Perun

What did you think about Perun's latest video? Are (attack) helicopters becoming obsolete?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think we don't need a thread for every single video that a YouTuber makes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Especially zero-effort threads like this one.
      And full of zero-effort posts as well.
      Anons should probably go play Dominions to learn patience, practice their reading comprehension as well as their ability to analyze data.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Zoomers ruined PrepHole

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, equipment is not obsolete just because it suffers combat losses.
    This is sensationalist bullshit to get clicks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, that's what he says in the video.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But it is inferior. Obviously attack helis are very useful if you're invested in them already, but if you're buying fresh equipment you can get 20+ TB2s per Apache which comes out to hundreds x more loiter time. Manned helis are no longer a cost-effective offensive weapon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >TB2
        You also need 60 trained people to pilot those TB2s in addition to several times the maintanence staff as a single Apache.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Several times less, akshully.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It takes fewer people to maintain 20 drones than a single AH-64

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah. It's a big advantage and one of several making drones superior.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The advantage of drones is that you don’t lose any people when they di. Do you have a source to back up your claim that drones have less than 1/20th the maintenence fleet of proper manned aircraft?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah its true compared the helio guys and manned aviation most of our day is just sitting around waiting for landing and takeoffs.
                100 hour PMI is like an hour long and the 500 hours is 4-8 depending how motivated people are.
                No life support or cockpit stuff which is what makes up a lot of manned aviation mx just engine stuff mostly.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Addendum Jets>>>>>>>>

                [...]

                in terms of MX requirements as well.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you serious? Helicopters are a maintenance nightmare. Anything with a man in it is a maintenance nightmare.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        At work so I don't know if this is covered in the video but I would not compare the TB-2 to an attack helicopter, more to one of picrel, a cheap armed helocopter.
        But that makes me wonder why attack helicopters cost so much to begin with? What about it makes it 40million dollars compared to a 10 million dollar helicopter with some missiles on the side?
        Also I wonder how cheap you could make a budget attack helicopter. So a TB-2 costs 5million, would it be possible to make say a 10-12 million attack helicopter with 20mm cannon and 4 to 8 missiles? How would it fair vs the Apache?
        Finally would a drones attack helicopter be a good idea?
        Anyone got some insight?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          for the 64 in particular? 100% optics and sensor suites. we put a fuckload of expensive electronics in these things to make sure you can not hid from them. That guy doesn't have 6 cameras, radar sets, RWR, laser warning and a billion other systems pluged into it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bullshit to get clicks
      >the answer is given right in the fucking thumbnail
      How do you manage to function in daily life?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree with youtuber because I have no opinions of my own.

      >Are tanks obsolete?!
      >Are helicopters obsolete?!
      >Are warplanes obsolete?
      >Are paratroopers obsolete?!
      No Russians are just fucking retarded. So much ignorance coming out of this war from armchair warlords.

      Perun is a brainlet

      [...]
      No one is going to watch a shitty video from some jerk-off YouTuber who thinks they are an expert even though it is pretty clear they are under the age of 25.

      As I said last Perun thread before I had to leave (sorry, the internet I connected to on holiday blocked PrepHole) Perun is a copelord tier """"expert""""
      No they're not obsolete, yes they have become BVRM/cargo platforms with a secondary use for mopping up areas with shitty annoying terrain, they were used extensively at the start of the war effectively enough even with many being shot down in the end because Russia sucks.

      Just because Russia sucks with something doesn't make it obsolete fuck you Perun you fucking hack.

      Did you see this "no" in parenthesis right after the question? What do you think this means in this context? Please, just take your time and ponder this reading comprehension dilemma by yourself.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Holy shit

      This post has shown me how many people here can’t even be bothered to read the OP before replying to it

      >Are tanks obsolete?!
      >Are helicopters obsolete?!
      >Are warplanes obsolete?
      >Are paratroopers obsolete?!
      No Russians are just fucking retarded. So much ignorance coming out of this war from armchair warlords.

      [...]
      No one is going to watch a shitty video from some jerk-off YouTuber who thinks they are an expert even though it is pretty clear they are under the age of 25.

      As I said last Perun thread before I had to leave (sorry, the internet I connected to on holiday blocked PrepHole) Perun is a copelord tier """"expert""""
      No they're not obsolete, yes they have become BVRM/cargo platforms with a secondary use for mopping up areas with shitty annoying terrain, they were used extensively at the start of the war effectively enough even with many being shot down in the end because Russia sucks.

      Just because Russia sucks with something doesn't make it obsolete fuck you Perun you fucking hack.

      Worse than illiterate

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >how many people here can’t even be bothered to read the OP before replying to it
        Have you seen how good bots have gotten? I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a couple of bots trained to fuck around in these threads.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, just use it properly. Apache were used to destroy Iraq Missile defense.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Are (attack) helicopters becoming obsolete?
      Attack helicopter as hunter/killler concept never made sense.

      >just use it properly
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_attack_on_Karbala
      >Let's all forget about the only time the hunter killer concept was implemented by pitting a sizeable contingent of attack helicopter against it's "prey" a sizeable armor formation.
      At least they proved apaches have good armor.

      https://i.imgur.com/5gOeAG9.jpg

      At work so I don't know if this is covered in the video but I would not compare the TB-2 to an attack helicopter, more to one of picrel, a cheap armed helocopter.
      But that makes me wonder why attack helicopters cost so much to begin with? What about it makes it 40million dollars compared to a 10 million dollar helicopter with some missiles on the side?
      Also I wonder how cheap you could make a budget attack helicopter. So a TB-2 costs 5million, would it be possible to make say a 10-12 million attack helicopter with 20mm cannon and 4 to 8 missiles? How would it fair vs the Apache?
      Finally would a drones attack helicopter be a good idea?
      Anyone got some insight?

      Light helicopter (cheap) + ATGM (the longer the range the better) were always the right solution. Today a drone + atgm is the new meta.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are (attack) helicopters becoming obsolete?
    Yeah, Russia showed us that. Blackhawk down showed us that. The time of small vehicles on the ground or low to it, is up. Hand held Missile systems have advanced too much and become so cheap, that it doesn't make much sense to spend millions on a tank or helicopter, that can be shot down by a $20,000 missile.

    Long range accuracy and small arms is now king. Funny, it's almost like a video game. Where you finally get enough kills to spawn a tank or helicopter, then when you do you get 10missles instantly shot at you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >like a video game
      This is why you're wrong and dumb, and it's like saying infantry are obsolete because guns exist.
      You will always need direct fire support. You will always need highly mobile fire support. APS exists and works. Russia sold them all. Flares, chaff, and ewar usually work. Russia clearly lacks warning systems or effective countermeasures.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what russia lacks the most is modern sensors and armament, which forces them to use suicidal tactics to achieve anything with their helicopters.

        If you're going in with vietnam-style high speed rush while lobbing their shitty rockets everywhere against a modern adversary of course you're going to get fucked up. You could still do better with a change in tactics but you just won't get the same capability and flexibility without modern weapons.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      shoulder fired missiles are great for defence, but I can't really see zerg rushes of rocket troopers working too well on offence

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You lack vision.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      obvious bait, stop responding

      20k missles my ass btw, unless unguided entirely

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I heard that an infantry guy died once, I guess that means infantry is obsolete, too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there isnt a single piece of military hardware that doesnt have a cheaper counter to it because thats essentially a requirement for it

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I agree with youtuber because I have no opinions of my own.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there are things only helos can do
    as long as there are things only helos can do they are not obsolete

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much the thrust of the video. He also takes a detour to explain that seemingly-insane Russian behavior is not just open retardation but known doctrine from their manuals. Now, is it GOOD doctrine? That's not the question he wants to address.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the End of X? Is X now worthless on the battlefield?

    Just because Russians suck ass using X doesn't mean its worthless.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    he didn't even read the picture, it says (no) right on it

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    russian weapons are obsolete. attack helis rule and are a very valuable asset for providing CAS and setting up ambushes.

    They are also supreme anti tank platforms. Only systems like spike NLOS or brimstone, and these are much less mobile, lack their own sensors and are generally more vulnerable. They are cheap enough that you can keep them in several places that could be covered by a heli and targeting data can be provided by other means but they are still just an alternative nonetheless.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >russian weapons are obsolete
      It's kind of funny that Soviet/Russian systems are better developed in ex-Warsaw/Soviet NATO countries (and China) than in Russia itself.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are tanks obsolete?!
    >Are helicopters obsolete?!
    >Are warplanes obsolete?
    >Are paratroopers obsolete?!
    No Russians are just fucking retarded. So much ignorance coming out of this war from armchair warlords.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dude...
      Perun says all of that is clickbait and retarded
      op pic is proof people only read headlines/titles

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/IT3jURm.jpg

        I always get kind of mad when people on PrepHole make comments on things that show that they haven't actually seen them. Like when I haven't seen something I just don't put in my two cents, but people on here are saying "what the fuck this guy is a retard, of course helis aren't obsolete." It's maddening and makes me wish I hadn't been addicted to this site for 12 years.

        No one is going to watch a shitty video from some jerk-off YouTuber who thinks they are an expert even though it is pretty clear they are under the age of 25.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Okay, how about read the pretty picture in the OP then? Can you do that for me buddy?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even the the headline says "no".
        Anons are just desperate for validation so they need to disparage the random amateur doing PowerPoint presentations on Youtube.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But the A-10 is obsolete 🙂

      t. Eglin AFB info team

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's insane lmao
      >US loses barely any abrams, literally no crews
      >russia loses hundreds (thousands?) of tanks
      THIS MUST MEAN TANKS ARE OBSOLETE

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"There are no upper limits to [Sino-Russian] military cooperation."
      For television race subnormals, his briefs might be better than nothing (or talking head corporate news).

      With proper anti-air suppression, helicopters run riot -- there has to be other combined arms threats converging to distract/displace mobile SAMs and manpad toting infantry. Russia isn't doing that effectively and doesn't have the pilots + flight hours for them to be risking it in suboptimal engagements. It's to Ukraine's shame that that stalled convoy in striking distance of Kiev wasn't wasted by helis -- I guess we'll see what happens with all those Polish T-72s if they ever get them concentrated enough for an old time armored counter offensive.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        US helicopters have never operated in combat with prolific manpads

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There were plenty of manpads in Iraq in the first go, and then in Afghanistan for a brief time.

          They simply used them better by doing SEAD and supporting them from the ground instead of using them as independent assets.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always get kind of mad when people on PrepHole make comments on things that show that they haven't actually seen them. Like when I haven't seen something I just don't put in my two cents, but people on here are saying "what the fuck this guy is a retard, of course helis aren't obsolete." It's maddening and makes me wish I hadn't been addicted to this site for 12 years.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Yukari

      some black kid in my music class showed me /b/ in 2006 and I've regretted it ever since

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/I0omGY7.jpg

      some black kid in my music class showed me /b/ in 2006 and I've regretted it ever since

      My half arab friend showed me /b/ in 2007 and ever since you have been trapped here with me.

      This place changes you if you stay long enought, sometimes I even pretend to be retarded.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        out of curiosity was the other half white

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No one is going to bother wasting their time on the 9001th youtuber shill thread, especially some literally who nobody knows or cares about.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So long as VTOL transports are being used there will be a need for VTOL protection.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lol, that would mean paratroopers have outlasted them
    So much for being their replacement

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Referencing Air Mobile or Air Assault operations with defensive troop carrying craft
      > While discussing Attack Helicopters in the OP and video mentioned
      Anon... I...

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao at the boomers ITT.
    You are like the retards that kept using human waves against trenches in ww1 and didnt belive in automatic weapons.

    >attack helicopters are obsolete
    Yes they are expensive, takes a lot of time to train pilots and in a real war not only MANPADS but also SHORAD systems would wipe them out, Ukr war is a poor example because both sides have shit AA that does not work manned by slavic subhumans
    >tanks are obsolete
    Yes to make a tank survivable against modern AT you are looking at 15mil cost per unit which is not affordable even for the US if they are to take 1k+ casualties, plus guided artillery btfos tanks and armored vehicles like no tommorow,there is ni counter to this.
    >planes are obsolete
    Almost there, again drones are much cheaper but you will need aircraft to contest the air space, but the days if ground attack or CAS are coming to an end for the manned fixed wing aircraft.
    >artillery is the Czar of the battlefield
    Yes, tube arty with guided munitions, high precission rocket arty, all this with drone spotters integrated is the present and future of warfare, again Ukraine is a shit example because both sides are using shit from the 60-80s.

    Tldr The actual future of warfare is well trained higly equiped 6ft+ gigachads with tons of equipment rolling in lightly armored cheap, fast vehicles with a bunch of handheld rocket systems and small drones, supported by highly precise artllery and drones.

    Boomer generals are going to get millions of retards like (you) killed with their arhaic mentality clinging to their outdated machines, but its alright because Malthus was 100% correct.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s been a long time since I agreed with a post on PrepHole wholeheartedly.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pierre Sprey you are dead, wtf are you doing shitposting on a mongolian basket weaving forum from beyond the grave

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tfw all future wars will be fought between a tiny number of special forces with numerous drones vs gazillion insurgents who'd churn out babies faster than them getting killed by JDAMs and GMLRS's.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >tons of equipment rolling in lightly armored cheap, fast vehicles
      And they'll fucking die. You can say tanks and IFVs are too vulnerable to ATGMs and guided shells all you like, but if you try to actually take and hold ground with light vehicles only all your blokes will get shredded by shrapnel and machine guns. Look at what happened to the VDV troops in BMDs at the start of the war.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but if you try to actually take and hold ground with light vehicles only all your blokes will get shredded by shrapnel and machine guns.
        you send cheap drones first to scan around

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and what happens when someone decides to just dump 5-10 155 rounds your way?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but its alright because Malthus was 100% correct.
      have a nice day filthy fucking commie hippie moron.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This whole mentality is unironically third world cope. If you honestly think first world nations that have at the ready disposal the brainpower and income to throw at stuffing effective counters into MBTs and ground support aircraft and the training to make the users proficient at using them, then you haven't been paying attention. It's like fuckers throughout history keep making the same fucking mistakes and they somehow forget the inherent "rock, paper, scissors," back-and-forth nature of warfare technological progression.

      Tanks exist, and as a function of their nominal existence, they offer too many utilities to ever be considered obsolete to anyone with the means to overcome the hurdles presented by those seeking to mitigate inherent utility of the machines in question on the battlefield. The same applies for attack helos and CAS, generally. There currently isn't any obstacle presented to these systems that defines an unacceptable cost-benefit analysis for the nations that can afford to maintain their fleets as relevant and effective. The entirety of the US MIC alone, for all its faults and shortcomings, is evidence of why some third world shithole with enough toys and lots of light mechanized infantry will get annihilated by a US ABCT, MAGTF or similar NATO force-structure. Or what, you think the US MIC will balk at the idea of mass producing a fucking gajillion per unit tank if they can actually justify it? You'll never sell the idea to normie congressmen that "muh tanks are obsolete, stahp maekin em lmao."

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"There are no upper limits to [Sino-Russian] military cooperation."
        For television race subnormals, his briefs might be better than nothing (or talking head corporate news).

        With proper anti-air suppression, helicopters run riot -- there has to be other combined arms threats converging to distract/displace mobile SAMs and manpad toting infantry. Russia isn't doing that effectively and doesn't have the pilots + flight hours for them to be risking it in suboptimal engagements. It's to Ukraine's shame that that stalled convoy in striking distance of Kiev wasn't wasted by helis -- I guess we'll see what happens with all those Polish T-72s if they ever get them concentrated enough for an old time armored counter offensive.

        Yeah, the whole 'just spam nod rocket troopers bro' mentality doesn't really take into account just how much force concentration and mobility is possible with armor and air support working together. It doesn't really matter if you're more theoretically cost effective after the enemy has got past your lines and destroyed all your supplies and artillery.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The actual future of warfare is well trained higly equiped 6ft+ gigachads with tons of equipment rolling in lightly armored cheap, fast vehicles with a bunch of handheld rocket systems and small drones, supported by highly precise artllery and drones.

      So you're telling me the highly armored multimillion dollar tanks with APS and counterfire radar is going to become drone and artillery fodder, but your jeep with no roof is invincible? And those superprecise drones with top tier optics are somehow unable to locate your 6ft supersoldiers? And so your super modern artillery thats 80km away can't fire it's guided munition on their position?

      What we're witnessing in UA right now isn't the obsoleteness of helicopters and planes and tanks (although we're seeing how obsolete 1970s dumb rockets and tanks without optics, radar and APS are) - we're witnessing the abysmal failure of not using electronic warfare. If your enemy is using drones to attack you, you probably should be looking at ways to defeat drones. Jam signals, spoof signals, hide thermal signatures. Those are the things that will become more important than ever.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This but they’ll only roll up outside of the AO.
      Send Snipers to take out windows to all the buildings.
      Deploy mini drones that fly in and quickly scan each building.
      If the drones detect anything that moves the house gets liquidated by artillery.

      Then they properly clear out any stragglers and post up with their equipment.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >uh oh, an interior door is closed!
        What's the next step in your master plan?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but its alright because Malthus was 100% correct
      >t. retard too fucking stupid to understand that humans are capable of increasing their own ecological niches' respective carrying capacity

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, even Russians had a Vitebsk system on a newer helicopter, that effectively shout down one IglaStinger missile, so you should use 2-3 shooters. The problem with Russians is their idiotic tactics often eliminate the advantage in armament

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Test

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Perun is a brainlet

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not his best, just kind of waffling with nothing meaningful to say.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Networked section level mortars that can calculate their own fire solution when??

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As I said last Perun thread before I had to leave (sorry, the internet I connected to on holiday blocked PrepHole) Perun is a copelord tier """"expert""""
    No they're not obsolete, yes they have become BVRM/cargo platforms with a secondary use for mopping up areas with shitty annoying terrain, they were used extensively at the start of the war effectively enough even with many being shot down in the end because Russia sucks.

    Just because Russia sucks with something doesn't make it obsolete fuck you Perun you fucking hack.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You seem to be both retarded and bitter about it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shut the fuck up Perun half your shit is lifted from your gay little discord and google you're not an expert about anything.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >No they're not obsolete
      Oh, so right as it says in the thumbnail then? Tell me, does it hurt being this stupid?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This moron wanted to buy Bayraktars for Australia you think I'm gonna waste my time on his moron tier clickbait

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >This moron wanted to buy Bayraktars for Australia
          [citation needed]

          >moron tier clickbait
          Again, how is it clickbait if the video's conclusion is spelled out in the fucking thumbnail already? Stop breathing through your mouth.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Watch his drone video lmao, I'm not gonna skim the whole 25 minutes of aids lecture just for you.
            It's still clickbait that's why the no is smaller you fag.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Okay, so you admit that you were lying and cannot provide evidence of your claim, got it.

              Also
              >his eyes are too shitty to read words that are the same font size but not capitalized
              Sounds like it all-around sucks to be you, anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >He doesn't know how people manipulate other people that skim read headlines
                Shame your area of expertise is limited to shitting on people for being human, the evidence is in the thread moron.

                >Proooooofs
                People that actually watched all his videos will attest to his dumb retarded idea to buy bayraktars I'm sure.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the evidence is in the thread moron
                Yeah, exclusively in the form of mouthbreathing wastrels like yourself who start foaming at the mouth before even finishing reading the sentence (and therefore missing the clear "no" summary).

                >I'm sure
                I'm sure that you are such a fundamentally dishonest person that you will never ever come clear and admit to lying despite now having failed thrice to back up your assertion.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >his moron wanted to buy Bayraktars for Australia
                >"the lesson of the ukraine conflict is not that Tb-2 is a wunderwaffe and you should buy a thousand of them"

                Kill
                Your
                Self

                You're trying to pass off ignorance as skepticism because you can't read between the lines so you're just using a blanket approach. Like a fucking retard.

                Lol ok

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Where
                Does
                He
                Recommend
                That
                Australia
                Buy
                Bayraktars,
                Idiot
                ?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >his moron wanted to buy Bayraktars for Australia
          >"the lesson of the ukraine conflict is not that Tb-2 is a wunderwaffe and you should buy a thousand of them"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > (sorry, the internet I connected to on holiday blocked PrepHole)
      Literally no one gives a shit. Judging by the rest of your post you are a colossal retard who didn't watch the video and feels the need to comment.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Someone gave a shit because they asked me to reply on the last Perun thread.
        have a nice day you humungous gay.
        Perun is a twitter noname larping as an expert, if you can't see where he's wrong every five minutes on basically every video you don't belong on this board.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So who is what you'd consider an expert? Or is your internet going to cut out again from posting too much CP?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty much 0 youtubers are experts. Virtually none of them know what they're talking about. Being hyper critical of Twitter users that aren't actually in the military should be the first thing you should be doing, the rest follows on from there.
            Resorting to CP slander means literally nothing on this board or to me, since it's a stupid claim.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're trying to pass off ignorance as skepticism because you can't read between the lines so you're just using a blanket approach. Like a fucking retard.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck off with your ecelebs

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like him because he makes retards seethe. I have yet hear anyone actually engage his reasoning on any topic.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The reality with Perun is that he provides decent commentary and analysis based on what information is available to the general public. No, he isn't some military genius who's going to predict the exact position of the next offensive or which Russian general is going to get whacked based on super-sekrit documents only he is privy to. But what he does provide is better than 90% of what is out there, from whatever narrative CNN is pushing to some retards on PrepHole shilling for/against their hardware of choice.

    Part of the problem is he'll say stuff like "I don't call stuff game changers because wars are massive complex operations and changing one variable rarely means the entire thing turning out different, but HIMARS has given the Ukrainians capabilities the Russians appear to be struggling to counter," and you'll see this portrayed as "Perun said HIMARS will win the war for Ukraine".

    Probably the most meaningful criticism people seem to gravitate towards is that he'll talk for an hour on a subject only to come to a relatively boring or status quo answer. But the fact is that for most questions the answer is something boring involving incremental improvement and evolution, rather than the exciting thing people want to hear like "Javelin means the tank is obsolete".

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >he'll talk for an hour on a subject only to come to a relatively boring or status quo answer.
      That's fine, though. Not everything is or should be sensationalist and it's better to err on the side of too much set up for your answer, especially if you're trying to be conscious of both propaganda and propaganda-cautious viewers.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >(no)
    But his point was that yes, it is, except for policing shitholes where AA consists of a PKM mounted on a Hilux.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what do “we” think of *youtuber*
    We think “have a nice day immediately” and “morons tongue my anus”

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >we
      Who are you quoting? OP asked what YOU think. Do you have an opinion or are you just here to screech and be triggered because a youtube channel was mentioned?

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    > Probably the most meaningful criticism people seem to gravitate towards is that he'll talk for an hour on a subject only to come to a relatively boring or status quo answer.

    That is the point though. In life, the conclusion aren't often what are important. It is the way you reach them. Yes, Perun's conclusions are often boring and indecisive. But as new information comes up, it can feed back into the same machinery that produces (maybe) a different conclusion.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He literally doesn’t say that

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All frontline aircraft is obsolete. Yes. (Unless you're fighting an enemy who has no missiles like American gunships having fun with ragheads in iraq.)
    For transports in safe airspace behind the front - no.
    Planes and choppers can be just another platform to launch long range missiles from. A more mobile flying/hovering himars. Nothing more. Other than that all warfighting planes are obsolete.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Arguably frontline aircraft can still catch out large swathes of an attacking forces anon. Cover is a hell of a shitter and being peppered with 30mils and rockets not every group is gonna remember to pick up the manpad before they're all dead and not every tank/IFV group has effective AA even now.
      Whether they are cost effective is another thing, but once they're built they're effective enough.
      We haven't really seen aircraft mass spamming cluster munitions on clumps of attacking tanks.
      You remember all those tanks held up in that one image because they commander was blown up? That would have instantly been utterly devastated by directly dropped cluster munitions if the USAF saw that shit lmao, not amount of AAA would have stopped some F-16 pilot drooling over that shit

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish he would go back to dominions content. Our other YouTubers aren’t exactly great.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT people so stupid they dont even read the whole title

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget about making shit up about videos they haven't watched.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's probably just another thread to dunk on Perun without even watching his presentation.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    While on the subject of videos related

    Brand new video from Rosoboronexport. Sosna, has some range and height specifications.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who's still gonna buy R*ssian arms after the shitshow in Ukraine?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        India, China, Iran, Syria.
        More than 50% of the world's population. Cope harder, US moron.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Iran is exporting to Russia right now, due to being a more industrialized, more high-tech nation.
          Syria is gone.
          China is decades ahead of Russia.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >bunch of towelheads being more industrialized
            They have drones, and that's about it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        India's already cancelled orders.
        China has been decreasing sourcing from Russia for years because even their very low standard is higher than Russia's.
        Iran? A backwater with a crippled economy.
        Syria? A destroyed backwater with no economy. The only way they're buying Russian arms is if you give them the money to do it.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Helicopters are the most efficient vertical takeoff aircraft.
    They will continue to be used to deliver firepower rapidly to where it's needed whilst using minimal infrastructure.

    It's simply likely that they will lean more on longer ranged and in-direct weapon systems to maintain standoff and their defensive systems will improve (IE self defense lasers) to improve survivability.

    This is a lot like those people who say that aircraft carriers are obsolete, it might be possible that the concept of a super carrier and the carrier battle-group is obsolete, but a floating airbase is always going to be useful.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russian helicopters have always been obsolete

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're just going to get replaced by chopper drones

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