These gats aren't meant for passive defense, you pull 'em out when you know you'll get in a firefight. Depending on their designs they often aren't really drop safe. Bolt remains closed until the last moment
Take the name off Black person or keep it on so everyone can filter your worthless ass
1 year ago
Anonymous
it stayed on from my initial post
bolt open, safety always off
which was a reference. keep seething and being wrong
I have an open bolt M11/9 in my hands.
The geometry easily allows for a round to be stripped, chambered, and fired without the bolt coming back far enough to catch the sear.
That is why the safety locks the bolt in whichever position it is in. Proper use would be to keep bolt down and safety on. Then you take off safety and charge it when you are going to fire.
how far would you have to whip it at the ground in order to do that? dropping an open bolt firearm on the ground will not be enough to move the bolt sufficiently to fire.
1 year ago
Anonymous
it didn't look like Dugan hit it very hard in that video that was posted just a literal second ago that you are too stupid to watch
1 year ago
Anonymous
Iinertia is a b***h, so it's easier than you think for the bolt to travel back far enough to clear the top round but avoid getting caught on the sear. Some sub gun designs largely prevent this but others do not.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Depends on the caliber, but with the stock bolt (which weighs very little) on an M11/9, you can feel it move back and forth a small bit even slapping the back of it on a gloved hand. I could easily see a trip sending it flying and popping off a round when it lands. Definitely would have to have the stars align a little bit it's mechanically possible whereas it isn't on pretty much all closed bolt guns that aren't made by sig.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>how far would you have to whip it at the ground in order to do that? dropping an open bolt firearm on the ground will not be enough to move the bolt sufficiently to fire.
Semi related despite being closed bolt but still concerning: I was just reading about a guy who claims he kept his sks with hammer back, no round in chamber, but mag loaded full, I assume for home defense. Fell from above his door (why the frick would he hang it there?) and it fell on the butt with enough speed giving a hard enough impact to supposedly throw the bolt back far enough to strip a round and load itself. Sample size of "one dickhead on a forum" but you get the idea. I can only imagine with a heavier bolt and a straight blowback, it'd be much easier to do something like that, but I've never owned an open bolt, full or semi auto.
I have an open bolt M11/9 in my hands.
The geometry easily allows for a round to be stripped, chambered, and fired without the bolt coming back far enough to catch the sear.
That is why the safety locks the bolt in whichever position it is in. Proper use would be to keep bolt down and safety on. Then you take off safety and charge it when you are going to fire.
Open bolt guns get carried with the bolt forwards and wienered when ready for use. Safety with the bolt closed varies from gun to gun, but a big ass opening where the ejection port is begs malfunctions.
These gats aren't meant for passive defense, you pull 'em out when you know you'll get in a firefight. Depending on their designs they often aren't really drop safe. Bolt remains closed until the last moment
they're usually LESS drop safe when the bolt is closed unless they have good safety mechanisms that lock the bolt forward
What? The bolt is going to rack a round in the chamber and fire it on it’s own? moron.
drop your gun on its ass with the bolt forward and a loaded mag in and tell me what happens
on an open bolt gun? literally nothing.
lol
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it's okay i accept your concession. no worries
https://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6935085&postcount=3
oh shit does Dugan have a video on this, dank
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Take the name off Black person or keep it on so everyone can filter your worthless ass
it stayed on from my initial post
which was a reference. keep seething and being wrong
how far would you have to whip it at the ground in order to do that? dropping an open bolt firearm on the ground will not be enough to move the bolt sufficiently to fire.
it didn't look like Dugan hit it very hard in that video that was posted just a literal second ago that you are too stupid to watch
Iinertia is a b***h, so it's easier than you think for the bolt to travel back far enough to clear the top round but avoid getting caught on the sear. Some sub gun designs largely prevent this but others do not.
Depends on the caliber, but with the stock bolt (which weighs very little) on an M11/9, you can feel it move back and forth a small bit even slapping the back of it on a gloved hand. I could easily see a trip sending it flying and popping off a round when it lands. Definitely would have to have the stars align a little bit it's mechanically possible whereas it isn't on pretty much all closed bolt guns that aren't made by sig.
>how far would you have to whip it at the ground in order to do that? dropping an open bolt firearm on the ground will not be enough to move the bolt sufficiently to fire.
Semi related despite being closed bolt but still concerning: I was just reading about a guy who claims he kept his sks with hammer back, no round in chamber, but mag loaded full, I assume for home defense. Fell from above his door (why the frick would he hang it there?) and it fell on the butt with enough speed giving a hard enough impact to supposedly throw the bolt back far enough to strip a round and load itself. Sample size of "one dickhead on a forum" but you get the idea. I can only imagine with a heavier bolt and a straight blowback, it'd be much easier to do something like that, but I've never owned an open bolt, full or semi auto.
I have an open bolt M11/9 in my hands.
The geometry easily allows for a round to be stripped, chambered, and fired without the bolt coming back far enough to catch the sear.
That is why the safety locks the bolt in whichever position it is in. Proper use would be to keep bolt down and safety on. Then you take off safety and charge it when you are going to fire.
bolt open, safety always off
Open bolt guns get carried with the bolt forwards and wienered when ready for use. Safety with the bolt closed varies from gun to gun, but a big ass opening where the ejection port is begs malfunctions.