p90

The p90 is revolutionary, it has a beutiful futuristic design, and outclasses every other smg. It fires rifle shaped rounds, and is armor piercing with a high rate of fire. Why doesnt everyone use the p90? does it have any weaknessess?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    lotta people use P90s that aren't in the public eye. It's not like they're outfitting entire squads with them, more like a few here and a few there so it's widespread but in limited capacity. Talked to a PMC once buying ammo from him, he uses one and loves it for certain applications. I don't have any sources but plenty of specialized units have a few across the planet. assuredly it has it's weaknesses: ballistically; almost impossible to mount a magnified prism and bit impractical for LPVO; it's a little heavy for what it is, a little pricey to run. It's not perfect, but it's fricking great, make no mistake

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Nah they use the MP7 for its kind of applications now

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No the frick they don't.

        Plenty of groups still run MP5s over UMPs or MP7s because they're simply better.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          That and 9x19mm is common and MP5s are already in every arsenal.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Frick off, they'll buy NEW MP5s instead of UMPs or MP7s.

            I've even heard of HK trying to cut deals with LEO agencies by offering dirt cheap UMPs and MP7s and they will STILL order MP5s at $2.5k+/each

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm gonna make a wild guess and say the compactness comes at the price of being hard to repair and the autistic ammo may become obsolescent at some point or another. That rules it out for most militaries and governments.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      5.7 was standardized by NATO like two years ago, if anything it's becoming more prevalent. Before then, besides FN there were maybe 3-4 companies making anything else chambered for it, now there are like 10 with major manufacturers jumping in the ring, S&W being the most recent. Before then FN and Fiocchi were the only major ammo manufacturers, aside from small-batch boutique shit, now there's 4? more making their own from scratch, AAC being the most recent and driving prices down.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why the is that? The cartridge was irrelevant for like 20 years and now everyone is suddenly adopting it?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Probably because HK/Germany stopped being little b***hes about losing the NATO Euro PDW war.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          irrelevant? no. niche? yes. It's a very divisive round, people either love it or hate it.

          Even if they sold the original optic for 3-4 hundred I'd be happy. But I'm not paying the moronic aftermarket prices.

          there's an EU company making new production ring sights, black rings like the coveted secret service models but electronically illuminated. unfortunately they're like over 500 dollars (400 euros) but shipping even internationally is included in the price.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >there's an EU company making new production ring sights, black rings like the coveted secret service models but electronically illuminated. unfortunately they're like over 500 dollars (400 euros) but shipping even internationally is included in the price
            Any news on who's importing them?

            https://i.imgur.com/Fazz1qk.jpg

            >tfw my PS90 is out for delivery today

            Just out of curiocity where'd you buy it?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              one israelitegle search and 3 clicks later
              https://www.kingsviewoptical.com/products/electronic-black-ringsight/
              lazy frick

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Wait can you install this onto the newest gen 3 PS90 ?

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Just out of curiocity where'd you buy it?

              Gunjoker. After shipping, taxes, and FFL fees it will be right around $1600 total. Pretty sure its a Gen 2 judging by the 50k serial number and black ring sight. Listed as new in box but I have my doubts about how new it is since its missing the front sight tool but better than paying the going rate of $1800+ for the frick huge pic rail Gen 3 monstrosities.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >there's an EU company making new production ring sights, black rings like the coveted secret service models but electronically illuminated. unfortunately they're like over 500 dollars (400 euros) but shipping even internationally is included in the price
            Any news on who's importing them?
            [...]
            Just out of curiocity where'd you buy it?

            and would you look at that, i was wrong, $466

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              one israelitegle search and 3 clicks later
              https://www.kingsviewoptical.com/products/electronic-black-ringsight/
              lazy frick

              looks like a scam

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                no, the grimy homosexuals selling them for 800 on gaybroker are the scam. Ringsights themselves were revived and use Kingsview whatever as the exporter, dummy

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Probably because HK/Germany stopped being little b***hes about losing the NATO Euro PDW war.

          This is the only reason the 5.7 didn't totally displace 9mm in NATO use in the 90s, by the way.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody is adopting it. No agency or military uses it. Maybe some extreme niche like Secret Service but I've seen a lot of those guys just with cuck barrel ARs under their coats. The P90 would make sense for a high risk executive protection gun, something you have to carry all day but keep concealed and still look professional, but you don't want to only have a handgun.

          Civilian consoomers just want it so they can LARP pretending they'll use it for the purpose stated above someday, or because there's cool looking guns in 5.7. I'll tell you now if S&W made a 9mm that looked like the M&P5.7 I'd buy it just because it looks badass. I almost want to buy it in 5.7 because of how cool it looks but the round simply put underperforms. Secret Service would be better off if the P90 were in 9mm.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            "Nobody's adopting it, nobody uses it"
            >By 2009, the P90 was in service with military and police forces in over 40 countries. In the United States, Houston Police Department was the first local law enforcement agency to adopt the P90, acquiring it for their SWAT team in 1999. In 2003, the Houston SWAT team became one of the first agencies in the country to use the weapon in a shootout. By 2009, the P90 was in use with over 200 law enforcement agencies in the United States, including the Secret Service and Federal Protective Service. In response, the National Rifle Association added the P90 and PS90 to its NRA Tactical Police Competition standards, allowing law enforcement agencies to compete in the event using either weapon.
            "If only 5.7 guns used 9mm"
            5.7 was developed from the ground up as a successor to 9mm, and SS190 reliably penetrates lvl 3+ not to mention shit like Vanguard and Elite Ammo cooper bullets will do that same and FRICK YOUR SHIT UP afterwords

            A couple more points:
            A civilian interested in this "PDW" concept should just get one in a rifle caliber. We can't shoot full auto so lesser recoil isn't much of an issue. You'll at least know it's more capable and has soft armor capability.

            I'm also pretty sure the 16" barrel PS90 still doesn't penetrate soft gel past 12". I'm sick of watching the tests though. It does sp poorly in them, all you need to do is go to youtube and type in 5.7 test, gel test, penetration, expansion, etc or do the same in google images. If you invest in this round you're being sold snake oil. It's not even on the table for consideration as a duty round, ad a duty round is just a good all around performing round. It's not a good all around performing round, and the one thing it was designed for can already be achieved better with copper bullets through common handguns.

            just because shit doesn't lodge itself deeper in gel than I do in your mom's smelly sphincter doesn't mean it doesn't fricking work. All that means is that it's excellent for indoors, CQB shit by no over-penetrating and risking collateral damage.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Dude just go ahead and pay 90 cents a round for training ammo and have your super high tech enchanted round barely go through a Black person's hyde layer.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I think you meant 60cpr. only Black person pay more. I got a fair chunk of FMJ for 54cpr shipped like last month, get fricked

                Wait can you install this onto the newest gen 3 PS90 ?

                if it's not the ugly tri-rail, then yes, you can

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Have you had luck with that in a ps90? I keep hearing bad things and have just stayed away. AAC plans on having 50cpr full power loads so I've been waiting on that but their false start was not good.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I personally have never had an issue with the AE FMJ, except a box missing one or two rounds. That's it. and I've been through at least 2500 from various online and local vendors. I really don't know why people have had problems, I've had legitimately zero malfunctions or malformed rounds.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                forgot to mention I've ran them through PS90 and a PSA rock, more through the former. also I love both.

                did y'all know even fricking Tisas is making a 5.7 handgun now? I legitimately don't know what to expect next. I want to see one with a 5" barrel but a subcompact grip, like two-finger status that'll still probably hold like 16 rounds. 5.7 IS THE FECKIN FUTURE AND EVEN THE GODDAMN ROACHES KNOW IT

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If anyone wanted a 5.7 grip shorter, it could be a pretty managable DIY job. Complete spare Rock frames are just $150.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I actually have a half-wienered plan to do exactly that, but I just blew my monthly wad on another p80 build because the shit was so cheap. by the end of the month I'll have the world's smallest AND cheapest stabilizer build, just in time for supreme court to spank the batgays back into submission with their braindead "final ruling." I'll probably play with it for a week or two and sell it for double what I paid to get to work chopping a Rock frame and mag, I already know how I'm gonna do it and already have spare springs and baseplate to frick up. catch me in two months

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Hard to repair
      It's 90% polymer, the only metal under any stress are the bolt and barrel which are relatively easy to replace. It's a very, very simple gun.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Reload is kinda awkwards. It's in and down rather than just in and you can't hold sight picture while you do. Other than that it's pretty impressive.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why can't they make it 5.56 then it would be useful. 5.7 is a meme that doesn't work as it is supposed to.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'm gonna venture a guess and say you're a glockgay. "Just buy a glock dude, it's the only option. Just buy an AR, you don't need anything else." If you ran a restaurant your menu would be 6 flavors of the same option on a napkin sized card, serving nothing but pepsi products and watering it down.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        No point shitting on the best of the best. Just cause you drink Pepsi doesn't mean it is better than Coke.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you realize 5.56 is nearly twice as tall a cartridge and the ammo sits perpendicular to the barrel before riding a feed ramp 90°, right? that P90 runs on blowback, right? that you're a bona fide smoothbrain for even thinking this...right?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        So the gun will need to be bigger, not a problem. Blowback isn't a problem either HKs best designs are blowback

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        not that anon BUT I always thought you could do the P90 mag with bigger rounds if it was a side loading design instead of top loading.
        thankfully google saved me having to do a poor shop of an AR57

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Based. I knew it was doable. Now you have a much more better weapon.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          yes it is feasible mechanically but what exactly would be the point? the P90 has very ambi ergonomics. That all goes out the window with this kind of design.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >ambi ergonomics
            This is a meme when almost everyone is right handed.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              And a massive perk for everyone who is not while not bothering the righties. That is roughly 10 % of everyone shooting better.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Apart from Ian, lefty shooters are all worse than righties.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Hard to say if those claims have any basis in reality, but again: Why be against something that doesn't bother you?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                When I was in the Royal marines lefties had to learn to shoot righty because the SA80 isn't designed for lefty shooters. They adjusted just fine You are being a pedantic twit.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >That all goes out the window with this kind of design.
            Why is this a big deal?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This concept is a fun picture but it exposes the no guns.
          You've never;
          1)Worn a two point sling
          2)Worn a plate carrier
          And have definitely down neither of these and sat in a vehicle.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >you've never
            cringe. posting an image, stated to have been pulled off google in the moment, to illustrate what someone "could" do to design a rifle with a P90 style magazine actually doesn't mean I think it's necessarily a good idea or beneficial over conventional configurations. Bit too eager to go trying to dunk on others, sad.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You made the gay post on the Swiss sailing forum anon, it was their duty

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          you realize 5.56 is nearly twice as tall a cartridge and the ammo sits perpendicular to the barrel before riding a feed ramp 90°, right? that P90 runs on blowback, right? that you're a bona fide smoothbrain for even thinking this...right?

          The bigger problem is the taper of 5.56 (actually pretty mild compared to x39), which makes rounds curve when stacked more than 20 in a magazine. This is why 30 round mags are curved. The French had 25 straight mag for the FAMAS that had all kinds of issues.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Had the NFA, GCA, 922 law, and Hughes Amendment non existed, HK would've been able to R&D the G11 further by selling full-auto to the civilian market and had what is in your pic.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Slap a mag fed 20mm GL on the front and thats basically the ZHL-U1953 assault rifle from Deus Ex

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      price

      moron

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I can tell you've never shot living creatures with 5.7x28.
      Shit works just fine.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They can't make it in 5.56 or most actual rifle rounds because the mag has the bullets in it sideways. They could make it in various handgun calibers and holy shit would it sell. Personally I want one in .22, think what a neat compact survival rifle it would make.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        forget who, but they make a 10/22 P90 stock/kit if you want it that badly

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'm probably going to get this and put a 10/22 Charger in it with the 10" barrel. But the mags look dumb sticking out the bottom, so I'll probably just use flush fit 10 rounders. But that's dumb, a 10 round P90 in .22 instead of a 100 round mag on top or whatever ridiculous amount would fit in there. I'll just wait until some company that already makes .22 clones makes it.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Rims and tapers are the issue with putting various rounds in that orientation of magazine, more than length. .22lr would be harder to make work than 5.56 or 9mm. 10mm or .40 would be easiest.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It needs specially coated cartridges to aid extraction.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >open bolt blowback
    What more do I need to say?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >P90
      >open bolt
      No

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you need to say less.
      it shoots from a closed bolt.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    one of my favorites.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why did you kill my Snuffy?

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why doesnt everyone use the p90? does it have any weaknessess?
    it came way too late into the market was the problem
    all the People who needed SMGs already had settled on Mp5s and other shit
    Suddenly changing to the P90 after already having a perfectly fine SMG is too costly for how marginal the improvements were

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Why doesnt everyone use the p90?
      this alone should have gotten the thread swept

      You could say the same for the MP7. The MP7 is even more pathetic because of it's unicorn cartridge, at least because of the FiveSeven more than the P90 used the 5.7mm, and somehow now even more guns have come out, and are coming out, in 5.7mm

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    With subsonics, the 5.7 is everything the 22LR should've been.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw my PS90 is out for delivery today

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Be sure you call the FFL the minute it's delivered and ask if you can come pick it up

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, he is a kitchen table type and will call me when he is ready. This isn't my first rodeo.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >tfw the FFL wasn't at home to sign for the pack

          Frick.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >tfw FFL was at home today for delivery and I was able to pick up my PS90

            Still waiting on Scheels to ship my ammo...

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >futzing around with tax stamps
    pass

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because 5.7 is a fat fricking meme and wasn't even able to penetrate the Soviet body armor it was designed to.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Just go away and watch Stargate.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Even if he doesn't go away, he should still watch stargate.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        God I hope the reboot I keep hearing about isn't woke garbage even though we all know it will be.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I believe it was said in 2022 that the rumored reboot was likely canned.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That was the Roland Emmerich project, not whatever Amazon is working on.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        True, yes absolutely.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        and even if he doesn't watch stargate he should still go away.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The magazine is the most innovative part of the gun imho

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Because real life isn't a video game where a wide variety of guns are all more or less balanced to give a variety of gameplay options, and stuff like SMGs and PDWs have an incredibly niche use case today. Consider the entire PDW concept was intended for giving more gun to soldiers who were only issued a handgun due to how unlikely it was for someone in their position to ever need to shoot someone.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why doesnt everyone use the p90? does it have any weaknessess?
    it's Belgian

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I had one, it sucked.
    >mags pop out with a suppressor
    >mags crack easily
    >ammo is extremely sensitive to dirt/debris (malfs)
    >chamber needs daily squirting with carb cleaner to remove the lacquer buildup
    >expensive as shit ammo,often out of spec (AE)

    I WANTED to love it.Really.maybe they'll make one in 38spl, that would be cool

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HK 4.6mm is better.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      lmao no it isn't.

      Ballistically it's inferior.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The round its designed around couldn't even penetrate the Soviet paratrooper armour it was meant to defeat, so engineering wise it's a failure.

    It's conceptual use to be used by rear-echelon European stationed units who've had Soviet paratroopers dropped on them, is even bigger a failure, as once that's happened the game has significantly changed anyway.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      maybe telescoped ammunition could breath life into it with a more powerful round

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I think once that gamechanger in ammunition comes around you're better served to developing new platforms

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It's cool but it's like a shrunken rifle. They shrunk it too small to really be viable as a rifle. Also most existing ammo in 5.7 is crap, or the cartridge design just doesn't lend itself to functional ammo. 5.7 hollowpoints never expand, often the fragmenting ammo doesn't fragment, none of the ammo penetrates past 12" of gel. It's not some breakthrough, it's a wizzbang round from the 80s that was never fully adequate.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >It's cool but it's like a shrunken rifle. They shrunk it too small to really be viable as a rifle.
      It's actually not a rifle at all. It is a PDW, also known as a "personal defense weapon". The main principle of the design is to be as compact as possible while having 3 points of contact with the shooter for optimal accuracy and use in full-auto. The benefits are most noted in the ability to be stored and fired in extremely cramped spaces without issue.

      It was not intended to be used as a rifle even though the round it fires looks like a rifle round in the same way .45-70 looks like a revolver round but is not made to be fired from a revolver.
      >Also most existing ammo in 5.7 is crap, or the cartridge design just doesn't lend itself to functional ammo. 5.7 hollowpoints never expand, often the fragmenting ammo doesn't fragment, none of the ammo penetrates past 12" of gel.
      These are almost exclusively issues when fired from the pistol that also uses the 5.7x28mm round. The cartridge was developed for the 10" barrel of the P90. Longer barrels allow the projectile to accelerate for longer and therefore increase in velocity. At higher velocities, ammunition performs much differently than at slower velocities. The 5" barrel of the FN Five-seveN pistol causes the bullet to travel at a slower velocity than intended, and therefore produces effects not typical of what the cartridge was designed around.
      >It's not some breakthrough, it's a wizzbang round from the 80s that was never fully adequate.
      The round does exactly what it needs to do. Armor penetrating capability was always a pipe dream for extremely compact firearms like the P90. That being said, the P90 boasts a high rate of fire with controllable recoil and very high capacity all in a very compact and reliable package. The capacity and size in particular are leaps and bounds greater than any competing SMG or PDW on the market.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This is cope. PDWs in pistol calibers are not a concept a civilian should bother with. Just get good with a handgun if you want to shoot pistol rounds. You don't need the stability since you aren't firing full auto. But if you're really so bad of a shot that you need a stock to be more accurate at handgun ranges, just get a PDW in one of the popular handgun rounds. The ones that pass FBI standards. 9mm has no issue penetrating 12-18" of gel out of a 4" barrel. 5.7 can't do it out of a 10" barrel. The deal breaker for me is, it's not even good against common handgun rounds. 9mm performs better overall, and solid copper rounds do the armor thing (shh).

        As a rifle round it just doesn't hold a match to anything except 5.56, which imo is an inadequate round (controversial, I know). So what we're left with is something that doesn't cut it as a handgun round nor a rifle round. I love the P90 design, it's extremely space efficient, but the round sucks. Go watch some gel tests, I wanted to like it too but it doesn't add up. It will never be adopted as a primary duty round by any agency because it doesn't pass the FBI standard test, doesn't expand reliably, and deflects way too much against light barriers like a windshield or car door due to lack of bullet mass. The only things it has going for it are
        >higher capacity
        >lower recoil
        >AP capability if using a specific round

        You can literally use 9mm and have
        >good enough capacity (since when the frick is 18 rounds not enough)
        >low recoil (since when is 9mm high recoil)
        >AP capability if using a certain type of round (theres actually more types available for this than with 5.7)

        It just doesn't do anything much better, and in fact does a lot of critical things much worse.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          A couple more points:
          A civilian interested in this "PDW" concept should just get one in a rifle caliber. We can't shoot full auto so lesser recoil isn't much of an issue. You'll at least know it's more capable and has soft armor capability.

          I'm also pretty sure the 16" barrel PS90 still doesn't penetrate soft gel past 12". I'm sick of watching the tests though. It does sp poorly in them, all you need to do is go to youtube and type in 5.7 test, gel test, penetration, expansion, etc or do the same in google images. If you invest in this round you're being sold snake oil. It's not even on the table for consideration as a duty round, ad a duty round is just a good all around performing round. It's not a good all around performing round, and the one thing it was designed for can already be achieved better with copper bullets through common handguns.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This homie Kojimaposting whole Solid Snake cutscenes

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The round is inferior to 6.5 CBJ, the ergos won its competition, not the round.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          6.5 CBJ lost because it was in a moronic power drill looking POS that may or may not have ever functioned properly in the first place and definitely wouldn't have been the do-it-all from pistol to LMG they tried to shill it as. The round wasn't even that good and relied on a fricking tungsten sabot, and you have the gall to sit there and say a small 5.56 is the dumber option.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >seek ammo
          >6.5 CBJ
          >6.5x25
          >no results
          >wikipedia has two paragraphs and that's it
          >The standard saboted tungsten ball, when fired from a 300 mm length barrel, can pierce 9 mm (0.35 in) of armor plate and leave a 6 mm diameter entry hole. Against the same plate, both 5.56×45mm NATO SS109 and 7.62×51mm NATO M80 failed to penetrate.
          >The SS109 had a steel tip and lead rear and was not required to penetrate body armor.
          >M80 ball ammo can't pen armor
          well no fricking shit. try putting tungsten in anything like those or 5.7 and see where your no-name, no-availability unicorn shit gets you

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >sabots

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You mean an smg?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Technically, yes, but not all SMGs are PDWs so it's a notable distinction. SMG is any full-auto capable gun with a stock in a low power/pistol cartridge. Anything from a .22lr to arguably .50AE would qualify as an SMG. A PDW is any gun designed to be as compact as possible. A Sig Rattler would be a PDW even though shooting .300 BLK would disqualify it from being an SMG.

          It's mainly a doctrine description. SMGs were initially designed for assaulting trenches and buildings, while a PDW is typically issued for people not directly looking for a fight and is designed with that purpose in mind. The MP7 is a prime example as it is even fairly concealable.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    anyone who speaks against the p90 is possessed by a goa'uld

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The US Secret Service uses them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      USSS used them at one point, yes. I don't think they've been seen carrying P90s publicly in over a decade.
      Though sure, maybe they've still got some in use.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It makes ur Pepe small

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    FRICK YOU FN!!! SELL REPLACEMENT PARTS FOR THE DAMN THING IN THE COMMERCIAL MARKET!!! FOR FRICK SAKES STOP TURNING INTO HK YOU BASTARDS!!! I NEED PARTS!!! FRICK YOU FN!!! I LOVE YOU AT THE SAME TIME!!!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Even if they sold the original optic for 3-4 hundred I'd be happy. But I'm not paying the moronic aftermarket prices.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Frick I really wish they would sell the actual barrel length to vendors and the BCG for it (which FN calls it the "Moving Parts Assembly" specifically for the P90). Basically important parts like that.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    A design that could have been great if given continuous updates throughout the years but is unfortunately owned by a stagnant corpse of company kept alive by getting whatever little shill contracts they can from governments.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >straight blowback
    >futuristic

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The MP7 replaced it.
    At this point, the P90 is just an MP7 with worse handling.
    t. Policegay who used both

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >replaced it
      Well you can go and buy a P90, but due to german cuckoldry you cant buy a MP7. (yet)

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        the 4.6x30 ammo is ballistically worse anyway.

        Frick HK

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          4.6x30 better at armor pen, 5.7x28 better effects on soft targets

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            name a single obtainable weapon I can order, as an American civilian in a free state, that's chambered in 4.6x30. just ONE. I'll wait.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              https://cmmg.com/pistol-banshee-mk4-4-6x30mm-8

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                well twinkle my toes and call me shirley, you found one, abd would you look at that! it's the cheapest banshee I've ever seen, I wonder why...could it be demand is non-existent? could it be the only ammo available, while admittedly comparable in price to 5.7, is solely FMJ? weird. alright good job, anon, now let's look at 5.7 gun manufacturers:
                >FN, Diamondback, Excel Arms, Panzer Arms, Ruger, PSA, S&W, CMMG, Kel-Tec, Masterpiece Arms, even fricking TISAS KEK
                btfo

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Anschutz also makes rifles in 4.6 but you can't get them in the US. More than just one ammo company and more than one loading as well.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >2 guns in production
                >2 ammo manuf
                now give me a single reason why I'd give a shit

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but Jesus fricking Christ you're such an insufferable homosexual. I can sense the raised by single mother manic energy over your PrepHole posts.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                its my only outlet because i got nobody to be snide to irl besides my dipshit friends so it's always with a joking air, i never really get to be serious about it and here we are. they also kinda set themselves up for that shit, grasping at straws, i just couldn't help myself. and you're close, they divorced before i can remember and mom never remarried but both are still around, i blame the 50/50 custody that shit was a fricking STUPID idea

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Due to the difficult barrier of entry for ammo manufacturers, the 5.7x28mm round currently and will always cost more than the more affordable and easier to manufacture 4.6x30mm round

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                5.7x28mm requires the brass to be coated with a lacquer of some sort. Supposedly it aids in creating a seal in the chamber and since it's a blowback gun the tighter seal is beneficial.

                Makes it a pain the ass to reload, and probably more expensive to manufacture.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                oh that's right I forgot about that. I think it was for reliable extraction since it's case is straight-walled.
                But even so, 5.7 is at a lower CPR than 4.6

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I think mostly due to scale and NATO adoption.

                If 4.6 were being produced on the same scale it would be cheaper.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >replaced
      if germany didnt throw the biggest sissy fit of the 1990s they wouldnt even be in the competition

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Cucks you at the last second
    Nothing personal Dummkopf

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't really have a useful niche in the real world.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      combining picrel (same muzzle energy as 9x19) with zero muzzle rise out of a handgun, you might think twice. Yes, you need some pricey shit to hit that velocity just to match standard 115/124gr FMJ 9mm energies, but the ability to follow up shots faster and reliably LAND shots counters any detractors.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        moron.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >awkward reload
    >armor "piercing" .22 plinker
    Level 1+++++++ wearers beware!

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The main problem with the whole idea is that armor-piercing SMG is basically a meme. At that point you can just get a carbine. That also simplifies logistics because you don't need to introduce another cartridge and another set of magazines into the apparatus.

    5.7 makes a modicum of sense if you want a decent AP cartridge for your service sidearm, but the plethora of compact carbines that entered the market over the last 20+ years render the dedicated PDW concept pretty redundant. You may get some sales for specialised security roles (VIP protection etc.), but big military sales are going to be wishful thinking.

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What are some tips and tricks?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      ditch the frick-huge rail and buy a design machine or TROS one. Dana Haga has a nice line of upgrade parts that won't annihilate your wallet like some others will, inlcuding a dope cheek riser with a QD sling mount in it instead of the stupid belted sling setup. Also has two different barrel shrouds if you don't want to chop it short. Also, there's a flappy dust cover in the ejection port - if you pull your bolt back and close this door, it will act as a bolt hold-open, but don't proceed to disassemble with it held open or you're in for a surprise. And don't buy promags.

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Are there any noticable differences between gens? Are the older ones better?

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