Pentagon weighs sending Stryker combat vehicles to Ukraine

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/09/pentagon-stryker-combat-vehicles-ukraine-00077083

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That thing will change nothing. Ukraine is going to loose in Soledar and Bakhmut, and after that, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk will be a matter of a few weeks for RuAF to capture.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ukraine is going to loose in Soledar and Bakhmut,
      This time for sure.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How many weeks, do you think? More than one, less than three?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Great example of how vatmoron bots derail threads. Look at the first two posts (as of the time of writing only posts in this thread)

      https://i.imgur.com/2MYKswt.jpg

      >Ukraine is going to loose in Soledar and Bakhmut,
      This time for sure.

      How many weeks, do you think? More than one, less than three?

      . They do it on purpose and every time you gays fall for it.
      Now every post is going to talk about this cope instead of talking about how Strykers will fare in Ukraine. Good job, everytime you respond to this gay sitting in his bot farm in Petersburg he gets 10 rubles to his bank account.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We already know how well strykers will fare in Ukraine
        They are literally just Bradleys with wheels so they will fare about as well as the Bradleys do

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you think they'll have an easier time with Slavyansk and Kramatorsk than with Soledar and Bakhmut? Took them half a year to capture those

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Soledar and Bakhmut, and after that, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk
      Yes but they're going to fight them all the way back to the river like at every tree line it's going to take forever.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >200 days of daily "Bakhmut captured" threads
      >Now it's 200 more days of "Soledar captured" threads

      And then when Ukraine pushes front 100km in few months it's going to be some another village in the middle of nowhere that's suddenly the most important battle of the war.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you aware the fact, that bakhmut and soledar are pretty far from the possibility to throw UAF into collapse.
      Its not a disorganised shitshow like the russopigs

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >a few weeks
      Yes but how many exactly. Somewhere between one and three?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bakhmut will soon be resisting more than Stalingrad
      Except Stalingrad was the third biggest city in the Soviet Union, Bakhmut is a small provincial town

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Seems like we are sending a LOT of stuff right now. Is everything OK?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No. The Ukraine is losing hard both in Donbass and in the south near Zaporozhye, their offensive in Lugansk also stalled. That's why Nato now is in panic mode since they thought that Russia will stop, but it ain't stopping.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cool, since you are winning and this stuff will not make a difference, maybe stop crying about it and threatening to nooooooooook everyone.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Everything is fine, could be better. As for the "a lot of stuff" being sent its leftover garbage, mostly from the cold war. We are saving money by sending them over instead of maintaining a gorillion armored vehicles. You dont mind that, right?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you have kept an eye on what is being send recently, it is all heavily offense equipment.
      Probably preparations for the spring offensive to push ruskies off from the eastern ukraine. I'd keep an eye if someone starts thinking about sending naval or heavier aerial assets, as that would mean that the plan is to push ruskies from Crimea too.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If you have kept an eye on what is being send recently, it is all heavily offense equipment.
        50 Bradleys and 20 Marders aren't enough to launch an offensive. Most likely they won't even be used at the frontlines, but will be sold on the black market by the Ukrainians with profit shared between Zelensky and his partners from Dem party, like it has been with at least for HIMARSes and many other types of equipment.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There is talks to send 400 Leopard 2s to Ukraine.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I am Joe Blogski of Nebraska Oblast and this post has demoralised me.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Proof. Since there is none, i'll just call you a gay.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This, just last week my cousin in Rome was mugged by a gypsy with a Bradley

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Seems like we are sending a LOT of stuff right now. Is everything OK?
      Most of what we've been sending them is great for creating the type of stalemate we've seen, leading to a war of attrition. ATGM's to stop the mechanized advances, SAM's to keep their air force at bay, HIMAR's to destroy their logistics and artillery to stop their infantry. With NATO's PGM's and intel sharing we've seen the material side of their military which was their greatest strength vastly weakened, tanks, IFV's, artillery and such has been greatly reduced in numbers.
      Now the new strategy seems to be that aid is switching over to offensive gear to take territory back. They are gearing the Ukrainians up become a large highly mobile force that can break through and potentially cut off large portions of the Russian army. It should be an interesting Spring.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Bakhmut thing turned into an artillery meatgrinder so it's obvious that any counteroffensive is going to need armor. Too much fucking artillery.

      Stryker isn't a bad choice, I heard a bunch of Bradleys are getting sent over.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine is in full defense mode. There are basically no movements from their side and their armored brigades they usually use for offensives are spread out out of artillery range all along the front to act as firefighters in case of dangerous breakthroughs.
      Basically they're waiting out the winter and planning a major offensive in spring while the west gives them more gibs for it. Its most likely a coordinated action.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        just looking at the force composition for Bakhmut I was expecting an impending counteract

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Into a russian force six times its size? I doubt it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they're about to take kreminna and svatove

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're literally just performing a holding action on Bakhmut with the minimum required units to hold it while they're attacking Svatove and Kremina.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are Strykers any good? Can they at least compete with BMPs?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a roof above your head.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Looks pretty comfy tbh

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oh man imagine sitting in there and suddenly little pieces of metal start flying around

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Armor is roughly the same
      I’d argue the gun is better than the weapons on the bmp 1 and 2. Compared to the BMP-3, however, it could go either way.
      It has wheels instead of tracks which could be either good or bad

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Armor is roughly the same
        But BMP doesn't have armor. I watched some Ukrainian military blogs where they complain that even M113 armor is better.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a BTR equivalent, it isn't meant to fight BMPs and will get rekt if it tries.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's a touch more than that. All depends what they send.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A fart in the wind could vaporize everyone inside a BMP. It'll do fine.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >BMPs

        BMPs are hot garbage, always have been and always will be. Ukrainian troops literally say the fucking M113 is better, and it's not even an IFV. They're such deathtraps that troops take their chances riding on the roof rather than be inside them.

        As a general rule, ALL American equipment is better than ALL equivalent Russian equipment. For literally any piece of Russia equipment, there's a better American version.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the MGS variant is supposed to be getting retired anyway, mine as well just give them to Ukraine tbh

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This, the real question is why they are doing it now. Logistics? Maintance? Quantity still needed?

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should give it yesterday along with Attack-'Ems and F16s.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >they can be mounted with a 105mm main gun
    Sounds pretty gucci, does anyone know about how maintenance intensive they are?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maintenance on any such beast is easy if parts can be had which is obviously not a big deal.

      t.fighter fixer and mechanic on an absurd variety of stuff

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    JUST
    SEND
    THE
    FUCKING
    TANKS

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Powerful armoured vehicles like Strykers

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hey I used that in CoD MW2 campaign

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That seems stupid wasn't this thing meant to fight farmers anyway?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not really. It turned out well that way but the original idea was carving up dictatorships a la desert storm.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Stryker is a bad idea for Ukraine. They constantly get stuck in the mud and can't self recover.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is it any worse than a BTR?
      Wheeled transports give rapid road mobility that tracked vehicles lack.
      And lighter wheeled vehicles get very easily shredded by artillery.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Is it any worse than a BTR?
        I would imagine so since the tires are smaller and the vehicle is much heavier.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anything wheeled is a bad idea really.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good. Get rid of more old equipment.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would be sweet if they send dragoons but in reality it’s going to be the slick APC variant with a .50 to shuttle troops around, or it will be the US getting rid of the MGS

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can't wait for thunder run videos starring the biggest duck and turkey gun.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's that stuff on top of the balls?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          W A D

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the fuck is that thing? A tank destroyer? Does the U.S. use them? I’ve never heard of them before.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's essentially an American take on the BMP.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You mean the BTR buddy?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, thank you. Sorry tired.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wheeled support gun. They dom' use em anymore, someone decided that 30mm autocannons and more missiles was better. Also the 105 beat up the suspensions too quickly.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oof. Those things totally suck off-road. They sink into the ground all the time and blow it's chud all the time because you put the petal to the metal too fast trying to drive uphill.

    They're only good for what they're built for, quelling urban uprisings from a populace finally fed up with it's governments BS.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even Activision knew it

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Patria or Rosomak would be way better.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Someone should nut up and send some.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      then maybe they should send some

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That is probably the most top heavy variant they made.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AAAAH HELP ME RECOVERY VEHICLE MAN

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I never saw one with a working winch.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For the purposes of a rapid breakthrough Stryker would be better than Bradley, with much lighter logistics, more speed, more range, carrying similar enough of troops. Also there are multiple versions, medivac, 105mm gun, recon, command, etc, etc, all sharing most of the same logistics and support. Plus there's also Canada and a few others than would contribute.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can't imagine they're going to immediately start with whole SBCTs. Gonna be a slow trickle like everything else, probably just ICVs, maybe MGS if we're really lucky and the beancounters give it the go ahead.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Should have been sent 8 months ago

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >meanwhile in soldar

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Call me when they actually capture and hold it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Balakliia, 35 km2
      >Izyum, 43.6 km2
      >Lyman, 20 km2
      >Kherson city, 135.7 km2
      Meaningless twitter victories, we didn't want those cities, anyway.

      >Soledar, 12.31 km2
      Greatest Russian victory since berlin.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the biggest victories in this war are being measured in average increments of around 50km

        this really is just a massive infantry slog at this point

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There was a guy who died of a viral respiratory illness after clearing a trench full of Russian conscripts a month ago. America is voting on the Lend Lease act. Russians are accusing the United Kingdom of attacking Crimea. Soldiers are using maxim guns and bolt action rifles.

          The more war changes the more it stays the same.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >“There’s a strange back and forth with the Europeans where any time anyone asks, the Europeans they say, ‘Well, you know, the U.S. should go first.’ And the administration said, ‘Well, we want the Europeans to go first or we want to do it together.’ And the Ukrainians are just saying, ‘For the love of God, just give us the tanks,’” said a person familiar with those discussions.

    Footage of Ukrainian offensive into Donbass with M1, Leclercs, Leopards, Challengers, and T-90s all in the same shot, riding off into the rising sun, confirmed for the future.

    Maybe, if the stars align, their breakthrough will be aided by JDAMs coming from a sortie of mixed MiG-29s, Su-27s, Mirages, Typhoons, F-16s, and F-15s.

    You'd love to see it.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the year is 2025
    >after three years and 697,560 casualties on the Russian side (Ru claims only 240,000) the Russian army finally secured Bakhmut
    >Ukrainian forces retreat to the next line of defense after simply running out if solid cover to occupy
    >Soledad remains 20% Ukrainian however is suffering from the main shortfalls of Bakhmut
    >vatmorons everywhere exclaim victory
    >there is no news coverage of the AFU seizing Rostov-on-Don other than to call it NATO propaganda and dismiss it
    >it doesn’t matter, they finally won, a week long celebration declared throughout Russia
    >some think Putin may even leave his bunker to make a speech (he died of natural causes in august of ‘23 but they just used deepfakes of him to keep the people sated)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >after three years and 697,560 casualties on the Russian side (Ru claims only 697)
      Here, i fixed it for you

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