Why do autists identify via road wheels instead of the obvious differences in t series tanks. Like they even do this with t90s vs t72s but they pretend like the only way to tell the difference between a T80U and a T55 is some autistic road wheel shit
that’s not fair, buran and energia were like the kid that makes it out of a gang infested ghetto only to get killed before graduating college because his dad owed the mob money or something. it was a legitimately good design and improvement on the US space shuttle, it just had the misfortune of being made by the soviets
>more bare bones T-55s in the year of our lord 2023 >approaching the frontlines no less
Russia and Ukraine have been using tanks are mobile guns for awhile. Neither side has enough for massive armoured thrusts (at the moment) so what they do is drive up a hill outside of a town or whatever, fire a few HE shells into the general area and then drive away. Ukrainian volunteers have said that they do that and sometimes spray 30mm cannon shit in general areas and then drive away. According to them it doesn't matter. A 115mm HE is the same as 125mm to them (as infantry) and they don't want ANY to hit near them.
Whether the Western MBTs will change how they use them I don't know.
That sounds dumb. What effect does tossing some HE in the general direction of the enemy achieve if your CEP is abysmal? Is it even worth the logistic burden?
Why do autists identify via road wheels instead of the obvious differences in t series tanks. Like they even do this with t90s vs t72s but they pretend like the only way to tell the difference between a T80U and a T55 is some autistic road wheel shit
>there is no difference between a T90 and a T55
Well, you're technically right.
>Mosin just as effective as Kalashnikov comrade.
In good hands — yes, it is as effective or even better than AK or any western rifle. Every tool works good in good hands.
>k told me Russians don't use pallets.
Russia doesn't use pallets for distribution past their rail stations. Shit is shipped in bulk on pallets, then those pallets are unpacked and trucks are loaded with mixed shipments without pallets with the pallets just left at the stations.
What? That's less believable than them not having pallets at all. That's insane.
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Ask yourself what is the stupidest thing you can do in a situation, that’s this war in a nutshell for Russia
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The best I can figure they either don't have enough equipment to work with the pallets in the field downstream so there's no point in repackaging them, they view repackaging the mixed shipments as a waste of time and can't simply send out mixed shipments by rail in the first place because of their logistics methods, they're destroying irreplaceable packing materials during the unpacking, or they just don't give a fuck.
But they're definitely doing this shit. Pictures of the fuckmassive piles of pallets by the rail lines and trucks full of loose shit being unloaded by hand are both floating about.
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Anonymous
I have had multiple arguments with “people” saying pallets don’t work in the field because the ground is too unlevel for forklifts. The concept of different types, bucket forks, or any other kind of equipment is foreign to them
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I think it would be naive to assume pallet technology hasn't propagated to Russia and be more reasonable to assume Russia built their entire army for defensive wars with the assumption that they would have their internal logistics networks to rely on, did zero planning, drills, or preparation for how to organize and supply their men in the field, and have basically been fucking winging it since.
You see that shit in other cases such as them not having any contingencies for fuel or secure comms or intelligence gathering or how they literally abandoned using BTGs in the middle of the god damn war.
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They don't use BTG's anymore because they suffered horrendous losses with them, and the troops they have replaced them with cant operate within that structure.
they firmly believe in their own propaganda, that they are so much smarter than the west for finding the tiniest possible niche a T-55 can still fill and then calling everyone else dumb for not having found that same incredibly tiny role for them
because it shows their tenacity, willingness to win, ingenuity, and reduced reliance on "high tech junk" compared to the west who threw away all their M60s instead of saving it for a rainy day
as if bringing out museum pieces against a country less than half your size was a compliment and their use in the battlefield anything other than a waste of human life
Ukraine's tank fleet is small and rarely encountered. You guys make a big deal about T55s but to an infantryman, there is little difference to him whether he is fighting a T90 or a T55. The tank will still blow up his trench and support its own infantry regardless. The T90s are being saved for when they get to blow up leopards and abrams at last.
>there are relic T-55s that belong in museums being shipped to the fucking frontlines in 2023 >not only is it a waste of fuel >it will inevitably end up with the crew dead against modern munitions >it will inevitably break down due to god knows how much rust >if everything else functions, its cannon barrel might break apart if put under even a moderate amount of stress
I hate Russians so god damn much, how are they this incompetent? For fuck's sake, there was a brief period of history where the whole world feared you and now you're reduced to literal North African-tier war equipment.
Genuinely don't understand the mentality. They stand up to light AT weapons about as well as IFVs, their guns aren't as well suited as the autocannons on BMP-2/3 at infantry support, they add additional complexity to the logistics chain due to not having part commonality with most vehicles, they need a lot of fuel, etc.
Hell, even as self-propelled field guns the Rapirawaggens the Ukrainians improvised out of MT-LBs are better due to the lighter logistical load and carrying capacity. The only use-case I see marginally making sense is as mobile bunkers, but the aforementioned vulnerability to any retard with a lightweight, disposable AT weapon is going to give it a bad day. It isn't useless but it's an atrocious degradation of capabilities
It's tribal cheerleading. These guys are reverse-vatniks. They can't think objectively, instead they steal reasonable takes and exaggerate them in ways tailored to make the opposing team sound worse than they are.
It's a standard mental failure mode among normies.
Case in point, I don't understand how you read what I posted and thought it was a positive review. I can't understand the mentality of the Russians deploying these because they have better alternatives except for use as tanks, where they're going to be piss poor on the offensive and a much lesser challenge than modern vehicles on the defensive, all at a disproportionate cost in logistics.
>they stand up to light AT weapons
moron, LAWs can achieve frontal penetration at about any angle.
Learn to read retard, I said they stand up as well as IFVs, which is not at all well particularly the Ruskie IFVs I'm referring to. I'm saying at offensively, they're worse than IFVs in many cases.
It makes sense as fire support against infantry, especially if you plaster on ERA ukrainian style. Think about when the last time you saw a tank vs tank engagement was. November maybe?
>fire support against infantry
Up close an IFV's autocannon is superior, a tank is only better due to it being protected firepower, the T-55 isn't well protected. From afar, Russian doctrine would tell you to saturate the area with artillery, and it does no better than something like the Rapirawaggen, which offers similar firepower with a much smaller logistical footprint. >plaster with ERA
No example thus far seen has had ERA nor the BDD applique armor. The Ruskies were improvising casings, which to this day I still am not sure whether they had an explosive element or if they were more than just applique steel plates, for T-72s. They've been reduced to using K-1/5 for some parts of their B3 Obr 2023s. What makes you think these will be plastered in ERA? Particularly when welding mounting points in a frontline workshop isn't going to be an easy task?
(Me)
I should add, tank on tank battles have no bearing on anything I've said. it is absurd to even debate that angle and I see no point even mentioning it.
>Genuinely don't understand the mentality
because only the truly desperate would ever consider using T-55s as anything other than museum displays
they have been consistently digging deeper and deeper into their warehouses looking for anything that has tracks and a gun when the ukranians have begun trading their obsolete T-64BVs for T-72B3s
framing the use of T-55s as anything other than a desperation move is foolish
>North African-tier war equipment
North Africa is actually well equipped in terms of modern MBTs
Egypt has 1300 M1A2s, 1000 M60s and 500 T-90SAs, Morocco has 300 M1A2 and another 600 modernised M60s and Algeria has 600 T-90SAs and about 1000 older updated models
In comparison, before the war, Russia had 300 T-90s, 500 T-80s and 2000 T-72s in active service
Russia is turning Sub-Saharan Africa-tier at this rate
no because there's only like 20 left in the world and most are just museum models. That being said, the IS-10s or whatever are a "possibility" of showing up in some form
>simple >vehicle in widespread use >good mileage >lots of carrying capacity >armored against shrapnel (and small arms fire), all that it needs to be armored against
I still remember the hodgepodge versions of these in the beginning of the war and I thought that while it was a good use of the captured materiel, it wouldn't really be up to par in this modern war. Little did I know we'd see the reds pull out fucking T-55s and make these look like good self-propelled field guns by comparison.
Russian propaganda actually claims armatas are there but they're too stealthy and shoot from such a distance the enemy doesn't notice them. And that since the enemy is so weak, they're not needed in large, noticeable numbers.
T55
All are going to get fucking destroyed.
T-14 armata
How can HATO even compete?
They can't, they got rid of their natural predator, the M60 back in early 90's, HATO pigs are done
Trips of can't tell if anon is being ironic or is a product of the Russian education system.
Ukraine got ultra-pimped T-55 months ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4m6WZK1VDg
>gap between the 1st and 2nd road wheel
>bore evacuator at the tip of the barrel
Looks like a T-54 or 55.
Why do autists identify via road wheels instead of the obvious differences in t series tanks. Like they even do this with t90s vs t72s but they pretend like the only way to tell the difference between a T80U and a T55 is some autistic road wheel shit
Because the visual difference between a T-54/55 and T-62 is literally down to the road wheels and where the bore evacuator is.
Nah the variants in Russian service look completely different from t-54/55s
The T-62 turret is a lot flatter and less dome shaped.
blind moron
Dumb moron. The T-62 turret has a very different geometry.
T-55s and T-54s have a lot of overlap, so you need knowledge to distinguish them, not roadwheel autism. Go get knowledge instead of being an incel.
Armata looking rough these days
If Russia is winning so hard why are they putting conscripts in these mobile coffins
name a Russian vehicle that isn't a mobile coffin
Admiral Kuznetsov, an immobile coffin
The tanks that shoot. Those are immobile ones.
Moskva, an immobile coffin
Buran shuttles, they're immobile funeral pyres.
that’s not fair, buran and energia were like the kid that makes it out of a gang infested ghetto only to get killed before graduating college because his dad owed the mob money or something. it was a legitimately good design and improvement on the US space shuttle, it just had the misfortune of being made by the soviets
Armata. It doesn’t run. Also doesn’t exist
At least there will be spare parts for the M-55s
>more bare bones T-55s in the year of our lord 2023
>approaching the frontlines no less
I just hope they'll use them as bad SPG rather than awful infantry support.
Why hope? Are you a masochist? Do you enjoy disappointment?
Russia and Ukraine have been using tanks are mobile guns for awhile. Neither side has enough for massive armoured thrusts (at the moment) so what they do is drive up a hill outside of a town or whatever, fire a few HE shells into the general area and then drive away. Ukrainian volunteers have said that they do that and sometimes spray 30mm cannon shit in general areas and then drive away. According to them it doesn't matter. A 115mm HE is the same as 125mm to them (as infantry) and they don't want ANY to hit near them.
Whether the Western MBTs will change how they use them I don't know.
That sounds dumb. What effect does tossing some HE in the general direction of the enemy achieve if your CEP is abysmal? Is it even worth the logistic burden?
A tank is a tank. T-55 is no less effective than any Leopard or Abrams if used properly. And Russians know how to use their tanks, be it T-90 or T-55.
>there is no difference between a T90 and a T55
Well, you're technically right.
Mosin just as effective as Kalashnikov comrade.
>Mosin just as effective as Kalashnikov comrade.
In good hands — yes, it is as effective or even better than AK or any western rifle. Every tool works good in good hands.
Good. Good. Now go assault those trenches. Remember not one step back!
k told me Russians don't use pallets.
>k told me Russians don't use pallets.
Russia doesn't use pallets for distribution past their rail stations. Shit is shipped in bulk on pallets, then those pallets are unpacked and trucks are loaded with mixed shipments without pallets with the pallets just left at the stations.
What? That's less believable than them not having pallets at all. That's insane.
Ask yourself what is the stupidest thing you can do in a situation, that’s this war in a nutshell for Russia
The best I can figure they either don't have enough equipment to work with the pallets in the field downstream so there's no point in repackaging them, they view repackaging the mixed shipments as a waste of time and can't simply send out mixed shipments by rail in the first place because of their logistics methods, they're destroying irreplaceable packing materials during the unpacking, or they just don't give a fuck.
But they're definitely doing this shit. Pictures of the fuckmassive piles of pallets by the rail lines and trucks full of loose shit being unloaded by hand are both floating about.
I have had multiple arguments with “people” saying pallets don’t work in the field because the ground is too unlevel for forklifts. The concept of different types, bucket forks, or any other kind of equipment is foreign to them
I think it would be naive to assume pallet technology hasn't propagated to Russia and be more reasonable to assume Russia built their entire army for defensive wars with the assumption that they would have their internal logistics networks to rely on, did zero planning, drills, or preparation for how to organize and supply their men in the field, and have basically been fucking winging it since.
You see that shit in other cases such as them not having any contingencies for fuel or secure comms or intelligence gathering or how they literally abandoned using BTGs in the middle of the god damn war.
They don't use BTG's anymore because they suffered horrendous losses with them, and the troops they have replaced them with cant operate within that structure.
those are captured ukrainian pallets
the russians are using them as awkward table chairs
When do you think that mosin was last sighted in? 1948?
We’ve reached the point I can’t tell if it’s just trolling, copypasta, or unironic ziggers
How many layers of irony is this post wrapped up in?
its honestly hard to tell with russians
they firmly believe in their own propaganda, that they are so much smarter than the west for finding the tiniest possible niche a T-55 can still fill and then calling everyone else dumb for not having found that same incredibly tiny role for them
because it shows their tenacity, willingness to win, ingenuity, and reduced reliance on "high tech junk" compared to the west who threw away all their M60s instead of saving it for a rainy day
as if bringing out museum pieces against a country less than half your size was a compliment and their use in the battlefield anything other than a waste of human life
>a waste of human life
Eh, Russians make good fertilizer for the sunflowers.
>And Russians know how to use their tanks, be it T-90 or T-55.
They're outstanding at telepathic mine detection.
T-14 Armata Obr. 1951
Fake. Is clearly photography of JNA tanks in Slovenia circa 1991.
That's is neither the same picture, nor the same model, not even the same color.
Are they using it as artillery or are they going full retard and assaulting with it?
T-54/55 unmodernized
Which is hilarious and sad
"The efficiency and high quality of Russian weapons have been clearly shown,” Putin said earlier this year."
Now i remember the "modernized army" documentaries.
Well the modern ones have proven themselves now he can show off the antiques.
More like Centurion or M48
Ukraine's tank fleet is small and rarely encountered. You guys make a big deal about T55s but to an infantryman, there is little difference to him whether he is fighting a T90 or a T55. The tank will still blow up his trench and support its own infantry regardless. The T90s are being saved for when they get to blow up leopards and abrams at last.
PrepHole can't even tell it's a T-54?
obvious T-55
you circled the loader hatch
picrel T-54
You can clearly see the mushroom dome in front of the loader's hatch.
size and shape doesn't fit to be the vent
though both hatch and vent had different variations and i might not be aware of this shape
not sure what you both are talking about, but it's just a fan? even the earliest versions of T-54 had it.
It's the ventilator dome, a T-54 only feature.
T-14
NATO is finished.
At least it’s not an IS-3 yet.
>YET
give it a month.
not even trying with this shoop are you?
You are a worthless retard
are you retarded? the location is blurred so it can't be geolocated (easily).
do you think anyone is gonna believe this dogshit excuse, you dumb retarded shill?
My moral is demoralized how can the west compete
>there are relic T-55s that belong in museums being shipped to the fucking frontlines in 2023
>not only is it a waste of fuel
>it will inevitably end up with the crew dead against modern munitions
>it will inevitably break down due to god knows how much rust
>if everything else functions, its cannon barrel might break apart if put under even a moderate amount of stress
I hate Russians so god damn much, how are they this incompetent? For fuck's sake, there was a brief period of history where the whole world feared you and now you're reduced to literal North African-tier war equipment.
Genuinely don't understand the mentality. They stand up to light AT weapons about as well as IFVs, their guns aren't as well suited as the autocannons on BMP-2/3 at infantry support, they add additional complexity to the logistics chain due to not having part commonality with most vehicles, they need a lot of fuel, etc.
Hell, even as self-propelled field guns the Rapirawaggens the Ukrainians improvised out of MT-LBs are better due to the lighter logistical load and carrying capacity. The only use-case I see marginally making sense is as mobile bunkers, but the aforementioned vulnerability to any retard with a lightweight, disposable AT weapon is going to give it a bad day. It isn't useless but it's an atrocious degradation of capabilities
It's tribal cheerleading. These guys are reverse-vatniks. They can't think objectively, instead they steal reasonable takes and exaggerate them in ways tailored to make the opposing team sound worse than they are.
It's a standard mental failure mode among normies.
Case in point, I don't understand how you read what I posted and thought it was a positive review. I can't understand the mentality of the Russians deploying these because they have better alternatives except for use as tanks, where they're going to be piss poor on the offensive and a much lesser challenge than modern vehicles on the defensive, all at a disproportionate cost in logistics.
Learn to read retard, I said they stand up as well as IFVs, which is not at all well particularly the Ruskie IFVs I'm referring to. I'm saying at offensively, they're worse than IFVs in many cases.
>they stand up to light AT weapons
moron, LAWs can achieve frontal penetration at about any angle.
holy shit you need a lesson in reading comprehension. moron
It makes sense as fire support against infantry, especially if you plaster on ERA ukrainian style. Think about when the last time you saw a tank vs tank engagement was. November maybe?
>fire support against infantry
Up close an IFV's autocannon is superior, a tank is only better due to it being protected firepower, the T-55 isn't well protected. From afar, Russian doctrine would tell you to saturate the area with artillery, and it does no better than something like the Rapirawaggen, which offers similar firepower with a much smaller logistical footprint.
>plaster with ERA
No example thus far seen has had ERA nor the BDD applique armor. The Ruskies were improvising casings, which to this day I still am not sure whether they had an explosive element or if they were more than just applique steel plates, for T-72s. They've been reduced to using K-1/5 for some parts of their B3 Obr 2023s. What makes you think these will be plastered in ERA? Particularly when welding mounting points in a frontline workshop isn't going to be an easy task?
(Me)
I should add, tank on tank battles have no bearing on anything I've said. it is absurd to even debate that angle and I see no point even mentioning it.
saw a single ukie t72 holding off an armored column like 3 weeks ago fag
>Genuinely don't understand the mentality
because only the truly desperate would ever consider using T-55s as anything other than museum displays
they have been consistently digging deeper and deeper into their warehouses looking for anything that has tracks and a gun when the ukranians have begun trading their obsolete T-64BVs for T-72B3s
framing the use of T-55s as anything other than a desperation move is foolish
iran probably has more modern tanks than russia does right mow
Don't insult north africa like that.
>North African-tier war equipment
North Africa is actually well equipped in terms of modern MBTs
Egypt has 1300 M1A2s, 1000 M60s and 500 T-90SAs, Morocco has 300 M1A2 and another 600 modernised M60s and Algeria has 600 T-90SAs and about 1000 older updated models
In comparison, before the war, Russia had 300 T-90s, 500 T-80s and 2000 T-72s in active service
Russia is turning Sub-Saharan Africa-tier at this rate
Will we actually see T-34s in action? Place your bets, people!
no because there's only like 20 left in the world and most are just museum models. That being said, the IS-10s or whatever are a "possibility" of showing up in some form
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>Russgeschootze
Loving every laugh
>simple
>vehicle in widespread use
>good mileage
>lots of carrying capacity
>armored against shrapnel (and small arms fire), all that it needs to be armored against
I still remember the hodgepodge versions of these in the beginning of the war and I thought that while it was a good use of the captured materiel, it wouldn't really be up to par in this modern war. Little did I know we'd see the reds pull out fucking T-55s and make these look like good self-propelled field guns by comparison.
fucking kino, slap a balkenkreuz on that shit
But can it Ratsch-Bumm?
Russian propaganda actually claims armatas are there but they're too stealthy and shoot from such a distance the enemy doesn't notice them. And that since the enemy is so weak, they're not needed in large, noticeable numbers.
t54, t55, t62, t64, t72, t80, t90 all look the same to me
>that turret shape
>5 roller wheels
>bore evacuator at the front
yup, T-55/T-54
prepare to see T-34 Obr 2023 this christmas boys
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