Patriot shotdown an a-50 in January

>They have probably a #PATRIOT Bn [worth].. Some of this is being used to protect static sites.. others are being moved around and doing some really historic things..One of them is a #SAMbush.. stretching the very edges..to engage the first A-50 system back in Jan"
>"The German trainers woke up that Ukranian battery in the middle of the night and made them march order emplace, fight an air battle and..take off somewhere..A month later they conducted some of their first #SAMBUSH..shooting down SU-27's along the border." (US Army)
So the AWACS that got shotdown in January wasn't due to friendly fire, but due to Ukrainians using patriots to shoot them down.
Source
https://x.com/AirPowerNEW1/status/1799841080084742508?t=TRcCdFnzdxakzj7Aqqoapw&s=19

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Also
    >"In order for #PATRIOT engage ballistic missiles, it has to have other systems around it to engage other targets..the Norwegian defense attaché..he kind of looked at the #NASAMS as the knight that protects king #PATRIOT" ( US Army)
    Nice to see other ADs work in conjunction with patriots.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I mean we knew this already lol the pederasts claim friendly fire when the Ukrainians hit their planes hard.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yea, i remember it vividly. Russians were so suprised that they suspected it being friendly fire.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      based US and Norwegians teaming up
      warms my nordic heart

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Can you marry me for passport exchange?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      it's called an Integrated Air Defence System, yes

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Layered defense bros we can't stop winning

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Nice.
    It was obvious only distant 2nd guess was s200 linked to patriot radars.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    THANK YOU PATRIOT

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >The tactical control officer that shot down that first #Kinzhal #Killjoy was 23 years old. " (US Army)
    The first hypermeme missile shotdown was from a 23 yearold zoomer.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >a 23 yearold zoomer
      ah fugg
      as if they weren't intolerable enough already

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Her sentence about the A-50 shootdown is a bit ambiguous, it's possible she was referring to one of the AD assets (i.e., S-200) being responsible for the shootdown, not Patriot. It's also possible that a Patriot radar was responsible for tracking, while the actual missile was something else.
    I'm being pedantic though. If PAC-2's were in fact responsible for those shootdowns, then Jesus H Christ what sort of black magic did Raytheon and Lockheed pull off. As a reminder the PAC-2 is rated for 160km of range, obviously we for the most part know these systems will be very capable even outside of this range, but we often assume maybe an extra 20km - 40km. We're talking about double that here. That's asinine.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think it's ambiguous though, she's talking about stretching to the very edges of the kinematic capabilities of the system. S-200 should not be challenged in terms of its kinematics by such an engagement, it's frickhuge after all.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >it's frickhuge after all.
        says nothing about its manoeuvrability

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You don't need to be particularly maneuverable to hit a A-50

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            fair enough

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Turns out she was referring to the first A-50 shootdown near Berdyansk, I was thinking of the second shootdown in Krasnodar Krai. Makes much more sense now, frankly asinine the Russians operated it that close even after the first SAMbush.
        I also still haven't fully internalized that Russia lost 2 fricking A-50's in this war.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Not to mention the ones damaged on the tarmac

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >PAC-2 is rated for 160km of range
      That's sort of why I'd thought about the A-50's being downed by a modified or 'accurised' S-200 system with some kind of black magic guidance, mostly because I just didn't really see the US coming up with some ad-hoc, special brewed Patriot missile unless they had something lying around in the prototype bin. Polished it up and said 'give this shit a go' to see what it does.
      I'm NOT agreeing with friendly fire from the Russians however they spin it for one major reason-
      >A-50's were the single point for networked AA systems
      So the guys sitting up there were the ones who gave the orders to prosecute targets coming in, off to various S-300/400 systems operators on the ground, I don't rightly know what they're doing now with the command point for the networking of the AA systems. Course, that doesn't exclude the SHORAD systems just having a desk pop once in a while, but I just can't see them being lit up by one of those and not being able to call off the hit from an A-50 or launch enough shit to stop it coming in.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >We parachuted a [ADA] team into ..and they did an assessment in December of 2021..They took some of our #PATRIOT folks/planners. They spent some time with the Ukrainians and looked at the problem set that..2 months later they were absolutely facing" BG Maurice Barnett
    So apparently, the army already planned patriots being deployed to the country long before Russia invaded.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >December of 2021
      >long before
      even in November we were talking about it
      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-11/u-s-warns-europe-that-russian-troops-may-plan-ukraine-invasion

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        November was when the military suspected there might be an invasion. December was when its imminent based on several observations and inside sources. Thats probably when the army took the time to quickly go inside the country and do a quick assessment on Ukraine's overall defenses/strike capabilities.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Or that they were considering it as a contingency.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Perhaps, but at this stage, it seems like the invasion is more likely to happen. Especially after the Russians were spotted making make shift hospitals

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Well, if you're talking US land ADA, there really isn't anything else. The US uses Stinger, Patriot, and THAAD. That's it. There are no medium-range SAMs, despite a couple efforts to follow Norway into the SAMRAAM business. So, if the US was going to send in an evaluation team, it's only natural that Patriot folks would go with it, because they were the only real game in town (aside from pulling retired missiles or systems out of storage).

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >We parachuted a [ADA] team into Ukraine... and they did an assessment in December of 2021... They took some of our Patriot folks/planners
    Nice, I hope we'll learn more about what happened behind the scenes during the early period of the war. I'm sure there were lots of shenanigans we weren't privy to

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >So the AWACS that got shotdown in January wasn't due to friendly fire, but due to Ukrainians using patriots to shoot them down.

    What? Everyone knew that and no one took the friendly fire claims seriously as it was just Russia trying to save face.

    Also: remember how the Georgian war was supposedly accompanied by multiple friendly fire shootdowns? I think we need to re-investigate that, as it may very well be that Georgian air-defense did shoot them down and Russians just lied.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      People suspected it being s200s or the russians being moronic and shooting down their planes. The briefing gave us confirmation about what the patriots were doing throughout the war along with a bit of pre war lore.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Fighterbomber had revealed sometime before that the Ukes were performing SAM version of an artillery raid, and the area the An-50 was shot down did appear to be within Patriot range of Berdyansk

        [...]

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >the AWACS that got shotdown in January wasn't due to friendly fire, but due to Ukrainians using patriots
    we knew it was zigger cope all along

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Damn, so it was the Germans that trained the Ukies on how to do SAMbushes, based Krauts

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Sambush is my new favorite world. Also, the Germ politicians got bigmad about it.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        German politicians always get in the way of things.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This is only more ridiculous, considering that even the Russians thought this might have been a friendly fire accident, so they had no idea what had hit them

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      If they were suprised by that, imagine what f-35s/b21s would do.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I'm going to be happy when the F16s start performing. Should get very spicy very quick.

        And, pretty certain they will be equipped to modern standards, and won't be alone.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Russians thought this might have been a friendly fire accident
      fricking moron, Russians CALL EVERYTHING FRIENDLY FIRE BECAUSE OTHERWISE WOULD MEAN UKRAINE BEAT THEM AT SOMETHING AND IT'S NOT ALLOWED

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I'd say its 50/50

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    it's interesting that DoD was more serious about preparing and helping Ukraine than WH and overall political leadership was scared shitless to do anything while DoD was thinking about Patriots back in fricking 2021

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The tug of war between the DoD/blinken and the WH has been ongoing since the beginning. The DoD wants to send more and to reduce restrictions, while the white house is more worried about escalations. The DoD alongside blinken basically had to drag the entire white house by the foot to approve more measures for ukraine.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >WH be like

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Sullivan should get testicular torsion

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Makes me wonder what the real story on the afg withdrawal is, knowing that c**t sullivan fricks up absolutely everything he touches. No way DoD thought it would fo smoothly.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          From what we've seen, the afg withdrawal was essentially a last second thought. They had to plan everything at short notice, which is probably something that the DoD thought would result in disaster. Blinken/half of the white house officials that are with him are probably the only ones keeping everything together at this point.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Tbf, antony is the only one with the balls. The DoD likely urged biden to use his executive order to prevent the collapse of the Afghan army by raining hell on the Taliban. But since biden likely advised against it(likely by kirby/Sullivan), he did nothing and go through with the halfassed plan that was just rushly made. Unironically enough, the whole Afghan republic collapsing could have been prevented if biden green lighted airstrikes/ground assaults against taliban forces when they were doing their offensive.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          From what we've seen, the afg withdrawal was essentially a last second thought. They had to plan everything at short notice, which is probably something that the DoD thought would result in disaster. Blinken/half of the white house officials that are with him are probably the only ones keeping everything together at this point.

          Tbf, antony is the only one with the balls. The DoD likely urged biden to use his executive order to prevent the collapse of the Afghan army by raining hell on the Taliban. But since biden likely advised against it(likely by kirby/Sullivan), he did nothing and go through with the halfassed plan that was just rushly made. Unironically enough, the whole Afghan republic collapsing could have been prevented if biden green lighted airstrikes/ground assaults against taliban forces when they were doing their offensive.

          There was an agreement signed between the U.S. and the terrorists in Jan 2020 in which the U.S. was supposed to be out by March 2021. Absolutely fricknothing at all was done to prepare for U.S. withdrawal until Feb 2021. What we got in Aug 2021 was half a clusterunfricked, as opposed to a full-on clusterfrick that would have blown up in March. Try to keep perspective on the actual timeline, and who signed off on what.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        it's interesting that DoD was more serious about preparing and helping Ukraine than WH and overall political leadership was scared shitless to do anything while DoD was thinking about Patriots back in fricking 2021

        Politicians being moronic cowards vs people that actually plan and fight wars trying to do their fricking jobs.
        A tale as old as time.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, it was pretty bad when even the fricking State Dept was starting to change their tune.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      it's the DoD's job to have all kinds of contingency operational plans

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ANOTHER-- oh, in January, okay.

  14. 1 week ago
    T-I-G-E-R-S

    Someone post the Armchair Warlord cope, it's hilarious

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      this one?
      there's... quite a lot to unpack here indeed.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Ah the good old having a stroke at the keyboard

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        He's going all-in, ill give him that much

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Copelord has always been a fan of The Big Lie, I guess

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        funy

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Square bodied mayan
    >Female
    >Full bird
    >#s
    You just know she’s gay too. Frick I’m glad I got out.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe actually listen to the video than basing it on screenshots/someone taking in views.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        DEI hands typed this

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >muh DEI cope

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