>One of the Marine Corps newest suicide drones was unveiled at the SOF Week special operations conference in Tampa on Tuesday.

>One of the Marine Corps’ newest suicide drones was unveiled at the SOF Week special operations conference in Tampa on Tuesday. Made by Teledyne FLIR Defense, Rogue 1 is a 10-pound, vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) loitering munition with interchangeable warheads that can be recalled and recovered if an attack isn't issued or one is aborted.
>Teledyne FlLIR Defense said it will deliver an initial order of 127 Rogue 1s to the Marines later this summer for testing and evaluation. The initial delivery order is valued at $12 million, or about $94,000 per drone.
How many FPV drones could be bought + an RPG warhead instead of a single "Rogue 1" drone?: https://www.twz.com/air/rogue-1-is-one-of-the-marine-corps-newest-kamikaze-drone

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this will ultimately be the biggest reason the military industrial complex will fail.

    the US military could build a million FPV drones and strap grenades to it for the same cost as 2000 of these dumb injection molded factory built piles of shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seething third worlder detected.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In fact, he's true.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he's true
          Tell us more, Rajesh

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I predict there will be a countermeasure or system of countermeasures that will render off the shelf drones less usable or unusable, and then the idea of loitering and cheap munitions will have to give way to expensive counter-countermeasures. The same way airplanes went from wooden and canvas expandable scout aircraft to what they are today, wanted capabilities and new countermeasures will put pressure on the system until you have a much more capable yet more expensive system.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i dont think so
        when you understand that the electronics can be switched out and updated just as much as EW systems

        the only real system that can stop this weapon is autocannons with airburst shells. and those will be few and far between for some time to come.

        Not just that , the speed at which defense systems will need to be able to detect , range , and fire on these fast (200mph) drones will be astronomical.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >when you understand that the electronics can be switched out and updated just as much as EW systems
          Has it not occurred to you that systems that are resistant to EW and jamming will be significantly more expensive and harder to procure than systems that aren't?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, you do understand that there already exists current close in air defenses systems designed to shoot down cruise missiles that travel much faster than drones right?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >when you understand that the electronics can be switched out and updated just as much as EW systems
          They can't, though. This kind of arms race will ramp up performance requirements faster than miniaturization can keep up with. You'll need a bigger drone with more space for more hardened electronics to keep up with EW systems on plattforms that can be a lot more profligate with space and weight than your "cheap" FPV drone.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >capable of shooting down drones from 1-5 miles out
          >$10 a shot

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As if that thing would be 1-5mi from the front

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What are they going to do, shoot it with a missile? It can shoot those down too. Hit it with artillery? It can even take out artillery shells. Also it's not like it's just going to be sitting there by itself, there's this thing called combined arms.

              Plus they are getting smaller and more powerful as the tech gets better.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >shoot it with a missile? It can shoot those down too
                It cant
                >Hit it with artillery? It can even take out artillery shells
                It cant
                It can barely handle mortar shells.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Its a truck with a laser anon, not exactly rare or expensive tech.
              There no reason why these things wouldn't get as close to the front as they need to

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Its a truck with a laser anon, not exactly rare or expensive tech.

                https://breakingdefense.com/2023/07/lockheed-secures-221m-army-deal-for-high-powered-air-defense-laser-prototype/
                >Lockheed secures $221M Army deal for high-powered air defense laser prototype
                >This effort will provide up to four complete HEL weapon systems

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >NATO Vaporwave
            So why is it not being sent to Ukraine yet?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              probably because they are still in development and don't know their full capabilities yet. Current systems are 60kw but can be scaled up to 120kw. They are even testing them on c130s.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The one I posted was boeing but the lockheed one is a lot more powerful. Apparently they can be small enough to be put on f35s too.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe they should be testing solutions to getting my balls off their forehead. I charge $94,000 per removal

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Make the laser thing just an interchangeable box so you can put it in any truck. Here i improved your design.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Palletized DEW are on the army's to-do list.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Show me a cheap COTS quadcopter that has swappable EW-resistant electronics.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, no, no. You don't understand, anon. Shitty quad copters are literally uncounterable.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Eventually the MIC will catch on to robotics assisted injection molding and electronics assembly/soldering for competitively priced US based production.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >bro you could have a million dumb chinks rush into a meat grinder instead of ten thousand well trained soldiers

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"Who needs millions of dumb artillery rounds when tens of thousands of GPS rounds can hit more accurately?"
        >Year 3 of the war in Ukraine
        >"More! We need more rounds! Frick those 'high tech' rounds!"

        Obviously this war has shoen that good enough is good enough and expensive high tech solutions come with their own major downsides.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The logistics for dumping thousands of shells a day would be extremely difficult against an enemy with air superiority

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You may not have air superiority even you have superior airforce.
            There already was lesson from Korea when do political reason USAF couldn't move past border and couldn't destroy commie air bases . As result MiG fighters treat remain forever.
            But in Korea they dint have SAMs and MIG threat was mild.

            Today very long SAMs exist and you can run into situation when long range SAMs are providing "umbrella" over battlefield you cant remove, becsaue of the political implications striking Russian or Chinese mainland.

            P.S. And besides US Israel, euro countries for don't posses Air Force strong enough to have major impact on the battlefield.

            P.P.S also don't forget proxy wars. Liek in Ukraine, relevance on the air superiority failed NATO support. Without Air Superiority they lack critical capabilities. Like during counter offensive Ukrainian Leopard-2 tanks were defenseless against Russian helicopters ATGM long range spam.
            >just send F-16 to deal with the... ACK!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So why Ukraine needs to draft people and maintain an army of hundreds of thousands of soldiers instead of trainining 10 000 guys and sending them to capture Moscow? If it's so easy, why won't the US just drop 10 000 paratroopers and gg wp Russia in a single week?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Staying COTS in a military context is stupid because it leaves critical parts of the supply chain exposed and in civillian hands.
      COTS is fine if you need something fast or are desperate, but once a capability is identified and understood its time to develop a specialised military use version with an integrated supply chain, even if you end up paying a premium for it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You could load your gun with $2-a-pop 9mm self-defense rounds that will work 99.999% of the time
      >OR you could use $0.08 big bucket o' .corroded 22LRs that have a 20% chance of being duds.
      >hurr durr I'll take the 25 times more ammo, kek. I am very smart.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's nore like senators taking your money to buy Raytheon brand 22lr ammo at $10,000 a pop that also have an 80% chance od failure.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          because the one thing we all think when we think about American made munitions is "80% chance of failure", right?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Precision Carpet Bombing
            What a time to be alive.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Look at the guys face at the end
              Thirdies unironically do not understand what they are up against until they see it with their own eyes, that's why they talk so much shit

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, that's why you're posting outdated footage from before you made everything gay and moronic.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wasn't that from like, 2012 or something?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What does this moronic gibberish even mean, you inbred mongoloid?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >can't understand basic english
                >calls others moronic
                sad, report to sgt tyrona for pronoun drills

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well of course, I'm american, the real question is why you're obsessed with slavs

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm american
                Proof? Why not just save us time and go back to leftypol, tankie troon. YWNBAW.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Trannies are disgusting and must all be killed without exception.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              haha yeah the modern day US military never demonstrates capabilities totally beyond those of its main rivals, what a ridiculous idea

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The CH-53 is nothing compared with the Mi-26.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I honestly don't know what you're trying to say here.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think he's one of those morons that swallowed the "The US military is full of trannies and has become useless" propaganda. So now he's trying to insist older footage is irrelevant.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I think he's one of those morons that swallowed the "The US military is full of trannies and has become useless" propaganda
                You forgot the part where it's the US military constantly putting out propaganda showing that they're full of useless trannies.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >full of
                Where does it do that? Showing token trannoids isn't the same as being full of trannoids, my autistic black and white moronic shillfren.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's happening but uhhhhhhh
                I accept your concession, maybe stop using the armed forces to promote troonyism in the future and there's a chance people will eventually forget about it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who gives a frick if there's a token trannoid? What does that have to do with a fricking drone?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >WHO EVEN CARES??!!
                everyone, evidently, given the lack of recruits since you turned the military into the designsted dilation station

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is never really a surplus of people lining up for the military anyway. Hell, during the Iraq/Afghanistan war after the initial boost from 9/11 they had to relax requirements in order to meet recruitment levels. China is having a hard time finding enough recruits smart enough to do more than work a plow right now, too. Is it because of the CCPs troony push? Of course not/ It because we're not in a fricking hot war, nobody has directly attacked the US, and it's more profitable in a modern first world Western country to work in the civilian market. All of this would change under an actual war. Plus, it's because rednecks are waiting until Trump gets in office. They ain't takin no orders from Brandon, ya hear!?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Actually they were all fired for refusing to get the clotshot, and there aren't enough trannies to replace them with.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I honestly don't give a shit. They signed the papers and during boot camp got a shitload of vaccines and shots. Now they have a problem with it? Come on, now. Seems like an easy way to get out, retire early, or set yourself up for a huge payday from the enviable lawsuits.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's not happening and it's good that it did
                okay, well now you don't have a military

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So the US military has 0 personnel since the rest died two years ago due to zombification?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                correct, except half of them are dead due to troonyficiation, the other half ar dead due to "died suddenly", and military families no longer exist after being betrayed like that

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sweet, US military has ghost equipment shooting, firing, maintaining, flying, driving, floating, and travelling to other continents.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The US military isnt full of trannies, its full of brown and black people

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >McNamara's morons

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dude I actually know people from the military, the cliche is true. The first thing they’ll tell you is that military equipment sucks. 25 years ago at the peak of American global military strength on paper and influence and mobile artillery units required 24/7 maintenance cycles and broke constantly.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >doesn’t know the phrase “quantity has a quality all its own”

        Absolute shill level giga cope.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The cheap drones are the $0.5/round normal ammo and this $100 000 piece of shit is some $20/round grifter bullshit. The war in Ukraine isn't being fought with 22lr wake the frick up.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      NASA's $8 gorillion space probes should use Chinesium screws because they're cheaper.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ?si=2MAzKHsEIbaa4T4S

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why build warships when your navy can be cheap fishing boats?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Liberty ships were a class of cargo ship built in the United States during World War II under the Emergency Shipbuilding Program. Although British in concept,[3] the design was adopted by the United States for its simple, low-cost construction. Mass-produced on an unprecedented scale, the Liberty ship came to symbolize U.S. wartime industrial output.[4]
        >The class was developed to meet British orders for transports to replace ships that had been lost. Eighteen American shipyards built 2,710 Liberty ships between 1941 and 1945 (an average of three ships every two days),[5] easily the largest number of ships ever produced to a single design.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >warship
          Learn2read

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you do the math

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >$94,000 per drone
    hahahahaha the US is fricking done

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Flyaway cost of the drone is probably way less, that price includes civilian training teams, technical experts and support staff, as well as warranty to replace parts.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dude we are talking about a fricking FPV drone here, stop fricking coping. Drone + warhead + controller + transmitter + goggles + PC app for training shouldn't cost the same as four new Toyota Corollas a piece. This is a fricking disgrace.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You don’t understand anon, the cost of the heckin valid Russian destroying non negotiable gay anal sex super technology is actually appropriate, it can kill six million Russians and will be driven by Vladimir Zelenskyy himself. With just one small $12 million dollar acquisition, we can save democracy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Now make it to where it wont get countered by EWAR.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >develop manportable antiradiation munitions/drones to destroy jammers
            >send in cheap spammable drones to clean up the rest
            $90k for a single suicide drone that doesn't really do much beyond a $300 FPV drone with a grenade strapped on is stupid
            the point of these drones is that they're dirt cheap, simple and can be easily carried in the field, the US already has tons of sophisticated munitions.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don’t bother, just let them laugh or seethe. They’re too ignorant to ever get it.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >94 thousand per kamikaze drone
    That's a scam

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao Iran’s big one that can kill tanks is like $40,000 isn’t it? What a joke. But as they say, you go out how you came in

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >that can kill tanks
      You mean mildly annoy tanks. Short reminder that Lancet still has 0 observed actual kills against MBTs.

      >is like $40k
      And yet the Russians somehow paid in excess of $300k per unit LMAO.

      Also, if the US spends ten times as much as the opponent to kill them, that's a total US victory. Sucks being poor, eh, thirdie?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >suicide drones
    Why are they called this? What separates it from any other guided munition to warrant the title?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Propeller

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the only difference between suicide drones and cruise missiles is unit cost

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some drones observe, some drop grenades and some blow themselves up.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The drone became trans

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If this thing can operate in an EW saturated environment, then the cost isn't necessarily too bad. FPVs in Ukraine are slowly losing their effectiveness due to the ubiquity of EW countermeasures. A drone that can resist these countermeasures would be extremely valuable. Ideally the US would field a high/low mix of drones, with plenty of cheap ones for tasks that don't require the most expensive tool available, but the DoD sadly doesn't work that way.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even with that it's just a chip and components on a board that separates a normal FPV from a EW capable drone. Not more than $50.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *resistant

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Utterly wrong. You have less than zero clue what you're talking of. Shut the frick up before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A gtx 980 from 10 years ago costs $50 now while a rtx 4080 costs $500. The raw material cost for both is just sand and copper and can be measured in the tens of cents.
        Furthermore, the software drivers for both cost tens of millions of dollars to develop.
        You have no idea what you are talking about.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      homie even ew resistant drones cost like 15k dollars. That's a an actual robbery. And if unitedstatians had trully civil society there would've been protests on the streets

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Point is their war demonstrated value of great value low part of high-low robotics. Low end COTS solution cost pennies and they work. Defending again them is very hard even for peer enemies like Russia and these low end solutions have unprecedented cost/effective ratio. Soldiers and AFVs dont have inherit protection against drone (but ever solder and AFV cann destroy other soldier and AFV in direct combat)

      Western MIC lacks low end solutions. Do you need high end? Yes. Experience from Ukraine: Russia uses EW protected vehicles to create EW protection "bubble" and Ukrainians blow up them with more expensive and complex AI controlled drones that can approach to EW protected vehicles. But when these EW platforms are destroyed area is swarmed with cheapest FPV drones.

      Also these high-low mix solution is not anything new. Guns were the same: ATACMS-Himars-155mm-120mm-25mm-5.56mm. You don't plan shooting every target with ATACMS, yes its super good but you would run out of money trying to hit every soldier with that. This why there are cheapo low end guns and they outnumber high performance guns by orders of magnitude. And with drones Western MIC completely lacks "25mm-5.56mm" drones bracket while there is silent revolution in warfare happening with COTS solution developed by civilians industry that alreayd exist and cots pennies without MIC monopoly overhead.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    charge a billion each idc I dont have an income to pay taxes but that name is heinous lmao

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >turdies FINALLY get one single percieved """advantage"""" over let ebul wect(drone bombing)
    >within a year westernerners start rolling out drone zapper lasers, hammers and microwave beams plus proliferating fused SHORAD platforms
    >now they come up with a superior suicide drone too
    Man, they really are getting cucked. What do they even have left now?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And none of that bullshit will get adopted in meaningful numbers because it's too fricking expensive to fit in the budget and they'll only always field a couple testing units in a program before they decide that it's not worth the cost and look for the next one. All those laser programs have been a fricking farce.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The US is was fielding three battalions of their new SHORAD strykers two years ago already and are ready to deploy the laser version and the euros are already adopting the skyranger
        >m-muh cost!!!1!!!!
        that's one off the turdie cope list checked off

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And? the FPV threat with $500 drones is a fricking squad level threat. If there is not an initiative to fit a SHORAD on every single front line vehicle down to Humvees then it's not even 10% of a realistic solution. Sure your command might be fine but your units are getting mulched.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >getting mulched

            In a stalemated trench war like Ukraine, yeah.

            If you think that these situations would happen nearly as often in a war involving western powers then you're delusional.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Have you not been looking at the WEBM's? Any unit out in the open, such as in a mobile war, fricking die. If you do not have overhead cover you are dead.
              Drones are NOT a result of the trench warfare, the trench warfare is a result of the drones.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, the trenches are a result of neither side being able to achieve critical mass to punch through the enemy line, compounded by chronic lack of fuel/ammunition.
                If the US entered this war tomorrow every russian unit above platoon size would get a JDAM up it's ass before the first American boot touched Ukrainian soil.
                You also act as if the burgers didn't spend the last 20 years figuring out how to jam all sorts of signals to stop IEDs or that they didn't learn anything from this war.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia is not a peer enemy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes that's exactly my point.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then you shouldn't be talking about how a western army goes against a peer enemy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then what's the point of winging about how these drones are useless?

                They aren't going to be used in a vacuum

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The only peer enemy to a western army is another western army. Except for the US, they have no peer enemy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        homie wat. The DoD has been fielding EW portable assets for the past two decades. Didn't you ever wonder why IED reports dropped after 08?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          IED incidents dropped in the latter half of 2008 because the surge ended, you fricking dumbass.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it's too fricking expensive to fit in the budget
        The US makes up 25% of the world's GDP. I think we'll be fine.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          how much of that is production and how much is government eating its lunch using your wealth?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            100%
            Its called gross domestic PRODUCT for a reason

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you fail to see the entire picture, when the government pays for its own lunch using your wealth, that counts towards GDP though the spending came from your your wealth through decreasing purchasing power

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this, the whole thing is just broken window economics: MiC edition, you're destroying the entire economy when you print infinite money to buy worthless goods from yourself

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Switchblades were already way better than Mavics on paper, yet in real conditions they were completely outclassed by cheap chinese shit. Tgat's just the meta of drone warfare.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >completely outclassed

        They weren't outclassed, we just saw next to nothing of switchblade footage, and they didn't send that many in the first place.
        All these drone videos hide the fact that the actual attrition rate for drones is hideously high and what we do see is survivorship bias.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they didn't send that many in the first place
          ...
          How many did they send in USD figures? How many $500 drones would that have been? perhaps "many"
          >hideously high
          Hence why the Ukrainian initiative to build a million drones or whatever

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's the whole fricking point moron, Ukraine can shit out 100000 drones for the 500 one we shit out and by sheer numbers alone they are more effective. Longbow vs the musket

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >94k per drone
    Honestly, I'm surprised its not more

    Anyways
    INB4 a team of Marines accidentally blow themselves up with a FPV suicide drone while trying to look up their own buttholes

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >$94,000 per drone.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >3/4 drones are lost to EW
      >$400,000 for a single hit on target
      >a Javelin missile is $176,000

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        When are you going to fricking understand that cost isn't an issue to the US

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We're pretending the budget and procurement contracts don't exist?

          >75% of shitty build-your-own Amazon quadcopters are lost to EW
          In contrast, this abomination is engineered to operate in GPS denied electronic warfare environments. The engineers are probably even white.

          >GPS denied
          Wow. You are aware that none of these FPV drones are dependent on GPS, right? You're repeating a marketing phrase that's an inherent quality in the type of product they're selling.

          >program costs=actual cost
          You were one of those m Facebook sports screeching about the F-35 being a trillion dollars each, weren't you?

          >program costs
          It's a fricking suicide drone, anon. Mark up a wooden pencil at $100 a pop and yeah, you get your program costs.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh God, you're one of those
            >SOVIETS USED PENCILS INSTEAD OF FANCY PENS!!
            morons too.. grim.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nice deflection, butthole. No need to start insulting people just because you were wrong.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I said you're moronic, and you proved me right. You could have proved me wrong, and displayed how you understand the difference between flyaway cost and program cost, but you decided not to.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The moment you suggested the project cost of a fifth gen stealth fighter to be comparable to that of a 3D-printable quadcopter, I knew there was no point in engaging you with reason.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he still can't read
                Holy frick, theres no way...

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >no u
            Unlike an analog FPV drone this thing can navigate on its own, do ATR, and still has an encrypted LPI datalink. It doesn't take a trained pilot who subsequently gets wienerblocked by jammers. Any soldier can use it and trust it'll kill the target.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >When are you going to fricking understand that cost isn't an issue to the US
          This is why you can no longer afford basic necessities while losing to goat herders with AKs.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ah so now it's the "Afghanistan" cope
            NEXT

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you dumb? They're taking YOUR money and giving it to some butthole senator's cousin's bank account while making zero difference in actual battles

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            remi ma?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              not my cup of tea, but you do you.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >75% of shitty build-your-own amazon quadcopters are lost to EW
        In contrast, this abomination is engineered to operate in GPS denied electronic warfare environments. The engineers are probably even white.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dont forget

          >instantly swappable warhead
          >superior range and loiter time
          >retrievable
          >can be used as a regular scout drone
          >autonomous operation

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            swappable warhead
            Who the frick cares, you can just as easily tape any bomb on a normal FPV
            range and loiter time
            10km is quite equivalent to the ones in Ukraine

            As retrievable as any other, besides who the frick cares if a cheap drone is retrievable?
            >>can be used as a regular scout drone
            Then just make a scout drone and you can at least try to justify the cost..
            operation
            Oh like on any modern premium chink drone you can buy from Walmart?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >you can just as easily tape any bomb on a normal FPV
              No anon, you cannot
              Relying on off the shelf drones significantly limits payload options compared to a purpose built alternative

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Then just make a scout drone and you can at least try to justify the cost..
              Stop pretending that you wouldn't instantly switch to
              >The scout drones costs $x and it can't even carry a grenade?!?!?!?!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you moronic? Yes you are. Scout drones are always more expensive because they are big, have long range, high quality optics, and long loiter time. $94,000 for a western observation/recon drone would be a good price.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The swappable warhead + retrievable part is big.
            Not much stopping this thing from being army aviation except unmanned and piloted/maintained by >E4 MAFIA.
            Standard procedure probably becomes dedicated platform attached to back of humvee, launch, fire projectile, retrieve, reload & recharge, rinse and repeat

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The US military makes this mistake constantly. Making really tough over built equipment that costs $6 gorillion each works really well when you’re in a PR war trying to reduce casualties to keep a massively unpopular war going. Doesn’t work in a real conflict. Figures that the dumb ass morons in Washington would copy the one bad part about the Wehrmacht’s fighting style after shunning all of it from mission oriented command and orders to the STG for 100 years. And you couldn’t top the cake off with a better cherry than the Sig rifle. Total meme military

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not when you have something called EW, a functioning first world military, training, tactics, and funding. Those shit drones didn't work for Hamas against the israelites because they have great Western supplied or supported EW gear training and funding. They're barely working in Ukraine. If either side wasn't third world tier in terms of military funding, gear, tactics, training, and mostly for Russia corruption, they wouldn't work at all.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I’m reminded of the story of a panzer commander who out maneuvered, outfought, out gunned, and out killed lines and lines of Sherman’s until he eventually ran out of ammo and surrendered.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Things That Happened: A Memoir by Sturmbannfuhrer Y. Losingwasntmyfault

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a post by Noseberg Shekelstien: why you should buy my $6,000,000 drone that costs $33 to make

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >program costs=actual cost
        You were one of those m Facebook sports screeching about the F-35 being a trillion dollars each, weren't you?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A single Ukrainian grunt at the frontline is getting paid $2000 a month right now. I don't know in what world an expendable drone worth this much is going to justify its price. At least Javelins and RPGs can take out high value targets. At this point it's probably better to send money rather than shit like Switchblade and this

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >killing people who are surrendering
    Russians aren't people though

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cope

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >does the same job as any FPV
    >bulkier and weighs more, payload isn't any better
    >isn't more powerful, doesn't have 10x the range, does not suck your dick
    There is absolutely no grounds to justify this, it represents a strictly doctrinally backwards approach to drone use.
    We've been planning for years for the next war to fricking darken the skies with drones to the point that people would be forced underground. That sounds a bit more harrowing to me than coming in with six gold plated drones that the rank and file aren't allowed to touch.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >make a gazillion drones
      >enemy stays 3km
      >wtf how did we lose??
      Insane how drones completely revived the same moronic arguments reformers used to make

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >enemy stays 3km
        FPV drones are already fricking squad level assets, you telling me you're going to get the entire enemy infantry force to pinky swear not to come within 3km because you'll shit your pants, maybe cry a little? THEY'RE GOING TO SWARM YOU, DUMBASS

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I will always be close to the enemy
          >beyond line of sight combat is simply a pipe dream
          Get back in your hole, Sprey

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the enemy will never close with me because my side has boutique gold plated super drones
            >except I have to fricking call one in and I don't get priority because there's one user per fricking company
            >wow I'm glad we didn't take the existence of these as a squad level asset seriously, what's that buzzing sou

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >my squad level drone is better then yours
              >why? Well because mines cheaper and has range and payload, Sar
              You didn't even read the article. You seen your nation's net worth for the program cost and your ESL brain tuned everything else out.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You didn't even read the article.
                Stop viral marketing on /k/.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >nooo don't discuss weapons on the weapons board
                You're free to leave. But we know your boss will dock your pay

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "Discuss weapons"
                Ah, yes
                >You didn't even read the article. You seen your nation's net worth for the program cost and your ESL brain tuned everything else out.
                This is totally /k/ and not PrepHole or /misc/.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't do anything but repeat SAR SAR SAR SAR but you exposed yourself as ESL in the other thread already. Go back to your call center. I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who doesn't want the US to fall behind by falling for a meme and overpaying 100x what is necessary and thus overlooking what the actual function of these drones will be on the battlefield moving forward.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >how does everyone know I'm brown??
                >Surely it's only 1 person
                >I can't possibly be giving myself away
                Meds

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >I don't get priority

              Yeah, and I simply call in the readily available artillery strike or bombing run because my country is competent enough to establish air superiority

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You aren't even baiting the hook at this point, but I will reiterate for whoever might be honest and on your side. We, the US, have been concerned about the threat of ubiquitous drones for years now, to the point of developing doctrine around the idea that the surface could literally be made UNINHABITABLE. So no, this cavalier flippant attitude of "well it's okay if we suck at it" doesn't actually work or represent the American stance, and it shouldn't. Artillery and CAS cannot prevent you from getting one tapped by some cyberpunk in a hedge two miles over.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How will the guy hiding in the hedge use his drone if he gets killed by a bigger predator drone first?
                You have to remember that the drone situation only exists in Ukraine because both sides can't into air supremacy.
                Current US meta is to spend 6 months bombing everything to shit and then roll in the troops to mop up afterwards.
                >Oh no, 3 US soldiers got killed in a drone attack
                Yeah, and 30 insurgents got killed in an airstrike. It's that insurgent lives are worthless so nobody says anything.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How will the guy hiding in the hedge use his drone if he gets killed by a bigger predator drone first?
                morons like you must all be zoomers, because the rest of us have seen this tech in play and it's not a fricking instant kill fieid. Yesterday's haj with a cellphone trigger IED is no different than tomorrow's drone user except that the latter is more potent and easier to set up.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And tell me how many hajis died per every American soldier killed
                The fact that we're taking 1:10 loss ratios and demanding that it be 1:20 or 1:100 instead just because the army needs to do better is not the win for the drone enthusiast hajis squatting in a bush

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And tell me how many hajis died per every American soldier killed
                What does it matter moron? A better scorecard doesn't make you less dead.

                I sincerely doubt you can concentrate on flying a drone while bombs and artillery are accurately hitting your position

                >I sincerely doubt you can concentrate on flying a drone while bombs and artillery are accurately hitting your position
                Because that will 100% always be the case.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You might be dead, but it's not about you. The individual soldier is not expected to survive on the battlefield. That's just how wars work.
                A better question to ask is whether having drones would help you win the overall war any better than not having them. And if the enemy has f15s and you don't, then the answer is no both ways.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your existence justifies the collective suffering of zoomers as a species.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ad hominum
                If you have an argument then say it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And I'm sure that there will also always be a drone available 100% of the time too moron.

                Don't you understand that these things are just another tool to be used and not some end-all be all superweapon, they can be and are countered regularly by armies with significantly less resources that what the US has

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >And I'm sure that there will also always be a drone available 100% of the time too moron.
                Not at all relevant to the point. You want to push the idea that artillery and CAS are some kind of ur counter to drones and it's without merit independently of any confounding factors.

                That said, yes, there will be a point in the future where it will be necessary to assume that any functioning enemy asset of any size will have immediately available drone support.
                >Don't you understand that these things are just another tool to be used and not some end-all be all superweapon, they can be and are countered regularly by armies with significantly less resources that what the US has
                We are only seeing the first glimpses of this particular strand of drone warfare in Ukraine and it isn't so much that either side has a counter as they are an endemic part of the conflict. That will continue to be the case. I don't consider them a super weapon but I do consider them of consequence on par with the personal firearm.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We are only seeing the first glimpses of this particular strand of drone warfare in Ukraine
                Ukraine isn't a first. We saw drone droppers in the ISIS years of Iraq.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Pretty sure we haven't seen FPV drones used the way they are in Ukraine before. And that is a novel capacity, they are faster and deadlier in return for disposability which ultimately doesn't matter that much as droppers don't make it back that often either.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes I think FPV drones are new for thirdies. They're far superior to droppers for hitting moving targets. But the general concept isn't new. Switchblades are American tech even older than dropper drones. They were fielded circa 2010 and their concept hardware dated back to a cannon fired scout drone from the 1990s.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Switchblade didn't represent a novel capacity for the same reason this thing will never be relevant, limited production.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You want to push the idea that artillery and CAS are some kind of ur counter to drones
                CAS quite literally beats drones by virtue of being able to touch the drone operate while the drone operator can't touch the CAS
                Say you have the current drone filled environment in Ukraine, but you sub either side with the US with all their airpower instead. The war would be over in 48 hours because after 48 hours there won't even be an enemy army left regardless of whether they have drones or not.
                You're hyper focusing on the wrong question.
                The goal isn't to kill a single enemy soldier in a 1v1 duel with your rifle and then repeat that 1 million times.
                The goal is to wipe out enemy c2 infrastructure from the top down, and then drop a jdam on anything that moves with your 1000 fleet of f16s

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >CAS quite literally beats drones by virtue of being able to touch the drone operate while the drone operator can't touch the CAS
                You are working off of the assumption of complete omnipotence, omnipresence and immediacy. CAS does not have these things, not even close.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                neither do drones

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Squaddie with a drone is a lot closer, a lot faster, with more relevant information.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not if you have actually competent communications and artillery, and is basically the same as a mortar section.
                You still haven't answered how are drone operators supposed to work against a force which can easily sniff them out and strike them quickly and accurately far outside the reach of drones

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >CAS doesn't have ESM
                You've got the classic thirdie problem of assuming the Western meta is 20 years behind where it actually is.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >CAS does not have these things, not even close.
                Then you have to ask yourself the question of why.
                Why not just double the defense budget then and buy 2x CAS? Or maybe 3x?
                Or maybe you're just poor.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't apply to us in the US, much less anyone else. If the US budget doesn't do something, it's not practical.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If the US budget doesn't do something, it's not practical
                When exactly was the last time the US ran out of CAS?
                And I don't mean oh the politicians are afraid that they'll lose the election so they intentionally gimp the troops sitting around in the sandbox, but rather in a full out war (remember, current 3% defense spending is peacetime spending, cold war was at least 5% and a real war would likely see 10% spending)

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The only reason why you think this is because you're looking at everyone else besides the US. And they are too, which is why thirdies are using drones.
                If you just so happen to be the US though, there's no limit to CAS
                See gulf war for examples

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >See gulf war for examples
                See the entire GWOT as a counter example. Is CAS abundant? Yes. Is it omnipresent? No. Is it all knowing? FUUCK no. BRRTTT could be coming for you or the enemy, just bunker down and pray. Is it immediate? Mother fricker it's not in your goddamn pocket so no.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not sure that GWOT is a good example for you to use.
                It was more a political failure than a military one.
                If CAS couldn't solve GWOT by brute forcing the problem, then I'm not sure what drones could do in that situation. Especially since you just mentioned ieds a few posts up being most of the casualties.
                Drones would have lost GWOT as badly as CAS.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Drones would have lost GWOT as badly as CAS
                The problem is that this bifurcated into separate discussions at some point. This is my argument against anons using CAS as a justification for not considering drones a threat, not an argument for more drones per say. That is a separate discussion with separate points.

                Or in other words, drones may not have won it, but drones on the other side would have made it much worse, a fact which seems obvious but through tortured logic people have convinced themselves cannot be the case because "we just kill them all immediately EZ"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, I see. My apologies then.
                And yeah, the ideal solution would be to leverage the advantages of both, but this is the 4chins so trying to have a proper conversation here is next to impossible.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >drones on the other side would have made it much worse
                How?
                ISIS tried this. It didn't work, ergo it's wrong. The entire MIddle East IED ecology switched away from wireless to manually controlled wired bombs because of American jammers.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah it's not like ISIS still uses drones wait they do well they're not a thorn in anyone's side wait they're a plague on much of the ME and north africa

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >plague in ME and North Africa
                So all the places that are world renowned for having a village militia share an AK

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes it very much is relevant when artillery can CAS are both longer ranged and capable of bringing down a lot more hurt on you than a Black personrigged VOG.

                In fact, the biggest threat to drone operators today isn't another drone but counterbattery after their link gets tracked back to them by ELINT
                guess which country and it's allies has the best ELINT in the world

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Second point of contention
                If the guys in the video had a drone with them, would it have helped them at all?
                Honestly, you would be better off spamming why doesn't everyone just buy attack helicopters instead.

                ?si=8wnfo0Z8LgA-sCCe

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >a single death in a warzone means all that better gear is pointless.
                Its so weird how 3rd worlders see White people as literal gods, and that no cost is too high to kill just 1

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Haji's death is of no consequence to you, himself, or anyone else. The point is not 'why have all this stuff" it's "there is no k:d ratio that would be satisfactory here, so bringing it up makes no sense".

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >if our enemies kill us, we win
                Grand winning strategy, anon.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >even if our enemies kill us, we win
                Worked in Afghanistan. Worked in Vietnam. Working well with Houthis. Time proven and tested.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Afghanistan
                Irrelevant shithole
                >Vietnam
                Best bros with the US
                >Houthis
                More irrelevant goat botherers
                NEXT

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >irrelevant
                Yeah doubling or even tripling shipping costs by sea is irrelevant haha

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh no, I have to pay $10 for my made in China plastic instead of $5 now. How will I ever live.
                Meanwhile, the Houthis is still squatting in his mud hut thinking he's won because his cousin just got killed in an airstrike

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Making trade between Europe and China will destroy America, 2 more weeks
                lol

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, sure would suck to be a country whose economy is based around exporting low value high volume freight like small plastic doodads right now lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So your defense strategy is to die? I'm all for it tbh, so long as you go first

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I sincerely doubt you can concentrate on flying a drone while bombs and artillery are accurately hitting your position

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >made UNINHABITABLE
                How?
                >le bajillion millions of drones
                Drones which need an operator, drones which need to be made, bought, modified, transported to the front and then used by trained men, where do you get a million dudes to pilot a swarm of a million drones?

                How does having our own drones fix this issue better than just jamming them, backtracing the signal to the operator and atomising him with a JDAM form the f15 that's loitering above you?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How?
                I didn't advise them, I don't know. I'm using that to point out that the US does in fact consider drone proliferation as a plausible threat so spamming that it's some kind of brownoid opinion is nonsense deflection.
                >How does having our own drones fix this issue
                Walk and chew bubblegum moron. You don't counter rifles by festooning everyone with armor, you have to also have guns, preferably more than the other guy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >where do you get a million dudes to pilot a swarm of a million drones?
                Can't speak for the thordies but our plan is to have million drone swarm piloted by no-one, just programmed with basic commands like "FIND ENEMY" and "KILL"

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that sounds good on paper, but in reality diversity and inclusion mandates by the federal government would require that they're programmed by street shitting indian migrants that would end up targeting bathroom stalls instead

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you're saying, it'll cause a civil war between toilet hating turdies and toilet worshipping non-using turdies? Sounds nice

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          also, following up my own post

          >make a gazillion drones
          >enemy stays 3km
          >wtf how did we lose??
          Insane how drones completely revived the same moronic arguments reformers used to make

          The reformers are moronic because a) their solutions waste personnel that would otherwise be used on better platforms and b) their solutions don't actually offer cost benefit returne compared to a tech heavy solution. This is not true of this thing compared to a 500 dollar hobby job with mostly off the shelf parts. There is just no massive tech moat between them comparable to the differences between having and lacking radar, stealth, etc.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >remember the switchblade?
    A smashing success limited by low production numbers.
    >i dont
    shame about your brain damage and/or skin tone
    >neither does the military
    see prior comment about your head injury and melanin levels

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >prototypes cost more than mass production
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HOW COULD THIS BE HAPPENING IM GOING INSANE SAVE ME PIERE

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe they should have used off the shelf parts then...

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    few orders for unproven tech, my dear brown clown
    After BUK breaking here-and-there it seems to have graduated to being a known good, and proceeding to bigger DoD contracts under the Replicator program.
    Cry more.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What makes it worth 94k? Is the camera thing really worth 93k?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Extremely costly American labour, no economy of scale + just corruption in the American MIC in general. Average American will consider any design or factory work for less than $5000 a month beneath him, meanwhile Chinese will do the same for $800-1000 + they already dominate the market and produce huge amount of drones, thus driving down the costs for established models

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Chinese do not fricking innovate, look at their shitty Boston Dynamics clone they stole the tech data for in 2010 from a tech expo versus the shit we are doing in America. You get what you pay for and the US dominates in designing complex devices. There's a reason why Designed in California was stuck on a lot of Apple products when Apple was huge.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unfortunately, the Chinese have "all the shit we are doing in America" because they own Biden. They aren't capable of innovation, but they don't need to be, since they just steal all your shit for free.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Biden doesn't own the American private industry, he's a corrupt moron who prostitutes out his seat but he can't force Boston Dynamics to hand over tech data.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He can, actually, because the CCP has access to all information that the federal government does.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You talk like a fricking child.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is there any part you're denying?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Im not arguing with nuh uh invisible force field tier garbage. Go get yourself a juicebox.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you're just projecting.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The Chinese do not fricking innova... ACK!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Am I supposed to be impressed with this jammable light useless piece of shit that can't integrate with Infantry ARG systems?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You are not gonna jam it when it hovers above enemy positions and spies with its x28 zoom camera. You just have to accept that now high above enemy positions there are always such eyes that are looking at you and you cant escape and your tactics are now outdated.

              And America absolutely have no analogues to replace that in case China decides to frick you.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its not doing much spying at 34 minutes battery life and its not going to integrate with the chink's nonexistant ARG systems, meanwhile the US has a rifle that overpens armor China can't even afford to mass issue its troops and is working on a system that allows infantry to interact more directly with fire support systems. At best this shitty drone is only useful for third world shitholes that can't afford missiles.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Its not doing much spying at 34 minutes battery life
                You buy 5 and launch then in rotation. They cost pennies, here is when quantity becomes its quality.

                >and its not going to integrate with the chink's nonexistant ARG systems,
                Duuuude? Did you saw Ukrainian battalions HQs they revealed in their videos? They have cyberpunk setups filled with screens (consumers TVs bought for pennies too) where command can see video feed of battlefield from such chink drones in real time.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See

                >How to get counterbarraged by a predator
                Do turdies SERIOUSLY think the US doesnt have drones of their own that are integrated to accurate weapons? Do turdies SERIOUSLY think the US doesn't have 2 decades of asymmetrical warfare dealing with garbage like this?

                Holy shit you goddamn tribals are gooning mad hard over WW1 but with drones when the US can do SEAD.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you can do battery swaps bro
                this works even better with shit like IVAS

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How to get counterbarraged by a predator
                Do turdies SERIOUSLY think the US doesnt have drones of their own that are integrated to accurate weapons? Do turdies SERIOUSLY think the US doesn't have 2 decades of asymmetrical warfare dealing with garbage like this?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >US doesnt have drones of their own that are integrated to accurate weapons?
                Not enough. Low level systems are lacking. Today every platoon should have recon section with DJI 3 pro like recon drones.
                Every company strike drone platoon with drop nade drones and FPV kamikaze likes.
                In mechanized infantry/armor every platoon should have recon/strike drone section.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            dji is dogshit bro
            get a holystone if you really want a crappy camera drone

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The fact that you can get one overnight to your place casually is more impressive than chinks adopting innovations from the West or Korea and putting it into consumer products.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Where are the US made quadcopter drones that can compete with Chinese made DJI drones in both features and price? Who did they steal the tech from?:

          >$94,000 per drone
          The DJI Agras T50 comes with AESA radars and it only costs $13k LMAO!: https://youtu.be/G8gjm2HALEM?si=VnunqXDOTEWXS2cJ

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Extremely costly American labour, no economy of scale + just corruption in the American MIC in general. Average American will consider any design or factory work for less than $5000 a month beneath him, meanwhile Chinese will do the same for $800-1000 + they already dominate the market and produce huge amount of drones, thus driving down the costs for established models

      once you get the design down, can't you just build these in automated assembly lines with almost no workers?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      currency conversion is a b***h.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bruh WWIII's going to be so boring. Its just going to be everyone trying to blow each other up with stupid drones. It should have gone hot in the 60's-80's

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wait till you figure out war has been about everyone trying to blow each other up with stupid artillery for over a century now.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that rws looks like CGI

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is fricking science fiction.
        The piece is on the move before the round can fricking impact.
        Good luck everybody else.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      War's been a variation of trying to blow the other guy up while not getting blown up yourself for a while now. Like, a long while.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wait till you figure out war has been about everyone trying to blow each other up with stupid artillery for over a century now.

        Yeah but at least then you had to have someone willing to get dirty setting up and loading howitzers and risking getting hurt but now you're getting drone striked by some limp wristed troon on the other side of the planet.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do you dronegays think that because drones exist, all other artillery systems just fade from existence?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Yes they do.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you dronegays think that because drones exist, all other artillery systems just fade from existence?
            at the latest when they start loading machine guns mounted on the drones with self-guiding ammunition

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Artillery is still the prime cause of casualties, in Ukraine too.
          It's simply the most cost-effective means of blowing up the guys over there, without getting shot by them in return.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Artillery will be king for a ridiculously long time
            These 90 thousand dollar drones will be used for SpecOps only
            And drones will be used mainly to make ISTAR and artillery acquisition more efficient

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            FPV drones ALREADY produce more casualties than artillery in Ukraine...

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No they don't lmfao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes they do lmfao
                https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/04/09/drones-russia-tanks-ukraine-war-fpv-artillery/

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not indicated anywhere in the article. Stop lying.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your link just proves me right moron

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Artillery is still the prime cause of casua... ACK!

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >vehicle losses
              >casualties
              b***h tourist.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's the same gay shit, what difference does it make if you're getting blown up by artillery or by an FPV drone?
          >oh but at least with arty the other guy gets EEEEE!
          who cares.
          Only difference I can see is the fact that your death might be posted online with whimsical music added in post, if you die in a funny enough way.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    This doesn't seem like capitalism, this seems like a government funded scam completely devoid of a free market.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Private companies scamming the taxpayer is peak capitalism

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Given that it's government spending, that's communism.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Due to the fact that this was posted on an overwhelmingly amerimutt board I cant tell if it's satire or genuine mental moronation.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the free market is when the government takes all your money and gives it to itself

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >I keep getting called brown by a single anon!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's nice to see you learned your lesson.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's all the same person!
        >the hacker known as PrepHole plots against me
        It's kind of cute, ngl

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's cute

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I found out why it costs so damn much

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You just have to give it to the chinks, they know how to mass produce cheap drones and the US MIC will never be able to compete in that segment. They should focus on AI powered ones that are immune to jamming and have all sorts of special features, but stop trying to act like you can beat DJI in their market.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Switchblade didn't represent a novel capacity
      My old office wall had a printout of a hadji making the basedface look at a Switchblade in 2015. Your opinion is worthless to me. And him lol.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Artillery with drone spotters is a hundred times more potent than FPVs, arguing otherwise is insane.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you can get the response time down, this is a fair argument. The US is stockpiling massive amounts of PGKs, and has so far declined to send any of them to Ukraine. If the Army only had an autoloader with MRSI capability, one howitzer could drop a half-dozen or more rounds onto a target area--spread out so that they have barely-overlapping lethal zones--with a time-on-target attack for less than the cost of a single ATGM. Bring back skeet rounds, and you can take out tanks rather quickly, too.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    94 thousand dollars per drone, Jesus Christ. For this price, this fricking thing better be immune to any form of jamming.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I highly doubt anything it would ever be used against would even be worth $94,000, the primary advantage of these cuckcopters is that they're supposed to be cheap as shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've seen apaches use hellfires to take out single taliban soldiers and those cost 120k each.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        personally I don't think sending our country into an apocalyptic debt spiral just to kill a few camel frickers was an intelligent trade off

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the faux-populist take
          Your type always pretend they care about 'real' peer wars, yet being prepared for those is more expensive than battling hadjis.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think firing everyone who actually won Afghanistan to replace them with brown transvestites who lost Afghanistan already destroyed our military perparedness

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >who lost Afghanistan
              hold on now
              >The Last Centurion is a memoir of one possible future, a world that is a darkling mirror of our own.
              >DEDICATION:
              >To everyone who has ever felt they were looking out over Hadrian's Wall while Rome crumbled behind them.

              the author is an ex-paratrooper with a biology degree and in this 2008 published book of his he tells a story which main plot points include a pandemic spreading out from China in 2019 as well as the protagonist properly destroying an equipment depot hes in charge of on pullout from middle-east to prevent weapons from falling into enemy hands
              the book is reportedly inspired by SARS outbreak, official name of covid is SARS-CoV-2

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't want to have Alzheimers at 40! Besides, most flu vaccines don't even work!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the book is reportedly inspired by SARS outbreak, official name of covid is SARS-CoV-2
                >woah, the events of this earlier coronavirus outbreak look eerily similar to the events of a much larger and more recent coronavirus outbreak, only on a smaller scale
                I hate the plague rats so much bros

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you don't see it when you don't read it, or listen to audiobook version, whatever

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                did you remember to get your 9th recommended covid booster?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you, Dmitri?

                I’m reminded of the story of a panzer commander who out maneuvered, outfought, out gunned, and out killed lines and lines of Sherman’s until he eventually ran out of ammo and surrendered.

                Is this WWII or is it 2023?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Of course not, I like my blood being clot free

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they only recommended 2 booster shots in my country, got the last one in 2022
                I'm still waiting to turn into a zombie or become magnetic or whatever

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Weren't we supposed to be killed by deer or something?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't the process thirdies claim fool you, drones are expensive
      A single shahed drone costs more than a hellfire missile, despite being far less accurate and carrying a much smaller warhead

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wire-guided drones when?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1955

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How much does a SINGCARS-quality SDR cost?

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    STAR WARS SUCKS!
    Watch Grown Up Science Fiction like Star Trek or Star Gate

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Star Trek is moronic

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >100k per drone
    it's all graft and corruption. The more you cope the faster the decline.

    picrel. 1.5 trillion dollars that could've been spent on education,

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I knew if I scrolled far enough, someone would be seething about the F-35

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You should be seething about the F-35

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I dunno. Do you have any articles from 2014 that might convince me?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why 2014? It's universally recognized the program turned out to be a $1,500,000,000,000 failure.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's true that's why there's no demand or even a production line for it unlike the su57, su75, and the pak41. Oh wait...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "quick look over there" is not a convincing defense of the F-35 program.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, it definitely has no orders and probably doesn't even have more than 5 models flying around.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://youtube.com/shorts/sf3R61ksp_Y?si=4WNglCL5ixCy0yuN

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, if @Millenium7HistoryTech says so, it must be true.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You got me. I as boss of Pentagon under Shiva and trad white man Putin will now cancel all f35 orders but fortunately, no one ordered even one unit since its a universally recognized failure.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              For a failure, it's selling remarkably well.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >universally recognized
              Over 1000 F-35s have been produced to date and Lockmart is still filling orders for more of them in other countries.
              Cope and seethe, moron.

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where does OSINT fall in the realm of novel innovations that have changed the battlefield? A hundred thousand soldiers (citizens) assisting on the internet is a huge boon to the military intelligence community.

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >$94,000
    Fricking how?!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gubmint frickery

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >$94,000 per drone
    The DJI Agras T50 comes with AESA radars and it only costs $13k LMAO!: https://youtu.be/G8gjm2HALEM?si=VnunqXDOTEWXS2cJ

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    What the frick does that have to do with a drone? Holy shit, take your moronic ass away. You're about a subtle as a fricking sledgehammer, and have the trolling skills of a 13-year-old that just found 4Chinz and is going to do some le ebin trollin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >NONONO STOP TALKING ABOUT HOW I FELL FOR THE LAST moronic [CURRENT THING] AND HOP ON BOARD THE NEW [CURRENT THING]
      don't forget to register your pistol brace with the ATF on your way to get boosted, you fricking homosexual lmao

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How many more parrot talking points can you hit? israelites, CCP Virus, MIC corrupt what's next? Polly want a cracker, good boy!?

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    61592033
    He's reduced to shotgun sperging. Sad.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    YWNBAM

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too expensive. Make it out of thermoformed polyethylene with some garolite ribbing and get back to me. Hell, maybe just injection mold the whole thing out of polyethylene, three parts tops

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What am I looking at here?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if derringers were made by disposable onahole manufacturers. This one also includes a cigarette lighter.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, a suicide drone should be as much munition as possible for as little control hardware and structure as allowable. They should gradually look more and more like warheads with propellers stuck on.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fortunately that shape also works very well for high speed flight

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember a time when gay people were the boogeymen that /k/ was fearful of.
    how times have changed.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    they recommend more if you are older or have risk factors, my 80 year old grandmother is on 4 or 5 for example

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    useful for GDP I guess, otherwise no

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What is economics of scale
    How do you morons going HURRRR $94,000 not understand that they're produced in few numbers and have all the R&D baked into the price?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >let's just pretend military procurement works like a rational agent
      lol, lmao. This thing will be forgotten long before price renegotiation.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fpv pilot here
    these seem like a complete meme when you look at how far along ukranian ai is
    the ai brains is cheap as frick too (same chip as a phone)

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why not just go the slaughterbot route?
    big drones with only one payload are dumb

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You need better precision. Its not easy done. But its possible and surely we will see such things made by Chinks and Iranians as next steps. (they are not bounded by morals about killer AI like West)

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Typical US military spending

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