Operation Black Buck

Will there ever be such a mission again?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Show me your ass dude. Do the rump shaker. Thug shaker dude.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    General specifics?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's the longest range bombing mission to date. Vulcans take off from the UK and bomb an airbase in Argentina during the Falklands war. It took 15 tankers to get a single bomber to reach that target, and the effect on Stanley Airport was most likely pretty minimal. However the actual point of the mission was to:
      >1) show the Argies that they couldn't just focus all of their AA at the front (making things easier for RAF front line elements)
      and
      >2) To demonstrate to Argentina that if the UK wanted to nuke Bueno Aires that it was relatively simple for them to do so
      oh, and also
      >3) to show alleged 'allies' (who will remain nameless) who denied Britain use of their airspace for the Falklands war that they really hadn't achieved much.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It was the longest range mission at the time - took off from ascension Island not the UK itself. It was surpassed more recently with some b2 missions.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >to show alleged 'allies' (who will remain nameless)
        fatties?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but I'm legitimately curious. The US, to my understanding, was on the friendly side of neutral in the Falklands. Might be talking about huehues?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The US was originally going to back Argentina, but backpedalled and stayed "Neutral" when it was pointed out that if the US didn't support the UK then they would be telling everyone that the NATO agreement was just a piece of paper that didn't actually mean anything.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Do you know what NATO stands for?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The French. America offered everything available, including embedded assets in Argentina, after the Monroe Doctrine was determined to not be at risk after a show of attempting reconciliation and compromise.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but I'm legitimately curious. The US, to my understanding, was on the friendly side of neutral in the Falklands. Might be talking about huehues?

          Frogs.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >relatively
        i mean if they argies knew what went down all they had to do was to get a fighter loaded with one missile and a shitload of fuel and just take out the last tanker

        welp here it goes the greatest blunder of all times

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >all they had to do was
          All right Mr. Big Brane Energy. Show the entire class exactly where on the map this single super-fueled fighter is going to intercept "the last tanker."

          Go.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe if China or N. Korea decide to try and power project. They're the only real remaining operators of aircraft in the class of Vulcan.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Actually, just China.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Unlikely, the basic premise was really just to prove to the argeninians that the bongs could nuke their major cities at basically any time without SSNs, meaning they had to keep various AA assets stationed on the mainland to defend them. The bombing of the airfield was really only secondary.

  6. 1 year ago
    RC-135 Rivet Joint

    You just need tankers and the ability to position them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The only real problem with operations like this is the sheer number of malfunctions that can just frick up long range operations and force significant chunks of your attack force to have to abort. Even just a few can mean the entire mission is a dud.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >operation divine wind
        Only tahes one to reach target.

      • 1 year ago
        RC-135 Rivet Joint

        That's why train so much anon. The USAF budget is huge and Prompt Global Strike exists purely for this kind of mission. Since Iraq 03 the Pentagon has been working on the mission to provide global conventional strike with bombers and missiles.

        >"The 7th Bomb Wing, 307th Bomb Wing and 53rd Wing jointly executed a 30-hour two-ship mission on Jan. 11 from Dyess Air Force Base, Texas to the Indo-Pacific and back."

        https://www.stratcom.mil/Media/News/News-Article-View/Article/2920265/dyess-b-1-bomber-conus-to-conus-mission-trains-interoperability-with-coalition/

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/Ug4h6Vc.jpg

        You just need tankers and the ability to position them.

        Isn't America just doing this as a joke though.
        "Oh no the refueling plane can't take off from the airfield on Guam, how are we going to refuel the plane now when we reach Guam? Too bad those new bases in the Philippines aren't finished yet. Frick it, abort, we're going back to Missouri."

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Isn't America just doing this as a joke though.
          More like training. It's good to do these insane missions every once in a while just to flex and check that the capability to pull off this kind of thing is actually there, not just on paper, or else your military will end up like Russia's.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly. These types of missions stress-test "theoretical" capabilities that defense contractors claim they've built in to the systems. Also pushes the theoretical logistics the eggheads come up with. If you find fail points, or 'almost fail' points, more busy work for everyone to Fix Dat Shit™ before you trip over your own dick like russia did this past year.

            Before enlightenment, pour water, chop wood.
            After enlightenment, pour water, chop wood.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Defensor Vindex
      Read that as Windex. Cleaning windows by shattering them.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why hasn't anyone gone with rigid airships, like the one they had in Stealth? That way you don't have to burn a large amount of fuel to move your fuel.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Operation Senior Surprise?

  8. 1 year ago
    RC-135 Rivet Joint

    The B-1B has been doing a lot of 20hr flights recently and hot pit refuels at the latest Pacific training exercises (Keen Sword 23)

    The 20hr flights are CONUS to CONUS, they fly from the Heartland to the Pacific and do long patrols equipped with 24 LRASMs. Basically during long range maritime patrols.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't buy the nuke business, Chevaline had been very recently demonstrated.

    Morelike the RAF saying put me in the screencap

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I'm torn between thinking it is cool and agreeing that night qualified Sea Harrier pilots could have done the job better due to modern INS CCRP rather than WW2 tier bomber navigation

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The royal navy had 2 carriers in range at the time. It was originally planned for 801 NAS to perform a night time bombing raid on port stanley using their Sea Harrier's very modern navigation and computer calculated bombing systems (while navigation on the Vulcan was only slightly more advanced than a c. 1945 Lancaster) but when the RAF stuck their dick in the wind 801 NAS was relegated to scaring away argentine fighters that night and instead 800 squadron which had less night qualified pilots was to follow up with a more dangerous dawn raid attacking the apron and revetments with cluster bombs and rockets.

        later in the war 801 proved their could do night bombing by dropping airbursting bombings from medium level at night on the airfield or tossing the odd flare bomb to make the argentines think there was a landing going on.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Good post but one of the main reasons for it was to show Argentina the UKs nuclear bombers could hit them with WE177s if needed.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          those medium level strikes also led to the one case of the "bombs failing to fuse" fairy striking the british

          >2 sea harriers on a medium level strike mission
          >target has complete overcast so they call it off and start taking their bombs back to the carrier
          >get vectored to attack a trawler that is suspected of spying on the fleet similar to soviet spy trawlers
          >bombs are fused for release at above 10k feet
          >lead harrier pilot says frick it and tosses his bombs onto the target at low level
          >one of them hits the engine room of the trawler and directly lands on the engineer killing him instantly and damaging the propulsion
          >they both strafe the trawler for good measure
          >2 Sea Kings with marines on board and 2 more harriers arrive to capture it
          >the marines peacefully take the crew back to HMS Invincible since they are mostly just shanghaied civie fishermen and now drunk due to assuming on seeing the harriers that they were going to be sunk
          >they also find a Argentine intel officer in civilian clothing
          >the guy thinks he is going to be executed for being a spy for not being in uniform
          >Captain of Invincible decides to send the roman catholic navy padre to talk to him and explain
          >on seeing the priest the guy thinks he is getting the last rites before being shot and gets hysterical
          >eventually after a while he realises he is not going to be tried for any war crimes and relaxes

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Sharky Ward Hands typed this post.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            just because he has a self-inflated ego doesn't mean he isn't right in this case.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              See

              Good post but one of the main reasons for it was to show Argentina the UKs nuclear bombers could hit them with WE177s if needed.

              he missed one of the main reasons for the use of Vulcan

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