patriot superiority is confirmed Posted on May 24, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor patriot superiority is confirmed
Translation, slavshit. I don’t speak goblinoid
Jesus I thought they were shooting down missiles. God rest their souls and may our Lord end this brother war soon.
Let the streets be filled with their blood
They're going to hell.
And theybwill be amhappy about it because its better than russia
I mean are you suprised that the Ukies when given the opportunity are going to maximize the number of dead Russians?
>Ziggers shot down and killed inside of Puccia.
>THEIR LAND, THEIR BLOOD
Ah yes the zionist brother war bot is here
>God rest their souls
Animals aren't ensouled.
>God rest their souls
Do you really think people who bombed civvies for more then a year deserve a place in Heaven?
Not him, but it really depends. You can’t make a blanket statement like that. Do you think dropping agent orange for years means those pilots should go to hell? What about the ones who firebombed Dresden or Tokyo?
Show indoor toilet
Literally who? Why should I believe this particularly creature?
>Why should I believe this particularly creature?
Learn to write English
fighter_bomber aka ghost of Moskva
>doesn't know who fighter_bomber is
It's telegram channel of Russian pilot in BBC POC CNN. If he says that Patriot is responsible for killing those aircrafts then there’s 80% chance it's true, btw he confirmed that Ukraine managed to shot down Su-35 over black sea recently too
>It's telegram channel of Russian pilot in BBC POC CNN. If he says that Patriot is responsible for killing those aircrafts then there’s 80% chance it's true, btw he confirmed that Ukraine managed to shot down Su-35 over black sea recently too
So is it like one Patriot system guards Kyiv and another one tours around the country performing Best Hits?
Raised but then shot down by the pac-2
>BBC POC CNN
The one over the sea was shot down with a S300
No, there is 80% chance they got shot down, 20% it was an accident due to poor maintenance and 0 guarantee it was Patriot.
Patriot is just the new weapon Russians idolize and attribute everything to, just like HIMARS, HARM, Excalibur or Javelin before that.
>11 pilots were killed
>be a warrior, live forever
Yep, i agree, they should have been warriors instead of pilots.
Four sides, so two people in total
F, you will never laugh again
Fuck off Carlos
>four sides were shot
Honestly part of me feels like we wasted a lot of tax money. Russians are an absolute paper tiger and our dominance is so absurdly elevated it’s like a grown man getting into a fist fight with a toddler. I predict the MIC is going to desperately try to hype up China but at this point I feel like we’d rag doll them too
Eh, missiles do have a shelf life. From what I've been reading the Ukies were given the older PAC-3 missiles. Might as well use them before they go bad. Probably ends up saving money overall since you don't have to worry about disposing them.
We waste far far more money on meaningless welfare and social programs. I will admit the MIC is a grift and we waste a lot of money but I could cut 100 other bullshit programs first. At least they give us a huge military advantage which leverages into other strengths.
Having a functional society is a prerequisite to having a strong military, see: Russia.
Maybe if the social programs help rather than making lazy boomers and poors leech off of it forever, you have a point.
that's such a meme. I don't know a single person that would go and infect himself with a disease, incur an heart attack or break his appendage just because they lived in a country with universal healthcare.
Nor do I know a single person that would not seek to improve their lot via gainful employment just because there is a possibility that the government will send you a pittance after you've sold everything you own and go through a million hoops.
I do know plenty of people however who are receiving pension after having worked their ass off and I'm not sure how many of them would have been able to retain investment portfolios in the McEquityFund assuming one existed in our hypothetical ancap paradise.
Majority of the problems you listed are self inflicted. They can be prevented by basic lifestyle changes. The argument against social programs is that it promotes laziness and poor lifestyle habits.
>The argument against social programs is that it promotes laziness and poor lifestyle habits.
well that's done fucking nothing to the lards in the US, who expand to fill their containers despite no combination of the social programs remaining there (or even before decades of neoliberal cuts to them) even coming close to providing sufficient biomass to explain their horizontal growth
This is the only solution for fat “people”
That's literally what they did with the fatties in Judge Dredd
Right, nobody purposefully gets health issues to drain a free healthcare system. What happens is people refuse to take care of themselves after the health issues strike. If people want to kill themselves with long term health issues that's fine, but resources are being diverted away from those who actually need them.
>Nor do I know a single person that would not seek to improve their lot via gainful employment
Well, that's typically because you don't usually meet those people when you live a productive life. You're on PrepHole, you're really doubting the existence of NEETs?
A lot of people don't feel the need to improve, or if they do they come up with excuses to not lift a damned finger about it.
>I do know plenty of people however who are receiving pension after having worked their ass off
Criticizing a pension fund is always going to be unpopular.
The simple fact is that lifespans are greater than when social security was conceptualized and back then there was a much higher ratio of productive adults for every senior citizen. So pension funds get the double-whammy of having to last longer than initially presumed and also a dwindling taxpayer base.
But we also can't send women home to birth children without a massive workforce contraction, and while I can sympathize with the progressives who argue we need more parental benefits like maternity leave that flat out doesn't work to increase birthrates.
We don't even need to argue about Ancapistan, I'm happy to hear whatever the progressive answer to these problems is but most would rather pretend there isn't any problem at all.
You're obviously american since he's talking about welfare and you immediately assume he's talking about public healthcare services. The "universal healthcare" meme term also.
This negger has never lived in some of impoverished places of the US. I knew a guy who broke is ankle to get pain killers. TWICE
Half the reason the F-117 is still around. maybe we can send those to Ukraine too.
The US is bad at welfare, but in principle anything is better than nothing.
>Most people would rather be lazy and get free shit.
So why isn't this the case in country where this is very easy to accomplish? Why is excessive welfare not a problem for most of Europe? Productivity per person is so high that it is not relevant.
Welfare improves all countries, because people who aren't desperate to subsist on barely anything, they will want more. And if you offer them a nice and sociable path towards more, they will take it.
>Why is excessive welfare not a problem for most of Europe?
40-60% income tax is a problem even with the US covering most defense spending.
>40-60% income tax is a problem
And yet the largest chunk f these payments find their way back to the people, as European healthcare systems are far more efficient at providing care and improving outcomes than the American one. And a healthier population is a more productive population
>European healthcare systems are far more efficient at providing care
Maternity wards are closing in the "off hours" in Britain and Portugal due to staffing shortages causing intermittency.
>a healthier population is a more productive population
That's fucking great, let's put people in fat camps and ban booze and cigarettes.
>So why isn't this the case in country where this is very easy to accomplish?
The countries that give out the best welfare actually expect you to pull your weight. Ironically you'll have to pull yourself by the bootstraps.
>Why is excessive welfare not a problem for most of Europe?
It is when it is excessive. Reminder: a lot of healthcare systems are suffering cuts and for example France is increasing the age of retirement. Teachers ain'd doing so hot either. Simply put, shit's fucked and there isn't enough money to pay for everything.
>people who aren't desperate to subsist on barely anything, they will want more
The problem is that they can easily get more by not getting a quote unquote "normal job", they can deal drugs on the side.
>Why is excessive welfare not a problem for most of Europe?
It is though? Half the immigrant problem is caused by the EU and Euro governments handing out welfare money to just about anybody within its borders. All those Turks and Morroccans aren't going to Germany and Belgium to work for a living...
>Half the immigrant problem is caused by the EU and Euro governments handing out welfare money to just about anybody within its borders
That is incorrect. The central issue with the immigrants is that there are not enough judgets to process them quickly.
>All those Turks and Morroccans aren't going to Germany and Belgium to work for a living...
Anon, the turks are literally coming to Germany to work, that is the reason they are there. They make way way more money here than in Turkey and they send that money back to their families. That is how the model works.
You won't convince him, his world cope model depends on him believing immigrants, non-white immigrants at least, only take without contributing.
Correct but our social programs don’t keep society functional. You can make a strong argument it does the exact opposite. A great example are welfare cliffs. In many states, a single mom can work a minimum wage type job, make $30k a year, and get $20+k in government aid. Rather than those benefits structured so they taper off as her income goes up, they have had drop off points. So getting a $5-10k raise would lose more in benefits. You can’t work up in chunks, you have to go from say $30k to $50k at once to benefit. Where’s the incentive? Most people would rather be lazy and get free shit.
That’s not to mention being forced into social security that we won’t receive (or receive a fraction of what we paid). Or the prime example of paying billions to resettle 3rd worlders in our own country so they can degrade our standards of living. None of this produces a functional society
>We waste far far more money on meaningless welfare and social programs
moron what the fuck else is there to spend it on? What do you think the military budget would be going to if not that? Lowering taxes? For WHO? The child molesters who own stocks in apple?
Good. Complacency is lethal.
If this war has shown us anything, it's that there's literally nothing wrong with overestimating your enemy. The biggest issue with the MIC isn't the amount of taxpayer money that goes towards it; the bigger issue is the degree of consolidation between MIC companies that has taken place since the end of the Cold War, and the resulting lack of competition.
The amount of money the US makes in a year vs what we've given to Ukraine is a drop in the bucket and all without a single drop of American blood. Meanwhile, a historic and aggressive adversary has more or less been declawed for the next 50 years at the very least and has become a nonfactor in future wars. It's a deal of the century.
Robert McNulty from Baltimore Oblast. Agree. Tax too high, gas price too high. Omar robbed my stash again. Biden must stop the madness before the co op falters
May their ass forever be not in the ass.
sides are in orbit
Member when Russians downed a US Drone and celebrated? This is like 1000x worse
Can't really remember that well, did they ever manage to find the wreckage? I think they sent almost ten ships to go find it.
If they had they'd be parading it in Moscow like a Roman triumph
They lost a bomber too recently
Explains why shortly after they went after the patriot battery in kyiv so hard.
How does 4 planes being shotdown = 11 pilots dead? What math is going on here? The Russians keep using their fighters to shoot BVR missiles to fire from within their borders at Ukraine, but those are fighters. And probably not all two-seaters either. So, are larger craft being shot down?
two of them were choppers iirc
One of the helicopters was carrying officers.
Two helicopters is at least four pilots.
If the officers in the back of the helicopter were pilots, it checks out.
“Pilots” in this tweet is more accurately translated as “aircrews”. The two helos were EW aircraft and almost certainly had extra crew beyond pilot/copilot aboard to work the ECM equipment.
1 - su35 pilot
2 - su34 pilot and weapons officer
4x2 - helo pilot, copilot, ew officer 1, ew officer 2
That’s 11 casualties. Seems reasonable if they got Mercd by massive pac2 warheads
Arent those guys even more valuable???
No, weapons/radar/ew staff are not a valuable as pilots. Their jobs can be reasonably trained on ground based simulators. They’re still literally 1000x as valuable as a Mobik, though
>ground based simulators
You presume the Russians have those.
Soviet planes notoriously need up to 5 people in the cockpit
Yeah, if it was fucking Bear Bombers that got shot down. It wasn't.
soviets still use flight engineers extensively
It's a shame none were taken alive. Pilots being officers have intel you can act on. Then you just refuse to trade them back or cripple them so they're worthless.
I think they were shot down over Russian territory.
Holy fucking shit.
Yep, but these are Russians officers. Command treats them like mushrooms, feed them shit and keep them in the dark. So whatever intel they have isn't gonna be that useless unless we're looking into exploiting particular weaknesses from whichever aircraft they operate.
The Stinger systems have the same function for helicopters and jet aircraft, I wonder if they could target missiles as well with good aiming.
Ukies have apparently shot down missiles with stingers during the war
Not actually a stinger though.
They can. The Ukrainians have shot down Kalibr missiles with Stingers.
Its been 11 days of russian not bombing Chernigiv region daily.
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/tourist/ here, I know flares from vydia/movies. Why don't the pilots use flare to counter these AA missiles?
Because flares only work heat seekers and only sometimes. American missiles are good which means a multitude of sensors working together.
Fun fact. PAC3 knows what a cockpit looks like and aims the warhead for the pilot.
but the range of the pac 3 is 35km. planes were shot down in 60 km iirc
Their stats are classified
Max range or "effective" range?
>clobbles over your border in wooden shoes
>shoots down 4 of your aircraft and kills 11 pilots
I think im seeing double.
There are at least four Trudeaus in that pic.
There was an interview with an experienced Patriot operator who was getting upset about the Wikipedia stated range of Patriot but couldn’t say its actual range. It was funny because how much it clearly bothered him with the context that it was massively understated.
American pilots are apparently banned from sim games because they launch further than the official range
I personally know of a B52 crew that plays missions as an a10 squadron in dcs, fwiw
If the Radar can hit theoretical maximum before it's looking outside earths atmosphere why would you build huge, stationary, multi million missiles for anything less?
And it probably has clever tricks to extend the theoretical maximum. It wouldn't surprise me if it could do OTH detection and then use the missile itself as sophisticated illumination / tracking reflector or repeater. Could intercept targets beyond horizon, if they're still within missile range and radar power distance.
Well ifs sats can do SAR they can very easliy do radar tracking.
I mean the patriots generating firing solutions off networked air defense network has always been a thing to the point where it was even the main feature of it from in games from 2003.
>but the range of the pac 3 is 35km. planes were shot down in 60 km iirc
People really, really don't understand that America has the nasty habit of intentionally low-balling their effective capabilities, while nations like Russia and China like to overstate. Most Western countries do similarly to America, but at America's power-level, their doing so can result in some wildly funny surprises. Americans *are not* meme-ing when they say the real range or whatever is "classified" lmao
It's amusing how pervasive the habit has become. Just as another example: the "Medium" designation of AMRAAM has become increasingly out of date, considering that what was initially a replacement for the Sparrow has now taken over the duties formerly fulfilled by the "long range" AIM-54 Phoenix. The AIM-120 D-block operational range is still hush-hush, but the "theorized" stats are still pretty baller compared against anything outside of the Meteor or BVRAAM.
>the "Medium" designation of AMRAAM has become increasingly out of date, considering that what was initially a replacement for the Sparrow has now taken over the duties formerly fulfilled by the "long range" AIM-54 Phoenix.
This fact right here is what makes any and all of PL-15 vs AMRRAM threads silly.
Patriot has PAC-3 against ballistics and older missiles with bigger range that are mainly used again aircraft
I think the big problem is that the "ranges" given aren't actually ranges, but the range at which it can intercept at maximum altitude. Like, there is zero reason that a missile that can fly over 36km straight up would only fly less than that horizontally.
These are mainly billed as ABM systems, so it makes sense that the given figures are for the ABM flight profile trying to smack a missile at the edge of space and not for an AA profile where it's only trying to kill something at less than half that altitude.
I'm too lazy to read the thread and I'm not disagreeing with you but I urge you to remember that missiles can go much farther at high altitude than at sea level, because their propulsion isn't subject to atmospheric pressure while their drag is
Missiles that are fired to engage at further ranges typically climb to altitude to fly in thinner air and then come down for that reason.
It's like looking at a guy burying his axe in another guy's skull and asking why he didn't use his axe to defend himself. Maybe he tried. Maybe he didn't know he was about to get axed. Maybe the axe is steel and the shield is made out of rotten wood and the axe went through it. Maybe he blocked the previous axe blow with his shield but couldn't react in time to this one. There's a million factors to consider.
Why he didn't use his shield to defend himself I'm regarded
I regard you as a very nice person have a good day
Thanks anon you too
These don't go for flares.
You're of course right. I doubt the anon who asked the question knows what the difference between chaff and flares is though, so I assumed he means both.
He already admitted he's regarded and only plays video games. He's not going to even know what that thing is.
>why he didn't use his axe to defend himself
Because then the axe would be in the axe
You cannot fool a missile that homes on a radar signal by emitting thermal and UV radiation with flares.
Pic related, this is how the old PAC-2 model hits its target. The newer PAC-3 has a radar of its own.
Radar decoys are a thing.
If your radar warning is working and you're not overconfident/incompetent.
>Radar decoys are a thing.
Yes, and this is about using FLARES against radar-guided missiles.
Also, even if russia had such things available (which they don't), we are talking about american vs. russian electronics facing each other, it's not going to end well.
Nothing fancy needed. Most basic stuff is as simple ar flares - chaff, radar reflectors, towed RF decoy repeater. And Russians have somewhat better stuff than that, like record incomming signal and re-transmit with delay - radar will see two objects OTOH one won't have impulse rection of actual plane. Better stuff knows plane impulse response and can make it quite similar, not sure if Russians have this. Etc.
But with half decent procedures chaff can be enough - basically turn away from radar, release chaf, stay behind cloud. You're denied from area, but won't get shot down either.
The bigger question is, were the targets of enough strategic importance ( like long range missile carriers ) to use such expensive missiles? Like Mi-8 is a flying trash can. At best it can lob unguided missiles few km away. If it was Mig-31, Tu-22 or Tu-95 understandable. But anything else would be as wastefully dumb as Russian tactics.
Expensive. The most effective ones have to be towed so that they match the flight profile of an actual aircraft.
The flare equivalent against radar guided missiles is chaff, but it disperses and slows down in the air which allows the computer to reject the signals, it pretty much has to be deployed while diving to the ground and notching. The modern implementation of chaff is using your own EW to beam false returns into the chaff cloud and make it seem like the chaff is moving at jet speeds through Doppler shift.
My point is that missiles directed at Ukraine are often launched from the sea or Belarus and almost hug the western borders of Ukraine to bypass defenses.
>The modern implementation of chaff is using your own EW to beam false returns into the chaff cloud and make it seem like the chaff is moving at jet speeds through Doppler shift.
>The modern implementation of chaff is using your own EW to beam false returns into the chaff cloud
i think this is kind of uniquely F-35 since it can function as an EW/AWACS platform
most fighters can't fucking do that
I assumed aircraft like the Gripen and Super Hornet were modern enough to do that. EW suites were all the rage in 2000s 4th gen upgrade programs.
The missile knows where it is at all times.
The way the patriot radar guidance works allows them to track targets from multiple aspects, this means if they drop chaff, they will soon fly out in front of it and be reacquired. There's no passive counter measures that can protect from it, you would need multiple active e-war aircraft jamming the radar sites or an incredibly stealthy aircraft to counter the patriot system to effectively. It's incredibly deadly and accurate. Flares would do less than pissing out of the cockpit.
Look up multistatic radar if you want more details, it's insane.
Because Patriot isn't IR guided but it uses track-via-missile guidance and newer missiles (PAC-3) use active radar homing. Combined with advanced phased-array radar and decent electronics, it's hard to both detect and fool with chaff for example. The radar can perform ECCM and the missiles have home-on-jam capability.
>Patriot doesn't just mission kill, it guarantees the death of the pilots
Pilot seeking missile
>patriot locks on and fires at the fucking pilot
I'm pretty sure that'd be an honest-to-god warcrime. Ejecting pilots are considered 'out of combat' in a 1977 amendment protocol to the Geneva Conventions - you can only shoot them if they land and continue fighting on the ground.
And like most war crimes, it would be hilarious.
Who's gonna find out?
Geneva convention only apply to humans though
It not a war crime if it's the first time, and you say "whoops".
russia has already done its fair share of war crimes,war crime those ziggers back
Can you commit a war crime to someone actively doing a war crime?
War crime for a war crime makes the whole world war blind - Hammurabi
RIP that gorilla
i dont get this one. if a tanker flees his burning tank you can shoot him but you cant shoot the pilot of a flying tank
It has to do with the relative helplessness of ejected pilots.
A tank crew fleeing their tank are still fully mobile and unless severely injured are often ready to continue fighting. Ejected pilots can't do shit until they hit the ground.
seems like pintless videogame honor rules that have no place in a fight for survival
It's also a matter of killing someone that's ejected is usually just fucking dumb because either you're in enemy territory on a clock or they're in enemy territory and basically a guaranteed capture.
Or they're over water and dead/relying on rescue you could then shoot at anyway.
Pilots are officers.
Nice try, hohol HATO trannies. But all the patriots got kinzhal'd.
The missile knows where you are at all times.
It knows this because it knows where you live.
One missile battery should not be capable of stalling an entire nation's offensive capabilities.
>One missile battery should not be capable of stalling an entire nation's offensive capabilities.
This isn't even the first time this has happened this war.
I can hear incoherent screaming in Russian
How many of those systems are around europe?
I wouldn't worry about it.
>One missile battery should not be capable of stalling an entire nation's offensive capabilities.
depends entirely on how quickly it can be reloaded since theres no barrel to wear out
You don't so much reload a patriot battery as you drive away with the truck that's carrying the empty launcher and bring another truck carrying a full launcher
Dumb question, but do you need a special truck for it? Or in theory could any flatbed (or tilt bed) truck have the launcher on it? Then you drive up the new truck, link with the radar, command module, etc, and fire?
Wikipedia says you can reload, as in, there's special trucks that have cranes to remove the used canisters and load in the fresh ones. Kinda like the HIMARS crane truck reloader thingie i guess but fuck if i know
But what are the nation's offensive capabilities?
A I understand it there are actually two
All the cope about "wunderwaffles" can't deny that yes, HIMARS and now Patriot are effective at however miniscule numbers of them Ukraine has. F16 might create even bigger impact then, when air superiority will be finally achieved.
Rememeber that time half a dozen HIMARS stopped ALL large-scale offensive operations of the Russian military?
probably explains that massive missile attack on the patriot battery
They have two systems right? One from the US and the other from the Dutch?
One full battery from the US and one German battery with some dutch launchers
In terms of air defense Germany is a major contributor
At least two. One from U.S., one from Germany.
HOWEVER, there is some interesting information from Jan & Feb that suggests the U.S. might have sneaksied a second battery in ... which means possibly three,
And, don't forget Poland got two systems they set up on the Ukraine border. Which frees up a lot of capability and adds redundancy so the Ukie batteries have back up and can be used more creatively.
I seem to recall last year, when NATO & the EU were arguing over giving Patriots to Ukraine at all, that there was mention of Romania having one. I'm vague on that, but it makes sense. On the record or off. Which, again, adds theater capability that would take some duty pressure off Ukie systems to focus elsewhere. Plus, Romania and Ukraine have been coordinating and strengthening relations almost daily for a while now. IF Romania has such a toy, there is significant coordination possible there.
So, yeah, minimum two in Ukraine, plus maybe one, plus two in Poland, plus maybe one in Romania. That is a fuckton of coverage.
Reading between the lines of the Ukie statements I feel like they have all the air defense they're going to need. If you recall, last summer they were screaming constantly about air defense. They obliviously ran the numbers and determined they would run out relatively soon.
Nowadays, you almost never hear them bring it up. Even when there talk of that Patriot that was "damaged" the Ukie Air Force spokesman was like yeah I wouldn't worry about it.... as opposed to using it as an opportunity to lobby for more air defense.
The only thing Ukraine might be short of is PAC-3s, but I'm sure they can just place a battery in Kyiv and maybe one in Kharkiv or something to guard likely ballistic targets.
>Nowadays, you almost never hear them bring it up.
True. But russia also turned down the missile/drone intensity. Maybe monke is finally running low on hardware. Or he's saving it for the [some time] offensive
>plus two in Poland, plus maybe one in Romania
Be serious now. Those batteries in Poland and Romania aren't going to involve themselves, that would be a blatant act of war.
It raises an interesting question though... With all of the data being linked, what if you split up a Patriot battery and put the radar on the Polish side of the border and the launchers on the Ukrainian side? Would the r*ssians dare to attack the radar?
>Be serious now. Those batteries in Poland and Romania aren't going to involve themselves, that would be a blatant act of war.
How the fuck could russia even tell that it wasn't one of the ukrainian patriots? they don't.
>How the fuck could russia even tell that it wasn't one of the ukrainian patriots?
It's an unacceptable risk. If they *somehow* did then it's literally an act of war.
>It's an unacceptable risk.
to shoot a missile down in ukrainian airspace?
And do what exactly?open another front?
So what? What the fuck timmy gonna do?
>What the fuck timmy gonna do?
I'd like to remind everyone that moron who made the Timmy meme got killed by Timmy.
Ya Black loving fag
Puccians be like
me sowing: haha, fuck yes!
me reaping: wait, this isn't supposed to happen, what the fuck
I mean, fuck vatmorons to death but that wojak 100 word essay bullshit you might as well not post. Keep that horseshit to yourself and your facebook wall.
>Seething levels reaching thermonuclear critical mass.
No, your blurry, verbose shit and feelsguy straight out of 2009 is just terrible. Just baffling, no need to reply twice.
Fuck off, newfag.
is meme critique the new concern troll?
Idgaf if he is a ru shill or not, zoomer rage comics are garbage and shouldn't be here
God you suck
You don't know what this word means.
monke doesn't give a flying monkey shit about reality. If he decides he wants to accuse someone of firing a Patriot at one of his toys, he's not going to give the slightest fuck about something like evidence. He's just going to make it th efuck up and throe a tantrum anyway.
> tl;dr - nobody has a fucking thing to lose by vaporizing anything vatnik that comes in range
Zero risk. vatnikistan isn't going to be around long enough for any complaints to be heard by anyone who matters, and nobody will believe them anyway.
Poland engaging air targets in Ukrainian air space is Poland and Ukraine's business only.
Missiles aren't people, shooting down someones missile isn't an act of war.
What the fuck are you actually talking about? Poland and Romania's nieghbor is having their very sovereignty being threatened by a historical threat. They have every right to involve themselves in the war especially missiles that fly too close to their border
Better yet, the fuck would they do anyway? They can barely deal with random border incursions now, what happens when another full army invaded?
>reading comprehension fail
>fetal alcohol syndrome tier cognition impairment
What the blithering fuck are (You) even doing on this board? Find a search engine and read up on shit before you click on post.
No I clearly understood what you meant. Now explain yourself or shut the fuck up.
>Those batteries in Poland and Romania aren't going to involve themselves, that would be a blatant act of war.
How? Those countries have the right to shoot down missiles, especially since Russia has fired at least two into Poland.
patriot missiles aren't that long range, they can't cover entire countries alone. the radar might be able to see targets really far away but the missiles are about 100 miles against aircraft and a lot less against a ballistic missile
can the NATO batteries be datalinked to the ukrainian ones?
>can the NATO batteries be datalinked to the ukrainian ones?
Absolutely. Patriot is designed to share data with multiple NATO-standard systems. Even if it wasn't sharing data between two Patriot batteries would be trivial.
From the Dutch, that would be the Dutch Rudder. Image an equivalent of Death Hand from Harkonen.
>Russian air force can't even operate over their own air space in peace
well... they were launching glide bombs at Ukraine
which is what they can no longer do lol
Wasn't that like the first day the Patriot was installed? Not much since. I wonder if the US saw that and asked the Ukies to turn off/down its capabilities because it was so powerful.
This is pure speculation. Ukrainians have two patriot batteries and none of them will be placed near the frontline.
Why do irredeemable subhumans pretend to support the SMO?
why do you pajeets and serbmorons drink Puccian cum all the time?
No idea, but I know the Serbs do it because they are Turkish rape babies that bend the knee to anyone who they can use to project strength. It is in their innate nature do do so because of their culture being around 200 some odd generations of their women being raped by Turks. Hell, 60% of their language borrows from Turkish.
>tl:dr Serbs are absolute cucks and cannot defend themselves from any hostile action.
Even a broken clock is correct two times every day.
Reflexively taking the opposite stance out of pure contrarianism doesn't make you a free thinker, but another NPC.
Why does PrepHole root for the guys defending their homes from armed invaders?
Why do people believe NPCs are an exclusively western phenomenon?
Eleven pilots, that's worse than losing the aircraft itself, right?
Yeah, that's like 10% of their pilots
yes especially because russia has a bad pilot training program so every one lost is hard to replace and if they are replaced the replacement isnt as good
the God i pray to demands dead russians as sacrifice. it's part of my religion.
Fun Patriot Facts: If an aircraft uses Electronic Counter Measures (ECM), the Tactical Control Officer can set the radar to Electronic Counter Counter Measures (ECCM) mode which increases the amount of energy put out by the radar and can burn though most standard ECM pods. If a launched missile does get jammed, it switches to Stand Off Jammer Counter mode (SOJC - literally Sojack). This turns the missile into essentially an Anti Radiation Missile and it homes in on the source of the jamming and destroys it.
Those are some seriously impolite upgrades.
You know, I can understand how vodkamorons might read this and go
>"Yeah right, that's bullshit. No way they got that, we'd never fucking have that. No way they got it."
Like if you actually understand Western MIC evolution throughout the Cold War and the tech advancements both in private sector and (as much as you can find out) .mil applications, then you'll read what you posted and think, "yeah those are reasonable upgrades to expect." To the zigger, it's fucking pure sci-fi Battlestar Galactica shit.
>polish patriot battery protects polish sky
It didn't. Twice. And that's only what public knows. 2nd rocket spent 5 months in the forest before a random person found it.
anyone have a map of the air defense coverage a patriot system would provide in ukraine?
wouldn't it have had to be placed very close to the russian border to achieve this?
>Fuck around in the map
My heart is still broken, I know Russians are cunts and deserve every single thing that happens to them but she didn't... If God exists he will punish the Russians for the crimes they did against her.
>this will be a tourist attraction in 10 years
>Americans and Eurobros will dive to see what their tax dollars paid for
Reminder the Ukies already declared her an underwater cultural memorial site.
>Я тeбe пopoдив, я тeбe i вб'ю
Yes, fellow western allies, can I just take a quick glimpse where these super weapons are? Just curiousity, really :3
They can just roll up a launcher to the border. PAC-3 missiles have their own active radar seeker unlike the S-300/400 missiles in service.
What's the guesstimate for what aircraft got donwed?
I'm thinking at least one transport or strategic bomber ate an explosive telephone pole to the cockpit with that many pilots dead
2) MI-8 electronic warfare models
Wasn't that confirmed to be friendly fire?
>Tfw the truth is so embarrassing that you decide to claim it was friendly fire
It's a pity that no zigger pilot survived, because their history would be a nice reference point for sci-fi authors.
The moment they realized that SOMETHING is obliterating the entire strike package was probably the closest experience to an hostile aliens encounter, that we can get without actually encouraging aliens.
I mean it as a British Javelin and it is technically surface to air... it goes up in the air then down :^)
Nice and clean 1 minute of separation. You're gonna post the NATO chud pic next?
Indian levels of cringe
When Russia stop pretending and win against this clown?
>posting animal porn, turning the cringe levels up even further
I fucking hate you people
>posting animal porn to own da ukies
What the fuck is wrong with you?
He's got a mental illness known as "Being Russian."
>vatniks are spamming animal porn now
Also why was that thread about the ongoing Free Russia battle deleted? I think it’s great that they Russian military can’t beat a couple hundred guys within their own borders.
>post count 206 five minutes ago
I’m eagerly awaiting news of the latest embarrassment
>animal porn still untouched
Why are the mods defending the vatniks lately? It seems like they’re deleted random on topic discussion while leaving rule breaking shit up
maybe they misclicked because they were laughing too hard at the anon whose image spamming bot started uploading from his furry foot fetish porn folder (it had previously been vatnik meme spam) about halfway through the thread
Recently a thread about Belgorod went down, while another that was spouting Russian cope in the OP was left up. I’ve eaten a ban for asking why Russia seems to believe that Bakhmut was the end all be all. Some gay was spamming Russian propaganda on another board so I replied with the Nigeria with snow meme and the AIDS infographic. They gave me two separate bans for the posts to avoid me appealing.
Now the animal porn is left up. Something is fucky right now, did they employ a Russian or tankie recently?
the thread i'm talking about got completely nuked, but that was precisely what people were accusing the spammer of trying to do... so, yeah, you might be onto something.
the Kremlin's pathetically concealed Internet Research Agency had a lot of influence on janny cliques pre-war, i doubt that's totally gone away
Yeah, two days ago, when they did the cross-border raid.
Oh, yeah. You are right. Ukrainians won't go to hell for a while yet then. They'll let the Russians stay there alone. Thanks for reminding me.
Ah yes, believe this anonymous source. Totally trustworthy
>4 aircraft shot down
what aircraft were they? they definitely weren't all fighters or attack aircraft because then the death toll would be 4-8
2 jets , 2 choppers.
You americans could use it to actually have public transportation and cities that don't depend on cars.
At this point we're looking at what? A 97% efficiency at intercepting targets?
>Zaluzhnyi confirmed alive today
>some russian rustbucket confirmed hit by ukie drone today
Looks like we found out the reaso for incessant ruzzian seething
Not a great day to be a zigger. Zaluzhny doing regular appearances, several laughable fakes released, Russian government flailing around without a clue how to fix the hi-tech sector that they never had, Prigo dooming, that ship that "intercepted" Ukkie drones actually did it with its stern...
Im fighting with a Zigger right now. Does anyone have the Patriot battery from the other week that shot down the 7 missiles?? From my understanding, the Patriot battery is perfectly fine, but the Russians keep saying it's destroyed completely. Does anyone have the proof that it's fine? You know how they are.
Consider asking him if there were ever proofs of Patriot being hit in the first place. Becaus not a single time during the whole patriot debacle has there been one.
Basically, stop replying to ziggers with evidence to whatever bs they make up, in the end they will revert to npc dialogue strings like "your proof is from pro-ua sources" and "the confirmation is staged". Send him gore pic with a ruzzian fag instead and ask for proofs its not his father or something.