Paul has demonstrated that storing your ammo in a cool and dry place is complete fudd lore bullshit
After storing ammo in a car for 1 year there's no difference in performance compared to storing it in a basement and no difference in reliability
Paul has demonstrated that storing your ammo in a cool and dry place is complete fudd lore bullshit
I don't think anyone was concerned about shorter term storage. I'd be interested to see what ammo looks like after 5-10 years of traveling in a car.
>5-10 years
>decade of freeze thaw
>data for 25 years? 50?
Jesus fucking christ, who the fuck has ammo rattling around that long? Why the fuck do you retards think that is in anyway a relevant question for anyone but a military stockpiling war reserve?
Many regular people who aren't big into guns or the self defense scene will just load a gun and keep it somewhere for decades before it gets used in self defense. I'm just interested in what a true normalfag scenario would look like where someone has to use a gun they last loaded years ago.
>I'm just interested in what a true normalfag scenario
Hey Bob, you want to go shoot some grouse this weekend? I got a new shotgun I want to try out.
>Sure, I think I still have some shells in my closet from when I shot skeet back in college. I haven't touched the gun in a while either, it will be fun and take it out again.
I find those scenarios a fun challenge, like when a horror shooter game gives you old junky guns to keep you on your toes and not get too comfortable with having firepower.
>muh edge cases
Retards, all of you.
>Normiest of gun owner who buys ammo a half dozen times in his life at most
>Edge cases
Touch grass
NTA but I just want a final conclusion 1 year doesn't seem that long
5 would be a good amount of time for shelf life testing I think
>t. noguns
Those aren't edge cases those are normal for people who shoot, because the normal thing to do is buy ammo in bulk when it's cheap. I'm not procomp and I don't shoot 10k rounds of every single caliber per month, if I build up 10k rounds in a given caliber at some big discount those are going to last me a few years of regular use. Which should be fine, no inherent reason any ammo shouldn't last my entire life.
If you're someone who exclusively buys all their ammo for a single range trip at LGS markup right before hand, well, thanks for supporting local business I guess?
You haven't inherited any ammo from your family? You don't shoot milsurp? You haven't had random ammo sit at the back of the closet for several years because you haven't shot that particular gun in a while? You didn't get a bunch of random ammo from the boomer you bought a Garand off of? These are all common scenarios anon.
>Paul (might be someone else cant remember) did have a video from a while back where he had a bunch of 60s made 12g and he fired it all without an issue. When do you think all the old milsurp ammo was produced?
why are modern rifle gays always the dumbest morons?
You're the type of gay who goes to the gun store to buy a box of ammo on the way to the range. Some of us are different gun owners. If you have owned guns and been shooting for longer than 5-10 years you understand the price cycle and if you aren't a low class individual you stack ammo when it's cheap. Have you ever bought more than 5,000 rounds of rifle ammo at a time? 9mm? Lots of us have. I know people who have 20+ crates of 7n6. That ammo was already 30+ years old when they got it. There are plenty of smart gun owners who have not bought any ammo since 2019, because they have had 0 need to.
no shit, people have been taking ammo stored under goat shit in turkey and ethiopia for 100 years and fired it and it still works fine. i'm pretty sure this piece of fuddlore was developed to convince fudds to throw out old ammo and buy new stuff.
A buddy of mine pointed out something similar with steelcase ammo, when it became popular all of a sudden it was this terrible thing that would break every gun it merely sat next to because it was a lot cheaper than the ripoff priced brass ammo. Almost like the fuddlore was spread by Hornady, Lake City, etc.
Okay now let's do that with freeze/thaw cycles for a decade. I guarantee that it fucks with the ammo.
I pulled a rusty .45ACP out of the dirt at an old range in the woods after a spring thaw, cleaned it up, and loaded it, and it fired perfectly.
>sample size of 1 (one) round
Exactly. I believe the difference in your surplus having hangfires versus working flawlessly was humidity at the time of manufacture and freeze/thaw cycles.
I found an old .303 round that had rotted to fuck and no longer had the bullet bit was still full of cordite. Ran a blow torch over it and it still combusted in an instant, and it had been in the ground for 80 years.
>After storing ammo in a car for 1 year
Who gives a shit? Where's the data for 25 years? 50?
Storage conditions absolutely matter. I've shot 1980's surp ammo that had crazy inconsistent velocities and hangfires, while other surp from the 60's performed great.
do you stand to gain financially from people buying ammunition?
Yes. Though I'm not sure what that has to do with the question.
It's fucking obvious that ammo doesn't require special care to last a year. This video is like saying: you don't have to worry about heights, falling from 6 inches doesn't cause any appreciable harm
why would i trust your opinion? you will say anything you can to get me to buy more ammo
>lives in dry climate
It basically doesn't count.
he lives next to the ocean?
>oregon
>dry
no
Yes, retard. Everything east of the mountains is in a rain shadow and is dry as fuck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_shadow
paul lives right on the ocean. did you get kicked in the head as a child?
Yes. He lives in eastern Oregon. Dry as FCK. He talks about humidity, and yes, there is high relative humidity even out west, but doesn't mention that it's relative humidity and not absolute humidity
a modern basement is about as cool and dry as a normal home 100 years ago.
The point is that ammo is much more resilient than some people would believe it to be and it's probably still going to be fine. But just because you can store it in shit conditions doesn't mean you should if you can help it. Maintaining cool and dry conditions is piss easy and there's basically no excuse not to.
Cool doesn't mean chilled to below 50f, it means kept away from ignition temps. Dry doesn't mean climate controlled vault, it means just don't store it in a place where it could get exposed to substances that will actually corrode the metals to the point of inducing ammo failures. Cool and dry is relative to whatever materials/chemicals you want to keep safe, not within the range of human comfort. Keeping it on a shelf inside your house is plenty enough, get a tupperware tub or a dedicated ammo can with desiccants if you want to be fancy.
Living seaside will require you to store in a specific dry place and hermetically close it, possibly vacuum seal it, for longer than 5 years. Not that it will matter by then, but humid climates especially near sea are anathema to ammunition.
>Paul has demonstrated that storing your ammo in a cool and dry place is complete fudd lore bullshit
except that's the opposite of what happens in the video and of what he says. good job skimming it and guessing the conclusion incorrectly, instead of watching in full to learn something
>after just 1 year, 1 round out of the box became a dud. accuracy wasn't significantly impacted.
he specifically says in the end, his advice is not to store ammo in the car for a year because it seems to have some effect on reliability; an effect that would become a bigger problem the longer you store there.
it's not really news or in question that ammo will degrade when exposed to moisture and significant temperature fluctuations. plenty of studies have been done on this by militaries all over the world, that's why hermetically sealed spam cans and rubber gaskets on ammo boxes exist, why cartridge and primer sealing are standard military practice, etc.
his sample was just a few rounds, over just 1 year and there was already a dud. of course it wasn't some dramatic "all ammo has failed" result, but to draw from that the generalization that proper ammo storage is nonsense is moronic and you deserve to have all your ammo stored outside forever
I had a dud in a box of ammo that I stored in a room in my house. Does that mean everyone should stop storing ammo in homes?
no, but it also doesn't mean you should start storing it in your car.
>a retarded attempt at a gotcha using flawed logic, apply yourself
1 example is not enough evidence to support your claim
>I had a dud in a box of ammo that I stored in a room in my house.
>1 example is not enough evidence to support your claim
lmao, I agree
yes I also agree that you make baseless assumptions
uhh ok, you're clearly just some kid that needs attention. but let's do one more:
what assumptions do you speak of and why are they baseless?
you assume ammo stored in cars is unreliable because 1 cartridge failed to fire. thats a baseless assumption
no, it's an assumption drawn from the premise of the video, which if you accept, demonstrated that even in a small sample, being stored improperly for a relatively short white, there was already one dud.
keep in mind, this isn't just "I had a box of ammo stored in my car, one failed, therefore it failed because it was stored in my car". he had a second box, from the same batch, stored in his house, which sort of acts as a control group and which had no duds. if storage was not a factor at all, why was there a dud in the box stored in the car and not the box stored in the house?
your non-sequitur about "I had a dud in a box stored in my house" is trying to imply that his one dud could have been a dud for other reason, unrelated to storage. and it very well could.
if you want to say his experiment is too small and so nothing can be derived from it one way or another, that's perfectly valid. but if we are to give it any credibility at all, which is the point of this thread, the only reasonable conclusion you can derived from the experiment and control groups he had is the one that he himself has derived, that bad storage does have some negative impact. and while that's a weak conclusion based on a small sample, it's still far more logical than the retarded sweeping opposing generalization made in OP. so if you're going to make a thread and treat video as proof of anything, then it's clearly proof of the opposite of "storing your ammo in a cool and dry place is complete fudd lore bullshit". and if the sample of a couple boxes of ammo and 1 year and 1 guy is too small for your scientific aspirations, then all you can say is it proves nothing one way or another, and then why make a thread about it at all? (it's for attention, obviously)
of course, all of this discussion is entirely moot, because there are a ton of proper large scale studies that you can look up yourself, which have closed this issue long ago.
that's it, that's your attention for the day
Not my heckin birderino!!
if people want I can throw some ammo in my attic, I live in coastal Florida. my attic temperature ranges from almost freezing to so hot it makes the core of a main sequence star look like a meatlocker.
I would control with some ammo stored in the main house, AC'd and moderate humidity.
maybe 4 calibers, 50 rounds each and chrono in 1 year (or more) with my labradar? 9mm, 5.56, .22lr, and what else? I don't have a .308 and the labradar doesn't track shotguns correctly except slugs.
can you do it for 50 years instead?
that'd not particularly practical.
you are half right. It doesn't have to be so strictly stored. but It will fail if kept in a place that is too humid/wet. keep as dry as possible
I hope his treatment is going okay. 🙁
I've had ammo go bad on me. It takes longer than a year.
I think as long as the brass hasn't corroded, I'd say it's safe to use.
His videos are getting more and more weirdly specific.
i dont think its that weirdly specific. the truck gun crowd is big