Oshkosh denied permissions for Romania tender - why?

Romanian defense media is reporting something odd. Their 4×4 procurement program, intended to supply 1050+ APCs, has been left with a turkish sole bidder because Oshkosh wasn't authorized to agree to tech transfer for the JLTV.

That's weird, right? Large order, NATO member, home to the largest NATO base buildout as well. Oshkosh was the only supplier that satisfied all the program requirements.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing unusual about it. ITAR restrictions can cut both ways when it comes to American exports

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But it's just a car. The whole point of the JLTV is to become the new generic vehicle

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't matter. ITAR restrictions apply to all military technology and if it isn't approved by congress, it doesn't get exported let alone permission to build it abroad.

        Romania already operates a small number of JLTV bought from America through FMS, but this was for a larger tender that mandated local manufacturing of the vehicle in order to provide economic value to Romania. Congress didn't approve of that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >but this was for a larger tender that mandated local manufacturing of the vehicle in order to provide economic value to Romania. Congress didn't approve of that.
          I'm glad that you bothered to read the article following my restatement of the question in the OP, but you have not said anything new. Please do not force me to get condescending. If you don't know, you don't know. I don't know. That's why I'm asking.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Congress don't want Romanians taking American jerbs. Simple as
            A multi-million dollar deal for a US defence firm gets shut down because it means less money for one politician's state.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Congress don't want Romanians taking American jerbs.
              Hypocritical when they took all those contracts away from Oshkosh Truck costing countless jobs in my area.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you must either give ALL JOBS to Americans or NONE, 1/0
                brain like that and you wonder why Oshkosh decided not to hire in moronville any more

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what the frick are you blathering about

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                oh yeah, definitely a resident of moronville
                Oshkosh really dodged a bullet there

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you sound like an idiot incapable of putting together a coherent post

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no doubt Downies think the same of us normal folks

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you're speccing a 4x4 APC program and there's only two viable tenders you've kinda done something wrong... given the number of armored 4x4s on the global market.

        Romania and Oshkosh are at fault for not resolving the ITAR problem before hand if they intended to go for JLTV. It probably will get resolved as there's bound to be a compromise such as Romania can assemble bodykits and maintenance, rather than actually manufacture the entire product.

        But it isn't "just a car" -- otherwise you wouldn't need a tech transfer.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The romanian press is critical and it seems like they expected the americans to be the only ones capable of satisfying the requirements. So I guess we're left having to decide between

          1. Romania overspecified draconian program requirements accidentally, either not understanding Oshkosh's requirements with congress or underestimating the difficulting of clearing the sale.

          2. Romania did that but deliberately, for reasons similar to what bunabuna anon suggested

          Usually this is the case but not here. The government has mismanaged the finances and is now in economic crysis after covid and the Ukraine war.
          They have to borrow about 20bil$ per year just to pay salaries and pensions, so they need to cut all unecessary expenses and that includes the military.
          They usually put conditions in tenders so that nobody wins and the the defence department shrugs their shoulders and can get away another year without spending a dime and diverting the budget eslwere.
          I am 99% the Turks won't get any money and nothing will be bought/produced.
          t. Gypsymanian government emplyee

          3. Congress spiked the sale for some other reason. Maybe they expect that the procurement will fall through with only Otokar remaining and more favorable terms will become available as a result. But finger-fricking a possible transaction between the lines to that degree is usually a DOD thing, not a congressional thing.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Itar can apply to even a bottle cap

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They can buy it, they just can't manufacture it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I thought ITAR was just for burgers?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think he meant that ITAR can stop a foreign country from buying US stuff, but it can also restrict a US company from selling stuff to a foreign buyer.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What the actual frick? Slovakia is getting JLTV, and Fico is even bigger russophile than Orban.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And what does that have to do with Romania?

      Usually this is the case but not here. The government has mismanaged the finances and is now in economic crysis after covid and the Ukraine war.
      They have to borrow about 20bil$ per year just to pay salaries and pensions, so they need to cut all unecessary expenses and that includes the military.
      They usually put conditions in tenders so that nobody wins and the the defence department shrugs their shoulders and can get away another year without spending a dime and diverting the budget eslwere.
      I am 99% the Turks won't get any money and nothing will be bought/produced.
      t. Gypsymanian government emplyee

      Interesting. Do you have more examples of that?
      t. Sauerkrauteater trying to learn the ways of all the yurobros

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nevermind, Slovak tender doesn't mention domestic production, only maintenance.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >thirdie procurement
    The Turks paid a bigger bribe than the Americans. Tough shit.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Usually this is the case but not here. The government has mismanaged the finances and is now in economic crysis after covid and the Ukraine war.
      They have to borrow about 20bil$ per year just to pay salaries and pensions, so they need to cut all unecessary expenses and that includes the military.
      They usually put conditions in tenders so that nobody wins and the the defence department shrugs their shoulders and can get away another year without spending a dime and diverting the budget eslwere.
      I am 99% the Turks won't get any money and nothing will be bought/produced.
      t. Gypsymanian government emplyee

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It means that the US Army is going to stock up on thousands of JLTV real soon for the next war in the sand.

        Sweden has a different strategy, the military rents all its facilities from the government real estate bureau at "market rates" and any extra money diverted to the military (to reach NATO 2% goal) can be easily clawed back by raising the rents.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tell me more about Swedish accounting tricks, Anon.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Tell me more about Swedish accounting tricks, Anon.

            The consequences of the mismanagement of governmental property is that enormous amounts of fully functional material was scrapped because it was deemed to expensive to warehouse it at inner city Stockholm rent market rates. About 600 155/39 mm, 400 105 mm howitzers and 30 120 mm long range cannon were scrapped. And thats just a small piece of everything that was destroyed. Also, to minimize cost, the swedish army has consolidated its storage to one big warehouse that will get bombed in the first hour of any conflict with Russia. There goes all spares of any kind for the entire army.

            In a more rational system this gear could have been smeared with grease and stored in sheds somewhere in the cold far north. But in a democracy there is no personal responsibility so some bureaucrat in the army decided to junk everything so he could shift more money to personel. BTW, Swedish army formations mostly exist on paper as they are about 50-70% undermanned. There is also no logistic chain left.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It means that the US army is going to stock up on thousands of JLTV real soon for the next war in the sand.
          The army plans to buy 49,000 JLTVs total, and around 18,000 JLTV-Ts (the JLTV companion trailer) to date they've procured around 6,000. So LOTS more planned. And this doesn't include marines/navy numbers.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I believe the Air Force are buying some too. It’s basically our new general purpose vehicle. It looks great too. Military did not frick up this procurement program.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah it was getting some shit early on, but I haven't seen much to complain about.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it was getting some shit early on
                from which ignorant twathole?
                it really just is one of the best vehicles on the market and an amazing procurement programme

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              until the next war happens and they discover motor infantry is a pile of shit regardless of how much you fancy up a truck

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Problem with the JLTV is its bigger and in many ways more dangerous than the humvees. Although a humvee roll can just outright kill the crew, a JLTV is much easier to roll being so tall and the door latches like to snap

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hardly a JLTV exclusive issue
                > A 2021 Government Accountability Office report found that 123 people had died in nearly 4,000 ground vehicle accidents in the Army and Marine Corps between fiscal 2010 and 2019. Humvees were involved in more of those accidents than any other type of tactical vehicle, and rollovers accounted for nearly two-thirds of the total crashes, the watchdog said.

                Turns out 18-26 year olds driving military equipment they don't own tend to drive them like morons. Humvee, JLTV, AAV, give them a vehicle, they'll find a way to kill it and or themselves.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hardly a JLTV exclusive issue
                > A 2021 Government Accountability Office report found that 123 people had died in nearly 4,000 ground vehicle accidents in the Army and Marine Corps between fiscal 2010 and 2019. Humvees were involved in more of those accidents than any other type of tactical vehicle, and rollovers accounted for nearly two-thirds of the total crashes, the watchdog said.

                Turns out 18-26 year olds driving military equipment they don't own tend to drive them like morons. Humvee, JLTV, AAV, give them a vehicle, they'll find a way to kill it and or themselves.

                >400 accidents a year
                >12-13 fatalities a year
                that's nothing

                https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprint/auto-insurance/fatal-car-crash-statistics/
                >In 2021, there were an estimated 6,102,936 police-reported vehicle accidents in the United States.
                >Of those, 39,508 were fatal
                >There are 14.3 motor-related deaths per 100,000 people

                in this respect, the US military is roughly ten times safer than the general population

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah that GAO report was only about tactical vehicles. If you include military member deaths and accidents from driving their personal vehicles it would likely surpass the national average

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >that GAO report was only about tactical vehicles
                oh, I see
                nonetheless I'm fairly certain the Humvee + FMTV + JLTV road-hours the US Army racks up is more than 100,000 average Americans

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                1 in 154 is a lot less than 1.2 in 40 anon.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're looking at fatalities per accident, but that requires controlling for accident per capita as well

                I went straight to fatalities per capita; the US military has about 1 million active uniformed personnel, 12-13 fatalities per annum out of 1 million people is very low

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The report was army and marine tactical vehicles.
                The only people who would use those vehicles would be army or marine personnel. And beyond that, only personnel who were using tactical vehicles, so likely only a fraction of the total army/marine total.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes
                so as I said,
                >nonetheless I'm fairly certain the Humvee + FMTV + JLTV road-hours the US Army racks up is more than 100,000 average Americans

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nope

                Sorry, but your math is just WAY fricking off.

                You extrapolated the numbers out to ALL armed services members, despite the fact less than 10% of them fall into the category being measured by the GAO report.

                Then used that inflated number to "prove" your point.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nonetheless I'm fairly certain the Humvee + FMTV + JLTV road-hours the US Army racks up is more than 100,000 average Americans

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh well if you're "fairly certain" I guess we can just call it a fact.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                neither do you have absolute figures; at this stage, your guess is as good as mine really, factually we're at an impasse

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the military rents all its facilities from the government real estate bureau at "market rates" and any extra money diverted to the military (to reach NATO 2% goal) can be easily clawed back by raising the rents.
          that's just common sense; it recognises a hidden cost that previously wasn't recorded
          you can (and should) argue that this means the 2% figure should be revised upwards as well, but pretending real estate prices going up magically doesn't affect army bases is stuffing your head in the ground

          >Tell me more about Swedish accounting tricks, Anon.

          The consequences of the mismanagement of governmental property is that enormous amounts of fully functional material was scrapped because it was deemed to expensive to warehouse it at inner city Stockholm rent market rates. About 600 155/39 mm, 400 105 mm howitzers and 30 120 mm long range cannon were scrapped. And thats just a small piece of everything that was destroyed. Also, to minimize cost, the swedish army has consolidated its storage to one big warehouse that will get bombed in the first hour of any conflict with Russia. There goes all spares of any kind for the entire army.

          In a more rational system this gear could have been smeared with grease and stored in sheds somewhere in the cold far north. But in a democracy there is no personal responsibility so some bureaucrat in the army decided to junk everything so he could shift more money to personel. BTW, Swedish army formations mostly exist on paper as they are about 50-70% undermanned. There is also no logistic chain left.

          that has nothing to do with recognition of said real estate rates per se; the mismanagement is that
          >this gear could have been smeared with grease and stored in sheds somewhere in the cold far north

          also,
          > Also, to minimize cost, the swedish army has consolidated its storage to one big warehouse that will get bombed in the first hour of any conflict
          sure, go ahead and build in redundancy if you like, just know that it costs money and you're not fooling anyone but yoursel fif you don't jot it down in the books

          t. career bean counter

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >that's just common sense; it recognises a hidden cost that previously wasn't recorded

            Thats nonsense preached by people who have studied economics without understanding it. These facilities are old and the upkeep costs are a fraction of the rent. The rent system is a way to claw back military funds in a non obvious way.

            >sure, go ahead and build in redundancy if you like, just know that it costs money and you're not fooling anyone but yoursel fif you don't jot it down in the books

            Reundancy and dispersal are essential in military matters. Civilian bean counters have invaded the government and is trying to use their college taught value extraction tools to maximize profits for their respective departments. These people have built a military that cannot work under any field condition, yet it costs billions of dollars every year.

            >t. career bean counter

            Hardly surprising. You will never be an engineer.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >studied economics without understanding it
              I'm a practising accountant, frickwit, do you even understand the concept of opportunity costs?
              >the upkeep costs are a fraction of the rent
              says you
              because inflation and labour costs haven't had much of an impact in West Europe in the last fifteen years, amirite
              >Reundancy and dispersal are essential in military matters
              if you can afford it
              >Civilian bean counters have invaded the government and is trying to use their college taught value extraction tools to maximize profits for their respective departments
              uhuh
              because spiraling costs and wastage can always be covered by taxpayers, amirite
              and if you set an arbitrary cost instead of ilstening to the reality of the market you can magically buy two apples for one, amirite

              >You will never be an engineer.
              lol
              and you will never be a COO or even head of sales
              the best engineers cross-specialise in accounting, because they know both professions go together
              you can design the best most technically-advanced product ever but if it costs a billion dollars apiece nobody will pay for it and you're left there holding your dick
              we bean counters simply tell you what is financially possible or not, the same way engineers know what is physically possible to build or not

              if you ignore the financial reality, well... you're no better than an architect drawing fantasy mile-high skyscrapers, monetarily speaking

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the best engineers cross-specialise in accounting
                no

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                nah. you found your rationalization for not pursuing what you 'really' wanted to do as a career, sure. but nah

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the hell are you babbling about lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                (you), obviously

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the best engineers cross-specialise in accounting
                Lmfao no b***h
                >t. rocket engineer

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >rocket engineer
                a line grunt in the field no doubt
                but it's the Gateses, Jobses and Musks of the industrial world that move it 😉

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you freaks are STILL at it

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I've long stopped bumping and you should too, idiot

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lies

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he doesn't know
                fricking tourist

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fake

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And what does that have to do with Romania?

        [...]
        Interesting. Do you have more examples of that?
        t. Sauerkrauteater trying to learn the ways of all the yurobros

        Romania has been in a deficit for a couple years now. They allocate 2-2.5% of spending to defense but they just never sign any contracts so real spending is like 1.5-1.6% each year and mostly for paying off salaries. Leftover money goes into the emergency fund from which the government pays off salaries of different ministries and institutions after fricking up not allocating enough funds at the start of the year (ministry of education ran out of money in autumn last year after record low budget that our minister of education said was enough).
        This year we have local and eu parliament elections in june + presidential elections in september and parliamentary elections in december. So election year means the current government won't cut any spending (especially towards administration, since they can't piss off their party friends who got there through bribes) nor towards any other institution that might piss of voters, not towards public investments since they result in contracts won by families of said friends so we'll be running record high deficits the whole year while our government larps as competent during campaigns.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So how many APCs are going to be actually bought?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they said about a thousand of those turkish vehicles
            if you are talking about piranhas then they say they'll be ordering another 150 (we have ~200). They also floated the idea of making a romanian APC. Romanian state owned industry made one but it didn't have much stanag protection so the government ordered piranha's instead of it. They also floated the idea of building one in a joint venture between our state owned arms industry and rheinmetall but idk where that went.
            Anyways, its not like they usually go through with their promises so idk. Every mandate the minister of finance visits some state owned arms factory that's barely functioning and talks about investments, modernization and restructuring but the only thing that actually happens is that another guy who bribed more gets appointed as director to those factories to sit around with a huge salary. And we don't hear a thing about those factories (outside of some journalists that get no coverage and are ignored by our authorities) until another minister of finance is appointed.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Romanian state owned industry made one but it didn't have much stanag protection
              The biggest problem of the Saur family was that they based it off a BTR (in an attempt to shorten development time), instead of going for a completely clean-sheet design. So it was inevitable that it would turn up lacking in several areas.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >(especially towards administration, since they can't piss off their party friends who got there through bribes)

          In Sweden bribing is done by setting up your friends and allies as high paid public servants of some governmental institution. It has led to a massive expansion of various kinds of departments that basically do nothing but produce meaningless reports that nobody reads. Large business bribe politicians by enlisting them as "speakers" or "consultants" after they leave office, making the multi millionaries (in euros/dollars).

          The russians never allocated any money to bribe swedish politicians. The american ambassador did, which is why Sweden joined NATO.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            here (romania) politicians do not only give high paying positions to their friends. Bribing is done through favours, they can be positions, government contracts, or "help" usually from party or politicians abusing the powers of their positions.
            Here the most theft is done through projects. For example, lets say you are the mayor of a village and every project started by the hall must be awarded through an auction to the firm with the lowest offer. What you do is that you have your family/relatives/friends/party friends join the bid with their own company (doesn't matter if they only have 1 employee and it was registered 2 days ago) with a high-ish price, and then you just bribe/force the people handling the auction to diqualify all other entries except your friends' firm. Your friend wins the contract and subcontracts firms that can actually do that type of work, at the real price, while the rest of the money is split between the two of you. Best case scenario the project actually gets built and only the surplus is pocketed, but they are so greedy they frick up the project completely - like either buying the cheapest materials possible and only working to make it look like someone tried doing it (creating a water treatment facility with much smaller pumps ordered of aliexpress, new road full of potholes), or in worst case not doing the project at all.
            Our anti-corruption agency either has too much on their plates or it receives bribes to ignore it (or is infiltrated by people connected to the parties in power). The people responsible for the reception of the project either get bribed into accepting it or are fired through party connections. If somehow there's an investigation that goes to trial, they drag out the trial for like a decade since if it takes too long it gets dropped, after which they sue the state for wrongful suspension and win damages from the state.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        how many pounds of copper wire have you ripped out of your work-place so far?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >That's weird, right?
    Someone in congress or senate didn't get their mandatory campaign contribution from Oshkosh. So nothing weird going on here.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like there's way more to it since Romania already has like 100 of them

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They bought those from the US
      They wanted to build them domestically this time which requires tech transfer banned under ITAR.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not allow them to build just the vehicle but all the sensors will still come from America?

    Every c**t who can pay for it wants tech transfer because in case of real war they want domestic production rather than waiting for gibs.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is it the sensors? I can't think of much else that might factor in, but I admit that I don't think much about the JLTV's ongoing upgrades. Is there a secret sauce armor package now?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is it the sensors? I can't think of much else that might factor in, but I admit that I don't think much about the JLTV's ongoing upgrades. Is there a secret sauce armor package now?

      My best guess is because the JLTV uses a proprietary suspension system developed by Oshkosh itself.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That seems likely

        > The new Oshkosh TAK-4i intelligent independent suspension system suspension provides 20-inches of wheel travel, and again a 70% off-road, 30% on-road operating profile. TAK-4i intelligent independent suspension system suspension is fitted to Oshkosh's JLTV/L-ATV. TAK-4i intelligent independent suspension system suspension is an ‘intelligent’ independent suspension, providing variable ride height through gas springs

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That doesn't sound like anything special.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            An advanced intelligent gas-piston suspension system for medium/heavy vehicles is a big deal if your country only has leafsprings normally.

            Again, it's ITAR, it could be one single restricted component, or it could even be software. Whatever it is, it's ITAR banned that's where the buck stops.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Otokar is pretty good company, owned by biggest holding in Turkey, KOÇ. they developed prototype of Altay tank too but they didnt get the tender because owning family isnt close to Erdogan.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >odd
    >tech transfer
    the answer is right there, dipshit
    nobody else got tech transfers
    this is just Romanians being thieving gyppos

  9. 4 weeks ago
    T-I-G-E-R-S

    Let me suggest an alternative

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nice Tatra

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is that a Tatra?

        Tatra vehicles are as no others. even 50 years ones have some systems of traction and motion of suspension over much of nowdays vehicles. I would go in a war only to drive a Tara.

        not to mention that VW copy their car from Tatra before ww2

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >VW copy their car from Tatra before ww2
          Tatra was British then

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            u wot m8

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              idiot

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Czech

          all have this tube concept and the distinguish air sound scream of the engine

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            First vid very comfi. Makes me feel like i really AM the truck

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    JLTV is nice. The seats are actually sized for a man in full kit.

    Heavy though. It got stuck in some places the Humvees could speed through.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because it will drain half their economy just on fuel maintenance repair and general usage/storage

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know nothing of military vehicles. How are JLTVs recieved generally?
    I work security at an OshKosh plant, but i dont know anything about the actual product

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're well-received overall. Some guys complain that it's loud. Some dislike the weapon mounts, some think it's too big, etc. Mostly banal shit that comes with any change.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cobra 2 is a beast.

    Also, Turkey is the second largest producer of armored vehicles in HATO, giving the best prices out there.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Turkey is the "Made in China" of NATO

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Contenders were
    1. ES – URO VAMTAC LVT
    2. FR – Sherpa Light
    3. TR – Cobra II
    4. TR – NMS
    5. US – JLTV
    6. US – NXT 360

    Plus one domestic, slovakia-licensed vehicle that didn't get to production in time:
    7. RO – BluesPace Technology VLAH

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why give US weapons to an territory that will be soon part of Russia?

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn’t this thread simply:
    >Romania: sell us some JLTVs?
    >US: Sure.
    >Romania: Oh yeah, give us the tech, too.
    >US: Nope.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More or less

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, plus "ayyo anyone know why not?" in case anyone does know.

      But some neurotic accountant who pines for another life as a high-speed Girls und Panzer engineer keeps bumping to argue with people.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >being this butthurt
        lmao projecting much?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I haven't argued with you. Just explaining to the good anon why the thread is still up.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because a butthurt financially-illiterate line engineer keeps bumping it.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe Turkish have western license tech in those apcs

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