>spot hypersonic thing on radar >plot trajectory >shoot non-hypersonic missile on intersecting course with that trajectory
VIOLIN, you have now intercepted a hypersonic missile with a non-hypersonic missile. Patriot was designed to intercept hypersonic MRBM reentry vehicles. Kuckzhal is no different it just goes sideways instead of up and down.
Sure, but as long as the interceptor has the ability to reach the altitude of the missile, it's just a software and sensor precision problem to get the interceptor to where the missile will be at the right time. Both things the US MIC have gotten pretty good at over the past 15-20 years or so.
PAC-2 GME+, PAC-3, and PAC-3 MSE are capable of Mach 5. Also, PAC-3 has been shooting down Pershing II hypersonic MaRVs (Storm II target test missile) for decades with the PAC-3. Anyone who paid attention to the PATRIOT development since the Gulf War knows this.
I remember a briefing where we told a group of Air Force pilots the classified stats for speed, range and turning capability. They all went white in the face.
I'll tell you it's radar limited, and that is it. Figure the rest out.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>"it's radar limited" >this is its radar, a bigass phased-array slab on a truck chassis
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, I know what radar it uses. Did you know it can also use the THAAD X-Band AN/TPY-2? HINT HINT.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>X band surveillance radar designed to add a tier to existing missile and air defence systems. It has a range of 2,900 mi (2,500 nmi; 4,700 km). >Patriot Operational
range: >PAC-1: 56 mi (90 km)[citation needed] >PAC-2: 99 mi (160 km)[18][19] >PAC-3: 19 mi (30 km) against ballistic missile[20] >PAC-3 MSE: 37 mi (60 km) against ballistic missile[21]
Anon, that's a massive discrepancy if I'm understanding you right.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hence, the stated range is limited by the C-Band range, and resolution.
Take your highest realistic estimate based on other non-classified weapon systems. Then extrapolate for plausible future developments. Then double that.
>Sprint accelerated at 100 g, reaching a speed of Mach 10 (12,300 km/h; 7,610 mph) in 5 seconds.
Ignoring the patriot thing, why are Hypersonics even a point of discussion?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
thats total bullshit you know this right?
the first law of thermodynamics is ruthless
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
that's why it became white hot within seconds of launch
> Evidence and OP is Twitter screen cap > Twitter screen cap
When did PrepHole become /r/eddit?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
How does that change what's in the picture? Stop foaming at the mouth and go back.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
face it anon, there are only like 100 people browsing PrepHole anymore
things happen on twitter and other sites because thats where people are
the only thing that happens on PrepHole anymore is idiots obsessing about AR-15 builds and shooting schools
then crying CIA when those builds get used to shoot a school
the goal was to test if the missile could stop an ascending mrbm which its stupid to even think about it since this isnt not even the stage that its the fastest
thats like placing a patriot system next to the russian icbm's and claim it can stop them during their ascension phase which is true it can be done but...its not really in any way realistic isnt it
No, it wasn't. It was to intercept a maneuvering warhead. Hence, using the Pershing II MARV/ They would have used the Juno PATRIOT Target Vehicle (PTV), and not Storm II, if that was the goal.
It doesn't. They already claimed to shot one few months ago and it has been debunked. Just a psyop to make patriot look good after it's recent fiasco in the Middle East.
Hypersonic missile flies at such speed it would just perish into nothingness upon actually colliding with another object while in air, what you're seeing is either a kalibr dud (Russia has been using duds for a while to detect anti-air) or some random piece of anything ranging from ww2 bombs to some factory machinery or w/e.
weird because the Kinzhal in the pictures that was intercepted by the a Patriot SAM seems rough around the edges but pretty good all things considered.
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Hypersonic missile flies at such speed it would just perish into nothingness upon actually colliding with another object
Yeah but kinzhal slows down before hittinh target, stfu vatnik
Holy shit. The Patriot is incredible.
The Patriot knows where the Kinzhal is, because it knows where it isn't
The cope brigade is here.
I'm sorry but you can't take TB-2 and other drones apart as proven yesterday. Reminds me of the Ukrainian media who are posting S-300 boosters claiming those are the missiles they shot down.
why are you so upset anon? all this shootdown is confirming what we already know about non-glide-reentry hypersonic weapons AKA ballistic missiles, nobody else was convinced this was actually some potent unbeatable weapon but you.
i have read that the main reason hypersonics are a new wunderwaffe is because their trajectory can be altered in the final stage so its impossible to intercept.
i cant believe russians are that stupid to not include that feature into their own hypersonics.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
see there's a certain semantic quirk that vatmorons and chinks have been abusing for a while now, and that is using the very literal meaning of "hypersonic" (that being anything that goes faster than mach 5, including the german V-2 lol) to pretend that they have what would be called actual modern hypersonic weaponry by civilised people (that being hypersonic glide reentry vehicles and hypersonic cruise missiles) kinzhal is literally the second stage of an existing ballistic missile from the 80's strapped to a foxbat. yet every time it's brought up you once again see moron thirdies calling it new technology that western nations can't beat, when those western nations are the only ones working to build real course correcting, high ISP, atmosphere skimming or lower hypersonics.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
reddit moment
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>get BTFO >m-muh Reddit
You really do have a script, don’t you?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
did you get upset because i called you a moron? fucking pot calling the kettle reddit lmao.
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Hypersonic missile flies at such speed it would just perish into nothingness upon actually colliding with another object
Yeah but kinzhal slows down before hittinh target, stfu vatnik
maybe the russian just fucking lied about it beinc hypersonic? thought about that since all russia does is lying about their shit? at best this missile probably reaches mach 5 in the few seconds of flight making it barely hypersonic by technicality. but since hypersonic is the current defense industry buzzword technically hypersonic is good enough
Anon, the kinzhal is literally just a kaliber strapped to a mig 31 without the first stage since the aircraft brings it up to the required speed and height. It's "hypersonic" in the sense every ballistic missile is.
The Kinzhal isn't really hypersonic. Nor is it any russian or chinese missile claiming to be so. They are launched by hypersonic planes so they stay hypersonic for like... about 10 minutes. But past that it reaches "terminal phase" at which point it is just another conventional, poorly aimed, low moving missile. More concretely an Iskander. They're literally the same missile outside of the launching mechanism.
So the only way for a Kinzhal to be any faster than an Iskander withink Kyiv (City), would be for it to be launched from Kyiv (Province). And Patriot eats Iskanders for lunch.
Ok I should have elaborated. The plane itself is Supersonic. But point is, combining the plane's speed with the extra boost from the missile itself allows for hypersonic speeds at launch. But it starts decelerating literally the moment the launch ends, it stays hypersonic only for the time it takes for that deceleration to reach the prior speed, so it becomes supersonic very quickly, and becomes presonic long before reaching its target. That's why they can't be launched by any slower platform. No plane, no speed. It's just a ballistic missile launched by a very fast platform, nothing else.
>They are launched by hypersonic planes so they stay hypersonic for like... about 10 minutes
you mean supersonic mig 31s and no they are not hypersonic for just 10 minutes
they are iskanders with more fuel which means they use the absolute minimum to whatever ALT they are programmed from then on they start accelerating
"hypersonic" is just a propaganda buzzword. It achieves these speeds only at certain heights for some time in mid phase of flight, before it calibrates into hitting it's target and descends it slows down and is no longer hypersonic and can be shot down like any other missile.
Want the full story? The asylum know as Tumblr closed down and sent refugees to Reddit. Then east wiggeristan invaded west wiggeristan and Reddit invaded PrepHole. They contain all colors of the circus, a random example would be a canadian zoomer garden gnome on hrt completely detached from reality.
Is just like when you have super sonic speed.
And you just ran with your face in my slow moving fist.
Still the same effects of being punch with hypersonic speed
Also trajectory and probably predictable zig zag movements that has been beaten by NATO superior computation powers
>big missile comes from big fast plane, tracked from hundreds of miles away. >big missile doesn't steer because it's on a ballistic terminal trajectory. >put small slow missile in front of big fast missile >big missile fucking dies
>Oil depots in Russia continuously bombed by Ukraine >Wagner retreating from B-ACKMOOT on May 10th >Kinzhal wunderwaffle gets BTFO by US PATRIOT
Yeah, seems like they're having a hard time.
Yet, and actually they do it much faster. The ones from non-NATO countries do at least, that's why USA is having so much issue building a TRUE hypersonic.
See, the Kinzhal is actually very simple to explain, it's just a modified Iskander, and not a very thotough mod either. What the Russians did was just add a grapple to it so it can get carried by a hypersonic bomber. And so once launched, for an extremely short amount of time, it stays hypersonic. That is until friction slows it into being presonic, and past that point its just an Iskander, literally. So anything that can stop an Iskander can stop a Kinzhal.
Same goes for le chinene wunderwaffe, they're just ballistic missiles strapped to hypersonic planes. Pure propaganda with 0 real use. They're simultaneously more expensive to launch than their conventional variants while offering 0 real use advantage. That's why the west took one look at them and said "lmao bro wtf is wrong with you" while ESLs keep pushing them.
Depends on the point of its trajectory. At launch? Lol no. Anywhere near its target? Then it has the exact profile as an Iskander, so it gets intercepted the same.
There is no such thing as a hypersonic bomber. Kinzhal cruises hypersonic under its own power because its a big ass ballistic missile that gets altitude and a speed boost from its carrier
everyone itt needs to take a moment to apologize to the patriot. Some people were giving it a hard time but now it’s executed the most impressive missile shootdown in the history of combat. I’m sorry patriot
The usual flags are having meltdowns on 4chan over this. Despite all the whining from DoD retards about the heckin magabro chuds being Russia supporters its a lot of Euro flags I see on 4chan sucking ruskie dick over this.
Despite what 4chan and the media would really like to believe 90%+ of American MAGAchuds are civnats who love America and just hate libtards. Not 5th column retards hoping a foreign invasion would result in them being awarded a wheat field and sundress clad trad gf by whatever flavor of the month foreign power declares America a degenerate shithole that will easily be defeated.
>cant stop srbm's or irbm's which is why it was developed >surely can stop something faster than those
>oh wait sorry source is ukraine so lets see
>first photo is def not an iskander since its not conical and def its not more than one meter in diameter >second picture hides the shape for obvious reasons
how difficult can it be to do a fake news when you provide a literal photo of the weapon and yet nothing resembles the actual evidence?
Now that Patriot is confirmed to be the best medium ranged missile defense system in the world I’m curious to see what other US systems will come out on top. This is GMLRS all over again
Damn how does it feel to be American at moments like this? I remember how proud I was of our PT-91s killing vatniks and Ukrainians praising our Krabs but to wake up to news that your AM systems just humiliated a Rusmorons wunderwaffe just like that is another thing.
Rember when HIMARs was mogging the Russian supply line? It feels a lot like that but even more since Patriot was always called crap compared to the S-400
So why did all of America piss and shit themselves for 5 years about how they needed a quintillion extra dollars because they needed more money because they were SO behind in hypersonics?
What a meme.
That's what they've always done. Haven't you gotten the memo?
Scaremongering, exaggerate enemy capabilities. It's to secure funding that ensures they stay decades ahead of everyone else.
Because more money is always appreciated you stupid fuck.
Just because you're massively ahead doesn't mean you can afford to be complacent and not get even further ahead, even if that means overhyping your closest competitor's dogshit weaponry.
We basically pulled the same thing during the 2nd Taiwan Strait Crisis.
"Oh noes, the enemy has planes that can fly higher and faster than ours! We have no defense!"
"Lol, nope, we just developed heat seeking A2A missiles 2 years ago."
Pretend to be weak when you are strong.
Now I understand why Sun Tzu had to write onvious shit down
Basically that. The US has a pretty defensible position, lots of natural resources, top tier armed forces, and more money than Scroog McDuck and has been that way for nearly 100 years. We're used to playing things close to the vest.
Because we’ve been doing that for 50 years and it leads to us developing the most advanced equipment. We have such a gap over everyone because we made actual equivalents and counters to their claims, when they didn’t even have it.
thanks for the budget goyim, no refunds btw
I can only hope it went toward making doomdays devices and other cool shit and not into some gay shit like bonus salary for social workers in the army or outright corruption
one ukrainian(and pro ukraine) channel is denying it quoting air defense command
https://t.me/killpukin/14728
i'm trying to get another source from an actual news source right now
It’s not my fault you believe propaganda so easily
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I’m literally just waiting for confirmation. There hasn’t been any yet. I’m not the one “believing propaganda”
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Pic related
Patriot bros, we've won
That picture of an intercepted Russian hypersonic missile didn’t exist yesterday. Picture beats Russian state media. Sorry
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
A Picture is not enough
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes it is. Words aren’t enough. The picture seals it
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>please believe my state media over photographic evidence
kek no
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes it is. Words aren’t enough. The picture seals it
Alright. The fact that all these retards keep saying “we have a picture. Don’t ask questions, goy.” Makes me even more skeptical. I’m going to an actual weapons thread. See ya.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sure beats blindly believing state media like you
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
When will these shills fucking leave this board anon. Every fucking thread it's some twitter shit and a hive of tourists and NAFOs spouting shit, every fucking post that doesn't meet NAFO specifications gets jumped on as vatnik propaganda until everyone complies or leaves from frustration.
This used to be a shit board but it was our shit board. It wasn't a collection of organised gays from discord chiming into active threads across PrepHole using what are basically chicom tactics.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>not a new IP
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's right gay because this is my board not yours. Appreciate that PrepHole hates both Russia and NAFO and kindly fuck off.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're shitposting in an offtopic thread. So am I
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
he is having a freakout lol
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>this is my board
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Opinion discarded.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>this is my board
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME FOR CLAIMING STEEL IS CONCRETE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU SHOULD BE OF AGREEINGS WITH ME NOOOOOOOOOOOO*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~)
he is having a freakout lol
(You)
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
shills like (you) were spamming this board years and years before nafo cringe became a thing.
You're fooling nobody, zigger
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Holy projection. It's actually funny.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
anon, shut the fuck up, please
this isn't your personal sanctuary and screeching "NAFO" at everything is just as cringe and purposefully thread derailing as screeching "reddit"
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME FOR CLAIMING STEEL IS CONCRETE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU SHOULD BE OF AGREEINGS WITH ME NOOOOOOOOOOOO*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~)
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon I'm sorry that your years of shitposting about glorious T-14, Su-57 and S-400 turned out to be worthless but it's time to face reality.
Cпикep кoмaндoвaния Boздyшных cил oпpoвepг инфopмaцию o вepoятнoм cбитии Кинжaлa нaд Киeвoм в нoчь c 3 нa 4 мaя. >The speaker of the Air Force command denied the information about the likely downing of Kinzhal over Kiev on the night of May 3-4. >«Былa вepoятнocть пpимeнeния, нo бaллиcтичecкиe paкeты нe зaфикcиpoвaны. To, чтo тaм paccкaзывaют нeкoтopыe пpeдceдaтeли вoeнных aдминиcтpaций, oни yжe пoлyчили зa этo», - Игнaт.
“There was a possibility of use, but ballistic missiles were not recorded. What some chairmen of military administrations said, they have already been rebuked for it,” Ignat.
>reciecve a new system >suddenly a new capability is achieved
i wonder if the two things are related
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[...]
here you go ukrainian state media claiming the same
https://suspilne.media/466841-ci-bula-zbita-nad-kievom-giperzvukova-raketa-vnoci-4-travna-so-pro-ce-vidomo/
sure there is the possibility they don't want it to be publicly known, but it would be too late if the wreckage actually matches.
since it's a better source than a pro ukrainian telegram
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Olena Bogdanok >Article is just spasms about the Russian ALBM >Also not fucking seeing the evidence
You're disingenuous, a bigger, and worst of all, willfully dumb.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The Public Broadcasting Company of Ukraine (Ukrainian: Haцioнaльнa cycпiльнa тeлepaдioкoмпaнiя Укpaїни, romanized: Natsionalna Suspilna Teleradiokompaniia Ukrainy), shortened to Suspilne Ukraine (from Ukrainian: Cycпiльнe, lit.'Public') or UA:PBC, is the national public broadcaster in Ukraine.[1]
it clearly said the air defense command denies it
sorry, but you're coping
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it clearly said the air defense command denies it
Please provide the proofs, sar! See:
>That is what some heads of Ukrainian Adms confess there nothing, they already got paid for it
May I have their names?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
oh you're not ukrainian
anyway
it says they were rebuked for saying it did
and their names and irrelevant and you know it. it's ukrainian state media, so it's as official as it would get besides spokespeople of the army.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>and their names and irrelevant and you know it.
No they're not, and you know it. Give names, please. The UAF declined to comment on it, publically.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
you're making artificial demands to avoid admitting you're wrong
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, I don't take "sources familiar" "anonymous source claims" serious. Now, can you provide those names?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
moron it's ukrainian state media
what's so difficult to understand here you imbacile
and they're quoting this guy https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iгнaт_Юpiй_Poбepтoвич
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>moron it's ukrainian state media
I don't care if it was Jesus saying it. I want actual names, not "anonymous sources say."
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
vatnik absolutely seething
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
they are the source
they speak for the ukrainian government
jesus fucking christ, get it through your thick skull
and according to them the spokesman for the ukrainian airforce denies shooting down a khinzal >but what about the ones that were rebuked for saying the opposite before
they hold no significance
you are coping and arguing just like a russian shill
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Who are "they" exactly? The UAF denied to comment.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
the ukrainian state media speak for the ukrainian government
jesus fucking christ, get it through your thick skull
and according to the ukrainian state media the spokesman for the ukrainian airforce denies shooting down a khinzal >but what about the ones that were rebuked for saying the opposite before
they hold no significance
you're just a false flagging street shitter, ah?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the ukrainian state media speak for the ukrainian government
Do they? May I have the names of the people interviewed, please?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Do they?
yes >May I have the names of the people interviewed, please?
Юpий Игнaт
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>yes
They do? Proof? What are their names, please? Stop stalling.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>proofs
poo2loo
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm literally 100% NW. Euro, my shitskin shillfren.
You've mixed up your war monitors, there are many of them.
WarMonitor3 is the one people consider legitimate. The guy you posted is someone else entierly.
i never trust a turk
turkish men are the most vile speciments on earth
which is weird cause turkish women well...most of them are actually decent human beings
There's numerous accounts with the same moniker and you've posted one that likes to use Scott Ritter as an authoritative source; also, Oryx is Dutch not Turkish.
You think that’s grass growing out of the cracks and not grass scraped up from the field it landed in after being intercepted by a Patriot missile? kek
End of the day I'm not claiming they didn't shoot it down I'm questioning whether the top right picture belongs to the set. And yes I've worked with steel, actually quite a bit since I worked on tank restoration projects.
You work woth steel yet dont know what sheared alloy under light oxidation looks like. This is why you are being laughed at dumbfuck.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sheared alloy under oxidation.
I don't think you know what that means anon, you are not a steel expert, neither am I but since your claiming to be, how about you post proof. Steel doesn't have rock sediment nor does it look like concrete. I've seen steel look like dirt but concrete with rock sediment, no.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The image you think is concrete does not look like concrete and it looks way more like the pic you just showed. This is lazy gaslighting.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I appreciate you NAFO types and I genuinely want Russia to bleed out and fuck off for good but anon but let's be clear here this doesn't look like steel. And I absolutely impore you to prove me wrong with an analogous example you find online. Good luck.
It's is some glass fiber non metal high temperature resistance composite. Akin to shuttle thermal tiles.
FYI thermal tiles are porous silicon, not glass fiber. Retard
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Bro its concrete trust me concrete looks like metal!
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Shuttle tiles are just porous silicone. On Kinzal aerodynamic loads are higher so it's is also reinforced with fibres for better strength, most probably with glass fibers. You can see those fibres on the surface of the nose cose.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>FYI thermal tiles are porous silicon, not glass fiber. Retard
No, they were aluminoborosilicate (aetb), covered in a layer of Toughened Unipiece Fibrous Insulation (TUFI) and Reaction Cured Glass (RCG). Why are you so retarded?
>Hes still trying
You rusmorons have suicidal determination Ill give you that.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
[...]
Anon I've given examples of oxidized and sheared steel. You tell me which most looks like OPs pic? The answer is none of them.
If it's a composite then sure but don't fucking stand here and tell me that this metal that I've worked with for years is actually steel, it's fucking not. I don't need to prove it's concrete, I don't know what the fuck it is I'm just telling you shills that it's not steel and looks more like concrete.
I know it's hard for the NAFO monkey mind to appreciate but I'm more interested in truth than shilling for one side or another.
If you don't want to be compared with a Twitter shill then don't sound like a shill. I'm being pretty reasonable with you and all I'm getting from the shill monkey minds is hurr and fucking durr and zero examples that prove what your saying is true, that this is steel versus concrete or some kind of exotic composite. This shouldn't be complicated for you since you've got the internet and given you're absolutely certain that it's steel then I can assume also that you're familiar with it. Taken together you should be able to disprove my observation with a quick Google search anon. Good luck to you.
Don't want to be called a tourist/NAFO gay then stop acting like one.
The tourist/NAFO needs no proof anon. Why have proof when you can shout anyone down with gallons of low quality piss posts.
nafo doesn't exist anon you need to get over it
also they are morally correct in killing the invaders
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>also they are morally correct in killing the invaders
Agreed. It must shock you that there are people onPrepHole that hate Russia but also hate NAFO. Reflect on why that may be?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Reflect on why that may be?
cause you gays never do anything but larp
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>cause you gays never do anything but larp
So if you don't like NAFO therefore you like larping. Makes sense anon. Thanks for your contribution to this board.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Let me know if you think any in pic rel looks like concrete anon.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Everyone whos replied to you thinks you're a retard. You keep trying to claim an obvious alloy object is concrete. Are you paid by the post?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nice argument anon. I'm sure you've worked with 60 year old steel and know all about it. Feel free to post proof? Or you know you can be part of the gaggle of propagandists on here that are more interested in the message than the reality.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Post proof that it’s concrete
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Im sure your schizophrenic Russian to English autotranslate ass is correct that its concrete despite it looking nothing like it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Post proof that it’s concrete
Anon I've given examples of oxidized and sheared steel. You tell me which most looks like OPs pic? The answer is none of them.
If it's a composite then sure but don't fucking stand here and tell me that this metal that I've worked with for years is actually steel, it's fucking not. I don't need to prove it's concrete, I don't know what the fuck it is I'm just telling you shills that it's not steel and looks more like concrete.
I know it's hard for the NAFO monkey mind to appreciate but I'm more interested in truth than shilling for one side or another.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Except the images you posted look just like the downed missile and youve given no proof its concrete. Seethe more vatmoron.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
it's steel you blind moron. go be mute and blind too.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Excellent then you'll have no trouble finding a picture of steel that looks like it?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You still havent shown any proof its not steel and sctually concrete
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
NAFO exists in your head choom, just because you've mindbroken by talking to unhinged and vicarious twitter activists doesn't mean everyone that doesn't agree with you elsewhere is north atlantic gay organization. the fact that you bring them up constantly makes me suspect you spend a great deal on twitter, which means you don't belong and should leave.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you don't want to be compared with a Twitter shill then don't sound like a shill. I'm being pretty reasonable with you and all I'm getting from the shill monkey minds is hurr and fucking durr and zero examples that prove what your saying is true, that this is steel versus concrete or some kind of exotic composite. This shouldn't be complicated for you since you've got the internet and given you're absolutely certain that it's steel then I can assume also that you're familiar with it. Taken together you should be able to disprove my observation with a quick Google search anon. Good luck to you.
Don't want to be called a tourist/NAFO gay then stop acting like one.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Prove its concrete then.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Prove its concrete then.
I don't and I didn't claim it's concrete. I said it looks like concrete not steel. I said I don't know what it is other than that it's not steel. (You) claimed it was steel. I provided examples of oxidized and sheared steel showing it's not. I've already dispensed with my burden of proof. The tourists have posted nothing.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I don't and I didn't claim it's concrete. I said it looks like concrete not steel.
You're a fucking weasel
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I didn't claim it's concrete. >I said it looks like concrete not steel.
I want to talk to your manager, Pyotr, you're doing a shitty job.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Australian IP. >Work in defence >Have hated Russia since 1987 >Must be a vatnik
This is why NAFO fags are hated.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
New South Wales oblast?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
spazzing
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Bogan Boomerang from Victoria oblast?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Privet Pyotr from Melbourne autonomous oblast*~~
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Bogan Boomerang from Victoria oblast?
>NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
spazzing
It’s amazing how a bunch of twitter fags posting le funny doge meme have buck broken you so completely and utterly.
>Twitterfags
No they are kids, they write, talk and think as kids do. I don't hold it against them and there's very little point getting salty about them save for pointing out they are fags.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
100% kids
Every post is kinda dumb and surface level. Very easy to tell it's just a regurgitated opinion with no weight behind it
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
100% kids
Every post is kinda dumb and surface level. Very easy to tell it's just a regurgitated opinion with no weight behind it
>chimps out calling everyone who responds to him nafo >says they are literally kids
uhhh, you fellas ok?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
It’s amazing how a bunch of twitter fags posting le funny doge meme have buck broken you so completely and utterly.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
[...]
Anon I've given examples of oxidized and sheared steel. You tell me which most looks like OPs pic? The answer is none of them.
If it's a composite then sure but don't fucking stand here and tell me that this metal that I've worked with for years is actually steel, it's fucking not. I don't need to prove it's concrete, I don't know what the fuck it is I'm just telling you shills that it's not steel and looks more like concrete.
I know it's hard for the NAFO monkey mind to appreciate but I'm more interested in truth than shilling for one side or another.
NTA, but thick stell cracks caused by high energy rarely look like the shears you can expect to see in engineering handbooks.
See pic related.
It literally looks like some broken concrete casting, but we can all see its a soviet tank.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
is there snow growing out of it?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
or this . Its yamato armor plate used to test burger ap shells. Apart from the center of the hole where heat and pressure literally forged some bits, most of it does not look like steel at all.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You made the claim that it's concrete you fucking gay. You don't get to weasel out of this by turning burden of proof on its head. Prove it's concrete.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Then you should have no trouble proving its concrete
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Looks like the missile is in fact steel
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Looking at the pics it does look like a metal but not steel more like Tungsten the scrap marks remind me of the grind marks on a Tig tip and if it is a hyper sonic object I don't think steel itself would hold up the heat at those speed not to mention that those harder metals are way more brittle and can have a shatter type pattern when broken not to mention Russia has literal tons of the stuff around
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Anonymous
>. I'm sure you've worked with 60 year old steel and know all about it.
That's the central point of this idiot. He doesn't believe a thing he's barking, he wanted to drop a hot anecdote about how he saw other peopl working on metal once. This is what lonely people do, they attach to a controversy to share their personal stories and feelings.
ukie military air defense officer said that a target was shot down at a speed of 4.8 km on Twitter, but then deleted this tweet and said that the command fucked him for disclosing
Right here
https://defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/giperzvukovij_h_47_kinzhal_uspishno_zbito_zsu_foto_ulamkiv_j_pojasnennja_prichini_silnogo_vibuhu_unochi_4_travnja_nad_kijevom-11498.html
It’s amazing. These people do it for free. What do they think they are accomplishing? I love trolling, but this is beyond that. Spamming unconfirmed nonsense, gets debunked, rinse and repeat. I don’t understand these NAFO chuds.
>reciecve a new system >suddenly a new capability is achieved
i wonder if the two things are related
kys vatmoron.
Yea that’s misinformation. We have the pictures of the intercepted missile. I’m sorry it didn’t work out for you
here you go ukrainian state media claiming the same
https://suspilne.media/466841-ci-bula-zbita-nad-kievom-giperzvukova-raketa-vnoci-4-travna-so-pro-ce-vidomo/
sure there is the possibility they don't want it to be publicly known, but it would be too late if the wreckage actually matches.
I genuinely think there's some kind of external agenda to try and big up the patriot. Not a single official word from anyone about its use but we keep getting post after post claiming every missile shoot down must be the work of the glorious patriot system
While I'm always happy to see Russia getting it's tech proven to be shit. We really shouldn't be calling kinzahl a hypeesonic weapon. Every high altitude/medium range ballistic missile is "hypersonic" at some stage.
Kinzal is a cope project to strap a ground based missile onto a plane to cover for the lack of progress on real hypersonic weapons - hypersonic glide vehicles and air breathing hyperspmoc cruise missiles.
You could strap ATACMS to a plane, launch it at high altitude and call it hypersonic in the same way.
id it possible to predict the trajectory of the missille with that accuracy to a point that maybe the patriot missile just waited for the khinzal to hit it ? honestly if that’s what happened, it’s mad accuracy
Hahah fuck I called this- they were gonna launch Kinzehals at the presidential building in retaliation and Patriot was gonna take em out for the first time.
The wall thickness looks very high for that to be a missile nosecone, and Kinzhals allegedly have terminal seekers so the nose would have to be ceramic. But if it's not a missile part then what is it?
well checking the photos i can only say,that is not
concrete and its looks more like tungsten,besides i dont think that concrete can support the forces that a missile have to endure.
NTA but It's not concrete or steel, it looks like concrete as anon says but it's not, it's definitely some kind of composite. I know NASA uses an AG-4 composite because of hypersonic cross-flow instability but IMO I'm confused because missle tips usually use pyroceram which is a kind of ceramic that's usually attached to aluminum shroud, sometimes it's a cast silica (pic rel).
IDK some alloy composite but anon is right it's not even close to being steel, sometimes you see steel around the rocket motor and steel dorsels connected to the aluminum shroud but this isn't steel nor is this the motor shielding.
not a good day to be a zigger
not a good timeline to be a zigger
Were there ever?
Explain how a non hypersonic defeats a hypersonic?
The patriot has more capabilities than what it is officially reported.
maybe someone should've fucking told the ukies to not use it against a hypersonic missile so those capabilities can remain a secret?
>spot hypersonic thing on radar
>plot trajectory
>shoot non-hypersonic missile on intersecting course with that trajectory
VIOLIN, you have now intercepted a hypersonic missile with a non-hypersonic missile. Patriot was designed to intercept hypersonic MRBM reentry vehicles. Kuckzhal is no different it just goes sideways instead of up and down.
>it just goes sideways instead of up and down.
But isn't it a big deal for a missile?
Sure, but as long as the interceptor has the ability to reach the altitude of the missile, it's just a software and sensor precision problem to get the interceptor to where the missile will be at the right time. Both things the US MIC have gotten pretty good at over the past 15-20 years or so.
The Patriot knows where the Kinzhal is, because it knows where it isn't
>VIOLIN
I don't know why I loled.
wallah
How do trees defeat cars?
Stupid gay trees, oppressing innocent drunk drivers worldwide. WHERE'S OUR PROTEST MARCHES FOR JUSTICE???
>Explain how a non hypersonic defeats a hypersonic?
you have enough advance warning and its flying close by
this. you don't need to be hypersonic to collide with a hypersonic object. quick maffs
PAC-2 GME+, PAC-3, and PAC-3 MSE are capable of Mach 5. Also, PAC-3 has been shooting down Pershing II hypersonic MaRVs (Storm II target test missile) for decades with the PAC-3. Anyone who paid attention to the PATRIOT development since the Gulf War knows this.
Mach 5 unclassified.
I remember a briefing where we told a group of Air Force pilots the classified stats for speed, range and turning capability. They all went white in the face.
What are the classified stats?
None of your business.
I don't think
feels like getting bagged by the CIA like that Brazilian
>What are the true speed and range stats for Patriot?
I'll tell you it's radar limited, and that is it. Figure the rest out.
>"it's radar limited"
>this is its radar, a bigass phased-array slab on a truck chassis
Yes, I know what radar it uses. Did you know it can also use the THAAD X-Band AN/TPY-2? HINT HINT.
>X band surveillance radar designed to add a tier to existing missile and air defence systems. It has a range of 2,900 mi (2,500 nmi; 4,700 km).
>Patriot Operational
range:
>PAC-1: 56 mi (90 km)[citation needed]
>PAC-2: 99 mi (160 km)[18][19]
>PAC-3: 19 mi (30 km) against ballistic missile[20]
>PAC-3 MSE: 37 mi (60 km) against ballistic missile[21]
Anon, that's a massive discrepancy if I'm understanding you right.
Hence, the stated range is limited by the C-Band range, and resolution.
Ask this on the WarThunder forums. Maybe you will get an answer.
Nice try Vlad/Chang
Take your highest realistic estimate based on other non-classified weapon systems. Then extrapolate for plausible future developments. Then double that.
I wouldn't worry about it
Depends, do you mean in War Thunder or Minecraft?
Dear Anons,
Look up the dimensions and performance of the sprint and Nike Hibex missiles. Now look up the general weight of the patriot weapons.
Consider the year they were released. Consider how much technology can change in a decade, and how many decades between that and PAC3.
Now you have your answer, it's not a precise answer, but it's a very plausible answer.
>Sprint accelerated at 100 g, reaching a speed of Mach 10 (12,300 km/h; 7,610 mph) in 5 seconds.
Ignoring the patriot thing, why are Hypersonics even a point of discussion?
thats total bullshit you know this right?
the first law of thermodynamics is ruthless
that's why it became white hot within seconds of launch
That's incredibly cool, thanks anon
HiBEX could take 300 Gs.
Mach 9000
It can anywhere on the planet at any moment if it so wished.
You know how in anime a character might exclaim "N-NANI?! HE'S FAST!" when they see a very fast character move very fast? Thats how fast it is.
>in my mind it was real
>and then everyone clapped
Kek this board sounds like Reddit. You have never served in your life.
> white in the face
You seem to be very familiar with that site. Perhaps you should return.
> Evidence and OP is Twitter screen cap
> Twitter screen cap
When did PrepHole become /r/eddit?
How does that change what's in the picture? Stop foaming at the mouth and go back.
face it anon, there are only like 100 people browsing PrepHole anymore
things happen on twitter and other sites because thats where people are
the only thing that happens on PrepHole anymore is idiots obsessing about AR-15 builds and shooting schools
then crying CIA when those builds get used to shoot a school
the goal was to test if the missile could stop an ascending mrbm which its stupid to even think about it since this isnt not even the stage that its the fastest
thats like placing a patriot system next to the russian icbm's and claim it can stop them during their ascension phase which is true it can be done but...its not really in any way realistic isnt it
No, it wasn't. It was to intercept a maneuvering warhead. Hence, using the Pershing II MARV/ They would have used the Juno PATRIOT Target Vehicle (PTV), and not Storm II, if that was the goal.
yes it was
the test no09 and no11 the only ones being used with patriots had the system 300km away from the launch site
like who does this?
rangemasters trying to keep a test within their airspace? you can obviously see whatever was intercepted was decending.
yeah because surely they couldnt issue notams rights?
>test no09 and no11
Post these tests.
This
turns out speed don't matter as much when the defending missile is already in the target area.
It doesn't. They already claimed to shot one few months ago and it has been debunked. Just a psyop to make patriot look good after it's recent fiasco in the Middle East.
Hypersonic missile flies at such speed it would just perish into nothingness upon actually colliding with another object while in air, what you're seeing is either a kalibr dud (Russia has been using duds for a while to detect anti-air) or some random piece of anything ranging from ww2 bombs to some factory machinery or w/e.
weird because the Kinzhal in the pictures that was intercepted by the a Patriot SAM seems rough around the edges but pretty good all things considered.
The cope brigade is here.
I'm sorry but you can't take TB-2 and other drones apart as proven yesterday. Reminds me of the Ukrainian media who are posting S-300 boosters claiming those are the missiles they shot down.
why are you so upset anon? all this shootdown is confirming what we already know about non-glide-reentry hypersonic weapons AKA ballistic missiles, nobody else was convinced this was actually some potent unbeatable weapon but you.
i have read that the main reason hypersonics are a new wunderwaffe is because their trajectory can be altered in the final stage so its impossible to intercept.
i cant believe russians are that stupid to not include that feature into their own hypersonics.
see there's a certain semantic quirk that vatmorons and chinks have been abusing for a while now, and that is using the very literal meaning of "hypersonic" (that being anything that goes faster than mach 5, including the german V-2 lol) to pretend that they have what would be called actual modern hypersonic weaponry by civilised people (that being hypersonic glide reentry vehicles and hypersonic cruise missiles) kinzhal is literally the second stage of an existing ballistic missile from the 80's strapped to a foxbat. yet every time it's brought up you once again see moron thirdies calling it new technology that western nations can't beat, when those western nations are the only ones working to build real course correcting, high ISP, atmosphere skimming or lower hypersonics.
reddit moment
>get BTFO
>m-muh Reddit
You really do have a script, don’t you?
did you get upset because i called you a moron? fucking pot calling the kettle reddit lmao.
I accept your admission of defeat.
>
Hypersonic missile flies at such speed it would just perish into nothingness upon actually colliding with another object
Yeah but kinzhal slows down before hittinh target, stfu vatnik
I love the smell of zigger cope in the morning
in its terminal phase the thing is not hypersonic.
SIRS PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY RUSSIAN SUPERWEAPON NOT WORK SIRS
maybe the russian just fucking lied about it beinc hypersonic? thought about that since all russia does is lying about their shit? at best this missile probably reaches mach 5 in the few seconds of flight making it barely hypersonic by technicality. but since hypersonic is the current defense industry buzzword technically hypersonic is good enough
Anon, the kinzhal is literally just a kaliber strapped to a mig 31 without the first stage since the aircraft brings it up to the required speed and height. It's "hypersonic" in the sense every ballistic missile is.
Hypersonic isn't magic, it reduces reaction times.
That is a legitimately fucking genius way of explaining it.
interceptors are interceptors, not chasers.
You just need to be able to interpolate the trajectory.
The Kinzhal isn't really hypersonic. Nor is it any russian or chinese missile claiming to be so. They are launched by hypersonic planes so they stay hypersonic for like... about 10 minutes. But past that it reaches "terminal phase" at which point it is just another conventional, poorly aimed, low moving missile. More concretely an Iskander. They're literally the same missile outside of the launching mechanism.
So the only way for a Kinzhal to be any faster than an Iskander withink Kyiv (City), would be for it to be launched from Kyiv (Province). And Patriot eats Iskanders for lunch.
Which planes are hypersonic?
Ok I should have elaborated. The plane itself is Supersonic. But point is, combining the plane's speed with the extra boost from the missile itself allows for hypersonic speeds at launch. But it starts decelerating literally the moment the launch ends, it stays hypersonic only for the time it takes for that deceleration to reach the prior speed, so it becomes supersonic very quickly, and becomes presonic long before reaching its target. That's why they can't be launched by any slower platform. No plane, no speed. It's just a ballistic missile launched by a very fast platform, nothing else.
>They are launched by hypersonic planes so they stay hypersonic for like... about 10 minutes
you mean supersonic mig 31s and no they are not hypersonic for just 10 minutes
they are iskanders with more fuel which means they use the absolute minimum to whatever ALT they are programmed from then on they start accelerating
"hypersonic" is just a propaganda buzzword. It achieves these speeds only at certain heights for some time in mid phase of flight, before it calibrates into hitting it's target and descends it slows down and is no longer hypersonic and can be shot down like any other missile.
I hear Russians only do scuffed hypersonic thanks to GLONASS sucking donkey balls and dick. It slows down before doing the last corrections.
Math.
Same way I intercept a bombtrucking F-4C in my Harrier to shove an SRAAM right up its ass
No matter how fast you go distance to intercept can be covered if you have enough time and know the trajectory, Vatnik.
idk how did we get to the moon?
I could defeat it with a rock. Just a well positioned rock.
perhaps like so
Vertical lines are a gnomish conspiracy?
The missile knows where it is at all times by knowing where it isn't.
Either they used an ABM variant or this is just another pathetic chudigger cope.
Want the full story? The asylum know as Tumblr closed down and sent refugees to Reddit. Then east wiggeristan invaded west wiggeristan and Reddit invaded PrepHole. They contain all colors of the circus, a random example would be a canadian zoomer garden gnome on hrt completely detached from reality.
>Non Hypersonic defeats a hypersonic
It doesn't.
Is just like when you have super sonic speed.
And you just ran with your face in my slow moving fist.
Still the same effects of being punch with hypersonic speed
Also trajectory and probably predictable zig zag movements that has been beaten by NATO superior computation powers
>he fell for the hypersonic meme
Leading edge computing and semiconductors to do it (and industrial/financial base to support it) are a helluva drug.
speak softly, and carry a big stick
It's not a race. It's fire control.
It's almost like they are not chasing them.
The hypersonic isn't hypersonic 🙂
>big missile comes from big fast plane, tracked from hundreds of miles away.
>big missile doesn't steer because it's on a ballistic terminal trajectory.
>put small slow missile in front of big fast missile
>big missile fucking dies
wow
The missile from the patriot destroys the hypersonic
hmm so where did the anti-patriot gays go? they're awfully, awfully quiet.
>BUT MUH DATA FROM 30 YEARS AGO!
A Kinzhal interception? God damn
That'll do Putin some good next time he tries to insinuate stuff about aircraft carriers
>it's real
We just can't stop winning
>the cope brigade is here
Holy shit. The Patriot is incredible.
Today must indeed be a bad fucking day to be a Z fan
>Oil depots in Russia continuously bombed by Ukraine
>Wagner retreating from B-ACKMOOT on May 10th
>Kinzhal wunderwaffle gets BTFO by US PATRIOT
Yeah, seems like they're having a hard time.
>5'6"
Maybe in his Prada women's boots.
Is that Kadirof?
Omfg all russian leaders are just angry midgets
man this shit looks so ridiculously fake
Your mom's tits feel ridiculously fake.
>This is fake, I can tell from the material composition of the nose cone and from seeing quite a few intercepted hypersonic missiles in my time.
does the nosecone resembles kh 55 or kh 47 anon?
>ignored the other anon posting exploded steel
Confirmed BTFO
I don't know, you tell me.
now that this thing has been royally sneeded and chucked, vatBlack folks will move the goalpost once again.
why were they trying to bomb an empty field?
tracking algorithm was developed by painting yellow lines on a field
please understand
I dunno.
Maybe it wasn't empty when they bombed it?
>They thought it wasn't empty*
FTFY
Wouldn't actually be surprising if they were bombing an inflatable himars that was there a week ago.
Do you not see that it says "crashed in Russia"
Puccia supersonic wunderwaffe vs oikrainian peasant with slingshot 0:1
>it was just a hollow tube of iron the whole time
don't hypersonic missiles become pre-sonic when approaching ground so you can actually shoot them for example with patriot?
Yet, and actually they do it much faster. The ones from non-NATO countries do at least, that's why USA is having so much issue building a TRUE hypersonic.
See, the Kinzhal is actually very simple to explain, it's just a modified Iskander, and not a very thotough mod either. What the Russians did was just add a grapple to it so it can get carried by a hypersonic bomber. And so once launched, for an extremely short amount of time, it stays hypersonic. That is until friction slows it into being presonic, and past that point its just an Iskander, literally. So anything that can stop an Iskander can stop a Kinzhal.
Same goes for le chinene wunderwaffe, they're just ballistic missiles strapped to hypersonic planes. Pure propaganda with 0 real use. They're simultaneously more expensive to launch than their conventional variants while offering 0 real use advantage. That's why the west took one look at them and said "lmao bro wtf is wrong with you" while ESLs keep pushing them.
Another question is how reliably can patriots shoot down such "hypersonics", because as far as I know this is the first time?
Depends on the point of its trajectory. At launch? Lol no. Anywhere near its target? Then it has the exact profile as an Iskander, so it gets intercepted the same.
>Retarded moron wilfully ignored Patriots downing Pershings as practice in the 90s.
That thing goes 30mph at most
There is no such thing as a hypersonic bomber. Kinzhal cruises hypersonic under its own power because its a big ass ballistic missile that gets altitude and a speed boost from its carrier
jesus, how can someone so retarded talk so confidently about shit he doesn't even understand?
then answer this question
yourself
moron no one says pre-sonic but toddlers, how old are you? I think you need to fuck off back to 9gag
jesus, grandma with jar of pickles again?
everyone itt needs to take a moment to apologize to the patriot. Some people were giving it a hard time but now it’s executed the most impressive missile shootdown in the history of combat. I’m sorry patriot
I'm sorry Patriot.
imagine if we gave them THAAD or land based SM-3s. these are even more capable than the Patriot
SM-3 Can only intercept targets in space
The usual flags are having meltdowns on 4chan over this. Despite all the whining from DoD retards about the heckin magabro chuds being Russia supporters its a lot of Euro flags I see on 4chan sucking ruskie dick over this.
Despite what 4chan and the media would really like to believe 90%+ of American MAGAchuds are civnats who love America and just hate libtards. Not 5th column retards hoping a foreign invasion would result in them being awarded a wheat field and sundress clad trad gf by whatever flavor of the month foreign power declares America a degenerate shithole that will easily be defeated.
>cant stop srbm's or irbm's which is why it was developed
>surely can stop something faster than those
>oh wait sorry source is ukraine so lets see
>first photo is def not an iskander since its not conical and def its not more than one meter in diameter
>second picture hides the shape for obvious reasons
how difficult can it be to do a fake news when you provide a literal photo of the weapon and yet nothing resembles the actual evidence?
>bring this mad
Patriot just intercepted a hypersonic weapon and all you can do is cope and seethe. Nature is healing
ah the sweet smell of being owned
next time try to be less idiotic or use i dont know stable diffusion to do it
>your mad
>in a thread where Patriot intercepted a hypersonic missile
Delicious
ah yes afterall it totally looks like a iskan...sorry kh 47
They are both the same missile, retard. The 47 is literal just a ALBM
yes you fucking retard i know hence why i put the .....
Don't blame him for your inability to communicate, he couldn't have expected you to be too retarded to employ ellipses properly
Do you have autism?
Is that why you didn't understand and got mad over an obvious joke?
inability of detecting sarcasm is legit the most prominent symptom of dementia
you should check your self out
No one knew which exact part of your post you were sarcastic about, autist
Stop being a fucking moron and learn how to write
seriously schedule an mmse test
This is the internet, turboautist, leak how to write or go outside to learn how to talk first.
You don't know how to write
h&c anon. hype & cope.
Yeah, but the debri killed 25 NATO Field Marshalls and 6 Admirals.
Now that Patriot is confirmed to be the best medium ranged missile defense system in the world I’m curious to see what other US systems will come out on top. This is GMLRS all over again
Frankly I'm surprised it took this long.
Time for another spike in vatnik suicide statistics.
Damn how does it feel to be American at moments like this? I remember how proud I was of our PT-91s killing vatniks and Ukrainians praising our Krabs but to wake up to news that your AM systems just humiliated a Rusmorons wunderwaffe just like that is another thing.
Rember when HIMARs was mogging the Russian supply line? It feels a lot like that but even more since Patriot was always called crap compared to the S-400
I never doubted you patriot, but to all the haters and that one schizo babbling about israelis: A P O L O G I Z E
So why did all of America piss and shit themselves for 5 years about how they needed a quintillion extra dollars because they needed more money because they were SO behind in hypersonics?
What a meme.
That's what they've always done. Haven't you gotten the memo?
Scaremongering, exaggerate enemy capabilities. It's to secure funding that ensures they stay decades ahead of everyone else.
Because more money is always appreciated you stupid fuck.
Just because you're massively ahead doesn't mean you can afford to be complacent and not get even further ahead, even if that means overhyping your closest competitor's dogshit weaponry.
Pretend to be weak when you are strong.
Now I understand why Sun Tzu had to write onvious shit down
It's called the Shekel Shuffle, and they've been doing it since the Cold War. Fear brings in big money. Pretty simple.
Always assume your enemies are telling the truth and then be pleasantly surprised when they aren’t.
We basically pulled the same thing during the 2nd Taiwan Strait Crisis.
"Oh noes, the enemy has planes that can fly higher and faster than ours! We have no defense!"
"Lol, nope, we just developed heat seeking A2A missiles 2 years ago."
Basically that. The US has a pretty defensible position, lots of natural resources, top tier armed forces, and more money than Scroog McDuck and has been that way for nearly 100 years. We're used to playing things close to the vest.
Because we’ve been doing that for 50 years and it leads to us developing the most advanced equipment. We have such a gap over everyone because we made actual equivalents and counters to their claims, when they didn’t even have it.
thanks for the budget goyim, no refunds btw
I can only hope it went toward making doomdays devices and other cool shit and not into some gay shit like bonus salary for social workers in the army or outright corruption
https://t.me/insiderUKR/53911
dunno but this one says it's not it.
That’s incorrect information
it was confirmed as fake news
May I see Ukraine denying it. I don’t believe that account
one ukrainian(and pro ukraine) channel is denying it quoting air defense command
https://t.me/killpukin/14728
i'm trying to get another source from an actual news source right now
None of them are denying it. They all confirmed it. You’re posting propoganda
You’re flat out lying. This is embarrassing
It’s not my fault you believe propaganda so easily
I’m literally just waiting for confirmation. There hasn’t been any yet. I’m not the one “believing propaganda”
Pic related
That picture of an intercepted Russian hypersonic missile didn’t exist yesterday. Picture beats Russian state media. Sorry
A Picture is not enough
Yes it is. Words aren’t enough. The picture seals it
>please believe my state media over photographic evidence
kek no
Alright. The fact that all these retards keep saying “we have a picture. Don’t ask questions, goy.” Makes me even more skeptical. I’m going to an actual weapons thread. See ya.
Sure beats blindly believing state media like you
When will these shills fucking leave this board anon. Every fucking thread it's some twitter shit and a hive of tourists and NAFOs spouting shit, every fucking post that doesn't meet NAFO specifications gets jumped on as vatnik propaganda until everyone complies or leaves from frustration.
This used to be a shit board but it was our shit board. It wasn't a collection of organised gays from discord chiming into active threads across PrepHole using what are basically chicom tactics.
>not a new IP
That's right gay because this is my board not yours. Appreciate that PrepHole hates both Russia and NAFO and kindly fuck off.
You're shitposting in an offtopic thread. So am I
he is having a freakout lol
>this is my board
Opinion discarded.
(You)
shills like (you) were spamming this board years and years before nafo cringe became a thing.
You're fooling nobody, zigger
Holy projection. It's actually funny.
anon, shut the fuck up, please
this isn't your personal sanctuary and screeching "NAFO" at everything is just as cringe and purposefully thread derailing as screeching "reddit"
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME FOR CLAIMING STEEL IS CONCRETE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU SHOULD BE OF AGREEINGS WITH ME NOOOOOOOOOOOO*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~)
Anon I'm sorry that your years of shitposting about glorious T-14, Su-57 and S-400 turned out to be worthless but it's time to face reality.
Cпикep кoмaндoвaния Boздyшных cил oпpoвepг инфopмaцию o вepoятнoм cбитии Кинжaлa нaд Киeвoм в нoчь c 3 нa 4 мaя.
>The speaker of the Air Force command denied the information about the likely downing of Kinzhal over Kiev on the night of May 3-4.
>«Былa вepoятнocть пpимeнeния, нo бaллиcтичecкиe paкeты нe зaфикcиpoвaны. To, чтo тaм paccкaзывaют нeкoтopыe пpeдceдaтeли вoeнных aдминиcтpaций, oни yжe пoлyчили зa этo», - Игнaт.
“There was a possibility of use, but ballistic missiles were not recorded. What some chairmen of military administrations said, they have already been rebuked for it,” Ignat.
kys vatmoron.
Yea that’s misinformation. We have the pictures of the intercepted missile. I’m sorry it didn’t work out for you
Yikes please delete this it's triggering me
False propaganda is triggering. Just ignore and kek at the pictures of failed Russian hypersonics
When? All they said was, "No comments"
Nice source, Bezmenov.
see
since it's a better source than a pro ukrainian telegram
>Olena Bogdanok
>Article is just spasms about the Russian ALBM
>Also not fucking seeing the evidence
You're disingenuous, a bigger, and worst of all, willfully dumb.
The Public Broadcasting Company of Ukraine (Ukrainian: Haцioнaльнa cycпiльнa тeлepaдioкoмпaнiя Укpaїни, romanized: Natsionalna Suspilna Teleradiokompaniia Ukrainy), shortened to Suspilne Ukraine (from Ukrainian: Cycпiльнe, lit.'Public') or UA:PBC, is the national public broadcaster in Ukraine.[1]
it clearly said the air defense command denies it
sorry, but you're coping
>it clearly said the air defense command denies it
Please provide the proofs, sar! See:
нy блять мнe нaдo тeбe eтo пpoчитaть?
>У Пoвiтpяних Cилaх Cycпiльнoмy cпpocтyвaли збиття бaлicтичнoї paкeти нaд cтoлицeю внoчi 4 тpaвня.
>"Я вжe cпpocтyвaв тиcячy paзiв, ви мaли б цe бaчити вчopa. Бyлa ймoвipнicть зacтocyвaння, aлe бaлicтичних paкeт нe зaфiкcoвaнo. Te, щo тaм poзпoвiдaють дeякi гoлoви вiйcькoвих aдмiнicтpaцiй, вoни вжe oтpимaли зa цe", — cкaзaв жypнaлicтaм Cycпiльнoгo peчник Пoвiтipяних Cил Юpiй Iгнaт зpaнкy 5 тpaвня.
PS я зa вac, нo нe нaдo быть тaкoй yпpямы
>That is what some heads of Ukrainian Adms confess there nothing, they already got paid for it
May I have their names?
oh you're not ukrainian
anyway
it says they were rebuked for saying it did
and their names and irrelevant and you know it. it's ukrainian state media, so it's as official as it would get besides spokespeople of the army.
>and their names and irrelevant and you know it.
No they're not, and you know it. Give names, please. The UAF declined to comment on it, publically.
you're making artificial demands to avoid admitting you're wrong
No, I don't take "sources familiar" "anonymous source claims" serious. Now, can you provide those names?
moron it's ukrainian state media
what's so difficult to understand here you imbacile
and they're quoting this guy https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iгнaт_Юpiй_Poбepтoвич
>moron it's ukrainian state media
I don't care if it was Jesus saying it. I want actual names, not "anonymous sources say."
vatnik absolutely seething
they are the source
they speak for the ukrainian government
jesus fucking christ, get it through your thick skull
and according to them the spokesman for the ukrainian airforce denies shooting down a khinzal
>but what about the ones that were rebuked for saying the opposite before
they hold no significance
you are coping and arguing just like a russian shill
Who are "they" exactly? The UAF denied to comment.
the ukrainian state media speak for the ukrainian government
jesus fucking christ, get it through your thick skull
and according to the ukrainian state media the spokesman for the ukrainian airforce denies shooting down a khinzal
>but what about the ones that were rebuked for saying the opposite before
they hold no significance
you're just a false flagging street shitter, ah?
>the ukrainian state media speak for the ukrainian government
Do they? May I have the names of the people interviewed, please?
>Do they?
yes
>May I have the names of the people interviewed, please?
Юpий Игнaт
>yes
They do? Proof? What are their names, please? Stop stalling.
>proofs
poo2loo
I'm literally 100% NW. Euro, my shitskin shillfren.
>literally the only account that has some credibility along with oryx even tho oryx is turkish and they are known for their fake news
>I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IT MUST BE TRUE!
OK?
You've mixed up your war monitors, there are many of them.
WarMonitor3 is the one people consider legitimate. The guy you posted is someone else entierly.
>STILL seething about Oryx
You vatmorons trust turks when they reference bullshit numbers from some random Israeli source though
i never trust a turk
turkish men are the most vile speciments on earth
which is weird cause turkish women well...most of them are actually decent human beings
>i never trust a turk
Proof he's a roach?
There's numerous accounts with the same moniker and you've posted one that likes to use Scott Ritter as an authoritative source; also, Oryx is Dutch not Turkish.
>there was no Patroit system in Kyiv
>it didn't shoot down any Khinzals
>please do not launch anymore around this area
:^)
Uups forgot pic
>there was a possibility of use
you fuckers really cant read
Why does this thing look like it's concrete? I zoom in and I see grass growing out the fucking cracks? The fuck am I missing?
You think that’s grass growing out of the cracks and not grass scraped up from the field it landed in after being intercepted by a Patriot missile? kek
Have you never seen sheared metal in your life?
There's rock sediment in the composition though and that looks like real not artificial turf.
I've worked with steel and I'm telling you from that picture it looks like concrete.
You clearly havent worked with anything more complex than legos.
>Legos
Nice argument.
End of the day I'm not claiming they didn't shoot it down I'm questioning whether the top right picture belongs to the set. And yes I've worked with steel, actually quite a bit since I worked on tank restoration projects.
You work woth steel yet dont know what sheared alloy under light oxidation looks like. This is why you are being laughed at dumbfuck.
Sheared alloy under oxidation.
I don't think you know what that means anon, you are not a steel expert, neither am I but since your claiming to be, how about you post proof. Steel doesn't have rock sediment nor does it look like concrete. I've seen steel look like dirt but concrete with rock sediment, no.
The image you think is concrete does not look like concrete and it looks way more like the pic you just showed. This is lazy gaslighting.
I appreciate you NAFO types and I genuinely want Russia to bleed out and fuck off for good but anon but let's be clear here this doesn't look like steel. And I absolutely impore you to prove me wrong with an analogous example you find online. Good luck.
Don't bother, dude. They've already switched tactics and claim it's thermal tiles.
FYI thermal tiles are porous silicon, not glass fiber. Retard
>Bro its concrete trust me concrete looks like metal!
Shuttle tiles are just porous silicone. On Kinzal aerodynamic loads are higher so it's is also reinforced with fibres for better strength, most probably with glass fibers. You can see those fibres on the surface of the nose cose.
>FYI thermal tiles are porous silicon, not glass fiber. Retard
No, they were aluminoborosilicate (aetb), covered in a layer of Toughened Unipiece Fibrous Insulation (TUFI) and Reaction Cured Glass (RCG). Why are you so retarded?
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9ddd/452662265e24d6dbe33146c8a935329d8b81.pdf
>Hes still trying
You rusmorons have suicidal determination Ill give you that.
nafo doesn't exist anon you need to get over it
also they are morally correct in killing the invaders
>also they are morally correct in killing the invaders
Agreed. It must shock you that there are people onPrepHole that hate Russia but also hate NAFO. Reflect on why that may be?
>Reflect on why that may be?
cause you gays never do anything but larp
>cause you gays never do anything but larp
So if you don't like NAFO therefore you like larping. Makes sense anon. Thanks for your contribution to this board.
Let me know if you think any in pic rel looks like concrete anon.
Everyone whos replied to you thinks you're a retard. You keep trying to claim an obvious alloy object is concrete. Are you paid by the post?
Nice argument anon. I'm sure you've worked with 60 year old steel and know all about it. Feel free to post proof? Or you know you can be part of the gaggle of propagandists on here that are more interested in the message than the reality.
Post proof that it’s concrete
Im sure your schizophrenic Russian to English autotranslate ass is correct that its concrete despite it looking nothing like it.
Anon I've given examples of oxidized and sheared steel. You tell me which most looks like OPs pic? The answer is none of them.
If it's a composite then sure but don't fucking stand here and tell me that this metal that I've worked with for years is actually steel, it's fucking not. I don't need to prove it's concrete, I don't know what the fuck it is I'm just telling you shills that it's not steel and looks more like concrete.
I know it's hard for the NAFO monkey mind to appreciate but I'm more interested in truth than shilling for one side or another.
Except the images you posted look just like the downed missile and youve given no proof its concrete. Seethe more vatmoron.
it's steel you blind moron. go be mute and blind too.
Excellent then you'll have no trouble finding a picture of steel that looks like it?
You still havent shown any proof its not steel and sctually concrete
NAFO exists in your head choom, just because you've mindbroken by talking to unhinged and vicarious twitter activists doesn't mean everyone that doesn't agree with you elsewhere is north atlantic gay organization. the fact that you bring them up constantly makes me suspect you spend a great deal on twitter, which means you don't belong and should leave.
If you don't want to be compared with a Twitter shill then don't sound like a shill. I'm being pretty reasonable with you and all I'm getting from the shill monkey minds is hurr and fucking durr and zero examples that prove what your saying is true, that this is steel versus concrete or some kind of exotic composite. This shouldn't be complicated for you since you've got the internet and given you're absolutely certain that it's steel then I can assume also that you're familiar with it. Taken together you should be able to disprove my observation with a quick Google search anon. Good luck to you.
Don't want to be called a tourist/NAFO gay then stop acting like one.
Prove its concrete then.
>Prove its concrete then.
I don't and I didn't claim it's concrete. I said it looks like concrete not steel. I said I don't know what it is other than that it's not steel. (You) claimed it was steel. I provided examples of oxidized and sheared steel showing it's not. I've already dispensed with my burden of proof. The tourists have posted nothing.
>I don't and I didn't claim it's concrete. I said it looks like concrete not steel.
You're a fucking weasel
>I didn't claim it's concrete.
>I said it looks like concrete not steel.
I want to talk to your manager, Pyotr, you're doing a shitty job.
>Australian IP.
>Work in defence
>Have hated Russia since 1987
>Must be a vatnik
This is why NAFO fags are hated.
New South Wales oblast?
>NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
spazzing
Bogan Boomerang from Victoria oblast?
Privet Pyotr from Melbourne autonomous oblast*~~
>Twitterfags
No they are kids, they write, talk and think as kids do. I don't hold it against them and there's very little point getting salty about them save for pointing out they are fags.
100% kids
Every post is kinda dumb and surface level. Very easy to tell it's just a regurgitated opinion with no weight behind it
>chimps out calling everyone who responds to him nafo
>says they are literally kids
uhhh, you fellas ok?
It’s amazing how a bunch of twitter fags posting le funny doge meme have buck broken you so completely and utterly.
NTA, but thick stell cracks caused by high energy rarely look like the shears you can expect to see in engineering handbooks.
See pic related.
It literally looks like some broken concrete casting, but we can all see its a soviet tank.
is there snow growing out of it?
or this . Its yamato armor plate used to test burger ap shells. Apart from the center of the hole where heat and pressure literally forged some bits, most of it does not look like steel at all.
You made the claim that it's concrete you fucking gay. You don't get to weasel out of this by turning burden of proof on its head. Prove it's concrete.
Then you should have no trouble proving its concrete
Looks like the missile is in fact steel
Looking at the pics it does look like a metal but not steel more like Tungsten the scrap marks remind me of the grind marks on a Tig tip and if it is a hyper sonic object I don't think steel itself would hold up the heat at those speed not to mention that those harder metals are way more brittle and can have a shatter type pattern when broken not to mention Russia has literal tons of the stuff around
>. I'm sure you've worked with 60 year old steel and know all about it.
That's the central point of this idiot. He doesn't believe a thing he's barking, he wanted to drop a hot anecdote about how he saw other peopl working on metal once. This is what lonely people do, they attach to a controversy to share their personal stories and feelings.
Over quenched steel tends to act like like ceramics when struck. Concrete would have more aggregate in the cross section.
I’ve worked with steel and that’s steel
look up intercrystalline cracks and overload breakage. The surface looks matte and has a high roughness which is what you describe as concrete
>The fuck am I missing?
A brian, moran.
I have 2 Brian's locked up in my basement tho.
checkmate, gay.
I know a couple Brian’s and they don’t know shit about missiles
It's is some glass fiber non metal high temperature resistance composite. Akin to shuttle thermal tiles.
>The fuck am I missing?
Synaptic activity
not concrete its called flycrete special russian blend used in airframes and missiles
ukie military air defense officer said that a target was shot down at a speed of 4.8 km on Twitter, but then deleted this tweet and said that the command fucked him for disclosing
https://suspilne-media.translate.goog/466841-ci-bula-zbita-nad-kievom-giperzvukova-raketa-vnoci-4-travna-so-pro-ce-vidomo/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
/k/opers believed ukranian lies again.
Ah the metallurgy "experts" from 4chan are showing up now to do damage control
This shit is made out of poured concrete. Lmao, are pro-Ukraine shills this desperate?
New vatmoron cope just dropped
This shit is made out of steel. Lmao, are pro-Ukraine shills this right?
thats probably a kalibr
the first photo does look like a kh 55
Where does it say it was shot down by a patriot system?
Right here
https://defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/giperzvukovij_h_47_kinzhal_uspishno_zbito_zsu_foto_ulamkiv_j_pojasnennja_prichini_silnogo_vibuhu_unochi_4_travnja_nad_kijevom-11498.html
>literally a ukraine propaganda site
Unbelievable lmao
.ua
ah yeah that seals it then its a fake
All it says is that Ukraine has received patriot missiles
I'll ask again where does it say the patriot system was used
cope and seethe
Thanks I guess there's no proof then
No one has yet provided any proof
The tourist/NAFO needs no proof anon. Why have proof when you can shout anyone down with gallons of low quality piss posts.
It’s amazing. These people do it for free. What do they think they are accomplishing? I love trolling, but this is beyond that. Spamming unconfirmed nonsense, gets debunked, rinse and repeat. I don’t understand these NAFO chuds.
>Le nafo.
Seething at nafo won't make the hypermeme weapon effective.
Still waiting for proof it was the patriot system
>reciecve a new system
>suddenly a new capability is achieved
i wonder if the two things are related
here you go ukrainian state media claiming the same
https://suspilne.media/466841-ci-bula-zbita-nad-kievom-giperzvukova-raketa-vnoci-4-travna-so-pro-ce-vidomo/
sure there is the possibility they don't want it to be publicly known, but it would be too late if the wreckage actually matches.
They claimed to shoot it down with a patriot. I’m sorry you don’t like it
You posted russian state propaganda. Why would anyone believe this when there are pictures of the intercepted missile
ok now i'm sure you're falseflagging as pro ukraine
source
I genuinely think there's some kind of external agenda to try and big up the patriot. Not a single official word from anyone about its use but we keep getting post after post claiming every missile shoot down must be the work of the glorious patriot system
nah mainly just american nationalists
>supposed time of interception is just 4:20 reversed
come on man, how much more obvious do they need to be?
While I'm always happy to see Russia getting it's tech proven to be shit. We really shouldn't be calling kinzahl a hypeesonic weapon. Every high altitude/medium range ballistic missile is "hypersonic" at some stage.
Kinzal is a cope project to strap a ground based missile onto a plane to cover for the lack of progress on real hypersonic weapons - hypersonic glide vehicles and air breathing hyperspmoc cruise missiles.
You could strap ATACMS to a plane, launch it at high altitude and call it hypersonic in the same way.
Actually there is nothing wrong with Kinzal and strapping ballistic missiles to aircrafts.
>Actually there is nothing wrong with Kinzal and strapping ballistic missiles to aircrafts.
No there's not, but calling it a hypersonic weapon is cope.
SRAM wasn't a BM, though.
wtf there's daisies growing out of it?
That’s wood grain
what does the text on the side say?
Made out of industrial grade concrete
"Зa дeтeй" - for children (meaning it's revenge for children)
God I love when American weapons embarrass Russian weapons. This patriot shootdown is great
>Vatmoron doomposting when asked for proofs
Lmao its always hopeless for these retards.
id it possible to predict the trajectory of the missille with that accuracy to a point that maybe the patriot missile just waited for the khinzal to hit it ? honestly if that’s what happened, it’s mad accuracy
Why are we pretending this is a big deal?
Kinzhal is junk like any other ruski missile
>I'm sure to win because my speed is superio-ACK!
is this the first confirmed case of hypsersonic missile defense?
>Sorry, we didn't know it was hypersonic
Make the meme and I’ll post it religiously
Hahah fuck I called this- they were gonna launch Kinzehals at the presidential building in retaliation and Patriot was gonna take em out for the first time.
So wait, if it actually wasn't a patriot that did it then what did?
Are you guys saying that Russia's most advanced wunderwaffe hypersonic meme weapon got shot down by some decades old slavshit?
Bu...bu...Nafo, huh, Nafo, therefore the Kinzhal can't be intercepted. Pretty clear, huh.
The wall thickness looks very high for that to be a missile nosecone, and Kinzhals allegedly have terminal seekers so the nose would have to be ceramic. But if it's not a missile part then what is it?
Lmao a Patriot missile downing a Puccian wundetwaffe really mindbroke the shills.
why is PrepHole so dumb? how do they fall for obvious propaganda?
so its true or not?
well checking the photos i can only say,that is not
concrete and its looks more like tungsten,besides i dont think that concrete can support the forces that a missile have to endure.
NTA but It's not concrete or steel, it looks like concrete as anon says but it's not, it's definitely some kind of composite. I know NASA uses an AG-4 composite because of hypersonic cross-flow instability but IMO I'm confused because missle tips usually use pyroceram which is a kind of ceramic that's usually attached to aluminum shroud, sometimes it's a cast silica (pic rel).
IDK some alloy composite but anon is right it's not even close to being steel, sometimes you see steel around the rocket motor and steel dorsels connected to the aluminum shroud but this isn't steel nor is this the motor shielding.
Thanks anon I wish you were here before when NAFO gays were here but thanks..agree definitely not steel.
moron you literally thought it was concrete and thus fake. This is insane cope.
Read my posts dipshit. The only cope here is you believing I was wrong. I was right, take the L
>Patriot bros
You are just a fan of a missile defense system?
The weapon system was named after the Patriots of 1776.
It is a defensive weapon, so it only saves lives, doesn't blow up Russian children.
LMFAO, got any proof of this?
>lol, didnt think so