P30sk

A P30sk, decent pick for a first handgun? Only ever shot a few handguns, kept in poor condition. And my pistol marksmanship leaves a lot to be desired. It does fit in my hand quite well. Want opinions from the /k/ommandos before I drop $850.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >hk
    >9mm
    >da/sa
    >normal accessory rail
    yeah pretty good

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It doesnt have good capacity.
    As a first gun you're going to be taking it to the range to practices, and only having 10 rounds in a mag isn't ideal.
    If you're working on your marksmanship then a sub compact pistol is not the one you might want.
    This particular subcompact isnt even as small as other guns like a p365 or a Hellcat and will be as concealable as just a normal gun, so the point of sacrificing performance for size is moot.
    Also, the rear dewienerer is unique to this gun so you're not learning anything that can translate to other guns.
    Its also more expensive than just a normal P30.

    If you're set on a hammer DA/SA in 9mm you can pick a whole bunch of other shit, even including other HKs like the USP or P30L, most of the CZs, the Berettas, etc.

    I'd probably recommend the Px4 Compact Carry if you're dead set on a gun with the same size and thickness and with literally 5 more rounds in the magazine at the same price point.
    https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/heckler-koch-p30sk-vs-beretta-px4-storm-compact

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I’m looking at a V1 LEM with 2 15rds. I do plan on concealing it. I’m somewhat adverse to buying a full size pistol for “training” because while my general marksmanship would be better, I wouldn’t know the concealed gun well. Also, while I like guns, it’s not something I want to dump a bunch of money into, nor do I want 3 cheap pistols floating around the house.

      I know it’s not truly a subcompact, but it definitely smaller than a USP or VP9. Definitely fits a good middle ground for me. I’ll look into the beretta and see if I can find one to fingerfrick.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Also forgot to include this, I am dead set on da/sa but don’t really care about caliber. I’ve shot a Glock or 2 and never liked how they feel. Could be bullshit because I don’t shoot handguns a lot but whatever. I would honestly prefer 40, 10mm, or 45 but that could just be all the fudd “stopping power” shut I’ve been taught.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah caliber probably doesn't matter that much, and if it does there's not enough good data to draw any conclusions (apperently .32 acp is the best round on the planet lol). just go 9mm because it's cheap and popular.

        That's not true anymore. All the P30/P30SK/VP9/VP9SK mags now have +2 capacity.

        Flush SK mags are now 12 rd. The midside mags are now 15rd and the grip is slightly shorter than a Glock 19 for the same capacity.

        damn I didn't know that until now, nice.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          The new capacity mags were just released recently so not sure if guns are coming with them or not. But the mags are now available and I think HK is coming out with upgrade kits for older mags with a new spring and follower to up capacity on older mags.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >just bought 2 15round magazines a couple months ago
            REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              It's 15 vs 17 rounds in a mag. Why care? I realized the same thing after I bought a couple HK mags, and it doesn't matter at all.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's not true anymore. All the P30/P30SK/VP9/VP9SK mags now have +2 capacity.

      Flush SK mags are now 12 rd. The midside mags are now 15rd and the grip is slightly shorter than a Glock 19 for the same capacity.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I recommend it, but just know that for a first handgun, the short sight radius of a subcompact will be unforgiving when it comes to accurate shot placement. You will need to put in practice time to get good with it, so also buy some snap caps and dry fire she the shit out of it. That will also help you get used to the H&K double action trigger. I've never shot the P30sk, but I own a P2000sk and I love it because it's a subcompact that has the recoil impulse of a compact/full size. It's surprisingly soft shooting. Also, ignore what the other guy said for reasons stated below.

      >It doesnt have good capacity.
      Lol, this is the first time I've heard someone mention muh capacity just for taking a gun to the range. I wonder how those guys managed to practice for most of the 20th century; their range trips must have sucked. But seriously, if capacity is that important to you, you know that you can use the 17 rounders from the VP9/P30 in the SK, right? Also, while the P30sk might not be as small as something like the P365, it's still easily concealable. Tons of people carried guns that size through the 2000s, and tons of people still carry Glock 19s that are bigger than the SK. It is not a challenge to carry the H&K.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It doesnt have good capacity.
      As a first gun you're going to be taking it to the range to practices, and only having 10 rounds in a mag isn't ideal.
      lmao larperator

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah... I only ever fully load my mags for carry. I usually just load ten (of sixteen) plinking because it fits more nicely when shooting fifty round boxes of training ammo.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hell, the last time I went to the range I only shot 1 box of ammo 2 rounds at a time.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      HK is good, DASA is good, I would say a gun with a longer grip and barrel would benefit you more in shooting well. You can do it here but your mistakes are much more pronounced and discouraging possibly.

      >rear dewienerer is unique to this gun so you're not learning anything that can translate to other guns
      This is such a dumb point.
      Every handgun has it's own manual of arms and controls are in different places, sizes, etc.

      The good:
      >HK fit, finish, & durability on every last part is unbeatable
      >Any trigger version gives you second-strike capability on hard primers
      >Once you get used to the weird paddle mag release it legitimately feels great in the hand, mag extensions only make it better
      >It's HK, so nobody can accuse you of being poor
      The bad:
      >Sights out of the box are kinda shit. Luminous paint sucks compared to tritium. Can be changed though.
      >Trigger is DOGSHIT. LEM and DA/SA both have the same problem; that is to say loads and loads of pretravel/trigger creep. You can get a trigger job to lighten the pull weight or reduce the reset, but none of these will ever make it "crisp"
      >Any optic milling requires a custom job
      >Basically no aftermarket if that's your thing
      >Limited holster options. Relatively few custom kydex shops make anything concealable for the P30 series
      >Same size as a Glock 26, but still noticeably bigger/heavier than a P365 or LCP, so not the most concealable weapon on the market

      >muh trigger
      It's not that bad even. Trigger snobs need to get over themselves. If your shooting relies so much on having a great trigger you probably don't have good trigger control as it is.
      I'll appreciate a good trigger, but I can shoot well with a mushy, heavy piece of shit and it doesn't bother me.
      >optics milling
      Not everyone's cup of tea anyway and for a first time shooter it'd probably do him better in the long run to get good with irons anyway.

      PX4 Storm all the way then

      >PX4
      This guns are ugly but they're really, really good. If OP is set on DASA they'd be doing themselves a disservice to not consider the PX4.

      Others to consider:
      >Beretta/Stoeger Cougar (basically a metal frame PX4)
      >S&W autos a la 6906
      >Lionheart LH9/Daewoo DP51 (basically Korean S&W)
      >Beretta 92 Compact
      >USP Compact
      >P2000SK
      >SP2022
      >Sig P228, 229
      >Arex Rez Zero 1 Compact (basically a Slovenian P229)
      >CZs

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm too lazy to individually search up all of those but let's hypothetically say that my must-haves are
        >caliber no smaller than 9x19
        >no less than 9+1 capacity
        >manual safety
        >no larger than a P30SK
        What choices are there besides the H&K or a P365?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I've got a Beretta PX4 Compact and it's great gun. Marginally larger than the H&K but that's with 15 rounds in the tank and there's a subcompact version with 13 rounds available too. Both are a little heavier than the H&K but that's not going to effect carry so long as you have a good belt and it'll soak up a bit of the recoil which is good for both accuracy and range comfort.
          I saw you mention wanting a larger caliber and the PX4 has both the compact and subcompact available in .40 with 12 and 10 rounds respectively.

          Honestly though, the differences are pretty marginal. If you prefer the look and feel of the H&K then go for it dude.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          6906, Sig P224, PX4 Subcompact, CZ Rami, P2000SK

          If you are willing to give a little there's the XD-E which holds 9+1 and there's the Bersa Thunder which holds 15 and is the same size as the P30SK but in 380.

          DA/SA rarely got to see polymer frames and subcompact sizes. When Glock became popular most manufacturers just decided to copy their formula and make strikers.

          Subcompact sizes became popular during the 94 AWB because people started to conceal more and wanted a gun only as big as the amount of rounds they were allowed to have anyway: 10.

          Also
          >manual safety
          You're an odd bird. Most DA/SA shooters only care for a dewienerer, even those that conceal. The heavy trigger and the ability to ride the hammer is the safety and peace of mind. Too often people forget to disengage safeties when they are under stress and need to.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I can live with DA/SA, SAO, or striker action if I like how the gun shoots, but I want something to pocket carry (at least in the winter) and even with a Recluse holster or something, I'd prefer to take my chances needing the extra half-second to switch it to "Fire" compared to sticking my finger in the wrong place when I empty out my pockets every night. I've seen not one but two LE buddies ND with DA/no safety guns.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              I don't understand why you would be concerned about sticking your finger in the wrong place if you just said you'd use a holster.

              Besides, you're an idiot if you want to stick anything else in your pocket anyway. P30SK is thick as it is, so even small height and length you need big pockets for that. Regardless, it could be a mouse gun, then it should still be the only thing in that pocket. Otherwise wear it OWB/IWB.

              Your LE friends are absolute morons, please inform them of such. There's plenty of people, myself included, that CC chambered striker fired guns with no manual safeties and never have an ND over the years.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cross the Sig P224 off that list. The thing was a pile of garbage that was only produced for four years until Sig discontinued it without ever getting it to work properly. The only reason I own a P2000sk is because the P224 turned out to be such a disappointment. Also, while the 6906 is a decent gun, are magazines still available for it?

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The good:
    >HK fit, finish, & durability on every last part is unbeatable
    >Any trigger version gives you second-strike capability on hard primers
    >Once you get used to the weird paddle mag release it legitimately feels great in the hand, mag extensions only make it better
    >It's HK, so nobody can accuse you of being poor
    The bad:
    >Sights out of the box are kinda shit. Luminous paint sucks compared to tritium. Can be changed though.
    >Trigger is DOGSHIT. LEM and DA/SA both have the same problem; that is to say loads and loads of pretravel/trigger creep. You can get a trigger job to lighten the pull weight or reduce the reset, but none of these will ever make it "crisp"
    >Any optic milling requires a custom job
    >Basically no aftermarket if that's your thing
    >Limited holster options. Relatively few custom kydex shops make anything concealable for the P30 series
    >Same size as a Glock 26, but still noticeably bigger/heavier than a P365 or LCP, so not the most concealable weapon on the market

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's HK, so nobody can accuse you of being poor
      You've never encountered Wilson Combat or STI chads I see. HK is a mid tier priced handgun lmao.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    don't overlook the optics ready VP9SK. Very similar gun, optics ready, and the VP9 trigger is in my opinion superior to the hammer options for the P30 unless you plan to get custom work done on it.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's also worth noting that if you look on Gundeals/Gunbroker you can regularly find SK's new in box for less than $700. Don't pay dealer pricing.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, HK is coming out with an improved sub compact, with 1 1/12 stack to compete with p365 etc. That is what I would go with, or the FN 1 1/2 stack that is also coming out, if you want the premium sub compact.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      That will be striker shit though, and this man wants the superior DA/SA.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        PX4 Storm all the way then

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Get something a little larger for your first gun. Small pistols are pretty snappy, and since you'll hopefully be spending a lot of time learning to shoot your gun, you might as well do it with a gun that's actually fun to shoot. There's no such thing as a subcompact gun that doesn't make you sore and annoyed after a full range day.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    buying HK nowadays is stupid. you're just doing it for the brand. get an M&P 2.0 like everyone else.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly for a first hangun I would recommend a ruger mk4 22/45. Why? It’s inexpensive, cheap for ammo to practice with, and it’s super reliable.

    Practice is the most important part. Make it cheap and easy to do it. Get a larger caliber for carry later.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/03/02/hk-sfp9cc/
    Something to consider; Hk is releasing a new carry-oriented pistol soon. May be worth waiting.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Won't be released in the US until 2025.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >H&K still has not released any hard pricing or availability details but the word on the street is that the pistol should be ready for full release sometime in the fourth quarter of 2023.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >fourth quarter of 2023
          In Europe. HK USA importing them is a long way off.

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have one in LEM. Not my favorite pick for a first pistol, but if the size means you'll carry it every day, go for it.

    My complaints are nitpicks from flat range bullshit, not daily carry. The 15 round mag extensions won't drop free because they contact the shooting hand palm, the sights are so chunky and sight radius so short that they are a pain for 20y+ precision work, the trigger reset is so long as to be silly, and if you plan to ever shoot a red dot you'll pay a fortune for milling. Reliability, barrel accuracy, and parts life have been great, and those are quite important.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    the P2000sk is better imo

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >A P30sk, decent pick for a first handgun?
    Sure. I carry a p30sks every day, but you could throw every polymer 9mm handgun in a bag and just blindly pick one out and it would be good, its all the same shit nowadays.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >grabs a Sig
      Uh oh

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Im in a similar boat to you my guy, complete noob with handguns and wanted a CC. I tried a Sig P365 and hated it, couldn’t hit a fricking thing. Now obviously that is 95% shooter error but it was awful. I bought a CZ P10S on a huge sale from Palmetto state armory. I absolutely love it. It’s striker fired and no safety so if that’s a problem for you then unfortunate. But I’ve put 375 rounds through it and it makes me a better shooter than I am, not worse like the Sig. it’s buttery smooth. I love it and can carry it in a loose t shirt. Best part is it was $380 not $800

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can hit a 6-inch target at 15 yards with a P365, which is what I'd consider acceptable handgun accuracy for my purposes, but my main gripe with the Sig is the overall build quality. I don't know to what extent the owner's manual exaggerates the need for maintenance but a new trigger return spring and recoil spring assembly every 2-5000 rounds is a little ridiculous when I try to get in 500 rounds/month. Sig customer service has alway been good to me with my other full-size guns (too impractical to carry), but I'm not exactly thinking about my warranty when I hear a click when I'm expecting a bang in a self-defense situation.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >couldn’t hit a fricking thing. Now obviously that is 95% shooter error
      It's literally 100% shooter error

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love mine, unironically more fun to shoot than my normal compact cz. I bought the V3 (Sa/Da with Dewienerer, no safety version) that came with night sights and 3 mags for like $700? Check the different UPCs (Some versions come with 3 mags, night sights, there's all of the le HK Versions 1,2,3) on gun.deals and find the best one you like.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Posting pic for proof of ownership. I bought the model 810005444, which is the V3 sa/da dewienerer, night sights, 2 10 round mags and a 13 round mag. Use gun.deals to find the model you want for the cheapest price.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        My bad, on mobile.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Is that the weird ball hammock lingerie holster that you wear between your underwear and cloths that doesn't actually attack to your pants?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah that pretty much sums up the Phlster Enigma. Still better than being forced to wear a heavy duty belt if you want to carry.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Shit trigger
    >Shit capacity for its fat size
    >Over priced, would be $250 less from anyone else but HK

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >thinks he needs a hair trigger on a sub kompact handgun with a 5 inch sight radius
      >17 rounds is shit for a sub kompact
      >literally just poor
      さすが

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    P2000ak is the superior gun.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Glock or M&P 2.0 or Shield Plus or P365X are the pragmatic approach.

    Even would consider the P2000 for a better "do it all" pistol since of the P30SK

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Honstly OP get a VP9 full size, preferably the optics ready one. Fricking mint trigger and easy as frick to get comfortable with.

      >sig dog shit
      lolno

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