>The flood isn't real it's made up by foroglorbo to make us wear the mask! >Any floodmonster is also made by foroblorbo to kill dissidents! Why do you think only those against them get turned huh!? Yeah because they refuse to wear the mask so they inject them with their biolab zombieficator mutator virus!
1 month ago
Anonymous
Thats exactly what happened along with there being a cult for the flood too.
>the forerunners could literally bend time/space, build entire worlds and move suns and couldn't survive >he thinks some apes with exploding sticks can
Lol, lmao even.
Nuke the area within minutes of infestation. The flood are broken when it comes to how fast they spread. High charity, for example, was entirely consumed within days.
>within minutes
Seconds. If I remember correctly in the Halo 4 terminals they destroyed a planet because the flood were detected having just landed minutes prior
>and that was enough to glass half of Africa
The Elites also wanted to glass the entire planet just to make sure but the Arbiter told them not to do that. That in itself was a giant risk. I love the flood so much bros... they're so damn kino.
Within a few minutes warrants half a continent being destroyed. Halo 3 had minutes of infection and it required the shipmaster to glass half of Africa to be absolutely sure the infection was gone.
>the forerunners could literally bend time/space, build entire worlds and move suns and couldn't survive >he thinks some apes with exploding sticks can
Lol, lmao even.
[...] >within minutes
Seconds. If I remember correctly in the Halo 4 terminals they destroyed a planet because the flood were detected having just landed minutes prior
Nuke the area within minutes of infestation. The flood are broken when it comes to how fast they spread. High charity, for example, was entirely consumed within days.
If any of that is true, the flood's spread is extremely poorly written.
No flood form has locomotion fast enough to correspond with that kind of spread even if they expanded optimally and instantly infected all life on contact.
Planets are big. Apparently bigger than scifi writers can comprehend.
>If any of that is true, the flood's spread is extremely poorly written.
Yeah no kidding it had to be because they realized they made an unstoppable enemy
Flood spreads via spores consuming biomass and anything that has a nervous system. The lore states that they spread quickly and halo 3 was merely 15 minutes of spread which caused half of Africa to be destroyed. The flood also completely taken over high charity within days of infection.
Yup, that's retarded. When the physical flood biomass simply cannot spread that fast, the speed and completeness of infection don't even matter (both of which are quite limited, btw, since they prefer to and need to infect sentient beings to progress)
When the flood infects someone, it can make them operate cars, planes and ships. This is how the flood spreads across interstellar empires.
Wrong. That's not how the feral stage flood outbreak works. And they don't even progress to coordinated stage in minutes, nevermind instellar stage.
1 month ago
Anonymous
They don't need to infect sentient beings to infect. Just consuming the wildlife/environment is enough to spread.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Flood combat forms aren't as dumb as you think. They immediately have the ability to operate the technology of the person they infect. This includes their weapons as well as their vehicles.
1 month ago
Anonymous
We see feral stage flood operating weapons and vehicles on Installation 04, they even start repairing a covenant starship
Winds aloft can be over a hundred knots.
Even with a conservative flood spread in a desert where there isn't much food the problem is that nukes and napalm won't eradicate the flood and you're just doing your best to keep it contained, which you can't really do because it just needs one little rat to sneak out and nobody can build a cordon fast enough to do any meaningful containment.
It isn't realistic to contain the flood. Which means eventually they'll be everywhere.
>buckshot and slugs.
The gameplay and lore flipflop on this. The books say buckshot doesn't so anything because the flood have no vital organs. The games show the buckshot shreds flood flesh and renders them non-functional.
I guess, but buckshot certainly does put down flood combat forms and infector forms, which is often the most immediate threat. Spores feel like a bit of a cop out. It's like, "You can beat us but haha we still got SPORES!". I can see why the game usually dances around it and doesn't bother addressing the risk of humans and covenant breathing them in.
True, but I think even in the games combat forms dont fully die to buckshot anyway as they can get back up with the help of infection forms if you dont blast their limbs off at point blank range. Regarding spores I am probably wrong but I think they meant to be slower acting and thats why marines dont drop dead moments of being in breathing range, its the infection forms that do the rapid transformations. Spartan armour is also designed to protect against foreign pathogens and is why the chief as literal plot armour against the flood.
>I can see why the game usually dances around it and doesn't bother addressing the risk of humans and covenant breathing them in.
I mean, they glassed half of Africa because a ship full of flood crashed there.
the forerunners were driven to extinction, forced to resort to a galaxy-wide scorched earth weapon to prevent all life in the galaxy from being assimilated
they were so advanced that the MJOLNIR armor used by master chief, reverse-engineered from covenant tech and costing as much as a small space ship, is only a class-2 labor skin by their standards
they recommend a class-14 combat skin to fight the flood
and they still lost
>forced to resort to a galaxy-wide scorched earth weapon to prevent all life in the galaxy from being assimilated
But wouldn't the flood have done this to themselves eventually? If you assimilate the entire galaxy, then there is no food left anyway.
In-universe the hivemind would simply persist for eternity. But in reality the laws of entropy, means that it would eventually die out, potentially thanks to the heat death of the universe.
That's when they (hypothetically) go extra-galactic
If you discard everything post bungie in terms of lore like I do then there is no actual way of knowing how old the flood really is or how far it has travelled to get to our galaxy
We could be the first in a long chain of galaxies to face this threat or the final flickering light in a sea of infinite darkness, its impossible to say
>That's when they (hypothetically) go extra-galactic
We can speculate that they wouldn't be interested in that because the Flood was created by the Precursors to fuck over the Forerunners, and the Forerunners were only in this galaxy.
Nuke the area within minutes of infestation. The flood are broken when it comes to how fast they spread. High charity, for example, was entirely consumed within days.
>this thread again
The Chinese would try to eat it, a Canadian would try to fuck it, and a European would cry that we can't just drive the poor thing to extinction.
But on a serious note the Flood are one of the most dangerous entities in fiction before you start getting to literal mythological gods, it's like The Thing but astronomically worse. The moment a single spore gets into the biosphere it is over for humanity.
The Flood are just degenerate/corrupted Precursors, themselves essentially lovecraftian gods for whom the universe is a living thing, and the purpose of life is to experience every possible thing that can be experienced.. The Flood/Gravemind's motive in the Flood-Forerunner war were pretty clear cut; it just wanted revenge. I don't know what exactly its motives were though after the fact.
Even if you want to be a Bungie purist and say that everything they said is canon and disregard everything 343 says (which is dumb they have a lot of cool things) Then the Precusors are still canon.
They were mentioned in the Halo 3 beastiary:
>TIERS OF TECHNOLOGICAL ACHIEVEMENT >TIER 0: TRANSSENTIENT
>As the [Forerunners] had no examples of civilizations with technological accomplishment greater than their own—with the exception of the Precursors—this is a theoretical ceiling. They can travel intergalactically and accelerate evolution of intelligent life. These may be creatures of legend.
They were also mentioned in the Halo 3 terminals very briefly according to the Halo wiki.
>(which is dumb they have a lot of cool things)
The only cool things they have are the H2A soundtrack, the Banished (which are fucking stupid considering the idea that a dissident pirate faction could stand up to the full brunt of the UNSC), the Swords of Sanghielios, and adding micro-rockets to MJOLNIR, and they even fucked that up by trying to retcon them and shields onto Mark 4 >precursors
Shouldn't have been revealed at all. Just alluded to. The point of Halo is the mystique of secrets. Also connecting the flood to the precursors is fucking stupid and only slightly less so than making the forerunners non-human
1 month ago
Anonymous
>which are fucking stupid considering the idea that a dissident pirate faction could stand up to the full brunt of the UNSC
The Banished have Covenant technology which is still powerful as fuck. Not sure how much stronger UNSC ships got from the end of Halo in 2553 and the point of 2560/the start of Infinite. Either way the Banished fought tooth and nail with an old 30 year UNSC ship without a grav drive on the Ark and had to overwhelm the infinity to take it down. Not sure what else has happened between the two factions but they aren't as big a threat as the Covenant and haven't been shown to go against the full power of the UNSC yet. At least it doesn't look like it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Its also stated that even at the peak of the covenants power, they weren't able to destroy the banish.
1 month ago
Anonymous
So the Banished are just space taliban. Even by infinite the UNSC still can't deal with insurrectionists.
1 month ago
Anonymous
No, the banished were never even close to being destroyed unlike the taliban, which had alot of close calls. The covenant would never get close to destroying them despite them almost destroying the UNSC.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I dont know all about Banished lore but I know they were created fairly recently in the Halo universe. Late enough that the Covenant didn't really have the time to destroy them and they were fighting a two front war against the Humans and later the flood then the whole great schism. That's my theory though.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The banished were created during the human covenant war, but the covenant did try to destroy them, but failed at doing so. Again, they put an emphasis on them surviving against the covenant at the peak of their power.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Even by infinite
By Infinite, Cortana had taken over most human planets and destroyed just about every UNSC ship besides the Infinite. The Banished fleet was big enough to beat the Infinite.
1 month ago
Anonymous
There are still some human ships left, but they all gone radio silent due to the threat of cortana.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Not destroyed, she simply took them over on account of every ship being run by a dedicated smart AI. They are integrated to the point where a ship is essentially the physical body of an AI.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Not all of them joined Cortana, though. Roland is an example of it
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Roland is an example of it
THE ETERNAL THOMPSON GUNNER STILL STANDS ALONE
1 month ago
Anonymous
Of course he did, would you take orders from your own sword?
1 month ago
Anonymous
The Banish are retarded and should never have been included as its utterly retarded and ruins the lore
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>Atriox was such a gary stu. In the opening to Infinite, Chief uppercuts him. If that had been lore accurate, Chief's fist would have canoed throu-
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Based. GODtriox deniers in the mud.
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>Atriox was such a gary stu. In the opening to Infinite, Chief uppercuts him. If that had been lore accurate, Chief's fist would have canoed throu-
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Atriox has so much plot armor it's ridiculous and is obviously some tard's at 343's OC , nagger should have been killed by Red Team but no somehow he was just able to take them by surprise even though they have insane reaction times, motion trackers, better hearing and are faster than brutes but no the brute with no shield's or helmet somehow takes them all on at once.
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>pic related lands on earth
Would humanity have the weapons needed to defend ourselves?
Since we're talking Halo, Halo Wars had the best marine designs especially the cold weather armor
1 month ago
Anonymous
You could argue that Brutes are faster than Spartans. In first strike Chief nearly got caved in by a random Brute who was able to catch up with him in terms of speed. Also, Atriox has power armor on him and red team has outdated Mark IV armor.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The banished are fine. > >obviously some tard's at 343's OC , nagger should have been killed by Red Team but no somehow he was just able to take them by surprise even though they have insane reaction times, motion trackers, better hearing and are faster than brutes but no the brute with no shield's or helmet somehow takes them all on at once.
Brutes are naturally stronger than spartans and one average brute nearly killed the master chief in first strike. Atriox is not your ordinary brute as he is intelligent and also have his own set of bruterigged power armor that enhances his strength. In terms of lore, it makes no sense for a spartan to remotely match a brute in brute strength alone.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>The banished are fine.
you're a nagger and are what's wrong with the Halo fandom, everyone who defends 343 should be rounded up and executed.
It doesn't matter who's physically strong when the Spartans can move and react faster in cqc and could put a bullet in his unarmored head that doesn't have fucking shields.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Brutes are not only physically strong, they are also faster. Anon, brutes have beem stronger than spartans since forever. The books already made a point that spartans cannot out speed/strength a brute in hand to hand combat. They need to use their brains.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>muh books muh books
what are you a fucking israelite ?
The books are irrelevant holocaust tier non canon fanfiction bullshit, the only lore that is canon is the shit in games not made by 343.
>bullets
Brutes are fucking bullet sponges. It takes more than one bullet to the head to kill them.
>Brutes are fucking bullet sponges. It takes more than one bullet to the head to kill them.
oh wow whats this ? brutes die in one shot without a helmet on in Halo 2 on heroic
>he's still mad that brutes are stronger than Spartans
Spartans in terms of speed and strength are the equivalent of a sanghelli minor. Even with generation upgrades to the spartan armor, they are no match for brutes in terms of raq strength and speed.
funny how in every non 343 touched game that's not the case and no your non canon books do not matter, I don't care who they were made under and Bungie clearly didn't care about them either look at reach
1 month ago
Anonymous
This poster is mentally ill and overall just incredibly deranged:
1 month ago
Anonymous
>oh wow whats this ? brutes die in one shot without a helmet on in Halo 2 on heroic
Game mechanics=/= actual lore. Actual lore brutes are stronger, faster and more resilient than Spartans. They can tank bullets without power armor.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The GAMES are the LORE you dumb nagger, Not the books, not the movies, not the fucking musicals or the tv shows or the fucking posters or literally anything else
DEATH TO ALL 343 naggerS
1 month ago
Anonymous
Games are not the lore, even heroic which is stated to be close to lore accuracy is not really that accurate. Real life don't have balancing mechanics.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>games
The games story is canon, the mechanics behind it is not canon.
It's a game series israelite
The games are the only thing that matters, keep sucking that 343 cock until you choke
1 month ago
Anonymous
>343 >talking about lore thats been established by bungie
1 month ago
Anonymous
This is objectively incorrect and you are coping hard.
This is you if you had to go one second without sucking off non canon book homosexualry, You're like a israelite; all you can mention is muh books
1 month ago
Anonymous
>be anon >proceeds to get mad and blame 343 for something that bungie established.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It is canon though.
No it's not and I won't accept that it is unless you blow up twenty five more hospitals israelite
1 month ago
Anonymous
You're peak schizophrenic.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You haven't seen shit holhol
1 month ago
Anonymous
It is literally canon
1 month ago
Anonymous
It is canon though.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Very based anon, keep fighting the fight against book fags
1 month ago
Anonymous
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This is you if you had to go one second without sucking off non canon book homosexualry, You're like a israelite; all you can mention is muh books
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No it's not and I won't accept that it is unless you blow up twenty five more hospitals israelite
>it's a game series >the game is lore
You're not wrong, but you're not right. (you're also humorously autistic)
The games are the core LORE. Lore being the STORY OF EVENTS.
The Game PLAY, itself, is a compromise between the LORE and what the real person playing the game can accept as "fun".
Game PLAY, is not and almost never is, totally accurate to any story's lore.
Do you see the difference?
Lore - Brutes are physical monsters stronger than a prime SPARTAN-II in a MJOLNIR.
Lore - Brutes can tank small arms fire including the standard rifle.
Gameplay - There has to be some limit to these things, so the player (that's you!) can enjoy a balanced game that isn't wasting their time.
GamePLAY is not always accurate to Lore
Lore is not always accurate to gameplay.
Now stop being autistic.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>games
The games story is canon, the mechanics behind it is not canon.
1 month ago
Anonymous
This is objectively incorrect and you are coping hard.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>bullets
Brutes are fucking bullet sponges. It takes more than one bullet to the head to kill them.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>the full brunt of the UNSC
It hasn't even been a decade in universe since the end of the Human Covenant War. Humanity is still recovering from coming within inches of their own extinction.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>dissident pirate faction could stand up to the full brunt of the UNSC
95% of humanity is dead, their fleets shattered and now they have been double-raped by an AI rebellion. The Banished are going against a twice-crippled humanity and even then choosing their battles very carefully.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>i stopped paying attention to halo after 3 and man things sure went fucking stupid, didn- ACK
>yes, yes they did. even worse there are legions of people who'll defend this sl-ACK
>dissident pirate faction that could barely suppress less than 1% of humanity operating out of a single century-old ship last retrofitted in the 30 years ago and without any spartans upgraded past Mk4 armor crushed the latest and greatest UNSC flagship and its entire flotilla before genociding an entire division of NuSpartans in Mk6 out of existence
Based retards at 343 handwaving themselves out of the corner Frank and Ross put them in
>forced to resort to a galaxy-wide scorched earth weapon to prevent all life in the galaxy from being assimilated
But wouldn't the flood have done this to themselves eventually? If you assimilate the entire galaxy, then there is no food left anyway.
In the original games the flood have no stated origin. Pretty sure Bungie wanted to imply they might be extragalactic like the Yuzan Vong or Tyrranids
https://i.imgur.com/4DN4V1L.jpg
Why does halo have such a grip on /k/ that anytime a halo thread is made its guaranteed 70 replies?
>sci-fi military franchise most of /k/ grew up with has actual spec-sheets for its equipment
It was inevitable
Halo is so fucking based. I legit wanted to be a Spartan growing up. If the government kidnapped me to turn me into a super soldier to destroy aliens I would be all for it. *wink wink* you glowies.
Canonically S2's are Future-DEVGRU/NSW, and S3s are Green Berets
It was a proto-gravemind. The only real difference between the two is size and number of organisms assimilated as one mind. Even the proto-graveminfmd was fairly well established before mind raping Keyes and he was on a hairs length away from collapsing in under the weight of his assimilation.
The reason the proto-gravemind couldn't get Keyes' knowledge was because it was asking for the location of Earth, which was data stored in his neural implant. It needed Keyes mind intact to access that data, but Keyes with an intact would only give the Gravemind his name, rank, and serial number.
I thought they can only infect and corrupt AI? With normal technology they just learn how to use them as any normal people can though the memories of the infected? So it's possible they couldn't infect the chip itself. Though I wouldn't be shocked if they could in the gravemind or keymind phase.
1 month ago
Anonymous
A full Gravemind could debate AI into going rogue. I don't know about directly interfacing with technology like neural implants. I don't recall the flood ever working with technology beyond physically employing things like weapons/ships. Anyway, it's evident from the game that a proto gravemind can't do it.
They can infect tech with the logic plague and also add in their own modifications to the tech for their own fittings. Just like how the gravemind was able to mess with the rings teleportation.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Things like toasters and other non-sentient tech are probably not susceptible to the logic plague. You need to use logic to catch a plague based on logic.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I mean its the reason why it was trying to get keyes so it could then acess the implant. So it would still be following the convention of assimilating technology through the knowledge of its hosts
A full Gravemind could debate AI into going rogue. I don't know about directly interfacing with technology like neural implants. I don't recall the flood ever working with technology beyond physically employing things like weapons/ships. Anyway, it's evident from the game that a proto gravemind can't do it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
In those lore videos guilty spark stated even when the forerunners switched to cybernetic bodies they still were infected
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yup, even promethean knights were still proned to flood influence. Although they were efficient in their own way.
1 month ago
Anonymous
That wouldn't make any sense, since the Forrunner's best hope of beating the flood conventionally was by mass digitising humans into robotic weapons.
1 month ago
Anonymous
That was their theory, but it didn't work due to the logic plague.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Is there any source you can point to on that? I'm pretty sure the real reason the promethus thing didn't work was because there wasn't enough humans, the flood infection was past the terminal phase, and the guy in charge of it was slightly insane from talking to a gravemind for too long.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Logic plague works on AIs and they corrupt them. The flood can still corrupt those knights and make them useless for combat. While the main issue is man power, its also an issue of the flood corrupting the knights more than they can produce them.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The whole point of the Constructor and Knight thing was to digitize the body and cleanse it of the infection in the process. But the Forerunners found that while the body was cleansed, the mind was also infected and there was nothing that could be done.
1 month ago
Anonymous
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They can infect tech with the logic plague and also add in their own modifications to the tech for their own fittings. Just like how the gravemind was able to mess with the rings teleportation.
This is during when a gravemind is already fully established.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Human Weakness is a good read. Besides psychoanalyzing and deconstructing Cortana, the Gravemind could also quite literally tentacle-mindrape her and cause her to feel the same sensations as an organic and experience their memories.
Greg Bear's Mary Sue/Yog-Sothoth Flood on the other hand infected spacetime itself and had enough "processing power" to warp reality. It could fully reconstitute all its memories even from a fraction of itself that was put through a billion fucking years via accelerated time. They started off having to debate AI (taking a full 43 yeras to convert Mendicant Bias) to convert it, moved on to a digital version of itself that spread via self-replicating code, and by the end of the war could infect AI on contact or through memetics like an image or a phrase. They could condense thought itself into gigantic physical tentacles on the scale of AUs and use them to crush planets and detonate suns.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>They could condense thought itself into gigantic physical tentacles on the scale of AUs and use them to crush planets and detonate suns.
They could operate the Star Roads but didn't create them, those were created by the non-corrupted (assuming you believe the Flood are not part of the plan) Precursors way before.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>assuming you believe the Flood are not part of the plan
What do you mean by that?
1 month ago
Anonymous
People assume the flood are just "corrupted" precursors when they turned themselves to dust and aren't just the precursors experiencing life through another lens like they have done for so long.
1 month ago
Anonymous
More like the precursors just improvise on the new idea of the flood. The lore has stated that the flood is just a corrupted rebirth of the precursors that Wasn't exactly planned.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Human Weakness
Who is the author? Searching "Human Weakness" doesn't get any hits.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Human Weakness didn't have its own book, it was a short story part of the wider Halo: Evolutions which contains some other excellent short stories like The Mona Lisa and The Return
1 month ago
Anonymous
That sounds great mostly, to bad the actual forerunners were written like complete trash
Halo is so fucking based. I legit wanted to be a Spartan growing up. If the government kidnapped me to turn me into a super soldier to destroy aliens I would be all for it. *wink wink* you glowies.
Atriox was such a gary stu. In the opening to Infinite, Chief uppercuts him. If that had been lore accurate, Chief's fist would have canoed through Atriox's face.
In the early books, Chief nearly got killed by a regular Brute in hand to hand combat. Atriox is peak Brute form. You're underestimating how strong those fucking apes are.
I think we can all agree that the books jump the shark a ridiculous amount of times and never make sense compared to the games which are the only things that should really be trusted. And anything made by 343 isn't canon.
The books are so wacky and make things infinitely more OP and I love it. In the books, there are Warthogs driving at like 60 MPH or something and Brutes were easily catching up to them as they chased the Warthogs on foot. There's also a Nuclear bomb called the NOVA bomb that blew up around a Covenant colony that wiped out the entire side of the world killing billions and blowing up the moon just from the shockwave of the damn thing. Spartans can also dodge bullets.
I think we can all agree that the books jump the shark a ridiculous amount of times and never make sense compared to the games which are the only things that should really be trusted. And anything made by 343 isn't canon.
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The books are so wacky and make things infinitely more OP and I love it. In the books, there are Warthogs driving at like 60 MPH or something and Brutes were easily catching up to them as they chased the Warthogs on foot. There's also a Nuclear bomb called the NOVA bomb that blew up around a Covenant colony that wiped out the entire side of the world killing billions and blowing up the moon just from the shockwave of the damn thing. Spartans can also dodge bullets.
That honestly reads more like he just hit it hard enough to send it out of control
In the games you have enough strength to blow up a fucking tank by punching it a few times.
You naysayers sound retarded.
I think we can all agree that the books jump the shark a ridiculous amount of times and never make sense compared to the games which are the only things that should really be trusted. And anything made by 343 isn't canon.
>Atriox was such a gary stu. In the opening to Infinite, Chief uppercuts him. If that had been lore accurate, Chief's fist would have canoed throu-
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>Atriox was such a gary stu. In the opening to Infinite, Chief uppercuts him. If that had been lore accurate, Chief's fist would have canoed throu-
AAAAAAAACK!!!
The canonical explanation is that some people are more resilient against flood infections than others. While there's no way to prevent it, you can be resistant against their infections. Spartans, for example, are resistant due to their bodies being heavily modified to the point it makes it hard for the flood to infect.
>Spartans, for example, are resistant due to their bodies being heavily modified to the point it makes it hard for the flood to infect.
That's why Johnson wasn't infected despite being in the thick of it with Keyes when the flood captured him. His Spartan 1 augmentations made his nervous system sorta reject the flood. Maybe mass augmentations is how to stop the flood.
While true, it doesn't necessarily stop tje infections as it requires alot of exposure to get them infected. But messing around with the bodies helps in regards to not make them infected even if they are exposed to flood spores. The didact tried the same thing where he modified his body to be more resilient against flood infections, but even with forerunner tech, he still wasn't able to perfectly become immune.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Johnson was immune to the flood because he picked up a nerve disease from using a whole crate of plasma grenades. The radiation mess him up just enough that the flood didn't want him.
No, that disease is officially made up. The actual reason was that his augmentations that he got from the orion project made his body harder to infect.
Look at what covid did to human society, in spite of the best efforts of humans to stop it. The flood would consume humanity and probably do it faster than it took for covid to fuck everything. 6 months at most.
Create a cult of people thinking its a nothing burger. There was a conservative youtuber that died of covid because he wouldn't take the shot(despite being fat along with other comorbidities) and thought covid was fake. The downplay of the threat is what caused it to spread.
Nothing you said added to my comment.
You're also ignoring easily findable evidence of statistics shenanigans and tons of "oh well after the fact hindsight is 20/20" things.
In any case. I was making a passing statement.
Keep it about Halo
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The Banish are retarded and should never have been included as its utterly retarded and ruins the lore
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Atriox has so much plot armor it's ridiculous and is obviously some tard's at 343's OC , nagger should have been killed by Red Team but no somehow he was just able to take them by surprise even though they have insane reaction times, motion trackers, better hearing and are faster than brutes but no the brute with no shield's or helmet somehow takes them all on at once.
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Since we're talking Halo, Halo Wars had the best marine designs especially the cold weather armor
The Space Bear species has been demonstrated to kill one of these with physical combat.
Atriox is the prime example of the species.
Movie-tier shenanigans aside, he is nearly a one man army.
>Implying they would need mind control
Imagine being the first smart ant queen and we come by and promise to win its stupid bug wars or give it sole control of an entire backyard or provide it with $30 worth of food, medicine, and resources.
It would probably do everything in its power to not piss us off, if it does we can spray them with advanced nerve gas or drop a heavy rock on their stupid ant city. I love that we'd be total gods to them. I can literally control the fates of millions of creatures. Anyway aliens would be scary
Depending on the species, an ant colony could also mcfucking kill you if you're caught sleeping. Imagine a large colony of formica rufa infiltrating your home through cracks and gaps and swarming you while you sleep.
Halo used to be so fucking good
I still have my physical copies and I finally have a physical copy of Reach
I loved everything about the original trilogy and Reach and it really sucks that we're never going back
Even MCC online sucks nowadays
I’m not terribly familiar with the full lore of Halo, I’ve played the games up to Reach, and only read the fall of reach. so I wouldn’t be able to tell if you’re being sarcastic or not lol.
The way the flood usually spread was; >Flood ship jumps into orbit >Planetary defences destroy the ship in about 5 milliseconds >Some flood spore makes it out of the wreckage after it crashes, or gets salvaged >Flood starts spreading out of sight >Big fight breaks out >Either the flood wins or the planet is glassed (with some flood controlled ships inevitably jumping out to other systems)
Basically they were unstoppable once they got control of FTL ships.
The war went on for centuries and was really more of an inconvenience for the Forerunners than some life or death struggle. It was only at the very end of the war that the Flood stopped holding back and revealed their true power level, then the Forerunner Empire was wiped out in like a week. There were 3 main factors that made it a curbstomp.
1. The Flood subverted the AI who had control over most the Forerunner military.
2. The Flood had control over ancient machines called Star Roads. Basically imagine unbreakable planet sized ribbons that you can move in any way you can imagine, the Flood used them to smash planets apart like a baseball bat hitting a egg.
3. Planet sized Flood called Keyminds that had the ability to shut down Forerunner tech throughout most of the galaxy. Imagine if the Brethren Moons didn't just fuck with your mind but were able to make your FTL and guns stop working from the other side of the galaxy.
Frankly that ANY Forerunners survived the war speaks to their resiliency as a species.
Ackshually, by the end of that book the Forerunners only "succeeded" because they were basically allowed to set off the Halo array as the Gravemind reveals to the Librarian at the last moment (Via literally resurrecting slain human commanders and sending them to her on Earth) that the Domain itself which was the record of everything the Forerunners ever did on top of being their internet, yada yada, was based on the same neural physics as the star roads and would promptly be destroyed with the firing of the array, which was the Flood's final act of revenge.
And then halo 5 changed all that (oh wait ackshually the domain survived) because the writing for that game was an utter confused clusterfuck.
I didn't say they succeeded I said some survived. The Flood intended for the Rings to be set off for the reason you stated, and they intended for the Didact to survive because he was brainwashed and turned into a ticking time bomb and the Flood found the idea of turning the Forerunner's greatest hero into a monster funny.
However some Forerunners survived and left the Milky Way with Bornstellar to start over somewhere else, which is something the Flood didn't want to happen because they wanted to kill all but the Didact as an act of complete revenge.
Yes, as in brain. As in Halo, the Flood got super smart, they got SO smart that their smartness could be condensed into physical form and basically warp reality.
Your basic Flood zombie is capable of taking an entire magazine of 5.56 or a few 8 gauge blasts without dying or losing any combat ability. They're strong enough to punch a armored super soldier who weights a thousand pounds across the room. Even you do cause enough damage to the bodies to get them to stop that doesn't mean you've killed them, the Flood can reuse the biomass from one of their downed soldiers to make more. Likewise it only takes a few second for a single zombie to latch onto a human and turn them into another flood zombie. Also also Flood zombies are smart and are perfectly capable of using guns and cars and stuff and everyone who gets absorbed into the Flood has all their knowledge become part of the Flood collective.
Unless the Flood show up on earth in the middle of a nuclear test area then earth doesn't really have any chances. If they land in a city they''ll start converting people and moving in all directions hijacking buses and cars and so on to expand further, 1 becomes 2 becomes 4 etc, one flood would be hard for an entire police department to kill and in a matter of minutes it's going to be thousands then millions and within hours they'll be everywhere, by the time people even think about using nukes it will be too late.
If they drop in the wilderness then basically the same thing will happen, the Flood are capable of turning anything with a nervous system into more Flood so they'll still expand rapidly, they won't immediately have access to guns and vehicles so the expansion will be a bit slower and s prepared military force will be able to at least slow them down but all it takes is one Flood form to make it to the ocean and earth will be done within hours.
If we are lucky and they land in the Sahara and detect them quickly, perhaps nuclear weapons can finish them off, but if they have time to spread over a wide area pasting it with nuclear weapons might pose an existential threat to humanity in itself. Chemical weapons are probably more effective all things considered, the world working together could easily outfit 1000s of aircraft to continually douse the area in some lethal chemical weapon developed during the cold war, perhaps also dump nuclear waste. Even so, it is possible one of the critters managed to hop through the desert and out of the target area.
If it lands in the Amazon, spreads rapidly and reaches the ocean before governments react, then we are faced with a different situation. The oceans contain an enormous amount of biomass and they will spread exponentially and begin invading every coastline. We would have to capture specimens and quickly figure out various chemical sprays and weapons that allow future post-apocalyptic civilizations with limited resources to fend them off.
Countries with a lot of coastline to protect and foliage and wildlife are in trouble, they will probably have to use a "scorched earth" strategy to create buffer zones between themselves and the enemy. Countries that manage to hold them off will then be faced with the massive poverty and instability while simultaneously maintaining a war economy. Desperate refugees calculated to inevitably starve to death and possibly carrying the spores present a harrowing situation. Most governments will rapidly collapse into ruthless dictatorships, yet they must assist one another since the enemy will develop intelligence and attempt defeat in detail. They must be aware if another country falls, the enemy will gain ground, grow stronger and be able to overwhelm stronger enclaves.
>and no one knew about them!!!!!!
First contact with the Banished and UNSC happened in 2550 when the Banished raided UNSC outposts. ONI watched them for years according to Halo Wars 2 lorebits.
It's not 2006 anymore boomer. This information is readily available via Wikis or lore videos people make on Youtube. It's also not any different than the origins of the Covenant war. In Halo CE we were thrown into a ship battle. Who are these aliens? We figured that out but did the games ever explain why the war happened in the first place? Why do the prophets want to kill Humans? Why are these aliens in an alliance? That was explained in the books and other lore materials.
>We figured that out but did the games ever explain why the war happened in the first place?
Zoomers don't even know that games used to come with manuals.
https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/d/d9/HCE_PC_Manual.pdf
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Soulful
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>y-you have to read le manuals.....
But why weren't they explained in the games? By the way I like the manuals, I just think you're being hypocritical.
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>But why weren't they explained in the games?
Because every fucking kid opened that shit in the car and read the entire thing before they got back home from the store.
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>"hey, master chief, let me drone on about this fucking bullshit that could be easily summarized in a little booklet while you're trying to shoot aliens and have fun"
Halo Infinite did this shit with the Infinite Cutscenes by their Literally Who main villain. I couldn't finish that hot garbage and dropped it because I was tired of literally being locked in a room and forced to listen to a dude with a painfully gravelly voice yelling about how Master Chief did a bunch of shit to his mom's dog or whatever he was saying. Write it on a piece of paper and stop bothering me, I want to jump around shooting aliens and run them over in a dune buggy, I don't have time for your word sandwiches.
https://i.imgur.com/zGFvbh4.jpg
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Have the box around here too, but its got the security key on it and I can't post THAT online.
Why not? IIRC they're not one-use-only. You can download CE for free and use any activation key, even if it's already been used. That's what I did.
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>Why not?
Bad joke, sorry.
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>now people are whining that they explained too much
I'm ok with not liking "LE NEW THING" but everytime it's always some hypocritical shit and flip flop opinions. Did you hate the Gravemind giving a 5 minute long lecture to Chief and Arbiter in Halo 2? What about he Halo 3 scenes that slow your game down with Cortana and Gravemind talking?
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That shit was widely hated in halo 3 and that doesn’t change the fact it sucks ass in infinite
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Anonymous
Infinite has probably the least amount of cutscenes compared to gameplay in the series. Also you could run over aliens in cars and shoot them up all the time. It's a semi-open world game.
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I’m not the anon you originally responded to. the core gameplay is one of the things 343 got right, the actual open world is pretty bland and boring after you spend an hour in it.
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Maybe, but perhaps what's so grating about the infinite cutscenes is that they are all exactly the same, it's just some fucking orange hologram talking at you, saying he's hot shit, and that you suck, over and over
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To bad the vehicles are made out of papermache and are weak as fuck
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They buffed them in recent updates.
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is that the fucking p'fhor
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https://i.imgur.com/Pqp07PV.jpg
Have the box around here too, but its got the security key on it and I can't post THAT online.
The banished are fine since they are just the covenant 2.0, the real lane bad guys are the endless >the endless are an even bigger and evil threat then the flood >never actually see it in game just constantly hear about it
Almost as lame as somehow Cortana has returned but is now evil
I'm going to take this opportunity to say that out of everything 343 has done, these new Xalanyn are especially fucking stupid. Constantly coming out of the blue with somehow even more dangerous threats that were never fucking mentioned or alluded to before, and somehow these motherfuckers are supposed to be even more dangerous than the fucking flood? Fuck off.
>in some novel
Halo 2 was exactly like that lol. The between CE/2 was left in the novels and the game didn't bother giving an overview to how chief got back to earth in the first place.
Yeah but he was on a functioning space plane, getting back to earth was pretty trivial for master chief
How Johnson got back was retarded and everyone thought it was retarded when he showed up at the start of halo 2 tho
Compare and contrast to the events between halo 2 and 3
>how Johnson got back was retarded
The legendary ending is non canon. Johnson got back via a pelican or something and met up with the chief along with other marines that somehow survived with Johnson. They all hijacked a covenant ship and went back to reach and then destroying(if i remembered right) a covenant fleet before going back to earth.
Johnson survival was left out in CE. At the beginning of first strike,which takes place directly after halo:the flood/CE, Johnson managed to find a pelican along with other marines and escaped off the ring
>didn't watch the halo 4 terminal
Spartans were never immune, but had resistance due to their augmentations. The forerunners tried their own methods of immunization through body modification, but that only made them resistant and they are still susceptible to flood infections if they are exposed enough.
nagger SPARTANs were always immune, Johnson being a member of the failed SPARTAN 1 program is the reason he was able to survive the first halo ring you dumb nagger
fuck off with your 343 headcanon homosexualry
>spartan were always immune
nagger, its been stated multiple times there are no immunity against the flood. Johnson is still susceptible to infection despite him being resistant.
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nagger did you play Halo 1
Johnson survives being overwhelmed by the flood when they first encounter them, there's no way he would be alive if he was just resistant. IIRC there was talks about retconning the immune thing so they could say he just escaped due to skill but it was always because the flood just couldn't infect him
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>halo 1
First strike confirmed that it was because his nervous system was harder to infect. But halsey still found traces of flood in him.
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That leads more into my point that he's immune
His nervous system being harder to infect was a result of the SPARTAN 1 program, him having live flood cells in him would make him immune, it only takes a single spore to infect something, resistant would mean eventually he'd get transformed
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I don't think you knoe what resistance mean. Resistance means that he can't get infected by a certain amount of something. But eventually he can get infected if he's been exposed more than what he can handle. Immunity means that you can't get infected no matter the amount you're exposed to.
In Halo 3 it's possible for Johnson's dead body to get infected on the final level because of a glitch, but he literally has a voice line for the exact occasion that goes "Ain't I supposed to be immune to this?"
Anon, show us where it directly stated that spartans are immune?
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eat a dick homosexual
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>dialogue thats supposed to be a joke
Lol, lmao even. Johnson stated himself that the flood did not proceed to go after him. In halo:the flood, jenkins was infected, but still concious due to a weak infection form. The flood in installation 04 were desperate and never bother to go through with Johnson due to how hard it is to infect him.
Spartans being immune was never an important plot point nor was it really established.
Nowhere did it stated that he was immune.
lmao ok 343 baby, keep moaning and pissing your pants
This is a dumb argument because Spartans have never been infected in Bungie or 343 canon and it isn't even known in 343 canon if they can be infected. Infected Spartans in Halo 4 Multi-player is a simulation not a real thing. However, it would make the flood really lame if they couldn't infect Spartans but could somehow infect forerunners who were incredibly more advanced than the Covenant and UNSC combined. They could create megastructures but couldn't just find a way to augment themselves?
>dialogue thats supposed to be a joke
Lol, lmao even. Johnson stated himself that the flood did not proceed to go after him. In halo:the flood, jenkins was infected, but still concious due to a weak infection form. The flood in installation 04 were desperate and never bother to go through with Johnson due to how hard it is to infect him.
>get proven wrong >enter mental gymnastics competition to cope
>dude gets infected and turns into a combat form >NO IT'S NOT REAL I DID NOT SEE JOHNSON TURN INTO A FLOOD!!!
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>thing happens because of engine limitations
'NAH I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG"
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>this is canon because I say so >this other thing isn't because it goes against my headcanon
Now that's cope.
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Post your proof a single member of any SPARTAN program has been infected by the flood in any of the lore, I'll even accept any of 343s retarded shit
The dialogue might be a joke, but it's the closest to anything confirmed, the reason it's a joke is because he's not supposed to be able to be infected you retards
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Adding on to this, in the novelisation of the first halo game, Chief literally gets his armour penetrated by an infection form that penetrates his skin and almost hits his spine before it gets popped by cortana
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>Post your proof a single member of any SPARTAN program has been infected by the flood in any of the lore
Johnsons body able to be infected.
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FUCK
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There has been no spartans infected, but the UNSC has 2 protocols in case one gets infected.
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So 0
The answer is 0 (zero)
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If the UNSC in lore has protocols like CORRUPTER and UPSILON, they are not really convinced that a spartan is truly immune in a theoretical scenario.
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UNSC was ran by ONI, a bunch of glowies, of course they'd have protocols for just about anything
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Yea, because they have access to some forerunner information, especially on the flood.
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They made those protocols based on the information they have on the flood from the forerunners/UNSC encounters with them.
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>more 343 lore
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>says doesn't care if its 343 >proceeds to complain that its 343.
Spartans and Flood haven't been in contact outside of the Chief to really know if one can be infected or not. It's all hypothetical, even in 343 canon.
Its important to know that The Flood are only as powerful as the species they infect. Earth has a lot of animals that could become infected. So it truly depends where they land. However once they get to the point of using our guns it's basically over. If they establish a gravemind its beyond over
I give modern humanity a 1% of surviving. However it could take a year up to a few years
True. However Reach had a pretty good shotgun and while its ugly and 343 retarded design the Halo 5 shotgun is a literal great gun and is actually useful.
yeah 343 shit is trash my dude sorry you have bad taste and extra sorry all their games bombed and the majority of infinity is scrapped now due to poor player turnout.
>implying I wanted to make an argument
Lol, lmao even.
>Cortana dies in Halo 4 >Somehow Cortana Returns but is evil in Halo 5 >Dies again in Halo infinite except you also get a new cortana 2.0
Who wrote this shit
If they just went with the didact as the enemy in 5 it would've went all good. The biggest issue in 343 is the retcon everything because they don't have a backbone so if someone whines about something they try and reverse it between games. People whined about the Didact so they killed him off and decided to bring Cortana back. People whined about that so they retconned that. They don't want to finish a story. They somehow haven't realized that Halo fans are the most whiny fanbase in the world. They've been crying about new games since Halo 2 came out. Just stick to the damn plan and see how it plays out.
Guarantee that 343 will do it again in the next game even though the campaign was for the most part well received
>didact >killed off
Didact is not dead lol. He's still alive, but digitalized.
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>well ackshualy
what 343fags don't get is that 343 lore is an absolute pain to keep up with, much less get invested in, due to the sheer incompetence of the writers and the amount of retconning and backtracking they do every time their shitty writing gets called out. >hey we have this ancient evil he's really powerful and stuff EXCEPT you kill him in a QTE and that's the end of his story >PSYCHE actually he's alive through some mumbo jumbo bullshit that you have to read some obscure comic to understand, he's totally gonna be the main villain now >ok we lied we killed him offscreen again. But you remember cortana now SHE'S the main villain and you're gonna have to defeat her to save the galaxy >ok no one liked that idea so we're just gonna quietly write off that pivotal plot point by making her die offscreen (again) but HEY we got this super brute who literally has no weakness and easily beats up these characters who have been built up for years just like that >for some reason he had to die offscreen like everyone else, giving you no chance for a moment of satisfying retribution or even bringing any closure to that rivalry but GUESS WHAT there's an even more dangerous ancient evil than the flood, ignore the fact that there's literally no mention of them anywhere except now but they're totally gonna threaten the galaxy like no one has before
At some point any sane man would just shake his head and dismiss anything 343 says as nonsensical fanfiction. Because that's about on par with the quality of nu-Halo's writing.
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Anon, the didact got composed, he never got killed off. The new novels that coming up is specifically about him as a digital entity.
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>The new novels
343 relies on those novels way to heavily, shouldnt need them to tell a cohesive story for a video game.
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>The new novels
and this is 343 lore is garbage. I'm not reading your obscure extended lore just to find out about your pivotal ant's fate antagonist just because your writers are too shit to kill him off in a competent way. If the main story isn't worth following there's no way in hell I'm going to be interested in the books.
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>pivotal ant's fate
pivotal antagonist's fate*
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>spacevoldemort who went insane because he accidentally made himself immune to his superweapon in his search for a cure to the galactic threat had a secret weakness to his superweapon
Shut up Frank, nobody liked you at bungie and nobody likes you at 343
1 month ago
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So glad he is gone, gave me some hope for the future of halo
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>he is gone
He's still around, he's just in a position where he can do less damage. Damage is already done though and the only solution to halo is making halo 4 for real this time
He didn't went insane because of that lol. He went insane because he talked to the gravemind for years.
>He went insane because-
who gives a fuck about the details of a mental defective's fanfiction
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>tries to make shit up >proceeds to get angry when corrected
Didact went crazy due to other reasons, but its not because he's been trying to find an immunity.
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>this character is fucking retarded and here's just one reason why >heh, you got this minor detail of this character's story wrong, even though it doesn't disprove your central point... >I couldn't give less of a fuck and neither should you >Lol you're mad
>j-just reboot the story bro
Glad you're not in charge. Your ideas are even worse. Stop trying to turn halo into DC where there are reboots every decade. The series is too well established to just throw it all away.
>The series is too well established to just throw it all away. >the games that are universally hated by everyone except illiterate Hispanics and books that nobody is willing to read anymore actually matter, please validate the special needs man/womanchilds' fanfiction
First step to getting out of a hole is to stop digging.
Chief shouldn't have come back until H7 anyways, honestly, better poetically if H4,5, and 6 were all following characters like Arby, Rook, Jun, or Blue Team cracking down on insurgents and dealing with Guardians (Flaming Sword iconography, not giant needle-knights) and the Hushed Casket stayed sealed until 7.
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>game universally hated by everyone
Halo 5/reach were the only games to be hated by everyone. Halo 4 was a mixbag and halo infinite was pretty positive aside from the lack of content. But yes, the series is too established to even think of a reboot. Reboots is also very lazy.
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Infinite pigs unironically still believe there isn't anything fundamentally wrong with shartfinite.
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>j-just reboot the story bro
Glad you're not in charge. Your ideas are even worse. Stop trying to turn halo into DC where there are reboots every decade. The series is too well established to just throw it all away.
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He didn't went insane because of that lol. He went insane because he talked to the gravemind for years.
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>he's still mad that brutes are stronger than Spartans
Spartans in terms of speed and strength are the equivalent of a sanghelli minor. Even with generation upgrades to the spartan armor, they are no match for brutes in terms of raq strength and speed.
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Yeah the whole endless are the biggest bad guys even more badder then the flood is fucking dumb, we don't see them do anything in game just hear about how dangerous they are which is lame writing. Shoula just brought the flood back ngl.
>Cortana dies in Halo 4 >Somehow Cortana Returns but is evil in Halo 5 >Dies again in Halo infinite except you also get a new cortana 2.0
Who wrote this shit
>and fags who will defend it endlessly for some reason
I have fun playing it and like a lot of the lore even if some stuff is dumb and unneeded like the endless. The secret is not taking it too seriously and trolling the oldfags. They get really mad it's pretty entertaining.
>there was a portal to the Ark open above Earth >the gravemind has the entirety of High Charity under his control >instead of flying into earth and leaving infection forms to take over the planet he randomly opened a portal that was on Mars (how did he do this? Who knows) and went to the Ark from there instead
No one in this thread gets that the danger of the flood doesn't come from how quickly it spreads but from how it manages to absorb the memories and intelligence from the life it consumes, exponentially growing its collective intelligence. Once it grows past its feral stage and develops a gravemind it can repair and pilot interstellar ships to spread even further, as well as outsmart its enemies and even corrupt AI. The forerunners thought they could contain it with technology but the flood constantly used their own tactics against them.
It doesn't matter if we have the weapons to fight against them or not, once it's infected enough biomass it's effectively unstoppable and we'd all be fucked.
>Once it grows past its feral stage and develops a gravemind it can repair and pilot interstellar ships to spread even further
Does it need to assimilate people that know how to do that or does it just 'figure it out' with hivemind gigabrain power?
t. Lore deficient outsider
It can either figure it out or just use the victims experience on how to fly it. They can also add their own modifications to the tech and improve on it. For example, the gravemind in high charity management to tune their slipspace tech to be more accurate by making precursors modifications.
So if a single flood organism ends up on a planet with shitloads of life but none of it sapient, it'd still ultimately be able to invent it's own ftl/spacefaring tech by gobbling up a whole lot of animals? That about right?
Damn, that's neat. Now i want to mix them with 40k 'nids and see what kind of horrid monstrosity that would create. Could probably make a whole game out of it.
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Anonymous
Yes, the flood, if spread enough, also has the ability to infect space itself and can warp reality. However, the flood also has their own limitations, like even if they infect a place, they will still be isolated unless they managed to either produce their own ability to transport(probably take a long time or never depending on how far they spread) or find some retard that lands on the planet with a form of transportation.
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Anonymous
How lovely. Either you get a containment failure because some retarded explorer picks the wrong planet to touch down on, or the flood eats one too many rats and grows a big brain.
I like it.
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Anonymous
Yup, and the gravemind also never gets killed as their conciousness is essentially bound by space time. So even if you kill it, its knowledge and conciousness will be passed to the next gravemind that will form.
im making a game where you kill actually fairly similar aliens with picrel. Its a rough mock-up thats basically a bullpup'd g3. Give me your harshest, or nicest, opinions pls.
>just use bullets bro
even IF he is slightly faster by the time chief bitch is using his next move GODTRIOX is already throwing a counter. no wonder master buck got turned into a fucking smear.
If the flood can grow smarter/more capable by consuming anything with a nervous system to the point where it can warp reality, why would it try to go on the offensive at all? Seems like a smarter move to turtle up on one or two planets and gradually grow by farming animals. Minimal threat until godhood.
How much biomass does it actually need to attain at least ftl tech, assuming it only gets subsapients? Because it feels like once it gets ftl, or even reality warping, it should be able to do whatever the fuck it wants. Spam out ftl fire ships to hit any interstellar species nearby to catch them unawares and consume a swathe of planets before they even realize they're under assault.
Probably an entire planets worth of biomass. The gravemind was able to utilize some form of reality warping when he tried to mess with chief om the first level and also on the level where you go on the infected high charity. It probably still requires alot of processing power to be able to build a transportation that is capable of slipspace jumps.
Not going to work when there are people out there to exterminate you. Which is why its also important to infect more and more as you gain more power/knowledge. The forerunners flood war was scary because forerunners slipspace was accurate to a T and the flood was using that to infect planets.
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But why would they exterminate you if you're just an unassuming sludgemass, no threat to anyone? If they do move at you, the info comes to you and you have a defenders advantage.
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Anonymous
Because you're literally infecting everything in plain sight and the flood purpose is to infect everything and assimilate everything.
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Anonymous
Sounds like the flood isn't too great at tactics by it's very nature, then. I'm just saying, if i controlled it? If i were the gravemind? Total domination every time.
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Anonymous
They are very smart, but again, their purpose is to assimilate and garner enough knowledge/processing power to infect more. They are just space god zombies.
this is why 343 tranny lore is lame and bad. before the flood still needed access to resources and form logistical chains. now they can just wait it out before summoning rainbow road to btfo everyone.
Yup, a spartan got infected by getting overrun. Probably mirrors the way chief almost getting infected, except he doesn't have a smart AI to zap the thing before reaching the spine. Interestingly, the infection failed to completely control him.
we've had explosives for centuries
the mongols could have dealt with this threat
>breathes
>already over
There's no way we'd survive without nuking a continent or 3.
>wears mask
Checkmate sporenaggers
Why didn't the forerunners think of that?
They did, but there was always some anti mask dude who would get infected and kill everyone.
>The flood isn't real it's made up by foroglorbo to make us wear the mask!
>Any floodmonster is also made by foroblorbo to kill dissidents! Why do you think only those against them get turned huh!? Yeah because they refuse to wear the mask so they inject them with their biolab zombieficator mutator virus!
Thats exactly what happened along with there being a cult for the flood too.
>There's no way we'd survive without nuking a continent or 3.
I vote sacrificing
>Africa
>Asia
>South America
That's exactly what happened in Halo 3
>the forerunners could literally bend time/space, build entire worlds and move suns and couldn't survive
>he thinks some apes with exploding sticks can
Lol, lmao even.
>within minutes
Seconds. If I remember correctly in the Halo 4 terminals they destroyed a planet because the flood were detected having just landed minutes prior
In Halo 3 they were on the surface of the planet for ~15 minutes facing heavy resistance and that was enough to glass half of Africa.
The Flood went from a local infestation to conquering the Forerunner empire - the Milky Way Galaxy, in just four fucking years. FOUR.
>and that was enough to glass half of Africa
The Elites also wanted to glass the entire planet just to make sure but the Arbiter told them not to do that. That in itself was a giant risk. I love the flood so much bros... they're so damn kino.
Within a few minutes warrants half a continent being destroyed. Halo 3 had minutes of infection and it required the shipmaster to glass half of Africa to be absolutely sure the infection was gone.
It's possible that the Elite admiral had ulterior motives.
No, he is more experienced in how the flood spreads. Before halo 2, half of his jaw was gone due to the flood.
If any of that is true, the flood's spread is extremely poorly written.
No flood form has locomotion fast enough to correspond with that kind of spread even if they expanded optimally and instantly infected all life on contact.
Planets are big. Apparently bigger than scifi writers can comprehend.
>If any of that is true, the flood's spread is extremely poorly written.
Yeah no kidding it had to be because they realized they made an unstoppable enemy
Flood spreads via spores consuming biomass and anything that has a nervous system. The lore states that they spread quickly and halo 3 was merely 15 minutes of spread which caused half of Africa to be destroyed. The flood also completely taken over high charity within days of infection.
Yup, that's retarded. When the physical flood biomass simply cannot spread that fast, the speed and completeness of infection don't even matter (both of which are quite limited, btw, since they prefer to and need to infect sentient beings to progress)
Wrong. That's not how the feral stage flood outbreak works. And they don't even progress to coordinated stage in minutes, nevermind instellar stage.
They don't need to infect sentient beings to infect. Just consuming the wildlife/environment is enough to spread.
Flood combat forms aren't as dumb as you think. They immediately have the ability to operate the technology of the person they infect. This includes their weapons as well as their vehicles.
We see feral stage flood operating weapons and vehicles on Installation 04, they even start repairing a covenant starship
When the flood infects someone, it can make them operate cars, planes and ships. This is how the flood spreads across interstellar empires.
Winds aloft can be over a hundred knots.
Even with a conservative flood spread in a desert where there isn't much food the problem is that nukes and napalm won't eradicate the flood and you're just doing your best to keep it contained, which you can't really do because it just needs one little rat to sneak out and nobody can build a cordon fast enough to do any meaningful containment.
It isn't realistic to contain the flood. Which means eventually they'll be everywhere.
How tall is this thing ? Anyway, looks fleshy, buckshot and slugs.
>buckshot and slugs.
The gameplay and lore flipflop on this. The books say buckshot doesn't so anything because the flood have no vital organs. The games show the buckshot shreds flood flesh and renders them non-functional.
Non-functional does not nessasarily mean neutralising the pathogen entirely
I guess, but buckshot certainly does put down flood combat forms and infector forms, which is often the most immediate threat. Spores feel like a bit of a cop out. It's like, "You can beat us but haha we still got SPORES!". I can see why the game usually dances around it and doesn't bother addressing the risk of humans and covenant breathing them in.
True, but I think even in the games combat forms dont fully die to buckshot anyway as they can get back up with the help of infection forms if you dont blast their limbs off at point blank range. Regarding spores I am probably wrong but I think they meant to be slower acting and thats why marines dont drop dead moments of being in breathing range, its the infection forms that do the rapid transformations. Spartan armour is also designed to protect against foreign pathogens and is why the chief as literal plot armour against the flood.
>I can see why the game usually dances around it and doesn't bother addressing the risk of humans and covenant breathing them in.
I mean, they glassed half of Africa because a ship full of flood crashed there.
At the same time, Arbiter and his Elite buddies all stroll through areas that are thick with flood spores.
Didn’t the Gravemind back up it’s consciousness into
4D space or some BS like that? Seems kinda OP.
This has been asked dozens of times: no.
It's because we want to believe we'd survive an extraterrestrial encounter. It's not just Americans that want to be the underdog, it's universal.
Obsessed
the forerunners were driven to extinction, forced to resort to a galaxy-wide scorched earth weapon to prevent all life in the galaxy from being assimilated
they were so advanced that the MJOLNIR armor used by master chief, reverse-engineered from covenant tech and costing as much as a small space ship, is only a class-2 labor skin by their standards
they recommend a class-14 combat skin to fight the flood
and they still lost
>forced to resort to a galaxy-wide scorched earth weapon to prevent all life in the galaxy from being assimilated
But wouldn't the flood have done this to themselves eventually? If you assimilate the entire galaxy, then there is no food left anyway.
In-universe the hivemind would simply persist for eternity. But in reality the laws of entropy, means that it would eventually die out, potentially thanks to the heat death of the universe.
That's when they (hypothetically) go extra-galactic
If you discard everything post bungie in terms of lore like I do then there is no actual way of knowing how old the flood really is or how far it has travelled to get to our galaxy
We could be the first in a long chain of galaxies to face this threat or the final flickering light in a sea of infinite darkness, its impossible to say
Back when I was playing 1 for the first time I got the idea in my head that the forerunners had developed the flood themselves, I guess not.
>That's when they (hypothetically) go extra-galactic
We can speculate that they wouldn't be interested in that because the Flood was created by the Precursors to fuck over the Forerunners, and the Forerunners were only in this galaxy.
Which is fucking stupid now because we've already had games in which we've kicked the shit out of actual Forerunners with the same gear. Fuck 343.
Yes yes, everyone in this thread who isn't a fagget has already agreed upon this point.
>out of actual forerunners
Didact lost because of his own arrogance and cockiness.
Nuke the area within minutes of infestation. The flood are broken when it comes to how fast they spread. High charity, for example, was entirely consumed within days.
Just get a flood insurance.
lel. fuck no.
>this thread again
The Chinese would try to eat it, a Canadian would try to fuck it, and a European would cry that we can't just drive the poor thing to extinction.
But on a serious note the Flood are one of the most dangerous entities in fiction before you start getting to literal mythological gods, it's like The Thing but astronomically worse. The moment a single spore gets into the biosphere it is over for humanity.
Glass the entirety of Africa. It's the only way to be sure.
>sir was glassing Africa worth it to stop the Flood?
>what about the Flood now?
>why reject a gift given so eagerly, anon?
Even it doesn’t believe that(I think)
The Flood are just degenerate/corrupted Precursors, themselves essentially lovecraftian gods for whom the universe is a living thing, and the purpose of life is to experience every possible thing that can be experienced.. The Flood/Gravemind's motive in the Flood-Forerunner war were pretty clear cut; it just wanted revenge. I don't know what exactly its motives were though after the fact.
>precursors
NOT FUCKING CANNON
Whatever floats your cope
Even if you want to be a Bungie purist and say that everything they said is canon and disregard everything 343 says (which is dumb they have a lot of cool things) Then the Precusors are still canon.
They were mentioned in the Halo 3 beastiary:
>TIERS OF TECHNOLOGICAL ACHIEVEMENT
>TIER 0: TRANSSENTIENT
>As the [Forerunners] had no examples of civilizations with technological accomplishment greater than their own—with the exception of the Precursors—this is a theoretical ceiling. They can travel intergalactically and accelerate evolution of intelligent life. These may be creatures of legend.
They were also mentioned in the Halo 3 terminals very briefly according to the Halo wiki.
>(which is dumb they have a lot of cool things)
The only cool things they have are the H2A soundtrack, the Banished (which are fucking stupid considering the idea that a dissident pirate faction could stand up to the full brunt of the UNSC), the Swords of Sanghielios, and adding micro-rockets to MJOLNIR, and they even fucked that up by trying to retcon them and shields onto Mark 4
>precursors
Shouldn't have been revealed at all. Just alluded to. The point of Halo is the mystique of secrets. Also connecting the flood to the precursors is fucking stupid and only slightly less so than making the forerunners non-human
>which are fucking stupid considering the idea that a dissident pirate faction could stand up to the full brunt of the UNSC
The Banished have Covenant technology which is still powerful as fuck. Not sure how much stronger UNSC ships got from the end of Halo in 2553 and the point of 2560/the start of Infinite. Either way the Banished fought tooth and nail with an old 30 year UNSC ship without a grav drive on the Ark and had to overwhelm the infinity to take it down. Not sure what else has happened between the two factions but they aren't as big a threat as the Covenant and haven't been shown to go against the full power of the UNSC yet. At least it doesn't look like it.
Its also stated that even at the peak of the covenants power, they weren't able to destroy the banish.
So the Banished are just space taliban. Even by infinite the UNSC still can't deal with insurrectionists.
No, the banished were never even close to being destroyed unlike the taliban, which had alot of close calls. The covenant would never get close to destroying them despite them almost destroying the UNSC.
I dont know all about Banished lore but I know they were created fairly recently in the Halo universe. Late enough that the Covenant didn't really have the time to destroy them and they were fighting a two front war against the Humans and later the flood then the whole great schism. That's my theory though.
The banished were created during the human covenant war, but the covenant did try to destroy them, but failed at doing so. Again, they put an emphasis on them surviving against the covenant at the peak of their power.
>Even by infinite
By Infinite, Cortana had taken over most human planets and destroyed just about every UNSC ship besides the Infinite. The Banished fleet was big enough to beat the Infinite.
There are still some human ships left, but they all gone radio silent due to the threat of cortana.
Not destroyed, she simply took them over on account of every ship being run by a dedicated smart AI. They are integrated to the point where a ship is essentially the physical body of an AI.
Not all of them joined Cortana, though. Roland is an example of it
>Roland is an example of it
THE ETERNAL THOMPSON GUNNER STILL STANDS ALONE
Of course he did, would you take orders from your own sword?
The Banish are retarded and should never have been included as its utterly retarded and ruins the lore
Atriox has so much plot armor it's ridiculous and is obviously some tard's at 343's OC , nagger should have been killed by Red Team but no somehow he was just able to take them by surprise even though they have insane reaction times, motion trackers, better hearing and are faster than brutes but no the brute with no shield's or helmet somehow takes them all on at once.
Since we're talking Halo, Halo Wars had the best marine designs especially the cold weather armor
You could argue that Brutes are faster than Spartans. In first strike Chief nearly got caved in by a random Brute who was able to catch up with him in terms of speed. Also, Atriox has power armor on him and red team has outdated Mark IV armor.
The banished are fine.
>
>obviously some tard's at 343's OC , nagger should have been killed by Red Team but no somehow he was just able to take them by surprise even though they have insane reaction times, motion trackers, better hearing and are faster than brutes but no the brute with no shield's or helmet somehow takes them all on at once.
Brutes are naturally stronger than spartans and one average brute nearly killed the master chief in first strike. Atriox is not your ordinary brute as he is intelligent and also have his own set of bruterigged power armor that enhances his strength. In terms of lore, it makes no sense for a spartan to remotely match a brute in brute strength alone.
>The banished are fine.
you're a nagger and are what's wrong with the Halo fandom, everyone who defends 343 should be rounded up and executed.
It doesn't matter who's physically strong when the Spartans can move and react faster in cqc and could put a bullet in his unarmored head that doesn't have fucking shields.
Brutes are not only physically strong, they are also faster. Anon, brutes have beem stronger than spartans since forever. The books already made a point that spartans cannot out speed/strength a brute in hand to hand combat. They need to use their brains.
>muh books muh books
what are you a fucking israelite ?
The books are irrelevant holocaust tier non canon fanfiction bullshit, the only lore that is canon is the shit in games not made by 343.
>Brutes are fucking bullet sponges. It takes more than one bullet to the head to kill them.
oh wow whats this ? brutes die in one shot without a helmet on in Halo 2 on heroic
funny how in every non 343 touched game that's not the case and no your non canon books do not matter, I don't care who they were made under and Bungie clearly didn't care about them either look at reach
This poster is mentally ill and overall just incredibly deranged:
>oh wow whats this ? brutes die in one shot without a helmet on in Halo 2 on heroic
Game mechanics=/= actual lore. Actual lore brutes are stronger, faster and more resilient than Spartans. They can tank bullets without power armor.
The GAMES are the LORE you dumb nagger, Not the books, not the movies, not the fucking musicals or the tv shows or the fucking posters or literally anything else
DEATH TO ALL 343 naggerS
Games are not the lore, even heroic which is stated to be close to lore accuracy is not really that accurate. Real life don't have balancing mechanics.
It's a game series israelite
The games are the only thing that matters, keep sucking that 343 cock until you choke
>343
>talking about lore thats been established by bungie
This is you if you had to go one second without sucking off non canon book homosexualry, You're like a israelite; all you can mention is muh books
>be anon
>proceeds to get mad and blame 343 for something that bungie established.
No it's not and I won't accept that it is unless you blow up twenty five more hospitals israelite
You're peak schizophrenic.
You haven't seen shit holhol
It is literally canon
It is canon though.
Very based anon, keep fighting the fight against book fags
>it's a game series
>the game is lore
You're not wrong, but you're not right. (you're also humorously autistic)
The games are the core LORE. Lore being the STORY OF EVENTS.
The Game PLAY, itself, is a compromise between the LORE and what the real person playing the game can accept as "fun".
Game PLAY, is not and almost never is, totally accurate to any story's lore.
Do you see the difference?
Lore - Brutes are physical monsters stronger than a prime SPARTAN-II in a MJOLNIR.
Lore - Brutes can tank small arms fire including the standard rifle.
Gameplay - There has to be some limit to these things, so the player (that's you!) can enjoy a balanced game that isn't wasting their time.
GamePLAY is not always accurate to Lore
Lore is not always accurate to gameplay.
Now stop being autistic.
>games
The games story is canon, the mechanics behind it is not canon.
This is objectively incorrect and you are coping hard.
>bullets
Brutes are fucking bullet sponges. It takes more than one bullet to the head to kill them.
>the full brunt of the UNSC
It hasn't even been a decade in universe since the end of the Human Covenant War. Humanity is still recovering from coming within inches of their own extinction.
>dissident pirate faction could stand up to the full brunt of the UNSC
95% of humanity is dead, their fleets shattered and now they have been double-raped by an AI rebellion. The Banished are going against a twice-crippled humanity and even then choosing their battles very carefully.
>dissident pirate faction that could barely suppress less than 1% of humanity operating out of a single century-old ship last retrofitted in the 30 years ago and without any spartans upgraded past Mk4 armor crushed the latest and greatest UNSC flagship and its entire flotilla before genociding an entire division of NuSpartans in Mk6 out of existence
Based retards at 343 handwaving themselves out of the corner Frank and Ross put them in
In the original games the flood have no stated origin. Pretty sure Bungie wanted to imply they might be extragalactic like the Yuzan Vong or Tyrranids
>sci-fi military franchise most of /k/ grew up with has actual spec-sheets for its equipment
It was inevitable
Canonically S2's are Future-DEVGRU/NSW, and S3s are Green Berets
>gif related lands on earth
it's time to Hispanice things up.
Metroid fusion was such a great game. Holy fuck. It even had sleep mode which I would use in class
>beat it in 4th grade during library period
Name a bigger gigachad for tanking a gravemind.
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It wasn't a gravemind yet tho.
It was a proto-gravemind. The only real difference between the two is size and number of organisms assimilated as one mind. Even the proto-graveminfmd was fairly well established before mind raping Keyes and he was on a hairs length away from collapsing in under the weight of his assimilation.
The reason the proto-gravemind couldn't get Keyes' knowledge was because it was asking for the location of Earth, which was data stored in his neural implant. It needed Keyes mind intact to access that data, but Keyes with an intact would only give the Gravemind his name, rank, and serial number.
But it can infect technology?
Not at proto-gravemind stage.
I thought they can only infect and corrupt AI? With normal technology they just learn how to use them as any normal people can though the memories of the infected? So it's possible they couldn't infect the chip itself. Though I wouldn't be shocked if they could in the gravemind or keymind phase.
They can infect tech with the logic plague and also add in their own modifications to the tech for their own fittings. Just like how the gravemind was able to mess with the rings teleportation.
Things like toasters and other non-sentient tech are probably not susceptible to the logic plague. You need to use logic to catch a plague based on logic.
I mean its the reason why it was trying to get keyes so it could then acess the implant. So it would still be following the convention of assimilating technology through the knowledge of its hosts
A full Gravemind could debate AI into going rogue. I don't know about directly interfacing with technology like neural implants. I don't recall the flood ever working with technology beyond physically employing things like weapons/ships. Anyway, it's evident from the game that a proto gravemind can't do it.
In those lore videos guilty spark stated even when the forerunners switched to cybernetic bodies they still were infected
Yup, even promethean knights were still proned to flood influence. Although they were efficient in their own way.
That wouldn't make any sense, since the Forrunner's best hope of beating the flood conventionally was by mass digitising humans into robotic weapons.
That was their theory, but it didn't work due to the logic plague.
Is there any source you can point to on that? I'm pretty sure the real reason the promethus thing didn't work was because there wasn't enough humans, the flood infection was past the terminal phase, and the guy in charge of it was slightly insane from talking to a gravemind for too long.
Logic plague works on AIs and they corrupt them. The flood can still corrupt those knights and make them useless for combat. While the main issue is man power, its also an issue of the flood corrupting the knights more than they can produce them.
The whole point of the Constructor and Knight thing was to digitize the body and cleanse it of the infection in the process. But the Forerunners found that while the body was cleansed, the mind was also infected and there was nothing that could be done.
This is during when a gravemind is already fully established.
Human Weakness is a good read. Besides psychoanalyzing and deconstructing Cortana, the Gravemind could also quite literally tentacle-mindrape her and cause her to feel the same sensations as an organic and experience their memories.
Greg Bear's Mary Sue/Yog-Sothoth Flood on the other hand infected spacetime itself and had enough "processing power" to warp reality. It could fully reconstitute all its memories even from a fraction of itself that was put through a billion fucking years via accelerated time. They started off having to debate AI (taking a full 43 yeras to convert Mendicant Bias) to convert it, moved on to a digital version of itself that spread via self-replicating code, and by the end of the war could infect AI on contact or through memetics like an image or a phrase. They could condense thought itself into gigantic physical tentacles on the scale of AUs and use them to crush planets and detonate suns.
>They could condense thought itself into gigantic physical tentacles on the scale of AUs and use them to crush planets and detonate suns.
They could operate the Star Roads but didn't create them, those were created by the non-corrupted (assuming you believe the Flood are not part of the plan) Precursors way before.
>assuming you believe the Flood are not part of the plan
What do you mean by that?
People assume the flood are just "corrupted" precursors when they turned themselves to dust and aren't just the precursors experiencing life through another lens like they have done for so long.
More like the precursors just improvise on the new idea of the flood. The lore has stated that the flood is just a corrupted rebirth of the precursors that Wasn't exactly planned.
>Human Weakness
Who is the author? Searching "Human Weakness" doesn't get any hits.
Human Weakness didn't have its own book, it was a short story part of the wider Halo: Evolutions which contains some other excellent short stories like The Mona Lisa and The Return
That sounds great mostly, to bad the actual forerunners were written like complete trash
Bro followed the guidelines of the geneva convention against an eldritch god lmao
Not even an abomination will get past geneva.
thread theme
Why does halo have such a grip on /k/ that anytime a halo thread is made its guaranteed 70 replies?
Halo was a lot of kid's first experience with guns and military shit, inevitably they would come here after those seeds blossomed
Man I remember thinking WWZ and the battle of yonkers was the coolest shit, then I grew up and realized how fucking retarded it was
I just think of it like a stupid movie now. For all it's faults I still like the book.
Halo is so fucking based. I legit wanted to be a Spartan growing up. If the government kidnapped me to turn me into a super soldier to destroy aliens I would be all for it. *wink wink* you glowies.
fire the rings and start over.
gun
Atriox was such a gary stu. In the opening to Infinite, Chief uppercuts him. If that had been lore accurate, Chief's fist would have canoed through Atriox's face.
In the early books, Chief nearly got killed by a regular Brute in hand to hand combat. Atriox is peak Brute form. You're underestimating how strong those fucking apes are.
In the books, Master Chief once punched a banshee so hard that it flew hundreds of meters.
The books are so wacky and make things infinitely more OP and I love it. In the books, there are Warthogs driving at like 60 MPH or something and Brutes were easily catching up to them as they chased the Warthogs on foot. There's also a Nuclear bomb called the NOVA bomb that blew up around a Covenant colony that wiped out the entire side of the world killing billions and blowing up the moon just from the shockwave of the damn thing. Spartans can also dodge bullets.
That honestly reads more like he just hit it hard enough to send it out of control
In the games you have enough strength to blow up a fucking tank by punching it a few times.
You naysayers sound retarded.
I think we can all agree that the books jump the shark a ridiculous amount of times and never make sense compared to the games which are the only things that should really be trusted. And anything made by 343 isn't canon.
They are canon no matter what you think.
>Atriox was such a gary stu. In the opening to Infinite, Chief uppercuts him. If that had been lore accurate, Chief's fist would have canoed throu-
ACK!
Based. GODtriox deniers in the mud.
>Atriox was such a gary stu. In the opening to Infinite, Chief uppercuts him. If that had been lore accurate, Chief's fist would have canoed throu-
AAAAAAAACK!!!
>he’s not wearing a helmet
Well that’s literally just ignoring how the flood work
>it's okay when arbiter does it
shut up BITCH
No it’s equally stupid and I hate that it’s just ignored
The canonical explanation is that some people are more resilient against flood infections than others. While there's no way to prevent it, you can be resistant against their infections. Spartans, for example, are resistant due to their bodies being heavily modified to the point it makes it hard for the flood to infect.
>Spartans, for example, are resistant due to their bodies being heavily modified to the point it makes it hard for the flood to infect.
That's why Johnson wasn't infected despite being in the thick of it with Keyes when the flood captured him. His Spartan 1 augmentations made his nervous system sorta reject the flood. Maybe mass augmentations is how to stop the flood.
While true, it doesn't necessarily stop tje infections as it requires alot of exposure to get them infected. But messing around with the bodies helps in regards to not make them infected even if they are exposed to flood spores. The didact tried the same thing where he modified his body to be more resilient against flood infections, but even with forerunner tech, he still wasn't able to perfectly become immune.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Johnson was immune to the flood because he picked up a nerve disease from using a whole crate of plasma grenades. The radiation mess him up just enough that the flood didn't want him.
No, that disease is officially made up. The actual reason was that his augmentations that he got from the orion project made his body harder to infect.
ENTER. LORDTRIOX.
In our reality, the law of conservation of energy applies, so the Flood don't really present a threat.
Look at what covid did to human society, in spite of the best efforts of humans to stop it. The flood would consume humanity and probably do it faster than it took for covid to fuck everything. 6 months at most.
>look at what covid did
What exactly beyond a manipulation of fear?
Create a cult of people thinking its a nothing burger. There was a conservative youtuber that died of covid because he wouldn't take the shot(despite being fat along with other comorbidities) and thought covid was fake. The downplay of the threat is what caused it to spread.
Nothing you said added to my comment.
You're also ignoring easily findable evidence of statistics shenanigans and tons of "oh well after the fact hindsight is 20/20" things.
In any case. I was making a passing statement.
Keep it about Halo
The Space Bear species has been demonstrated to kill one of these with physical combat.
Atriox is the prime example of the species.
Movie-tier shenanigans aside, he is nearly a one man army.
i stopped paying attention to halo after 3 and man things sure went fucking stupid, didn't they
You missed Reach, which is a nice game.
i told myself i was gonna wait for the inevitable remastered pc release and the steam reviews make it sound like a hackjob
I played it like 3 years ago and it was fine. Just played the campaign, though.
yes, yes they did. even worse there are legions of people who'll defend this slop.
Why are you samefagging?
baffling schizo post
floodnaggers kneel
so is monkey's head stronger than bullets or some shit?
>TANKS a halo ring exploding under his feet
holy fucking SHIT chief bros.....
That was actually Sergeant Johnson in Halo one.
Any super advanced species would be able to easily mind control us
>implying they don't already
sissy hypno is a partial disclosure
>Implying they would need mind control
Imagine being the first smart ant queen and we come by and promise to win its stupid bug wars or give it sole control of an entire backyard or provide it with $30 worth of food, medicine, and resources.
It would probably do everything in its power to not piss us off, if it does we can spray them with advanced nerve gas or drop a heavy rock on their stupid ant city. I love that we'd be total gods to them. I can literally control the fates of millions of creatures. Anyway aliens would be scary
Depending on the species, an ant colony could also mcfucking kill you if you're caught sleeping. Imagine a large colony of formica rufa infiltrating your home through cracks and gaps and swarming you while you sleep.
Halo used to be so fucking good
I still have my physical copies and I finally have a physical copy of Reach
I loved everything about the original trilogy and Reach and it really sucks that we're never going back
Even MCC online sucks nowadays
The final warthog run in Halo 3 on the harder difficulties always got my blood pumping.
I remember not finishing Halo 3. The mission near the beginning where you rescue Sgt Johnson was just such a slog, with all those jackle snipers.
Would chemical or nerve agents be effective in containing/eliminating the flood?
Nobody ever tried that.
I’m not terribly familiar with the full lore of Halo, I’ve played the games up to Reach, and only read the fall of reach. so I wouldn’t be able to tell if you’re being sarcastic or not lol.
Honestly, there's nothing in the lore about trying it, other than vague references to WMDs barely slowing the flood down.
The way the flood usually spread was;
>Flood ship jumps into orbit
>Planetary defences destroy the ship in about 5 milliseconds
>Some flood spore makes it out of the wreckage after it crashes, or gets salvaged
>Flood starts spreading out of sight
>Big fight breaks out
>Either the flood wins or the planet is glassed (with some flood controlled ships inevitably jumping out to other systems)
Basically they were unstoppable once they got control of FTL ships.
Forerunner FTL was accurate to the atom unlike covie and human slipspace drives, so the Flood could practically jump into a city.
The war went on for centuries and was really more of an inconvenience for the Forerunners than some life or death struggle. It was only at the very end of the war that the Flood stopped holding back and revealed their true power level, then the Forerunner Empire was wiped out in like a week. There were 3 main factors that made it a curbstomp.
1. The Flood subverted the AI who had control over most the Forerunner military.
2. The Flood had control over ancient machines called Star Roads. Basically imagine unbreakable planet sized ribbons that you can move in any way you can imagine, the Flood used them to smash planets apart like a baseball bat hitting a egg.
3. Planet sized Flood called Keyminds that had the ability to shut down Forerunner tech throughout most of the galaxy. Imagine if the Brethren Moons didn't just fuck with your mind but were able to make your FTL and guns stop working from the other side of the galaxy.
Frankly that ANY Forerunners survived the war speaks to their resiliency as a species.
Ackshually, by the end of that book the Forerunners only "succeeded" because they were basically allowed to set off the Halo array as the Gravemind reveals to the Librarian at the last moment (Via literally resurrecting slain human commanders and sending them to her on Earth) that the Domain itself which was the record of everything the Forerunners ever did on top of being their internet, yada yada, was based on the same neural physics as the star roads and would promptly be destroyed with the firing of the array, which was the Flood's final act of revenge.
And then halo 5 changed all that (oh wait ackshually the domain survived) because the writing for that game was an utter confused clusterfuck.
I didn't say they succeeded I said some survived. The Flood intended for the Rings to be set off for the reason you stated, and they intended for the Didact to survive because he was brainwashed and turned into a ticking time bomb and the Flood found the idea of turning the Forerunner's greatest hero into a monster funny.
However some Forerunners survived and left the Milky Way with Bornstellar to start over somewhere else, which is something the Flood didn't want to happen because they wanted to kill all but the Didact as an act of complete revenge.
>neural physics
What? Like a brain?
Yes, as in brain. As in Halo, the Flood got super smart, they got SO smart that their smartness could be condensed into physical form and basically warp reality.
Yup, an example of it is the gravemind contacting the chief through telepathy.
Your basic Flood zombie is capable of taking an entire magazine of 5.56 or a few 8 gauge blasts without dying or losing any combat ability. They're strong enough to punch a armored super soldier who weights a thousand pounds across the room. Even you do cause enough damage to the bodies to get them to stop that doesn't mean you've killed them, the Flood can reuse the biomass from one of their downed soldiers to make more. Likewise it only takes a few second for a single zombie to latch onto a human and turn them into another flood zombie. Also also Flood zombies are smart and are perfectly capable of using guns and cars and stuff and everyone who gets absorbed into the Flood has all their knowledge become part of the Flood collective.
Unless the Flood show up on earth in the middle of a nuclear test area then earth doesn't really have any chances. If they land in a city they''ll start converting people and moving in all directions hijacking buses and cars and so on to expand further, 1 becomes 2 becomes 4 etc, one flood would be hard for an entire police department to kill and in a matter of minutes it's going to be thousands then millions and within hours they'll be everywhere, by the time people even think about using nukes it will be too late.
If they drop in the wilderness then basically the same thing will happen, the Flood are capable of turning anything with a nervous system into more Flood so they'll still expand rapidly, they won't immediately have access to guns and vehicles so the expansion will be a bit slower and s prepared military force will be able to at least slow them down but all it takes is one Flood form to make it to the ocean and earth will be done within hours.
What if the flood is good
>muh spores
>muh gravemind
>muh space magic
The Vang were the original Flood and they didn't need any of that crap.
Well everyone knows the Flood and nobody knows who the Vang are, I guarantee most people who read your post will just think you misspelled Vong.
I simply stick my dick in it.
would the supreme commander universe united be able to fight off the flood?
>i stopped paying attention to halo after 3 and man things sure went fucking stupid, didn- ACK
>yes, yes they did. even worse there are legions of people who'll defend this sl-ACK
Considering it's what looks like an organic lifeform most likely
If we are lucky and they land in the Sahara and detect them quickly, perhaps nuclear weapons can finish them off, but if they have time to spread over a wide area pasting it with nuclear weapons might pose an existential threat to humanity in itself. Chemical weapons are probably more effective all things considered, the world working together could easily outfit 1000s of aircraft to continually douse the area in some lethal chemical weapon developed during the cold war, perhaps also dump nuclear waste. Even so, it is possible one of the critters managed to hop through the desert and out of the target area.
If it lands in the Amazon, spreads rapidly and reaches the ocean before governments react, then we are faced with a different situation. The oceans contain an enormous amount of biomass and they will spread exponentially and begin invading every coastline. We would have to capture specimens and quickly figure out various chemical sprays and weapons that allow future post-apocalyptic civilizations with limited resources to fend them off.
Countries with a lot of coastline to protect and foliage and wildlife are in trouble, they will probably have to use a "scorched earth" strategy to create buffer zones between themselves and the enemy. Countries that manage to hold them off will then be faced with the massive poverty and instability while simultaneously maintaining a war economy. Desperate refugees calculated to inevitably starve to death and possibly carrying the spores present a harrowing situation. Most governments will rapidly collapse into ruthless dictatorships, yet they must assist one another since the enemy will develop intelligence and attempt defeat in detail. They must be aware if another country falls, the enemy will gain ground, grow stronger and be able to overwhelm stronger enclaves.
I’m surprised 343 has so many defenders in this thread considering they haven’t managed to write anything good in the last decade.
>I’m surprised 343 has so many defenders in this thread considering they haven’t managed to write anything good in the last dec-ACK
>look these guys are bigger and badderer then the covenant and no one knew about them!!!!!!
>and no one knew about them!!!!!!
First contact with the Banished and UNSC happened in 2550 when the Banished raided UNSC outposts. ONI watched them for years according to Halo Wars 2 lorebits.
>you have to play a spin-off rts to get the backstory for a mainline game
Big brain move 343
It's not 2006 anymore boomer. This information is readily available via Wikis or lore videos people make on Youtube. It's also not any different than the origins of the Covenant war. In Halo CE we were thrown into a ship battle. Who are these aliens? We figured that out but did the games ever explain why the war happened in the first place? Why do the prophets want to kill Humans? Why are these aliens in an alliance? That was explained in the books and other lore materials.
>We figured that out but did the games ever explain why the war happened in the first place?
Zoomers don't even know that games used to come with manuals.
https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/d/d9/HCE_PC_Manual.pdf
Soulful
>y-you have to read le manuals.....
But why weren't they explained in the games? By the way I like the manuals, I just think you're being hypocritical.
>But why weren't they explained in the games?
Because every fucking kid opened that shit in the car and read the entire thing before they got back home from the store.
>"hey, master chief, let me drone on about this fucking bullshit that could be easily summarized in a little booklet while you're trying to shoot aliens and have fun"
Halo Infinite did this shit with the Infinite Cutscenes by their Literally Who main villain. I couldn't finish that hot garbage and dropped it because I was tired of literally being locked in a room and forced to listen to a dude with a painfully gravelly voice yelling about how Master Chief did a bunch of shit to his mom's dog or whatever he was saying. Write it on a piece of paper and stop bothering me, I want to jump around shooting aliens and run them over in a dune buggy, I don't have time for your word sandwiches.
Why not? IIRC they're not one-use-only. You can download CE for free and use any activation key, even if it's already been used. That's what I did.
>Why not?
Bad joke, sorry.
>now people are whining that they explained too much
I'm ok with not liking "LE NEW THING" but everytime it's always some hypocritical shit and flip flop opinions. Did you hate the Gravemind giving a 5 minute long lecture to Chief and Arbiter in Halo 2? What about he Halo 3 scenes that slow your game down with Cortana and Gravemind talking?
That shit was widely hated in halo 3 and that doesn’t change the fact it sucks ass in infinite
Infinite has probably the least amount of cutscenes compared to gameplay in the series. Also you could run over aliens in cars and shoot them up all the time. It's a semi-open world game.
I’m not the anon you originally responded to. the core gameplay is one of the things 343 got right, the actual open world is pretty bland and boring after you spend an hour in it.
Maybe, but perhaps what's so grating about the infinite cutscenes is that they are all exactly the same, it's just some fucking orange hologram talking at you, saying he's hot shit, and that you suck, over and over
To bad the vehicles are made out of papermache and are weak as fuck
They buffed them in recent updates.
is that the fucking p'fhor
Have the box around here too, but its got the security key on it and I can't post THAT online.
343 sucks camel dick
>not that bungie was much better
>Eric Nyland's Fall of Reach was kino when reading it at 12 but Bungie pretty much ignored it
At least Bungie made it so you could play the games and understand the story without reading 50 shitty books
>Fall of Reach
My ninja
The banished are fine since they are just the covenant 2.0, the real lane bad guys are the endless
>the endless are an even bigger and evil threat then the flood
>never actually see it in game just constantly hear about it
Almost as lame as somehow Cortana has returned but is now evil
If we nuke the landing site from orbit instantly then we'd make it out
The hinge heads glassed half of Africa to stop a local infestation
No escape, only assimilation
I'm going to take this opportunity to say that out of everything 343 has done, these new Xalanyn are especially fucking stupid. Constantly coming out of the blue with somehow even more dangerous threats that were never fucking mentioned or alluded to before, and somehow these motherfuckers are supposed to be even more dangerous than the fucking flood? Fuck off.
Knowing 343 the next Halo game will be another reboot and the endless will be defeated in some novel.
>reboot
You clearly don't know what it means.
Please enlighten me you semantic nagger
The only thing 343 rebooted in infinite is the art style.
>in some novel
Halo 2 was exactly like that lol. The between CE/2 was left in the novels and the game didn't bother giving an overview to how chief got back to earth in the first place.
That shit didnt matter to the games story
Yeah but he was on a functioning space plane, getting back to earth was pretty trivial for master chief
How Johnson got back was retarded and everyone thought it was retarded when he showed up at the start of halo 2 tho
Compare and contrast to the events between halo 2 and 3
>how Johnson got back was retarded
The legendary ending is non canon. Johnson got back via a pelican or something and met up with the chief along with other marines that somehow survived with Johnson. They all hijacked a covenant ship and went back to reach and then destroying(if i remembered right) a covenant fleet before going back to earth.
Johnson survival was left out in CE. At the beginning of first strike,which takes place directly after halo:the flood/CE, Johnson managed to find a pelican along with other marines and escaped off the ring
Anon, it would've been easier to just make your post
>Flood Infected Spartans
to utterly devastate 343i. It isn't canon and can't be canon.
Never made sense anyways because if the spartans were immune then how the fuck did the incomprehensibly more advanced forerunners lose?
>didn't watch the halo 4 terminal
Spartans were never immune, but had resistance due to their augmentations. The forerunners tried their own methods of immunization through body modification, but that only made them resistant and they are still susceptible to flood infections if they are exposed enough.
>halo 4
"spartans are immune" was a thing that was running since halo 2, 343 retconning shit doesn't count
According to who? I don't remember them saying that they were immune.
nagger SPARTANs were always immune, Johnson being a member of the failed SPARTAN 1 program is the reason he was able to survive the first halo ring you dumb nagger
fuck off with your 343 headcanon homosexualry
>spartan were always immune
nagger, its been stated multiple times there are no immunity against the flood. Johnson is still susceptible to infection despite him being resistant.
nagger did you play Halo 1
Johnson survives being overwhelmed by the flood when they first encounter them, there's no way he would be alive if he was just resistant. IIRC there was talks about retconning the immune thing so they could say he just escaped due to skill but it was always because the flood just couldn't infect him
>halo 1
First strike confirmed that it was because his nervous system was harder to infect. But halsey still found traces of flood in him.
That leads more into my point that he's immune
His nervous system being harder to infect was a result of the SPARTAN 1 program, him having live flood cells in him would make him immune, it only takes a single spore to infect something, resistant would mean eventually he'd get transformed
I don't think you knoe what resistance mean. Resistance means that he can't get infected by a certain amount of something. But eventually he can get infected if he's been exposed more than what he can handle. Immunity means that you can't get infected no matter the amount you're exposed to.
>halo 4
Nobody stated that spartans are immune. It was accepted that they are resistant, which is entirely different from immunity.
>NOOOO 343 IS ACTUALLY SO DEEP AND INTRICATE YOU DONT EVEN KNOW
>B-BUNGIE DID IT TOO
343 fags are pathetic
>PrepHole is such cancer that the only good vidya threads happen on other boards.
/k/ is in the sweet spot of just being fast enough to have conversations and not being to fast that it just devolves into shitposting
In Halo 3 it's possible for Johnson's dead body to get infected on the final level because of a glitch, but he literally has a voice line for the exact occasion that goes "Ain't I supposed to be immune to this?"
Lmao cope more, spartans are immune it was an important plot point, you just can't take being wrong
Spartans being immune was never an important plot point nor was it really established.
It was established, an anon already made a post above stating how
Nowhere did it stated that he was immune.
lmao ok 343 baby, keep moaning and pissing your pants
Anon, show us where it directly stated that spartans are immune?
eat a dick homosexual
>dialogue thats supposed to be a joke
Lol, lmao even. Johnson stated himself that the flood did not proceed to go after him. In halo:the flood, jenkins was infected, but still concious due to a weak infection form. The flood in installation 04 were desperate and never bother to go through with Johnson due to how hard it is to infect him.
This is a dumb argument because Spartans have never been infected in Bungie or 343 canon and it isn't even known in 343 canon if they can be infected. Infected Spartans in Halo 4 Multi-player is a simulation not a real thing. However, it would make the flood really lame if they couldn't infect Spartans but could somehow infect forerunners who were incredibly more advanced than the Covenant and UNSC combined. They could create megastructures but couldn't just find a way to augment themselves?
Wait but he did get infected so he wasn't immune?
>get proven wrong
>enter mental gymnastics competition to cope
But anon if he turned into a flood then that is literal proof that he can be infected. How can you turn a blind eye against that?
>his only proof is literally a joke
>dude gets infected and turns into a combat form
>NO IT'S NOT REAL I DID NOT SEE JOHNSON TURN INTO A FLOOD!!!
>thing happens because of engine limitations
'NAH I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG"
>this is canon because I say so
>this other thing isn't because it goes against my headcanon
Now that's cope.
Post your proof a single member of any SPARTAN program has been infected by the flood in any of the lore, I'll even accept any of 343s retarded shit
The dialogue might be a joke, but it's the closest to anything confirmed, the reason it's a joke is because he's not supposed to be able to be infected you retards
Adding on to this, in the novelisation of the first halo game, Chief literally gets his armour penetrated by an infection form that penetrates his skin and almost hits his spine before it gets popped by cortana
>Post your proof a single member of any SPARTAN program has been infected by the flood in any of the lore
Johnsons body able to be infected.
FUCK
There has been no spartans infected, but the UNSC has 2 protocols in case one gets infected.
So 0
The answer is 0 (zero)
If the UNSC in lore has protocols like CORRUPTER and UPSILON, they are not really convinced that a spartan is truly immune in a theoretical scenario.
UNSC was ran by ONI, a bunch of glowies, of course they'd have protocols for just about anything
Yea, because they have access to some forerunner information, especially on the flood.
They made those protocols based on the information they have on the flood from the forerunners/UNSC encounters with them.
>more 343 lore
>says doesn't care if its 343
>proceeds to complain that its 343.
>use a dialogue thats meant to be a joke
>didact dying
He never died. Pretty sure the upcoming novels is about him.
>the didact
>not the Rookie, a literal playable character and badass
Oh yeah fuck 343 for letting a author kill off a game protag in a fucking shit novel
Spartans and Flood haven't been in contact outside of the Chief to really know if one can be infected or not. It's all hypothetical, even in 343 canon.
Its important to know that The Flood are only as powerful as the species they infect. Earth has a lot of animals that could become infected. So it truly depends where they land. However once they get to the point of using our guns it's basically over. If they establish a gravemind its beyond over
I give modern humanity a 1% of surviving. However it could take a year up to a few years
shotgun
Every Halo shotgun following the first one was complete ass
True. However Reach had a pretty good shotgun and while its ugly and 343 retarded design the Halo 5 shotgun is a literal great gun and is actually useful.
>enter Halo thread
>mention anything added to Halo in the last 13 years
>boomer shits and pisses himself in rage
yeah 343 shit is trash my dude sorry you have bad taste and extra sorry all their games bombed and the majority of infinity is scrapped now due to poor player turnout.
>boomers seething on queue
Kek.
>zoomer can't even make an argument
cope
>implying I wanted to make an argument
Lol, lmao even.
If they just went with the didact as the enemy in 5 it would've went all good. The biggest issue in 343 is the retcon everything because they don't have a backbone so if someone whines about something they try and reverse it between games. People whined about the Didact so they killed him off and decided to bring Cortana back. People whined about that so they retconned that. They don't want to finish a story. They somehow haven't realized that Halo fans are the most whiny fanbase in the world. They've been crying about new games since Halo 2 came out. Just stick to the damn plan and see how it plays out.
Guarantee that 343 will do it again in the next game even though the campaign was for the most part well received
>didact
>killed off
Didact is not dead lol. He's still alive, but digitalized.
>well ackshualy
what 343fags don't get is that 343 lore is an absolute pain to keep up with, much less get invested in, due to the sheer incompetence of the writers and the amount of retconning and backtracking they do every time their shitty writing gets called out.
>hey we have this ancient evil he's really powerful and stuff EXCEPT you kill him in a QTE and that's the end of his story
>PSYCHE actually he's alive through some mumbo jumbo bullshit that you have to read some obscure comic to understand, he's totally gonna be the main villain now
>ok we lied we killed him offscreen again. But you remember cortana now SHE'S the main villain and you're gonna have to defeat her to save the galaxy
>ok no one liked that idea so we're just gonna quietly write off that pivotal plot point by making her die offscreen (again) but HEY we got this super brute who literally has no weakness and easily beats up these characters who have been built up for years just like that
>for some reason he had to die offscreen like everyone else, giving you no chance for a moment of satisfying retribution or even bringing any closure to that rivalry but GUESS WHAT there's an even more dangerous ancient evil than the flood, ignore the fact that there's literally no mention of them anywhere except now but they're totally gonna threaten the galaxy like no one has before
At some point any sane man would just shake his head and dismiss anything 343 says as nonsensical fanfiction. Because that's about on par with the quality of nu-Halo's writing.
Anon, the didact got composed, he never got killed off. The new novels that coming up is specifically about him as a digital entity.
>The new novels
343 relies on those novels way to heavily, shouldnt need them to tell a cohesive story for a video game.
>The new novels
and this is 343 lore is garbage. I'm not reading your obscure extended lore just to find out about your pivotal ant's fate antagonist just because your writers are too shit to kill him off in a competent way. If the main story isn't worth following there's no way in hell I'm going to be interested in the books.
>pivotal ant's fate
pivotal antagonist's fate*
>spacevoldemort who went insane because he accidentally made himself immune to his superweapon in his search for a cure to the galactic threat had a secret weakness to his superweapon
Shut up Frank, nobody liked you at bungie and nobody likes you at 343
So glad he is gone, gave me some hope for the future of halo
>he is gone
He's still around, he's just in a position where he can do less damage. Damage is already done though and the only solution to halo is making halo 4 for real this time
>He went insane because-
who gives a fuck about the details of a mental defective's fanfiction
>tries to make shit up
>proceeds to get angry when corrected
Didact went crazy due to other reasons, but its not because he's been trying to find an immunity.
>this character is fucking retarded and here's just one reason why
>heh, you got this minor detail of this character's story wrong, even though it doesn't disprove your central point...
>I couldn't give less of a fuck and neither should you
>Lol you're mad
>The series is too well established to just throw it all away.
>the games that are universally hated by everyone except illiterate Hispanics and books that nobody is willing to read anymore actually matter, please validate the special needs man/womanchilds' fanfiction
First step to getting out of a hole is to stop digging.
Chief shouldn't have come back until H7 anyways, honestly, better poetically if H4,5, and 6 were all following characters like Arby, Rook, Jun, or Blue Team cracking down on insurgents and dealing with Guardians (Flaming Sword iconography, not giant needle-knights) and the Hushed Casket stayed sealed until 7.
>game universally hated by everyone
Halo 5/reach were the only games to be hated by everyone. Halo 4 was a mixbag and halo infinite was pretty positive aside from the lack of content. But yes, the series is too established to even think of a reboot. Reboots is also very lazy.
Infinite pigs unironically still believe there isn't anything fundamentally wrong with shartfinite.
>j-just reboot the story bro
Glad you're not in charge. Your ideas are even worse. Stop trying to turn halo into DC where there are reboots every decade. The series is too well established to just throw it all away.
He didn't went insane because of that lol. He went insane because he talked to the gravemind for years.
>he's still mad that brutes are stronger than Spartans
Spartans in terms of speed and strength are the equivalent of a sanghelli minor. Even with generation upgrades to the spartan armor, they are no match for brutes in terms of raq strength and speed.
Yeah the whole endless are the biggest bad guys even more badder then the flood is fucking dumb, we don't see them do anything in game just hear about how dangerous they are which is lame writing. Shoula just brought the flood back ngl.
>Zoomers can't handle when people tear apart their disney wars tier sloppa
>Cortana dies in Halo 4
>Somehow Cortana Returns but is evil in Halo 5
>Dies again in Halo infinite except you also get a new cortana 2.0
Who wrote this shit
Why is this thread so garbage?
When you have have a once popular series that has declined you get oldfags shitting on it and fags who will defend it endlessly for some reason
I see, that makes sense.
>and fags who will defend it endlessly for some reason
I have fun playing it and like a lot of the lore even if some stuff is dumb and unneeded like the endless. The secret is not taking it too seriously and trolling the oldfags. They get really mad it's pretty entertaining.
343 shill in the thread
>blames 343 for lore that Bungie came up with that he didn't like
HOLY SCHIZO
Essentially every negative lore is somehow associated with 343 lol. Even the whole spartan immunity thing was disliked by bungie.
That what happens when you continuously drop the ball, you get all the shit whether its warranted or not
Bungie lore was also dumb.
>there was a portal to the Ark open above Earth
>the gravemind has the entirety of High Charity under his control
>instead of flying into earth and leaving infection forms to take over the planet he randomly opened a portal that was on Mars (how did he do this? Who knows) and went to the Ark from there instead
No one in this thread gets that the danger of the flood doesn't come from how quickly it spreads but from how it manages to absorb the memories and intelligence from the life it consumes, exponentially growing its collective intelligence. Once it grows past its feral stage and develops a gravemind it can repair and pilot interstellar ships to spread even further, as well as outsmart its enemies and even corrupt AI. The forerunners thought they could contain it with technology but the flood constantly used their own tactics against them.
It doesn't matter if we have the weapons to fight against them or not, once it's infected enough biomass it's effectively unstoppable and we'd all be fucked.
>Once it grows past its feral stage and develops a gravemind it can repair and pilot interstellar ships to spread even further
Does it need to assimilate people that know how to do that or does it just 'figure it out' with hivemind gigabrain power?
t. Lore deficient outsider
It can either figure it out or just use the victims experience on how to fly it. They can also add their own modifications to the tech and improve on it. For example, the gravemind in high charity management to tune their slipspace tech to be more accurate by making precursors modifications.
So if a single flood organism ends up on a planet with shitloads of life but none of it sapient, it'd still ultimately be able to invent it's own ftl/spacefaring tech by gobbling up a whole lot of animals? That about right?
Yes, they will be able to figure it out somehow and they can be able to utilize other precursor techniques/abilities.
Damn, that's neat. Now i want to mix them with 40k 'nids and see what kind of horrid monstrosity that would create. Could probably make a whole game out of it.
Yes, the flood, if spread enough, also has the ability to infect space itself and can warp reality. However, the flood also has their own limitations, like even if they infect a place, they will still be isolated unless they managed to either produce their own ability to transport(probably take a long time or never depending on how far they spread) or find some retard that lands on the planet with a form of transportation.
How lovely. Either you get a containment failure because some retarded explorer picks the wrong planet to touch down on, or the flood eats one too many rats and grows a big brain.
I like it.
Yup, and the gravemind also never gets killed as their conciousness is essentially bound by space time. So even if you kill it, its knowledge and conciousness will be passed to the next gravemind that will form.
im making a game where you kill actually fairly similar aliens with picrel. Its a rough mock-up thats basically a bullpup'd g3. Give me your harshest, or nicest, opinions pls.
Similar to the flood... how, exactly?
If you want opinions on gun vs ayylmao i gotta know how the ayylmao works in terms of in-universe logic.
I'll start nuking your mom's pussy, threads dead anyways Bay Bee
>just use bullets bro
even IF he is slightly faster by the time chief bitch is using his next move GODTRIOX is already throwing a counter. no wonder master buck got turned into a fucking smear.
>gets hit by a gravity hammer and doesn't move
Chief is still OP as fuck
>gravity hammer
Its a gravity mace.
Tomayto Tomahto
If the flood can grow smarter/more capable by consuming anything with a nervous system to the point where it can warp reality, why would it try to go on the offensive at all? Seems like a smarter move to turtle up on one or two planets and gradually grow by farming animals. Minimal threat until godhood.
They can starve and their goal is to assimilate everything into the flood. They can't live without being able to sustain themselves with biomass.
How much biomass does it actually need to attain at least ftl tech, assuming it only gets subsapients? Because it feels like once it gets ftl, or even reality warping, it should be able to do whatever the fuck it wants. Spam out ftl fire ships to hit any interstellar species nearby to catch them unawares and consume a swathe of planets before they even realize they're under assault.
Probably an entire planets worth of biomass. The gravemind was able to utilize some form of reality warping when he tried to mess with chief om the first level and also on the level where you go on the infected high charity. It probably still requires alot of processing power to be able to build a transportation that is capable of slipspace jumps.
Then it sounds like playing the quiet game would by far be the best option. Be unassuming until you strike.
Not going to work when there are people out there to exterminate you. Which is why its also important to infect more and more as you gain more power/knowledge. The forerunners flood war was scary because forerunners slipspace was accurate to a T and the flood was using that to infect planets.
But why would they exterminate you if you're just an unassuming sludgemass, no threat to anyone? If they do move at you, the info comes to you and you have a defenders advantage.
Because you're literally infecting everything in plain sight and the flood purpose is to infect everything and assimilate everything.
Sounds like the flood isn't too great at tactics by it's very nature, then. I'm just saying, if i controlled it? If i were the gravemind? Total domination every time.
They are very smart, but again, their purpose is to assimilate and garner enough knowledge/processing power to infect more. They are just space god zombies.
this is why 343 tranny lore is lame and bad. before the flood still needed access to resources and form logistical chains. now they can just wait it out before summoning rainbow road to btfo everyone.
They still do that. The flood cannot sustain itself without establishing that logistic chain.
speaking of the flood, we just got a new story featuring them
Yup, a spartan got infected by getting overrun. Probably mirrors the way chief almost getting infected, except he doesn't have a smart AI to zap the thing before reaching the spine. Interestingly, the infection failed to completely control him.