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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Translation, slavshit. I don’t speak goblinoid

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus I thought they were shooting down missiles. God rest their souls and may our Lord end this brother war soon.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Let the streets be filled with their blood

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        They're going to hell.
        And theybwill be amhappy about it because its better than russia

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean are you suprised that the Ukies when given the opportunity are going to maximize the number of dead Russians?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Ziggers shot down and killed inside of Puccia.
        >THEIR LAND, THEIR BLOOD

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ah yes the zionist brother war bot is here

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >God rest their souls
        Animals aren't ensouled.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >God rest their souls
        Do you really think people who bombed civvies for more then a year deserve a place in Heaven?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not him, but it really depends. You can’t make a blanket statement like that. Do you think dropping agent orange for years means those pilots should go to hell? What about the ones who firebombed Dresden or Tokyo?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Show indoor toilet

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Literally who? Why should I believe this particularly creature?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Why should I believe this particularly creature?

        Learn to write English

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        fighter_bomber aka ghost of Moskva

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >doesn't know who fighter_bomber is
        It's telegram channel of Russian pilot in BBC POC CNN. If he says that Patriot is responsible for killing those aircrafts then there’s 80% chance it's true, btw he confirmed that Ukraine managed to shot down Su-35 over black sea recently too

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It's telegram channel of Russian pilot in BBC POC CNN. If he says that Patriot is responsible for killing those aircrafts then there’s 80% chance it's true, btw he confirmed that Ukraine managed to shot down Su-35 over black sea recently too

          So is it like one Patriot system guards Kyiv and another one tours around the country performing Best Hits?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Kek yeah

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Raised but then shot down by the pac-2

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >BBC POC CNN
            Nailed me.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            The one over the sea was shot down with a S300

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, there is 80% chance they got shot down, 20% it was an accident due to poor maintenance and 0 guarantee it was Patriot.
          Patriot is just the new weapon Russians idolize and attribute everything to, just like HIMARS, HARM, Excalibur or Javelin before that.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >11 pilots were killed
      >be a warrior, live forever
      Yep, i agree, they should have been warriors instead of pilots.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Four sides, so two people in total
      F, you will never laugh again

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off Carlos

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >four sides were shot
      Yeah, mine

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly part of me feels like we wasted a lot of tax money. Russians are an absolute paper tiger and our dominance is so absurdly elevated it’s like a grown man getting into a fist fight with a toddler. I predict the MIC is going to desperately try to hype up China but at this point I feel like we’d rag doll them too

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, missiles do have a shelf life. From what I've been reading the Ukies were given the older PAC-3 missiles. Might as well use them before they go bad. Probably ends up saving money overall since you don't have to worry about disposing them.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        We waste far far more money on meaningless welfare and social programs. I will admit the MIC is a grift and we waste a lot of money but I could cut 100 other bullshit programs first. At least they give us a huge military advantage which leverages into other strengths.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Having a functional society is a prerequisite to having a strong military, see: Russia.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe if the social programs help rather than making lazy boomers and poors leech off of it forever, you have a point.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              that's such a meme. I don't know a single person that would go and infect himself with a disease, incur an heart attack or break his appendage just because they lived in a country with universal healthcare.
              Nor do I know a single person that would not seek to improve their lot via gainful employment just because there is a possibility that the government will send you a pittance after you've sold everything you own and go through a million hoops.
              I do know plenty of people however who are receiving pension after having worked their ass off and I'm not sure how many of them would have been able to retain investment portfolios in the McEquityFund assuming one existed in our hypothetical ancap paradise.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Majority of the problems you listed are self inflicted. They can be prevented by basic lifestyle changes. The argument against social programs is that it promotes laziness and poor lifestyle habits.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >The argument against social programs is that it promotes laziness and poor lifestyle habits.
                well that's done fricking nothing to the lards in the US, who expand to fill their containers despite no combination of the social programs remaining there (or even before decades of neoliberal cuts to them) even coming close to providing sufficient biomass to explain their horizontal growth

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                This is the only solution for fat “people”

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                That's literally what they did with the fatties in Judge Dredd

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Right, nobody purposefully gets health issues to drain a free healthcare system. What happens is people refuse to take care of themselves after the health issues strike. If people want to kill themselves with long term health issues that's fine, but resources are being diverted away from those who actually need them.
                >Nor do I know a single person that would not seek to improve their lot via gainful employment
                Well, that's typically because you don't usually meet those people when you live a productive life. You're on PrepHole, you're really doubting the existence of NEETs?
                A lot of people don't feel the need to improve, or if they do they come up with excuses to not lift a damned finger about it.
                >I do know plenty of people however who are receiving pension after having worked their ass off
                Criticizing a pension fund is always going to be unpopular.
                The simple fact is that lifespans are greater than when social security was conceptualized and back then there was a much higher ratio of productive adults for every senior citizen. So pension funds get the double-whammy of having to last longer than initially presumed and also a dwindling taxpayer base.
                But we also can't send women home to birth children without a massive workforce contraction, and while I can sympathize with the progressives who argue we need more parental benefits like maternity leave that flat out doesn't work to increase birthrates.
                We don't even need to argue about Ancapistan, I'm happy to hear whatever the progressive answer to these problems is but most would rather pretend there isn't any problem at all.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're obviously american since he's talking about welfare and you immediately assume he's talking about public healthcare services. The "universal healthcare" meme term also.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                This negger has never lived in some of impoverished places of the US. I knew a guy who broke is ankle to get pain killers. TWICE

                Fun Patriot Facts: If an aircraft uses Electronic Counter Measures (ECM), the Tactical Control Officer can set the radar to Electronic Counter Counter Measures (ECCM) mode which increases the amount of energy put out by the radar and can burn though most standard ECM pods. If a launched missile does get jammed, it switches to Stand Off Jammer Counter mode (SOJC - literally Sojack). This turns the missile into essentially an Anti Radiation Missile and it homes in on the source of the jamming and destroys it.

                Devilish

                Eh, missiles do have a shelf life. From what I've been reading the Ukies were given the older PAC-3 missiles. Might as well use them before they go bad. Probably ends up saving money overall since you don't have to worry about disposing them.

                Half the reason the F-117 is still around. maybe we can send those to Ukraine too.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Correct but our social programs don’t keep society functional. You can make a strong argument it does the exact opposite. A great example are welfare cliffs. In many states, a single mom can work a minimum wage type job, make $30k a year, and get $20+k in government aid. Rather than those benefits structured so they taper off as her income goes up, they have had drop off points. So getting a $5-10k raise would lose more in benefits. You can’t work up in chunks, you have to go from say $30k to $50k at once to benefit. Where’s the incentive? Most people would rather be lazy and get free shit.

              That’s not to mention being forced into social security that we won’t receive (or receive a fraction of what we paid). Or the prime example of paying billions to resettle 3rd worlders in our own country so they can degrade our standards of living. None of this produces a functional society

              The US is bad at welfare, but in principle anything is better than nothing.

              >Most people would rather be lazy and get free shit.
              So why isn't this the case in country where this is very easy to accomplish? Why is excessive welfare not a problem for most of Europe? Productivity per person is so high that it is not relevant.
              Welfare improves all countries, because people who aren't desperate to subsist on barely anything, they will want more. And if you offer them a nice and sociable path towards more, they will take it.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Why is excessive welfare not a problem for most of Europe?
                40-60% income tax is a problem even with the US covering most defense spending.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >40-60% income tax is a problem
                And yet the largest chunk f these payments find their way back to the people, as European healthcare systems are far more efficient at providing care and improving outcomes than the American one. And a healthier population is a more productive population

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >European healthcare systems are far more efficient at providing care
                Maternity wards are closing in the "off hours" in Britain and Portugal due to staffing shortages causing intermittency.
                >a healthier population is a more productive population
                That's fricking great, let's put people in fat camps and ban booze and cigarettes.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >So why isn't this the case in country where this is very easy to accomplish?
                The countries that give out the best welfare actually expect you to pull your weight. Ironically you'll have to pull yourself by the bootstraps.
                >Why is excessive welfare not a problem for most of Europe?
                It is when it is excessive. Reminder: a lot of healthcare systems are suffering cuts and for example France is increasing the age of retirement. Teachers ain'd doing so hot either. Simply put, shit's fricked and there isn't enough money to pay for everything.
                >people who aren't desperate to subsist on barely anything, they will want more
                The problem is that they can easily get more by not getting a quote unquote "normal job", they can deal drugs on the side.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Why is excessive welfare not a problem for most of Europe?
                It is though? Half the immigrant problem is caused by the EU and Euro governments handing out welfare money to just about anybody within its borders. All those Turks and Morroccans aren't going to Germany and Belgium to work for a living...

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Half the immigrant problem is caused by the EU and Euro governments handing out welfare money to just about anybody within its borders
                That is incorrect. The central issue with the immigrants is that there are not enough judgets to process them quickly.

                >All those Turks and Morroccans aren't going to Germany and Belgium to work for a living...
                Anon, the turks are literally coming to Germany to work, that is the reason they are there. They make way way more money here than in Turkey and they send that money back to their families. That is how the model works.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                You won't convince him, his world cope model depends on him believing immigrants, non-white immigrants at least, only take without contributing.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Correct but our social programs don’t keep society functional. You can make a strong argument it does the exact opposite. A great example are welfare cliffs. In many states, a single mom can work a minimum wage type job, make $30k a year, and get $20+k in government aid. Rather than those benefits structured so they taper off as her income goes up, they have had drop off points. So getting a $5-10k raise would lose more in benefits. You can’t work up in chunks, you have to go from say $30k to $50k at once to benefit. Where’s the incentive? Most people would rather be lazy and get free shit.

            That’s not to mention being forced into social security that we won’t receive (or receive a fraction of what we paid). Or the prime example of paying billions to resettle 3rd worlders in our own country so they can degrade our standards of living. None of this produces a functional society

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >We waste far far more money on meaningless welfare and social programs
          Black person what the frick else is there to spend it on? What do you think the military budget would be going to if not that? Lowering taxes? For WHO? The child molesters who own stocks in apple?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Good. Complacency is lethal.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        If this war has shown us anything, it's that there's literally nothing wrong with overestimating your enemy. The biggest issue with the MIC isn't the amount of taxpayer money that goes towards it; the bigger issue is the degree of consolidation between MIC companies that has taken place since the end of the Cold War, and the resulting lack of competition.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The amount of money the US makes in a year vs what we've given to Ukraine is a drop in the bucket and all without a single drop of American blood. Meanwhile, a historic and aggressive adversary has more or less been declawed for the next 50 years at the very least and has become a nonfactor in future wars. It's a deal of the century.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Robert McNulty from Baltimore Oblast. Agree. Tax too high, gas price too high. Omar robbed my stash again. Biden must stop the madness before the co op falters

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          läl

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      May their ass forever be not in the ass.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      sides are in orbit

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Member when Russians downed a US Drone and celebrated? This is like 1000x worse

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Can't really remember that well, did they ever manage to find the wreckage? I think they sent almost ten ships to go find it.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          If they had they'd be parading it in Moscow like a Roman triumph

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        They lost a bomber too recently

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Explains why shortly after they went after the patriot battery in kyiv so hard.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      How does 4 planes being shotdown = 11 pilots dead? What math is going on here? The Russians keep using their fighters to shoot BVR missiles to fire from within their borders at Ukraine, but those are fighters. And probably not all two-seaters either. So, are larger craft being shot down?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        two of them were choppers iirc

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        One of the helicopters was carrying officers.
        Two helicopters is at least four pilots.
        If the officers in the back of the helicopter were pilots, it checks out.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        “Pilots” in this tweet is more accurately translated as “aircrews”. The two helos were EW aircraft and almost certainly had extra crew beyond pilot/copilot aboard to work the ECM equipment.

        So:
        1 - su35 pilot
        2 - su34 pilot and weapons officer
        4x2 - helo pilot, copilot, ew officer 1, ew officer 2

        That’s 11 casualties. Seems reasonable if they got Mercd by massive pac2 warheads

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Arent those guys even more valuable???

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, weapons/radar/ew staff are not a valuable as pilots. Their jobs can be reasonably trained on ground based simulators. They’re still literally 1000x as valuable as a Mobik, though

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >ground based simulators
              You presume the Russians have those.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Soviet planes notoriously need up to 5 people in the wienerpit

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, if it was fricking Bear Bombers that got shot down. It wasn't.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        soviets still use flight engineers extensively

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's a shame none were taken alive. Pilots being officers have intel you can act on. Then you just refuse to trade them back or cripple them so they're worthless.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think they were shot down over Russian territory.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Holy fricking shit.

      It's a shame none were taken alive. Pilots being officers have intel you can act on. Then you just refuse to trade them back or cripple them so they're worthless.

      Yep, but these are Russians officers. Command treats them like mushrooms, feed them shit and keep them in the dark. So whatever intel they have isn't gonna be that useless unless we're looking into exploiting particular weaknesses from whichever aircraft they operate.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Stinger systems have the same function for helicopters and jet aircraft, I wonder if they could target missiles as well with good aiming.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ukies have apparently shot down missiles with stingers during the war

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous


      https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1579433935075147777

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not actually a stinger though.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They can. The Ukrainians have shot down Kalibr missiles with Stingers.

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    7-0

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its been 11 days of russian not bombing Chernigiv region daily.

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Waiting room.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Emojis turned off, comments closed.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Eyebrows?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          burned of

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fell off

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    /tourist/ here, I know flares from vydia/movies. Why don't the pilots use flare to counter these AA missiles?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because flares only work heat seekers and only sometimes. American missiles are good which means a multitude of sensors working together.

      Fun fact. PAC3 knows what a wienerpit looks like and aims the warhead for the pilot.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >PAC3
        but the range of the pac 3 is 35km. planes were shot down in 60 km iirc

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Their stats are classified

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Max range or "effective" range?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          They have two systems right? One from the US and the other from the Dutch?

          >clobbles over your border in wooden shoes
          >shoots down 4 of your aircraft and kills 11 pilots
          >clobbles back

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think im seeing double.
            Two Trudeaus!

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              There are at least four Trudeaus in that pic.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          There was an interview with an experienced Patriot operator who was getting upset about the Wikipedia stated range of Patriot but couldn’t say its actual range. It was funny because how much it clearly bothered him with the context that it was massively understated.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            American pilots are apparently banned from sim games because they launch further than the official range

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I personally know of a B52 crew that plays missions as an a10 squadron in dcs, fwiw

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            If the Radar can hit theoretical maximum before it's looking outside earths atmosphere why would you build huge, stationary, multi million missiles for anything less?

            And it probably has clever tricks to extend the theoretical maximum. It wouldn't surprise me if it could do OTH detection and then use the missile itself as sophisticated illumination / tracking reflector or repeater. Could intercept targets beyond horizon, if they're still within missile range and radar power distance.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Well ifs sats can do SAR they can very easliy do radar tracking.
              I mean the patriots generating firing solutions off networked air defense network has always been a thing to the point where it was even the main feature of it from in games from 2003.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >but the range of the pac 3 is 35km. planes were shot down in 60 km iirc
          See

          Their stats are classified

          and

          There was an interview with an experienced Patriot operator who was getting upset about the Wikipedia stated range of Patriot but couldn’t say its actual range. It was funny because how much it clearly bothered him with the context that it was massively understated.

          People really, really don't understand that America has the nasty habit of intentionally low-balling their effective capabilities, while nations like Russia and China like to overstate. Most Western countries do similarly to America, but at America's power-level, their doing so can result in some wildly funny surprises. Americans *are not* meme-ing when they say the real range or whatever is "classified" lmao

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's amusing how pervasive the habit has become. Just as another example: the "Medium" designation of AMRAAM has become increasingly out of date, considering that what was initially a replacement for the Sparrow has now taken over the duties formerly fulfilled by the "long range" AIM-54 Phoenix. The AIM-120 D-block operational range is still hush-hush, but the "theorized" stats are still pretty baller compared against anything outside of the Meteor or BVRAAM.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >the "Medium" designation of AMRAAM has become increasingly out of date, considering that what was initially a replacement for the Sparrow has now taken over the duties formerly fulfilled by the "long range" AIM-54 Phoenix.
              This fact right here is what makes any and all of PL-15 vs AMRRAM threads silly.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Patriot has PAC-3 against ballistics and older missiles with bigger range that are mainly used again aircraft

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Their stats are classified

          Max range or "effective" range?

          There was an interview with an experienced Patriot operator who was getting upset about the Wikipedia stated range of Patriot but couldn’t say its actual range. It was funny because how much it clearly bothered him with the context that it was massively understated.

          I think the big problem is that the "ranges" given aren't actually ranges, but the range at which it can intercept at maximum altitude. Like, there is zero reason that a missile that can fly over 36km straight up would only fly less than that horizontally.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            These are mainly billed as ABM systems, so it makes sense that the given figures are for the ABM flight profile trying to smack a missile at the edge of space and not for an AA profile where it's only trying to kill something at less than half that altitude.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm too lazy to read the thread and I'm not disagreeing with you but I urge you to remember that missiles can go much farther at high altitude than at sea level, because their propulsion isn't subject to atmospheric pressure while their drag is

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Missiles that are fired to engage at further ranges typically climb to altitude to fly in thinner air and then come down for that reason.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's like looking at a guy burying his axe in another guy's skull and asking why he didn't use his axe to defend himself. Maybe he tried. Maybe he didn't know he was about to get axed. Maybe the axe is steel and the shield is made out of rotten wood and the axe went through it. Maybe he blocked the previous axe blow with his shield but couldn't react in time to this one. There's a million factors to consider.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why he didn't use his shield to defend himself I'm regarded

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I regard you as a very nice person have a good day

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks anon you too

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why he didn't use his shield to defend himself I'm regarded

        These don't go for flares.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're of course right. I doubt the anon who asked the question knows what the difference between chaff and flares is though, so I assumed he means both.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          He already admitted he's regarded and only plays video games. He's not going to even know what that thing is.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >why he didn't use his axe to defend himself
        Because then the axe would be in the axe

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You cannot fool a missile that homes on a radar signal by emitting thermal and UV radiation with flares.

      Pic related, this is how the old PAC-2 model hits its target. The newer PAC-3 has a radar of its own.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Radar decoys are a thing.
        If your radar warning is working and you're not overconfident/incompetent.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Radar decoys are a thing.

          Yes, and this is about using FLARES against radar-guided missiles.

          Also, even if russia had such things available (which they don't), we are talking about american vs. russian electronics facing each other, it's not going to end well.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >such things
            Nothing fancy needed. Most basic stuff is as simple ar flares - chaff, radar reflectors, towed RF decoy repeater. And Russians have somewhat better stuff than that, like record incomming signal and re-transmit with delay - radar will see two objects OTOH one won't have impulse rection of actual plane. Better stuff knows plane impulse response and can make it quite similar, not sure if Russians have this. Etc.

            But with half decent procedures chaff can be enough - basically turn away from radar, release chaf, stay behind cloud. You're denied from area, but won't get shot down either.

            The bigger question is, were the targets of enough strategic importance ( like long range missile carriers ) to use such expensive missiles? Like Mi-8 is a flying trash can. At best it can lob unguided missiles few km away. If it was Mig-31, Tu-22 or Tu-95 understandable. But anything else would be as wastefully dumb as Russian tactics.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Radar decoys
          Expensive. The most effective ones have to be towed so that they match the flight profile of an actual aircraft.
          The flare equivalent against radar guided missiles is chaff, but it disperses and slows down in the air which allows the computer to reject the signals, it pretty much has to be deployed while diving to the ground and notching. The modern implementation of chaff is using your own EW to beam false returns into the chaff cloud and make it seem like the chaff is moving at jet speeds through Doppler shift.

          patriot missiles aren't that long range, they can't cover entire countries alone. the radar might be able to see targets really far away but the missiles are about 100 miles against aircraft and a lot less against a ballistic missile

          My point is that missiles directed at Ukraine are often launched from the sea or Belarus and almost hug the western borders of Ukraine to bypass defenses.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The modern implementation of chaff is using your own EW to beam false returns into the chaff cloud and make it seem like the chaff is moving at jet speeds through Doppler shift.
            Sneaky

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The modern implementation of chaff is using your own EW to beam false returns into the chaff cloud
            i think this is kind of uniquely F-35 since it can function as an EW/AWACS platform

            most fighters can't fricking do that

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I assumed aircraft like the Gripen and Super Hornet were modern enough to do that. EW suites were all the rage in 2000s 4th gen upgrade programs.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The missile knows where it is at all times.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The way the patriot radar guidance works allows them to track targets from multiple aspects, this means if they drop chaff, they will soon fly out in front of it and be reacquired. There's no passive counter measures that can protect from it, you would need multiple active e-war aircraft jamming the radar sites or an incredibly stealthy aircraft to counter the patriot system to effectively. It's incredibly deadly and accurate. Flares would do less than pissing out of the wienerpit.

      Look up multistatic radar if you want more details, it's insane.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because Patriot isn't IR guided but it uses track-via-missile guidance and newer missiles (PAC-3) use active radar homing. Combined with advanced phased-array radar and decent electronics, it's hard to both detect and fool with chaff for example. The radar can perform ECCM and the missiles have home-on-jam capability.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Patriot doesn't just mission kill, it guarantees the death of the pilots
    Kek

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pilot seeking missile

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >eject
        >patriot locks on and fires at the fricking pilot

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I'm pretty sure that'd be an honest-to-god warcrime. Ejecting pilots are considered 'out of combat' in a 1977 amendment protocol to the Geneva Conventions - you can only shoot them if they land and continue fighting on the ground.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            And like most war crimes, it would be hilarious.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Accurate

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Who's gonna find out?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Geneva convention only apply to humans though

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            It not a war crime if it's the first time, and you say "whoops".

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            russia has already done its fair share of war crimes,war crime those ziggers back

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Can you commit a war crime to someone actively doing a war crime?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              War crime for a war crime makes the whole world war blind - Hammurabi

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                RIP that gorilla

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            i dont get this one. if a tanker flees his burning tank you can shoot him but you cant shoot the pilot of a flying tank

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              It has to do with the relative helplessness of ejected pilots.
              A tank crew fleeing their tank are still fully mobile and unless severely injured are often ready to continue fighting. Ejected pilots can't do shit until they hit the ground.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                seems like pintless videogame honor rules that have no place in a fight for survival

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's also a matter of killing someone that's ejected is usually just fricking dumb because either you're in enemy territory on a clock or they're in enemy territory and basically a guaranteed capture.

                Or they're over water and dead/relying on rescue you could then shoot at anyway.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Pilots are officers.

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nice try, hohol HATO trannies. But all the patriots got kinzhal'd.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The missile knows where you are at all times.
    It knows this because it knows where you live.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    One missile battery should not be capable of stalling an entire nation's offensive capabilities.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >One missile battery should not be capable of stalling an entire nation's offensive capabilities.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        This isn't even the first time this has happened this war.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I can hear incoherent screaming in Russian

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They have two systems right? One from the US and the other from the Dutch?

      One full battery from the US and one German battery with some dutch launchers
      In terms of air defense Germany is a major contributor

      How many of those systems are around europe?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn't worry about it.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        A lot.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >One missile battery should not be capable of stalling an entire nation's offensive capabilities.
      depends entirely on how quickly it can be reloaded since theres no barrel to wear out

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You don't so much reload a patriot battery as you drive away with the truck that's carrying the empty launcher and bring another truck carrying a full launcher

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dumb question, but do you need a special truck for it? Or in theory could any flatbed (or tilt bed) truck have the launcher on it? Then you drive up the new truck, link with the radar, command module, etc, and fire?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dumb question, but do you need a special truck for it? Or in theory could any flatbed (or tilt bed) truck have the launcher on it? Then you drive up the new truck, link with the radar, command module, etc, and fire?

          Wikipedia says you can reload, as in, there's special trucks that have cranes to remove the used canisters and load in the fresh ones. Kinda like the HIMARS crane truck reloader thingie i guess but frick if i know

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      But what are the nation's offensive capabilities?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      A I understand it there are actually two

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      All the cope about "wunderwaffles" can't deny that yes, HIMARS and now Patriot are effective at however miniscule numbers of them Ukraine has. F16 might create even bigger impact then, when air superiority will be finally achieved.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Rememeber that time half a dozen HIMARS stopped ALL large-scale offensive operations of the Russian military?

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    probably explains that massive missile attack on the patriot battery

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    They have two systems right? One from the US and the other from the Dutch?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      One full battery from the US and one German battery with some dutch launchers
      In terms of air defense Germany is a major contributor

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      One full battery from the US and one German battery with some dutch launchers
      In terms of air defense Germany is a major contributor

      At least two. One from U.S., one from Germany.

      HOWEVER, there is some interesting information from Jan & Feb that suggests the U.S. might have sneaksied a second battery in ... which means possibly three,

      And, don't forget Poland got two systems they set up on the Ukraine border. Which frees up a lot of capability and adds redundancy so the Ukie batteries have back up and can be used more creatively.

      I seem to recall last year, when NATO & the EU were arguing over giving Patriots to Ukraine at all, that there was mention of Romania having one. I'm vague on that, but it makes sense. On the record or off. Which, again, adds theater capability that would take some duty pressure off Ukie systems to focus elsewhere. Plus, Romania and Ukraine have been coordinating and strengthening relations almost daily for a while now. IF Romania has such a toy, there is significant coordination possible there.

      So, yeah, minimum two in Ukraine, plus maybe one, plus two in Poland, plus maybe one in Romania. That is a frickton of coverage.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Reading between the lines of the Ukie statements I feel like they have all the air defense they're going to need. If you recall, last summer they were screaming constantly about air defense. They obliviously ran the numbers and determined they would run out relatively soon.

        Nowadays, you almost never hear them bring it up. Even when there talk of that Patriot that was "damaged" the Ukie Air Force spokesman was like yeah I wouldn't worry about it.... as opposed to using it as an opportunity to lobby for more air defense.

        The only thing Ukraine might be short of is PAC-3s, but I'm sure they can just place a battery in Kyiv and maybe one in Kharkiv or something to guard likely ballistic targets.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Nowadays, you almost never hear them bring it up.
          True. But russia also turned down the missile/drone intensity. Maybe monke is finally running low on hardware. Or he's saving it for the [some time] offensive

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >plus two in Poland, plus maybe one in Romania
        Be serious now. Those batteries in Poland and Romania aren't going to involve themselves, that would be a blatant act of war.

        It raises an interesting question though... With all of the data being linked, what if you split up a Patriot battery and put the radar on the Polish side of the border and the launchers on the Ukrainian side? Would the r*ssians dare to attack the radar?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Be serious now. Those batteries in Poland and Romania aren't going to involve themselves, that would be a blatant act of war.
          How the frick could russia even tell that it wasn't one of the ukrainian patriots? they don't.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >How the frick could russia even tell that it wasn't one of the ukrainian patriots?
            It's an unacceptable risk. If they *somehow* did then it's literally an act of war.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >It's an unacceptable risk.
              to shoot a missile down in ukrainian airspace?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              And do what exactly?open another front?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              So what? What the frick timmy gonna do?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >What the frick timmy gonna do?
                I'd like to remind everyone that Black person who made the Timmy meme got killed by Timmy.
                Ya Black loving gay

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Puccians be like
              me sowing: haha, frick yes!
              me reaping: wait, this isn't supposed to happen, what the frick

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, frick vatBlack folk to death but that wojak 100 word essay bullshit you might as well not post. Keep that horseshit to yourself and your facebook wall.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Seething levels reaching thermonuclear critical mass.
                Fricked around.
                Finding out.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                is meme critique the new concern troll?

                No, your blurry, verbose shit and feelsguy straight out of 2009 is just terrible. Just baffling, no need to reply twice.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Frick off, newbie.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                is meme critique the new concern troll?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Idgaf if he is a ru shill or not, zoomer rage comics are garbage and shouldn't be here

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >no response
              God you suck

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >unacceptable
              You don't know what this word means.

              monke doesn't give a flying monkey shit about reality. If he decides he wants to accuse someone of firing a Patriot at one of his toys, he's not going to give the slightest frick about something like evidence. He's just going to make it th efrick up and throe a tantrum anyway.

              > tl;dr - nobody has a fricking thing to lose by vaporizing anything vatnik that comes in range
              Zero risk. vatnikistan isn't going to be around long enough for any complaints to be heard by anyone who matters, and nobody will believe them anyway.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Poland engaging air targets in Ukrainian air space is Poland and Ukraine's business only.
              Missiles aren't people, shooting down someones missile isn't an act of war.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              What the frick are you actually talking about? Poland and Romania's nieghbor is having their very sovereignty being threatened by a historical threat. They have every right to involve themselves in the war especially missiles that fly too close to their border

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Better yet, the frick would they do anyway? They can barely deal with random border incursions now, what happens when another full army invaded?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >reading comprehension fail
            >fetal alcohol syndrome tier cognition impairment
            What the blithering frick are (You) even doing on this board? Find a search engine and read up on shit before you click on post.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              comprehension fail
              No I clearly understood what you meant. Now explain yourself or shut the frick up.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Those batteries in Poland and Romania aren't going to involve themselves, that would be a blatant act of war.
          How? Those countries have the right to shoot down missiles, especially since Russia has fired at least two into Poland.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            patriot missiles aren't that long range, they can't cover entire countries alone. the radar might be able to see targets really far away but the missiles are about 100 miles against aircraft and a lot less against a ballistic missile

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          can the NATO batteries be datalinked to the ukrainian ones?

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >can the NATO batteries be datalinked to the ukrainian ones?
            Absolutely. Patriot is designed to share data with multiple NATO-standard systems. Even if it wasn't sharing data between two Patriot batteries would be trivial.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      From the Dutch, that would be the Dutch Rudder. Image an equivalent of Death Hand from Harkonen.

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian air force can't even operate over their own air space in peace
    Jesus

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >in peace
      well... they were launching glide bombs at Ukraine

      which is what they can no longer do lol

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't that like the first day the Patriot was installed? Not much since. I wonder if the US saw that and asked the Ukies to turn off/down its capabilities because it was so powerful.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is pure speculation. Ukrainians have two patriot batteries and none of them will be placed near the frontline.

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why do irredeemable subhumans pretend to support the SMO?

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    why do you pajeets and serbBlack folk drink Puccian cum all the time?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      No idea, but I know the Serbs do it because they are Turkish rape babies that bend the knee to anyone who they can use to project strength. It is in their innate nature do do so because of their culture being around 200 some odd generations of their women being raped by Turks. Hell, 60% of their language borrows from Turkish.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Serbo-Croatian_words_of_Turkish_origin#:~:text=Orientalist%20expert%20Olga%20Zirojevi%C4%87%20deems,estimated%20to%20be%20around%203%2C000.
      >tl:dr Serbs are absolute cucks and cannot defend themselves from any hostile action.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous
  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Even a broken clock is correct two times every day.
    Reflexively taking the opposite stance out of pure contrarianism doesn't make you a free thinker, but another NPC.

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why does /k/ root for the guys defending their homes from armed invaders?

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Why do people believe NPCs are an exclusively western phenomenon?

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Eleven pilots, that's worse than losing the aircraft itself, right?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, that's like 10% of their pilots

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      yes especially because russia has a bad pilot training program so every one lost is hard to replace and if they are replaced the replacement isnt as good

  23. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    the God i pray to demands dead russians as sacrifice. it's part of my religion.

  24. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fun Patriot Facts: If an aircraft uses Electronic Counter Measures (ECM), the Tactical Control Officer can set the radar to Electronic Counter Counter Measures (ECCM) mode which increases the amount of energy put out by the radar and can burn though most standard ECM pods. If a launched missile does get jammed, it switches to Stand Off Jammer Counter mode (SOJC - literally Sojack). This turns the missile into essentially an Anti Radiation Missile and it homes in on the source of the jamming and destroys it.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those are some seriously impolite upgrades.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You know, I can understand how vodkaBlack folk might read this and go
      >"Yeah right, that's bullshit. No way they got that, we'd never fricking have that. No way they got it."
      Like if you actually understand Western MIC evolution throughout the Cold War and the tech advancements both in private sector and (as much as you can find out) .mil applications, then you'll read what you posted and think, "yeah those are reasonable upgrades to expect." To the zigger, it's fricking pure sci-fi Battlestar Galactica shit.

  25. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >polish patriot battery protects polish sky

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It didn't. Twice. And that's only what public knows. 2nd rocket spent 5 months in the forest before a random person found it.

  26. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    anyone have a map of the air defense coverage a patriot system would provide in ukraine?

    wouldn't it have had to be placed very close to the russian border to achieve this?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://deepstatemap.live/en#7/49.203/32.948

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Frick around in the map
        >Find this

        My heart is still broken, I know Russians are c**ts and deserve every single thing that happens to them but she didn't... If God exists he will punish the Russians for the crimes they did against her.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >this will be a tourist attraction in 10 years
          >Americans and Eurobros will dive to see what their tax dollars paid for

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Reminder the Ukies already declared her an underwater cultural memorial site.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Я тeбe пopoдив, я тeбe i вб'ю

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, fellow western allies, can I just take a quick glimpse where these super weapons are? Just curiousity, really :3

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They can just roll up a launcher to the border. PAC-3 missiles have their own active radar seeker unlike the S-300/400 missiles in service.

  27. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the guesstimate for what aircraft got donwed?
    I'm thinking at least one transport or strategic bomber ate an explosive telephone pole to the wienerpit with that many pilots dead

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Su34
      Su35
      2) MI-8 electronic warfare models

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wasn't that confirmed to be friendly fire?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Tfw the truth is so embarrassing that you decide to claim it was friendly fire

  28. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's a pity that no zigger pilot survived, because their history would be a nice reference point for sci-fi authors.
    The moment they realized that SOMETHING is obliterating the entire strike package was probably the closest experience to an hostile aliens encounter, that we can get without actually encouraging aliens.

  29. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I mean it as a British Javelin and it is technically surface to air... it goes up in the air then down :^)

  30. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]

    Nice and clean 1 minute of separation. You're gonna post the NATO troony pic next?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Indian levels of cringe

  31. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    When Russia stop pretending and win against this clown?

  32. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >posting animal porn, turning the cringe levels up even further
    I fricking hate you people

  33. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]

    >posting animal porn to own da ukies

    post guns

  34. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]

    What the frick is wrong with you?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's got a mental illness known as "Being Russian."

  35. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >vatniks are spamming animal porn now
    Amazing
    Also why was that thread about the ongoing Free Russia battle deleted? I think it’s great that they Russian military can’t beat a couple hundred guys within their own borders.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >post count 206 five minutes ago
      >197 now

      I’m eagerly awaiting news of the latest embarrassment

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >animal porn still untouched
        Why are the mods defending the vatniks lately? It seems like they’re deleted random on topic discussion while leaving rule breaking shit up

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          maybe they misclicked because they were laughing too hard at the anon whose image spamming bot started uploading from his furry foot fetish porn folder (it had previously been vatnik meme spam) about halfway through the thread

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Recently a thread about Belgorod went down, while another that was spouting Russian cope in the OP was left up. I’ve eaten a ban for asking why Russia seems to believe that Bakhmut was the end all be all. Some homosexual was spamming Russian propaganda on another board so I replied with the Nigeria with snow meme and the AIDS infographic. They gave me two separate bans for the posts to avoid me appealing.
            Now the animal porn is left up. Something is fricky right now, did they employ a Russian or tankie recently?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              the thread i'm talking about got completely nuked, but that was precisely what people were accusing the spammer of trying to do... so, yeah, you might be onto something.

              the Kremlin's pathetically concealed Internet Research Agency had a lot of influence on janny cliques pre-war, i doubt that's totally gone away

  36. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yeah, two days ago, when they did the cross-border raid.

  37. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Oh, yeah. You are right. Ukrainians won't go to hell for a while yet then. They'll let the Russians stay there alone. Thanks for reminding me.

  38. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ah yes, believe this anonymous source. Totally trustworthy

  39. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    wienerpit footage

  40. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >4 aircraft shot down
    >11 dead
    what aircraft were they? they definitely weren't all fighters or attack aircraft because then the death toll would be 4-8

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      2 jets , 2 choppers.

      [...]

      [...]

      bot posts.

      >We waste far far more money on meaningless welfare and social programs
      Black person what the frick else is there to spend it on? What do you think the military budget would be going to if not that? Lowering taxes? For WHO? The child molesters who own stocks in apple?

      You americans could use it to actually have public transportation and cities that don't depend on cars.

  41. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    At this point we're looking at what? A 97% efficiency at intercepting targets?

  42. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Zaluzhnyi confirmed alive today
    >some russian rustbucket confirmed hit by ukie drone today
    Looks like we found out the reaso for incessant ruzzian seething

  43. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Not a great day to be a zigger. Zaluzhny doing regular appearances, several laughable fakes released, Russian government flailing around without a clue how to fix the hi-tech sector that they never had, Prigo dooming, that ship that "intercepted" Ukkie drones actually did it with its stern...

  44. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Im fighting with a Zigger right now. Does anyone have the Patriot battery from the other week that shot down the 7 missiles?? From my understanding, the Patriot battery is perfectly fine, but the Russians keep saying it's destroyed completely. Does anyone have the proof that it's fine? You know how they are.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Consider asking him if there were ever proofs of Patriot being hit in the first place. Becaus not a single time during the whole patriot debacle has there been one.
      Basically, stop replying to ziggers with evidence to whatever bs they make up, in the end they will revert to npc dialogue strings like "your proof is from pro-ua sources" and "the confirmation is staged". Send him gore pic with a ruzzian gay instead and ask for proofs its not his father or something.

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