>Outperforms American drones for 1/10th of the cost

>Outperforms American drones for 1/10th of the cost

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1/100*

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which denomination are we talking about

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Southern Baptist.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Outperforms
    Certainly not in range, payload, EW resistance, or capability.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bot

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >bot
        More likely to be Locksneed's Doorman of the Month who unironically does it for free.

        I mean America really hasn't put any effort into making drones because they can buy them cheaply from China. Can make the same dumb post about something America makes that China doesn't, like the entire low nanometer microchip industry

        >something America makes that China doesn't, like the entire low nanometer microchip industry
        Israeli, Taiwanese, and Br*tish designs manufactured in Taiwanese fabs powered by Dutch optics.

        Why do we always talk about DJI when FPVs are brought up? These aren't "DJI drones", all the frames are home grown and PCBs are custom made

        American institutions and military does not buy DJI drones due to obvious security concerns. They buy Skydio. Skydio can't compete in price on the consumer market thanks to chinese slave labor, manipulated yuan and IP theft, but they've managed to successfully lobbied DJI out. You can say what you want about lobbying but chink drones have no business being in used in anyone's security forces

        https://www.skydio.com/

        >Why do we always talk about DJI when FPVs are brought up?
        This is a valid question; they're genuinely different sub-sub-classes (no, that wasn't sarcastic) of UAVs.
        >These aren't "DJI drones", all the frames are home grown and PCBs are custom made
        FPV drones as used in this war are still nearly entirely Chinese, with respect to the components. Slavs just do more of the assembly/integration.
        >IP theft
        The "OC do not steal" of industry.

        https://i.imgur.com/odpGIzl.jpeg

        Unfairly and temporarily, yes, and people do care about the security aspect of it by not having a chink using your drone to spy for the chinese government without your permission. Thank you for admitting you were wrong btw.

        >Xitter screenshot
        >Dhiraj
        >contrasting China with India
        Counterpoint: you are Indian.

        >gets jammed out of the sky as soon as they encounter a professional decent army (See: how many FPVs and Mavics has Hamas successfully used against the IDF?)
        I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
        The reason western drones, even just loitering ones like switchblade, are so expensive is because they’re meant to work against what you shithole nations like China and Russia pretend to be (next generation armored and well trained soldiers using perfectly functioning (as advertised or better) vehicles and equipment.
        It just so happens that you’re so shit that they’re pretty much as wasted on you as a hellfire on a taliban goat.
        All the cruise missiles, long range drones etc have multiple contingencies in case of error so they won’t hit civvies or miss the target, algorithms and hardware against jamming by state of the art systems, tiny CEP etc.
        You want to beleive that tiny comercial drones make you equal because obama bombed your wedding or something (they dont)

        >muh EW
        Do not reply to me until Ukraine's allies' countermeasures have ended discussion of Russian drones. (And yes, the "second army of the world" is doing far worse. That's no excuse.)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Israeli, Taiwanese, and Br*tish designs manufactured in Taiwanese fabs powered by Dutch optics.
          None of those places are part of the PRC.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >FPV drones as used in this war are still nearly entirely Chinese
          FPV chips made in China?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            almost all FPV drones use STM32 chips and china is one of the countries producing them
            afaik they recently started making their own cheaper ripoff version

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>IP theft
          >The "OC do not steal" of industry
          This absolute disrespect for the laws that makes commerce between first world human beings possible is why China will always be treated like a joke

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Chinese drones are the best in the market, both FPV and recon drones like the Mavic. There's a reason why both Ukraine and Russia heavily uses them

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There's a reason why both Ukraine and Russia heavily uses them
        Yeah, because they can't afford better. If there's anything this war has shown, it's that having to go for the "cost efficient" option is not a good choice to be forced into.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the west has no market or industrial capacity for drones
          dji drones have the best technology and are also the cheapest relative to the tech

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >dji drones have the best technology
            No
            >cheapest relative to the tech
            Yes. Again, this isn't hard to do, running a slave factory that is also subsidized by the chink government. You're a giant slummy slave factory that never created the best version of anything and always will be

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Name a western drone company with better drones than DJI

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frick off moron. DJI is just cheaper, not better

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Parrot

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Northrop Grumman

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              dji had 10 thousand engineers 2015
              this is impossible to do in america and would take large government grants to create a market of their own and even still it would be too expensive.

              Frick off moron. DJI is just cheaper, not better

              waaa waaa waaa

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                china: 10k engineers designing drones
                us: 30k engineers designing burger delivery apps and optimizing advertisements of those burgers

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >more like 10k industrial spies

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            we consider those childrens toys, thirdy

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >dji prones
              >toys
              they cost more than your tricked out AR

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >toys
                Yes. People in the US spend more money on fricking RC cars and planes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >6k rc car
                rc jet maybe

                even a good rc good with difs isn't like 2 tops
                you're poor AND moronic
                tough life

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you're not refuting any part of my post where I said that Americans will spend an agregious anount of money on toys, more than what these chink drones are worth. Thank you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so the drones are a good deal?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So, literal toys outperform US military drones, got it

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              When picture is crystal clear you know it's DJI drone.
              When picture looks like worn out VHS tape you know it's American "military grade" drone.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the west has no market or industrial capacity
            Please elaborate

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the west has no market or industrial capacity for drones
            You Black folk said the same thing about US artillery production last year. You were proven wrong.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              name one western company producing small consumer drones

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anafi has a USA branch that makes their mil/leo Pareot drones

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There actually is one, Parrot - French company, they where the first to make consumer quad drones, way before DJI.
                Ofc I doubt they can actually manufacture drone on their own, all the ICs that are needed are made only in China.

                shit you're right, i actually thought Parrot went out of business years ago

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There actually is one, Parrot - French company, they where the first to make consumer quad drones, way before DJI.
                Ofc I doubt they can actually manufacture drone on their own, all the ICs that are needed are made only in China.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Honestly DJI won the commercial drone race by focusing super hard on ease of use. No one wants to buy a drone thats hard to use, the people that DO are just gonna build their own.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The second anyone is going to put up actual statistics, if we'll ever get them, about expenditure of these shitty drones vs them actually damaging or even killing a target it will turn out that you probably need a moronic amount vs actual weapons.

          Switchblade and those systems were MIC grifts though, but like other anons pointed out supposedly "designed for counter insurgency operations" which means their payload is shit vs an PG-7VL warhead. I'm also pretty sure that if the MIC actually tried and didn't grift like a bunch of cuns, actual engineers could come up with drone which vastly outperforms shitty FPV's, but why bother when all regular AT weapons outperform them.

          >it's that having to go for the "cost efficient" option is not a good choice to be forced into.
          The entire FPV drone thing is just scraping the barrel. People are also claiming +10km range on these things and being able to remain hidden as an operator, but I fricking doubt that. I'm pretty sure that with decent training an RPG-7 operator can put more rounds on target quicker, but perhaps faces a bit more risk. While a FPV drone operator might be more protected and have a greater first hit potential.

          >gets jammed out of the sky as soon as they encounter a professional decent army (See: how many FPVs and Mavics has Hamas successfully used against the IDF?)
          I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
          The reason western drones, even just loitering ones like switchblade, are so expensive is because they’re meant to work against what you shithole nations like China and Russia pretend to be (next generation armored and well trained soldiers using perfectly functioning (as advertised or better) vehicles and equipment.
          It just so happens that you’re so shit that they’re pretty much as wasted on you as a hellfire on a taliban goat.
          All the cruise missiles, long range drones etc have multiple contingencies in case of error so they won’t hit civvies or miss the target, algorithms and hardware against jamming by state of the art systems, tiny CEP etc.
          You want to beleive that tiny comercial drones make you equal because obama bombed your wedding or something (they dont)

          They're so expensive because money is being stolen left-and-right, suicide drones are fricking shit. Recon drones and having rockets, missiles or cannons that are accurate enough to hit your enemy are more important.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >gets jammed out of the sky as soon as they encounter a professional decent army (See: how many FPVs and Mavics has Hamas successfully used against the IDF?)
            I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
            The reason western drones, even just loitering ones like switchblade, are so expensive is because they’re meant to work against what you shithole nations like China and Russia pretend to be (next generation armored and well trained soldiers using perfectly functioning (as advertised or better) vehicles and equipment.
            It just so happens that you’re so shit that they’re pretty much as wasted on you as a hellfire on a taliban goat.
            All the cruise missiles, long range drones etc have multiple contingencies in case of error so they won’t hit civvies or miss the target, algorithms and hardware against jamming by state of the art systems, tiny CEP etc.
            You want to beleive that tiny comercial drones make you equal because obama bombed your wedding or something (they dont)

            China invented nothing. Everything belongs to America

            https://i.imgur.com/25U1rnE.jpeg

            >dji drones have the best technology
            No
            >cheapest relative to the tech
            Yes. Again, this isn't hard to do, running a slave factory that is also subsidized by the chink government. You're a giant slummy slave factory that never created the best version of anything and always will be

            Nobody knows anything about drone warfare in this thread
            its so strange and funny
            I don't think MICs know much either so i'll forgive you guys

            its very fresh and game changing stuff these drones and you guys are making alot of points that are completely unfounded

            I really wish these threads would do alot more debating and hypothesizing and autism crossbreeding
            but you all instead argue like crabs in a bucket

            this is why China is wins allll the time.
            I'm disappointed in all of you

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >this is why China is wins allll the time.
              yeah

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >this is why China is wins allll the time
              When did China won?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                CHINA NUMBA ONE

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >in the market
        The commercial market.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There's a reason why both Ukraine and Russia heavily uses them
        Because they are produced in such a vast number that you can order them in bulk on Alibaba ?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >there's a reason poor people use cheap crap
        Yes and that reason is obvious to everyone with an iq above room temp.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Implessive

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >slave factory with state subsidies can make a thing cheaper
    wow

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean America really hasn't put any effort into making drones because they can buy them cheaply from China. Can make the same dumb post about something America makes that China doesn't, like the entire low nanometer microchip industry

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do we always talk about DJI when FPVs are brought up? These aren't "DJI drones", all the frames are home grown and PCBs are custom made

      American institutions and military does not buy DJI drones due to obvious security concerns. They buy Skydio. Skydio can't compete in price on the consumer market thanks to chinese slave labor, manipulated yuan and IP theft, but they've managed to successfully lobbied DJI out. You can say what you want about lobbying but chink drones have no business being in used in anyone's security forces

      https://www.skydio.com/

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >we
        It's really only the chinese trying to shill and slide, but I appreciate the effort post in this moronic thread.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >IP theft
        >DJI is ahead in IP
        Anon, I...

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Every company that pours millions and billions in R&D end up benefitting china because they just steal it. I admit I wasn't sure who innovated in the drone market first so I looked it up, and lo and behold it was not DJI. What a surprise

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            dji made drones cheap as dirt, nobody cares about your innovations if you unable to effectively apply them

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Unfairly and temporarily, yes, and people do care about the security aspect of it by not having a chink using your drone to spy for the chinese government without your permission. Thank you for admitting you were wrong btw.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Unfairly
                And?
                >temporarily
                How so? You think your domestic manufacturers will suddenly start produce drones cheaper and better than dji?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm gonna have sex with a chinese woman tomorrow night

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's only cheaper because they don't actually pay the labor, like at all.

    *keep working or you lose social kredit point!*

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >gets jammed out of the sky as soon as they encounter a professional decent army (See: how many FPVs and Mavics has Hamas successfully used against the IDF?)
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
    The reason western drones, even just loitering ones like switchblade, are so expensive is because they’re meant to work against what you shithole nations like China and Russia pretend to be (next generation armored and well trained soldiers using perfectly functioning (as advertised or better) vehicles and equipment.
    It just so happens that you’re so shit that they’re pretty much as wasted on you as a hellfire on a taliban goat.
    All the cruise missiles, long range drones etc have multiple contingencies in case of error so they won’t hit civvies or miss the target, algorithms and hardware against jamming by state of the art systems, tiny CEP etc.
    You want to beleive that tiny comercial drones make you equal because obama bombed your wedding or something (they dont)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >switchblade, are so expensive is because they’re meant to work against what you shithole nations like China and Russia
      And you can show us a single hit by switchblade?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but webmrelated. There's actually been a few documented Switchblade hits, if you've been following along and aren't a tourist.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just one? Have a compilation.

        BTW America's Replicator program announced they're doing a bulk buy of Switchblade 600s yesterday. -t. switchblade internet defense force

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The reason western drones, even just loitering ones like switchblade, are so expensive is because they’re meant to work against what you shithole nations like China and Russia pretend to be (next generation armored and well trained soldiers using perfectly functioning (as advertised or better) vehicles and equipment.
      But American drones provided to Ukraine were absolutely shit in EW environment

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        source?

        [...]

        lmao

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.wsj.com/world/how-american-drones-failed-to-turn-the-tide-in-ukraine-b0ebbac3

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's funny watching the complaints about switchblade evolve.
      -first they said fixed wing was bad because drones didn't need long range
      -then they mocked the encryption
      -then the frequency-hopping radio
      -then the claymore warhead
      And now over the course of 2-3 years the Ukrainians and often Russians as well have adopted every single one of those features whenever they could afford to.

      If you track back the sources of claims like

      https://www.wsj.com/world/how-american-drones-failed-to-turn-the-tide-in-ukraine-b0ebbac3

      often they lead to unsourced comments on youtube or reddit as well i.e. it was a butthurt russian fanboy preemptively coping.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    China invented nothing. Everything belongs to America

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anon Ukrainian drones are domestically manufactured, they modify commercial drones because it is convenient

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is nothing worse than american bureaucrats finding out that these things can be cheap. The MIC hates them so much. The aerovironment poo lost billions in profits it was supposed to be an ad to inflate prices even more and it was for a while.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It just werks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      behold the secretive phoenix ghost, the drone specifically made for ukraine that nobody has ever seen.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >comparing a quadcopter to a globakhawk

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    $50k for a single switchblade-300 is outrageously expensive.

    fricking israelite grifters.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its experimental tech, pretty sure its first real field use was in ukriane.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We used these a lot in Afghanistan. Iraq boomers said they tried them over there too. It's a 2010 weapon.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Outperforms your house for 1/100th of the cost

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