Oryx's tracking of destroyed Russian IFVs has shown that the BMP-1 has gone from being a small % of the total losses to the most common. Seems like Russia really is digging into the stockpiles.
Oryx's tracking of destroyed Russian IFVs has shown that the BMP-1 has gone from being a small % of the total losses to the most common.
T-80BV has replaced the T-72B as the most commonly destroyed tank
What's the deal with the T-80 anyway? Is the T-72 a better and more respected tank? Or is it easier to upgrade to something better than the T-80?
The T-80 was supposed to become the backbone of the Soviet tank force in the 80s but due to higher running costs the Russians decided to focus on upgrading the T-72 (T-72B3, T-90) instead. The T-80 fleet was mostly in mothballs apart from a few specific units, mostly in the 1st GTA.
Upgraded T-72s are apparently a rarity on the front now despite making up the bulk of Russia's tank force prewar.
Don't forget that T-72 is used all around the world while T-80 was tank Soviet Union would keep for itself so generals would sell spare parts of T-72 in bulk. And when war started they realized all those thousands of T-72 in storages were simply unusable
the T-80 was meant to be the replacement for the T-64 as their spearhead, and was their newest tank at the time the soviet union collapsed
but they had a finnicky gas turbine engine so were never able to fully replace anything so the T-72 remained their mainstay tank throughout the 90s to the 2010s
while a minority in russian service at the time the russo-ukraine war broke out, they had several thousand of them in storage
so all those tanks russia is supposedly building are them just upgrading them to actually run
thanks guys
These posts aren't terrible but they're attributing a bit too much inent to the existence and doctrine of the T-80 in late USSR.
The existence of three very similar tanks with mismatched parts (T-64, T-72, T-80) was as much a product of internal rivalries and politics as any grand Hi-Lo plan. In the eighties a fourth tank appeared; the diesel engines T-80. The design bureau wanted to call it T-84 but at that point the Soviets despite greenlighting the tank objected to a new number designation, realising it would only draw attention to the fact that they had FOUR tank models in service (even putting aside the T-55/T-62).
There's actually a declassified CIA document with a comprehensive overview of the T-64 and T-72 that conceded they hadn't a fucking clue why the Soviets have such distinct yet similar tanks. It was a microcosm of the inefficiencies undoing the Soviet system
>a declassified CIA document
any link?
T-total IFV death...?
The USSR had a sort of hi-lo model like the USAF did for aircraft but for tanks. T-80 represents the "hi" in the hi-lo mix relative to the T-72. In Soviet war doctrine elite units would be the end users of the T-80s and would be used as the spearhead to break through while T-72s would otherwise be far more numerous and form the bulk of their forces. The T-64 served the same role previously relative to the T-54/55 and T-62 being the bulk and the T-62 came about because the Soviets didn't like the teething issues they had with the T-64 early on and asked for a budget version of it from another factory.
I don't see any destroyed Armatas on there! Take that HATO!
An easier-to-read representation of the IFV losses grouped per family
>Light blue in February/March 2022
That's what the death of the pre-war professional VDV looks like.
Can u just make one for bmp1/2/3?
This is absolutely fascinating anon, do you have anything more like this
This is the dude that makes them
https://nitter.cz/verekerrichard1
Comparison of towed vs self-propelled vs MLRS losses
most interesting graph
I normalized it
make one for the tankerinos pls
BMP-1 is functionally no different from charging into battle on a T-26.
It's not great but a BMP-1's little HEAT warhead can threaten things like Bradley and Leopard 1 where the old 45mm just can't. It's hardly better armored than a T-26 and has similar visibility, but the firepower is improved.
>BMP-1's low pressure gun
Anon I...
>A BMP-1 was to fire against an obsolete T-55 tank at 800 meters (the target was not moving). And the result of the trials? Of 50 shots, only 17 did hit the tank - others were carried off their trajectory by the wind. The shells that did hit made their impacts under different angles – some ricocheted, some did not, but in the end, not a single shell managed to penetrate the vehicle. After the trials, a driver just drove off with the undamaged tank – a fitting testament to the inefficiency of the Grom gun.
>Even the Soviets found out it was shit since it was shoveled into service due to politics.
Is there a similar breakdown for Ukrainian loses?
I can't go to take a piss without there being half a dozen newly destroyed BMP series IFVs popping up these days. I honestly became sort numb to it, you could go '50 bmps get destroyed in major battle' and I would just go 'mmmhmmm, sounds about right'.
>No Ukraine data yet
Booo
You can make it yourself, the data is there anon.
>share plot
Any plot with the # data/total?