>ooooh yeah, THAT happened...

>ooooh yeah, THAT happened...

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >they copied the repair patch
    I'll give Stalin this, if he wanted shit done, it got done to the letter. God I feel bad for the guy that made his coffee or drinks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they copied the repair patch
      What's the story behind this?

      >I'll give Stalin this, if he wanted shit done, it got done to the letter. God I feel bad for the guy that made his coffee or drinks
      Have you watched Death of Stalin?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they copied the repair patch
        I'll give Stalin this, if he wanted shit done, it got done to the letter. God I feel bad for the guy that made his coffee or drinks

        I wish to hear the story too.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        I wish to hear the story too.

        The tale, as I've heard it, is that once upon a time an American bomber crew had to land on a soviet airfield where their B29 was seized by the soviet government. Stalin wanted the B29 but we denied giving it to him through lend lease so he decided to try and reverse engineer any Superfortresses that landed or crashed in Soviet territory. The engineers, rightfully scared shitless about angering Stalin, proceeded to take apart and copy every rivet and panel exactly, including a repair patch on the tail. This resulted in the Tu-4. I'm certain that's an embellishment of history but honestly with what I know about Stalinist Russia, I wouldn't be surprised if it's more fact than fiction

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've also read that the rudder pedals on the prototype said "Boeing" on them, but that could be apocryphal.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've also read that the rudder pedals on the prototype said "Boeing" on them, but that could be apocryphal.

          kek
          I wonder if they thought the fuzzy dice in the cockpit were also standard issue?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            its a critical component to the operation of any vehicle

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've also read that the rudder pedals on the prototype said "Boeing" on them, but that could be apocryphal.

          Also needed approval to use Soviet parachutes since they wanted such a carbon copy.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            The tale, as I've heard it, is that once upon a time an American bomber crew had to land on a soviet airfield where their B29 was seized by the soviet government. Stalin wanted the B29 but we denied giving it to him through lend lease so he decided to try and reverse engineer any Superfortresses that landed or crashed in Soviet territory. The engineers, rightfully scared shitless about angering Stalin, proceeded to take apart and copy every rivet and panel exactly, including a repair patch on the tail. This resulted in the Tu-4. I'm certain that's an embellishment of history but honestly with what I know about Stalinist Russia, I wouldn't be surprised if it's more fact than fiction

            >Stalin ordered a picture perfect copy of B29
            >so much so that the half of the original plane that had one half of its crew compartment painted bright red copied
            >the real reason the half of the crew compartment was painted red, not gray was because the factory ran out of green paint
            lmao,lol even as someone from a post soviet shithole i can say with certainty that muscovites were a cargo cult that coerced other soviet states with brute force

            The best part was they didn't have any machines that could roll the aluminum to the correct thickness (iirc it was 3/16" or something) and production was massively delayed by that.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          amazing

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I recall in a general sense, the reverse-engineering was detailed enough to be impractical. Like using Soviet technology would have made more sense for some parts but they copied the American systems for reasons.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but they copied the American systems for reasons.
            BECAUSE COMRADE STALIN SAID SO YOU FUCKING FASCIST SYMPATHIZING TRAITOR

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Almost definitely for some parts, but given the advances in materials science needed just to construct the thing in the first place a rivet for rivet copy really did help them catch up. It's not like it was beyond them, they had heavy bomber programs prior to WWII, but all of that R&D was put on hold due to the army and tactical air needing the resources more. Post-war they did make a lot of innovations on the original design to make it fit better to their needs.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Like using Soviet technology would have made more sense for some parts
            Using Soviet technology resulted in Tu-4 being five and something tons heavier than original B-29. Main reason was that ruskies were unable to reproduce aluminium plates, cables and hydraulic pipes that were made using imperial units and therefore went for thicker ones, adding a lot of weight to final results

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They copied it to such detail, they even copied the shit design of the engines, which often overheated in US service.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The idea of USSR maintaining and flying even one B-29 knockoff is hilarious. I don't think the USSR could make enough spark plugs, much less dedicated trainloads of them to Siberia.

              American military just flat-out forced the B-50 to be a one-way suicide mission strategic bomber though. Gotta give props to the Chair Force. They made it work jej

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                B-50 had different and much better engines, a larger vert stab, and some smaller details.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          One of my favourite reads from this blog
          https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2019/06/29/b-29-to-bull/

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's a pretty nice read, thanks for posting the link.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          3 B-29s. One disassembled, one reference, one for spares.
          I dunno about the pedals, but the control yokes had the Boeing logo.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yefim Gordon's English book on the Tu-4 tells the whole story

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Death of Stalin is a great movie.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Death of Stalin is a great movie.

        [...]
        The tale, as I've heard it, is that once upon a time an American bomber crew had to land on a soviet airfield where their B29 was seized by the soviet government. Stalin wanted the B29 but we denied giving it to him through lend lease so he decided to try and reverse engineer any Superfortresses that landed or crashed in Soviet territory. The engineers, rightfully scared shitless about angering Stalin, proceeded to take apart and copy every rivet and panel exactly, including a repair patch on the tail. This resulted in the Tu-4. I'm certain that's an embellishment of history but honestly with what I know about Stalinist Russia, I wouldn't be surprised if it's more fact than fiction

        Death of Stalin shows that Absurdism and Black Humor are the best approachs to explain the USSR.
        It's the duty of every Westerner to watch
        >Death of Stalin
        >Chernobyl
        once every couple of years. This should be a law for Germans and Poles in fact.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/Ga8Pq3a.jpg

          The future head of the Soviet space program, Sergei Korolev, spent years in a gulag because a fellow engineer ratted him out in the 30’s. Sergei was released and he ran the USSR’s space program very well, beating the Americans to the punch at a lot. Then he died in 1966 due to complications from his time in the gulag, and the Soviet space program fell apart.

          The fuck

          >Applying his engineering skill to local problems, Kondratyuk designed a huge 13,000 ton grain elevator (quickly nicknamed "Mastodon") in Kamen-na-Obi, built of wood without a single nail since metal was in short supply in Siberia. This ingenuity would work against him when in 1930 he was investigated as a "saboteur" by the NKVD. The lack of nails in the structure was used as evidence that he had planned it to collapse. Convicted of "anti-Soviet activity", Kondratyuk was sentenced to three years in a GULag, but because of his evident talents was sent to a sharashka (research facility prison) rather than a labour camp.

          >Communism is when government does things
          WRONG! Communism is when autistic, philosophy-obsessed urbanite soibois try to run things in the real world.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You will own nothing and you will be happy.

            Eat the bugs, bigot.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Death of Stalin?
        The "recreate the performance so it can be recorded" actually happened.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wanna see something really unexpected? The Chinese experimented with upgrading their TU-4s to turboprops. Behold the turbo superfortress.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not gonna lie, that's sexy

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The tu95 as till has the exact same hull diameter and pressurized cabin layout of the b29. If you want a modernized b29, it's the tu95.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Does it have a better performance?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting fact. Andrei Tupolev didn't want the Tu-4 named after him, he wanted it to be designated as B-4. He felt that it is beneath his pride to have an aircraft named after him that he did not design. But he didn't want to be sent back to the engineer's gulag either.

    Yes, special gulags for engineers and scientists were a thing. Conditions in these camps were tolerable and there was no hard labour, but they still sucked. A lot of late 1930's Soviet aircraft were developed in such gulags and almost all notable Soviet aircraft designers have been to such a special gulag at one point. Seriously, how it is possible not to despise the Soviet Union's memory? What the absolute fuck?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were called sharashkas. Solzhenitsys In the First Circle is about them. But was he really in one of them?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There was a Ukrainian engineer who designed a grain elevator with no metal parts, nails or anything. Because he had no metal parts or nails to work with. It was a marvel of ingenuity and engineering, genuinely an extraordinary achievement.
      The Russians sent him to the gulag for it, because they couldn't believe it could be done without nails and accused him of deliberate sabotage.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the ussr was amazing in its ability to fuck itself in the ass consistently. russia is truly its successor state in that respect at least

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Man, that's almost as retarded as accusing him of sorcery. How did the Soviet Union manage to exist for so long?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Rape and fear of rape

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And one day, it became well-known that the town rapist couldn't get it up anymore.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The fuck

        >Applying his engineering skill to local problems, Kondratyuk designed a huge 13,000 ton grain elevator (quickly nicknamed "Mastodon") in Kamen-na-Obi, built of wood without a single nail since metal was in short supply in Siberia. This ingenuity would work against him when in 1930 he was investigated as a "saboteur" by the NKVD. The lack of nails in the structure was used as evidence that he had planned it to collapse. Convicted of "anti-Soviet activity", Kondratyuk was sentenced to three years in a GULag, but because of his evident talents was sent to a sharashka (research facility prison) rather than a labour camp.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Reminds me of an old Soviet joke
          >Three men in gulag
          >"What are you in for?"
          >First guy: "I was late to work and they accused me of being a wrecker."
          >Second guy: "I was early to work and they accused me of being a spy."
          >Third guy: "I was bang on-time to work and they accused me of owning an American watch."

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The future head of the Soviet space program, Sergei Korolev, spent years in a gulag because a fellow engineer ratted him out in the 30’s. Sergei was released and he ran the USSR’s space program very well, beating the Americans to the punch at a lot. Then he died in 1966 due to complications from his time in the gulag, and the Soviet space program fell apart.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >pic
        What superhero team is this?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know, but something tells me they're the key to winning this war.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What would you guess each of their powers' is?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Alcoholism. Every one.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >plenty of German engineers and scientists were gulag'd as well, set to design stuff and if they did good they might see their family again

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Korolev got gulaged; he spent a few years swinging a pickaxe in a mine. I've read that he ws mining for gold in Siberia, but it may have been coal.

      https://i.imgur.com/Ga8Pq3a.jpg

      The future head of the Soviet space program, Sergei Korolev, spent years in a gulag because a fellow engineer ratted him out in the 30’s. Sergei was released and he ran the USSR’s space program very well, beating the Americans to the punch at a lot. Then he died in 1966 due to complications from his time in the gulag, and the Soviet space program fell apart.

      >Then he died in 1966 due to complications from his time in the gulag, and the Soviet space program fell apart.
      His death was due to long-delayed medical care for what the incompetent medical system thought was hemmorhoids. Turns out it was advanced colon cancer. He bled out on the surgical table because the chief of the hospital wanted to be the one to cut open such an important man (so he would get a pat on the head later), and he was years out of practice and botched everything horribly. They tried to call in a good surgeon in the middle of the operation, but by the time he got there, Korolev had already died.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kind of reminds me of how the Soviets ended up copying the Sidewinder missile.

    USA gave them to the ROC Air Force during the Second Taiwan Strait Crisis because their F-86 Sabres were getting blown out of the skies in gunfights by Chicom MiGs, and sure enough the Sidewinders helped turn the tide, but one of them was a dud and got lodged in the hull of a MiG-17. The Chicom pilot then safely landed his MiG that had a mostly intact Sidewinder up its ass, and sure enough it found it's way in the hands of the Soviets, who shamelessly copied it.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't this the one with a 45 caliber hole in it? They copied a hole that some airman made when he ND'd with his 1911?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The chinese took notes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We literally sold them S70s, picrel

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bad choice

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Stalin ordered a picture perfect copy of B29
    >so much so that the half of the original plane that had one half of its crew compartment painted bright red copied
    >the real reason the half of the crew compartment was painted red, not gray was because the factory ran out of green paint
    lmao,lol even as someone from a post soviet shithole i can say with certainty that muscovites were a cargo cult that coerced other soviet states with brute force

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which shithole? Just curious.
      >t. Magyar

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/ckrU2TM.jpg

        And one day, it became well-known that the town rapist couldn't get it up anymore.

        >Don't talk to me or my son ever again

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the story about how the accuracy international rifle got greenlit

    im sure someone has it, im too lazy to check

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