chance the guy with the goatee turned around at some point and engaged the couple in conversation so he could get an eye full of that blonde’s bolt ons.
Retarius was a high risk, high reward class. A really good retarius destroyed a murmillo, but an average to bad retarius jobs against a rookie murmillo all the time.
Gladiator fights in Hollywood: >wanton slaughter with little regard for human life or the costly gladiator training. >every gladiator is a poor slave that just happens to be there.
Real Gladiator fights: >a set of complicated funeral fights by trained professionals that love their jobs. >different classes of Gladiators with different equipment were matched against each other and a referee made sure that fights were fair. >killing a gladiator was extraordinarily expensive. So you mostly had show deaths of criminals or jobbers that were there to be killed by animals or special gladiators. >another popular myth is the rape of slave girls by animals, but there is no source to prove that claim. The earliest sources are english fapfictions from the 18th century.
If you're not a Murmillon, are you even really a gladiator? You're like the punter on a football team. You might be on the winning team, but you didn't win the game.
>you now remember that one Lindybeige video where he claimed Gladiators were basically pro wrestlers of their day
The man is the greatest shitposter of all time.
Well yeah basically, a gladiator fight was a show where they hopped around and fought to inflict cosmetic wounds on their opponent and win through exhaustion once they thought the crowd was happy. They had referees in the ring, and if you look at their armour it reflects it - protect head and neck, as well as 'fighting arm,' have a shield you can smack around, and leave your torso exposed so you can take lots of nasty looking scratches. Fights to the death were rare but even more hyped.
Thraex or nothing, Retiarii were the most despised class of gladiator and were viewed as effeminate due to their lack of armour
>Effeminate due to their lack of armor
Really?
No
>most despised class of gladiator
probably because they're the only ones out of OP's pic that can actually see anything
Literally the opposite was true, imagine making shit up like this thinking no one can just look it up
I've read a similar thing, that the way a retiarius fought was seen as cowardly because he relied more on keeping his distance and inflicting small wounds to bleed out the opponent
He was also bare chested and bare faced which made him a more friendly face in the Arena and they were usually the heart throbs of the Roman women who frequented the fights. Retiarus were always pitted in fights where they were at a disadvantage making them more heroic too
Dipshit detected, Retarius were the most popular, as everyone could see their face.
spectator
More like moronius.
hoplomachus
spear>everything else
swordgays need not reply
also >a fricking net
Spears get fricking mogged by nets
>can't greentext
reddit's that way, Black person
Back to plebbit you go, homosexual.
One handed spear and shield is difficult to use well against sword and shield, it is much easier to lose control of a spear than it is a sword, especially a short one like these. Two handed spears and especially polearms are a different story.
Myrmillo, precisely so I can dab on effete, womanly retiarii like OP.
Provocator, and everytime I close I say something nasty about the mum of my contrary.
PARMVLARII is the best
90% of /k/ would only qualify for noxii
Mvrmillo
I prefer to be last so that I can learn from others' mistakes.
Patrician. I will be out in the stands, eating grapes, watching you fight, throwing back some wine and opium and getting amped up for the orgy tonight. By boy Vespasian has 30 different qt 3.14 slaves coming over, Persians, Illyrian, Egyptians, Gauls, Germans, and some from here in Rome; enough for us each to have two or three, plus we can switch off.
Disgusting. You fricking Patricians haven't actually took part in the defense of Rome since we defeated Carthage. All you do is suck up all the money and spend it on degeneracy: drink, gambling, actors, women, and Greek boys.
I hope you die next time the Plebians riot, which should be any day now since I heard the grain shipment for the dole sank.
T. Equestrian and Tribune in Legio XII, the Thunderbolt Twelve, striking like Jupiter!
HEHE YERP, PATRICIANS THESE DAYS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING LOL!!
---------------------------
BILLIUS "MAD HOVND" HITCHwienerUS
VELITES '21 - '19
I CARRY A PILUM BECAUSE THEY DONT MAKE A PILLUM
JESUS "MUHAMMAD" CHRIST
>MAD HOVND
I hear some of them will even be female this time.
Yep you certainly are moronius.
Hoplomachus
Also are there any real loadout differences between the various scutarii?
Person with the biggest pointy stick always wins 1v1. So I'll go with the Hoplomachus
Murmillo, secutor and provocator are exactly the same, just with different helmets!?!? Are Romans fricking with us?
Myrmillo is the Ryu of the roster, with Secutor as the Ken.
>Myrmillo is the Ryu of the roster, with Secutor as the Ken.
kek
Where is the Crupellarius?
To follow up this anon, it's a couple of Glads you can add to your pic, OP.
This is the tanky Crupellarius.
And the cutty Scissor.
>fredericus krugerus origin story
The Gauls invented this load out when the rebelled against the empire. They where rocking great helms before it was cool.
They also invented chain mail, at least in that side of the world. Crafty people.
They didn't invent it, it was already a thing for a while there, the revolt that passage refers to just talks about some gladiators taking up arms in the fashion that was traditional to gladiators in that province, that might mean it was armor invented in Gaul or that gauls had picked it up for their games.
Nobody actually knows when Lorica Segmentata style armors first appeared but it was already around by the mid first century BC
Is he okay?
The guy's fine, that's just a dummy. You can see the real gladiator in the shadows behind the dummy propping it up.
No, died of indigestion.
For me it's the caestus
Hoplomachus if I learn how to use the spear.
The Secutor because is a less moronic Murmillo.
the secutor is wearing the handicap helmet with no air holes
it is the moron gladiator
Commodus was a secutor iirc
The reason is that secutors mostly fought against retiarii (fish vs fisherman matchup, Romans loved this kind of stuff)
The retiarius is mostly unarmored but armed with a better weapon, so he's a bit of a glass cannon. The point is that a secutor has to take risks and try to get up close to finish the fight quickly, otherwise he'll get gassed and overheated, meanwhile retiarius tries to evade, tangle his opponent up in his net and inflict small wounds with the trident to win by attrition
>it is the moron gladiator
>Commodus was a secutor iirc
checks out
what kind of retiardvs shows up to a battle with a net and trident
Someone taught that man to fish and he went to war.
It was surprisingly effective in 1v1 combat. Use the net to entangle the opponent and start poking them.
as bad as a heavy helmet designed to limit vision is hoplomachus still probably meta, gets a shield and spear so retarius can't harass as well and smaller shield means doesn't wear down as quickly even has leg protection
roman gladiators are weird though you read about some having features designed to counter other types and have to wonder how much metagaming was going on
>have to wonder how much metagaming was going on
Gladiator games are for entertainment not raw combative skill with optimal equipment. The matchups are meant to be interesting.
I rememver certain matchups were ceremonial: Retarius vs Murmillo was a fisherman fighting an armored sea monster, I think.
>Roman citizen explaining deepest lore to his slave, 23AD, mosaic on bath floor
The two boomers sitting in front of Brad and his bimbo there were my football coaches in high school. Every time is see this meme I get a chuckle because there is a 100% chance the guy with the goatee turned around at some point and engaged the couple in conversation so he could get an eye full of that blonde’s bolt ons.
afaik murmillos and thraxes were often put against one another to compare the usefulness of a larger shield (murm) vs more leg armor (thrax)
Is the eqves like those frickers doing lvl 1 dark souls runs?
Usually they would get the advantage of being on a horse, bot sure how common that was down the line though.
>not going scissor for maximum offhand hookage
(you still have a gladius in your right hand)
Hoplomachus seems OP
Eqves
Hoplomachvs.
Spears are excellent weapons and I'd have a blade to fall back on if someone managed to push in past my point.
Which is the one that had the blade gloves? I want that one
Retarius was the joke class. IIRC they lost so often to Murmillo that it was expected.
Retarius was a high risk, high reward class. A really good retarius destroyed a murmillo, but an average to bad retarius jobs against a rookie murmillo all the time.
Gladiator fights in Hollywood:
>wanton slaughter with little regard for human life or the costly gladiator training.
>every gladiator is a poor slave that just happens to be there.
Real Gladiator fights:
>a set of complicated funeral fights by trained professionals that love their jobs.
>different classes of Gladiators with different equipment were matched against each other and a referee made sure that fights were fair.
>killing a gladiator was extraordinarily expensive. So you mostly had show deaths of criminals or jobbers that were there to be killed by animals or special gladiators.
>another popular myth is the rape of slave girls by animals, but there is no source to prove that claim. The earliest sources are english fapfictions from the 18th century.
Spartacus blood and sand actually presented gladiator fights pretty damn accurately
i choose the Empreor class, and pay my Praetorian Guard pretty well.
AND TODAY WE PRESENT:
A FISH (MYRMILLO)
VS
A FISHERMAN (RETIARIVS)
If you're not a Murmillon, are you even really a gladiator? You're like the punter on a football team. You might be on the winning team, but you didn't win the game.
The point of being a Gladiator is having a stupid gimmick. If you don't have a stupid gimmick you might as well not be a Gladiator, just be a soldier.
It's not that they have a gimmick, it's that they have a *stupid* gimmick
HOPLOMACHVS or MVRMILLO, everything else is gay as frick.
SECVTOR, of course
>you now remember that one Lindybeige video where he claimed Gladiators were basically pro wrestlers of their day
The man is the greatest shitposter of all time.
Well yeah basically, a gladiator fight was a show where they hopped around and fought to inflict cosmetic wounds on their opponent and win through exhaustion once they thought the crowd was happy. They had referees in the ring, and if you look at their armour it reflects it - protect head and neck, as well as 'fighting arm,' have a shield you can smack around, and leave your torso exposed so you can take lots of nasty looking scratches. Fights to the death were rare but even more hyped.