>but how fit should I be to be combat effective?
Being able to push/pull your own weight, being able to sprint and then shoot without being out of breath. Being able to run flights of stairs with kit/gun, and put down a threat. The guy who puts rounds on target first wins >Would following military PFT standards help?
yes, shoot for national guard level of fitness. 70 pushups, 70 situps, less than 15 min 2 mile run.
Start with 15-20lbs, build stamina/endurance around that for a while, then go up 5-10lbs. You don't want to jump straight into 40-60lbs if you're not already built as it's going to risk injury and delay further training. Even trained people can herniate a spinal disc doing too much weight.
np. trust the process anon. physical fitness is about consistency. do it often, do not injure yourself by doing too much at first. you should seek to be training for the long run, over the course of years, that's when you really notice muscle growth and overall fitness benefits, not just after 2 months (although you will slowly notice progress by then). I remember waking up one day after 2-3 years of training and being built as fuck, people complimenting me, etc. it wasn't over night. Good luck
>trust the process anon. physical fitness is about consistency. do it often,
This 100%. Don't expect miracles overnight or get demotivated because there's not a huge difference after a couple of weeks. Keep at it and you'll start gradually seeing the results, and then you'll start getting fitter and then doing more and it will become a big exponential increase. Consistency is key.
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Not always true. At least in my case. I've been with a PT for the last 5 months and I've never been able to do more than 15 pull-ups. I had tried working out a few times before this on my own with similar results and blamed it on me fucking it all up somehow so I went and paid for a PT this go around. Effort doesn't always equal success.
1 month ago
Anonymous
It took me a few years of working out to actually start getting noticeably stronger and bigger. I think your body is still getting used to hard physical activity. Everyone is different. Don't get discouraged. Eat lots of high protein foods, drink lots of water, and get decent rest. Take it one day at a time. Godspeed anon
>yes, shoot for national guard level of fitness. 70 pushups, 70 situps, less than 15 min 2 mile run. >just go for the laughing stock levels of fitness bro
Or you could just get fit and go for 5 miles, 150 pusjups, situps and pullups in 15 minutes, then hit at least 5 out of 6 targets at the 300m range with the M24 while standing.
>150 pusjups, situps and pullups in 15 minutes
DYEL retard these standards make no sense >150 situps
easy >150 pushups
very hard >150 pullups
world record
>national guard >being capable of running 2 miles at all, much less in under 15 minutes
almost every post in this thread either wildy overestimates or underestimates the fitness level of soldiers which tells me a lot of you turds hardly do any exercise at all except to run up the stairs of your mom's basement to grab more hot pockets from the goddamn microwave
Larp or bait post. Unfortunately there are idiots on this board who won’t know any better and think that most national guard men can run a sub 15 2 minute mile
>Soldiers stay fit because they get paid to be fit. >I gained 50 lbs after retiring.
That's just because you have no self respect. When you have a family that depends on you for protection, keeping yourself in shape is a must. Being a fat slob is not a good model for your children either.
yeah I live in a rural area too, then while I was sleeping a few years ago some 6'4 guy started smashing out windows with his bare hands and eventually gained entry. had seconds to react before my family member/dog would have been killed/harmed. Had to shoot and kill him while he was charging them. Training is not even fucking hard, 10 minutes a day of burpees/pushups/squats/pullups/dips is all you need. Again, self respect. I'll be damned if I'm gonna only live here for a few short decades and not be in the best shape possible
>he’s afraid of other races of people
Why are white boys so sensitive and afraid? I never understood why they act so superior on this board but then proceed to post milquetoast statements like this.
Lot of guys are only in shape in the military because the work out 4 hours a day. I'm not doing 2 hours of organized PT every morning and then hitting the gym in the afternoon while I wait on notes. Fuck off.
I feel the ACFT is a better standard despite the slow run times as it actually requires some strength which the PFT did not address. Sometimes youll have to move heavy objects and that should not be discounted
The Army's fitness manual is free on the internet like the rest of them. You can see not just the PT test (sled drag, hex bar DL, leg raise, run, etc) but also the drills and conditioning programs that you're supposed to train with plus diet and planning tips. This is what the Army says is best which I rate as like a B+, as somebody who does personal training and has a CSCS.
Your training needs to include: resistance training, conditioning, endurance. So lift weights, do high intensity full body conditioning, and run or ruck. For a noob you can do Starting Strength with the addition of 3 sets of chin ups (or lat pull down) on 1 or 2 of your lifting days, 30-60's once a week, and a long walk uphill unweighted (use treadmill) or run once a week. All domains of fitness are mutually supportive. Strong people ruck more easily. Running makes rucking easier. Combat fitness requires back to back high intensity weighted efforts of running and crawling and carrying shit, which benefits from strength and conditioning.
The most important thing you can do for fitness is educate yourself. The American College of Sports Medicine has position papers online that explain stuff. Read books. YouTube. The only thing that makes military fitness different than other stuff is the need for endurance and high intensity conditioning in addition to strength. This is why the PFT changed to what it is now.
And to answer your question minimum capabilities for combat I think should be: ruck 10k successfully without giving up, 5 pull ups, bench press 60% of bodyweight 5 times, 1 mile run in 10
minutes, deadlift 225lbs at least once. These are low standards obviously but its the minimum I think is needed for combat effectiveness in a relatively low-intensity conflict for an average soldier in an average or below average military. You can and should do better but that's the minimum. If you're in an insurgent or defending your property or some kind of US collapse situation then the standards are lower: just ruck 10k, jog 2 miles without giving up, can do a few push ups, and be not-fat. Being not-fat is the main thing.
Endurance is more important than peak performance. A mid fit guy that can hold to his best for months on end eating shit rations and limited sleep and no exercise is much better than a guy that's going to break down because he can't get enough pre-workout powder.
Well what exactly are you planning for? Effective is a relative term.
Peak effectiveness would probably be natty af and borderline endurance runner/climber but there will be significant adjustments if you're planning on lugging around heavy shit. I once had a chill PTI who could run circles around everyone all day erry day and lift his skinny weight over obstacles which made him much more useful but most PTIs focused on their arms because it would be effective at impressing other men.
My overall advice would be to take up climbing/hiking because it's the activity that you will be doing much more of and stresses endurance over power. You can also get a gf who will be about the weight you want to be able to carry and help build stamina, you can get one of those right? Just talk to her.
>but how fit should I be to be combat effective?
Being able to push/pull your own weight, being able to sprint and then shoot without being out of breath. Being able to run flights of stairs with kit/gun, and put down a threat. The guy who puts rounds on target first wins
>Would following military PFT standards help?
yes, shoot for national guard level of fitness. 70 pushups, 70 situps, less than 15 min 2 mile run.
>with kit/gun
So around 40-60lbs?
Start with 15-20lbs, build stamina/endurance around that for a while, then go up 5-10lbs. You don't want to jump straight into 40-60lbs if you're not already built as it's going to risk injury and delay further training. Even trained people can herniate a spinal disc doing too much weight.
Hey anon. Thanks for your advices.
Gonna start with rucking and jogging around with added 20lbs of weight.
np. trust the process anon. physical fitness is about consistency. do it often, do not injure yourself by doing too much at first. you should seek to be training for the long run, over the course of years, that's when you really notice muscle growth and overall fitness benefits, not just after 2 months (although you will slowly notice progress by then). I remember waking up one day after 2-3 years of training and being built as fuck, people complimenting me, etc. it wasn't over night. Good luck
>trust the process anon. physical fitness is about consistency. do it often,
This 100%. Don't expect miracles overnight or get demotivated because there's not a huge difference after a couple of weeks. Keep at it and you'll start gradually seeing the results, and then you'll start getting fitter and then doing more and it will become a big exponential increase. Consistency is key.
Not always true. At least in my case. I've been with a PT for the last 5 months and I've never been able to do more than 15 pull-ups. I had tried working out a few times before this on my own with similar results and blamed it on me fucking it all up somehow so I went and paid for a PT this go around. Effort doesn't always equal success.
It took me a few years of working out to actually start getting noticeably stronger and bigger. I think your body is still getting used to hard physical activity. Everyone is different. Don't get discouraged. Eat lots of high protein foods, drink lots of water, and get decent rest. Take it one day at a time. Godspeed anon
>15 min 2 mile run.
You should really be getting no more than 13 minutes absolute maximum on a bad day
Why
>yes, shoot for national guard level of fitness. 70 pushups, 70 situps, less than 15 min 2 mile run.
>just go for the laughing stock levels of fitness bro
Or you could just get fit and go for 5 miles, 150 pusjups, situps and pullups in 15 minutes, then hit at least 5 out of 6 targets at the 300m range with the M24 while standing.
>t. DYEL
>150 pusjups, situps and pullups in 15 minutes
DYEL retard these standards make no sense
>150 situps
easy
>150 pushups
very hard
>150 pullups
world record
>national guard
>being capable of running 2 miles at all, much less in under 15 minutes
almost every post in this thread either wildy overestimates or underestimates the fitness level of soldiers which tells me a lot of you turds hardly do any exercise at all except to run up the stairs of your mom's basement to grab more hot pockets from the goddamn microwave
>national guard level of fitness
Larp or bait post. Unfortunately there are idiots on this board who won’t know any better and think that most national guard men can run a sub 15 2 minute mile
Soldiers stay fit because they get paid to be fit.
I gained 50 lbs after retiring.
>Soldiers stay fit because they get paid to be fit.
>I gained 50 lbs after retiring.
That's just because you have no self respect. When you have a family that depends on you for protection, keeping yourself in shape is a must. Being a fat slob is not a good model for your children either.
Who am I protecting my family from, squirt? I live in a rural area and haven’t seen a darkie in over 7 years.
yeah I live in a rural area too, then while I was sleeping a few years ago some 6'4 guy started smashing out windows with his bare hands and eventually gained entry. had seconds to react before my family member/dog would have been killed/harmed. Had to shoot and kill him while he was charging them. Training is not even fucking hard, 10 minutes a day of burpees/pushups/squats/pullups/dips is all you need. Again, self respect. I'll be damned if I'm gonna only live here for a few short decades and not be in the best shape possible
And then everybody clapped.
meth zombies
>he’s afraid of other races of people
Why are white boys so sensitive and afraid? I never understood why they act so superior on this board but then proceed to post milquetoast statements like this.
Very weird.
You’re just a fat lard ass who has no respect for his own body or health.
Lot of guys are only in shape in the military because the work out 4 hours a day. I'm not doing 2 hours of organized PT every morning and then hitting the gym in the afternoon while I wait on notes. Fuck off.
you can get a good workout done in about 30 minutes if you bust ass. dont be lazy
Same. Doesn't help that I don't have some PrepHole gay who looks like a lobster shouting at me anymore.
I feel the ACFT is a better standard despite the slow run times as it actually requires some strength which the PFT did not address. Sometimes youll have to move heavy objects and that should not be discounted
The Army's fitness manual is free on the internet like the rest of them. You can see not just the PT test (sled drag, hex bar DL, leg raise, run, etc) but also the drills and conditioning programs that you're supposed to train with plus diet and planning tips. This is what the Army says is best which I rate as like a B+, as somebody who does personal training and has a CSCS.
Your training needs to include: resistance training, conditioning, endurance. So lift weights, do high intensity full body conditioning, and run or ruck. For a noob you can do Starting Strength with the addition of 3 sets of chin ups (or lat pull down) on 1 or 2 of your lifting days, 30-60's once a week, and a long walk uphill unweighted (use treadmill) or run once a week. All domains of fitness are mutually supportive. Strong people ruck more easily. Running makes rucking easier. Combat fitness requires back to back high intensity weighted efforts of running and crawling and carrying shit, which benefits from strength and conditioning.
The most important thing you can do for fitness is educate yourself. The American College of Sports Medicine has position papers online that explain stuff. Read books. YouTube. The only thing that makes military fitness different than other stuff is the need for endurance and high intensity conditioning in addition to strength. This is why the PFT changed to what it is now.
And to answer your question minimum capabilities for combat I think should be: ruck 10k successfully without giving up, 5 pull ups, bench press 60% of bodyweight 5 times, 1 mile run in 10
minutes, deadlift 225lbs at least once. These are low standards obviously but its the minimum I think is needed for combat effectiveness in a relatively low-intensity conflict for an average soldier in an average or below average military. You can and should do better but that's the minimum. If you're in an insurgent or defending your property or some kind of US collapse situation then the standards are lower: just ruck 10k, jog 2 miles without giving up, can do a few push ups, and be not-fat. Being not-fat is the main thing.
Endurance is more important than peak performance. A mid fit guy that can hold to his best for months on end eating shit rations and limited sleep and no exercise is much better than a guy that's going to break down because he can't get enough pre-workout powder.
>combat effective
Well what exactly are you planning for? Effective is a relative term.
Peak effectiveness would probably be natty af and borderline endurance runner/climber but there will be significant adjustments if you're planning on lugging around heavy shit. I once had a chill PTI who could run circles around everyone all day erry day and lift his skinny weight over obstacles which made him much more useful but most PTIs focused on their arms because it would be effective at impressing other men.
My overall advice would be to take up climbing/hiking because it's the activity that you will be doing much more of and stresses endurance over power. You can also get a gf who will be about the weight you want to be able to carry and help build stamina, you can get one of those right? Just talk to her.