Okay seriously, what is required for an AR to be reliable/duty ready? Do you really need to buy a $2000 Daniel Defense if you want something better than a range toy?
Okay seriously, what is required for an AR to be reliable/duty ready?
Okay seriously, what is required for an AR to be reliable/duty ready? Do you really need to buy a $2000 Daniel Defense if you want something better than a range toy?
You can always get a FN upper with a stripped lower. That’s cheaper than $2k
Also, anything less than a 20’’ barrel is manlet range
No. You pretty much just need a quality barrel and bcg. If your upper and lower just fit together you'll be fine.
IF shit really hit the fan, you'll be more likely to get shot by a PSA than hit by lightning. There is just so many videos out there stress testing PSA's pass 5k rounds but can't find anything on KAC/LMT, you know the OPER8TOR tier!
Just get one of those PSA uppers with an FN barrel if you go that route. The real king of the AR world are upper-mid level dealers who pump out enough that there’s a ton of testing, but not so many that the QC is questionable.
So BCM and FN?
No, PSA and FN. Same shit, cost less.
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with PSA parts, but I've seen enough horror stories that I'm pretty sure they have actually monkeys screwing the parts together.
Most of the times if you order something assembled you want to give it a once over because they pump out so fricking many. Nothing wrong (typically) with the actual parts, it’s usually assembly you have to check for.
My PSA was frick I sent it back and they fixed it.
There’s a few other companies but pretty much. Quality is quality.
Needs a good barrel and good bcg, then at least properly specced everything else.
Is a nitride barrel "good enough"? Or is anything less than a chrome lined, cold hammer forged barrel a range toy?
Doesn't matter. Things like nitride or chrome lining extend the life of a barrel in rapid fire situations. Even a cheapass barrel will last 10's of thousands of rounds.
And the funny thing is that for all the memeing /k/ does about muh chrome lining...the best match grade barrels that competitors use...those don't have any kind of bore lining at all.
CHF and CL are memes for paypigs
PSA gave Battlefield Vegas 2 of their GF3 AK's, with nitrided barrels. Both were converted to full-auto, at least one was placed in rental rotation. The PSA made it to 17k rounds before the nitrided barrel started keyholing. The CL-CHF WASR's they have used for years are still going strong with over 40k each last I checked.
The average shooter will not wear out a well nitrided barrel short of completely abusing the rifle, but there is a tangible difference in longevity. My PSA premium upper was $150 more than the premium nitride version, well worth it for exceptionally better longevity on the one AR I don't use as a precision rifle.
what duty are you doing exactly
youre not a fricking cop
you will never shoot anything but paper or some animal
it has to not be junk, that is all.
As much as I like high-end guns and all of my ARs have some gucci parts in them I don't see any issue with a PSA if your goal is simply to have a weapon for defense.
Buy one, inspect it, shoot the piss out of it. It will probably work just fine. If it doesn't then identify the issue and correct it. Once you've verified the gun works it doesn't matter what rollmark is on it.
morons that don't shoot and paid shills will tell you about how their "jUsTaSg00d" shit is a better buy than something that costs more. Don't listen. You don't necessarily have to spend a lot of money, but there are critical things that you look for in a reliable rifle versus a shit rifle. A shit tier rifle will function for a while, but can shut down on you when you need it the most. There are also expensive ARs that are indeed overpriced shit for what you're getting. Key critical components are:
>quality barrel, ideally chrome lined but not absolutely necessary.
>quality bolt and carrier that have properly staked hardware and are in-spec and follow TDP
>in spec upper and lower receivers
>quality springs and detents in your lower
>properly torqued and staked castle nut on receiver extension
That's basically what you NEED for a reliable AR/M4 rifle. Everything else is secondary and just peripherals for your preferred use. You CAN get something like a PSA that functions fine, but a lot of their bottom of the barrel shit is out of spec somewhere. On a rifle that you can basically piece together over time on a budget little by little with actually quality shit, I don't know why anybody would want to do that except somebody with super high time preference. If you're on a budget, I'd recommend something like the following:
>Aero Lower with BCM upper
>Aero complete rifle made from one of their uppers and lowers
>S&W M&P sport used/on sale (one with a properly pinned on gas block/A2 FSP, inspect staking on BCG, replace if necessary with toolcraft)
>used good condition Colt 6920 (don't spend more than 1100).
Something like above you can buy with confidence. If you want to spend a little more money on something that's quality, something like a BCM complete rifle, Colt (old Colt, not nu-Colt), LWRC, etc are all good. I'd not buy a complete Daniel Defense rifle, but I'd definitely buy a sale upper (Brownells has a sale right now on M4A1 uppers).
>staked castle nut
That's a meme
>staking your castle nut
>having a castle nut
ngmi
>in spec upper and lower receivers
LMT confirm shit rifles, PSA bros we just stay winning
LMT is good af, but every company makes Friday rifles. Anybody reading this thread should check out School of the American Rifle youtube channel if you want to go into some serious AR autism in-terms of taking rando parts from everything low to high end and show what is acceptable and what is not in terms of spec.
>meme
It's only a meme if you don't shoot. They will walk out if they are not properly installed and staked. I'm not one of those people who go into great lengths to get the perfect stake-job that looks pretty, but it needs to be done on anything you will use to defend your life with.
Shut up homosexual, my PWS ratchet nut hasn't backed out and SOTAR is an autistic homosexual like you. You don't need in spec parts for a gun to go bang homosexual, it only needs to go bang becayse at the end of the day it don't matte if you spend a grand on a proof research barrel, a in-house nitrided PSA barrel will be just as good.
>You don't need in spec parts for a gun to go bang homosexual
This is the only thing out of your post that is true. You don't need in-spec parts for a gun to go bang, and that's how forgiving a design the AR is. How long will it go bang for? Will it cycle at least a few cases of ammo before it shits the bed? I'd say if you literally only want a bare-minimum rifle for home defense that you'll shoot a maximum of 500 rounds a year, never take to a carbine class or to a rifle match, etc and you're a broke ass motherfricker that just needs something to cycle at least a magazine worth of ammo when Jamal and his homies come into your house for your stuff, sure, buy the trash Daily Deals special. To say it's "just as good" is to say a Chevrolet Sonic is as good as a Toyota Corolla. They both do the same thing and when brand new they'll both do it equally about as good for that brief period of time. But if you use it often and for long enough, you'll see they are absolutely not the same. In the world of cars and guns both, you get exactly what you pay for. homosexual.
What is the cheapest AR (or complete upper) that meets those higher standards?
Psa
Not him but aero.
..and if you look to your left you’ll seem some gucci cope
>my PWS ratchet nut hasn't backed out
Mine did, things a piece of shit. bought two, one was too fricked to install due to machining problems, second one was "fine" but backed off after a few range trips. You know what has never failed me? A basic castle nut and taking five seconds to stake it.
I had an lmt upper that I got from that brownells discount sale a few years ago.
The upper they sent me, the front detent ear( don’t know what it’s called) was so out of spec and thin that the rifle upper would literally cant side to side. I could hold the lower still and I could move the upper in about a 30 degree arc left and right like a turret.
LMT replaced it directly free of charge.
The replacement locked up TIGHT to the lower and was nice.
I like LMT.
So LMT has QC issues.
Likely all of the brownells sale uppers were factory seconds but this one somehow slipped through the cracks by the brownells people.
I don’t even know if LMT was obligated to do anything about it since I bought it from brownells but they replaced it with an upper straight out of their facility no questions asked.
Colt is the same as they've always been, good luck finding any difference between an LE and CR6920
I'm gonna need a citation for that, broham. I hear they aren't even made in hartford anymore, and all other parts are subbed out to other companies.
Aero.
Bitter poorgay who can't save for a few months by cancelling his BLACKED and Netflix subscriptions for a few months just to get something worth having. I don't care what you use anon, it's not my life. But to call me a liar is bullshit. At least a S&W M&P is much more consistent in giving reliable service. PSA is the fricking dollar general of gunshit.
I always thought this photo was funny because you have to photoshop your straw man in. That being said, post body homosexual.
cope and seeth, troony, cope and seeth.
>post body homosexual.
>I might be a poor moron, but you might be fat
Is this truly the best you can cope?
Ching chong lil dong ill beat yo ass like donkey kong riceboy cracka PSA is ok u just mad cuz u overspent on a name
You are a daughterfricking fudd liar.
Pretty much any ol' DI ar will be just fine, just get one, read the disassembly/reassembly pamphlet clean and lube, then shoot around 500 rounds through it to break it in good, disassemble clean and lube. Gtg.
>buy cheapo AR
>end up replacing every part of it over the next year
No.
-nothing is broken
-you know it will go bang
-you can hit your target
so, a tested psa with a cheap red dot will be good for most everybody.
*****troll line*******
thousands of rounds, no malfunctions, still running stock internals except for trigger and buffer weight. you don't have to spend a fortune/
>AR
>reliable
Mega kek. Pic related : reliAKble
Honestly, paying for something better than Aero is a vanity project. Nothing you do will ever be worth any vanishing improvement in performance after that. But get a good optic on it.
I tend to agree as long as you get a good barrel/gas system first.
Mostly agreed, but I do think it's worth getting a better BCG. There's some autist with a list of Aero parts failures he found online and a huge chunk of it is the bolt falling apart.
Dude same thing with BCA and PSA, 99% of them were for non 5.56/.223 and .308. The 1% was just autistic shit that didn't affect function.
battlefield vegas uses daniel defense bolts and barrels
as soon as you throw the word duty around colt and FN are your answer.
i just built my own. As long as you have a good upper, barrel and BCG, you're good to go.
Bonus: A good optic will go a long way
Optics are super tricky though, for some reason the most expensive isn't exactly the best. This is why I always open my arms to embrace the chinks they bring companies who have ridden their coat talks for far too long into reality.
My general rule of thumb for optics is to never spend less than like $600. My AEMS is cool, but because my gun is a 15.7", I'm thinking of getting an LPVO.
I think your optic should be determined by the length of your barrel.
Why is there a constant need to have threads asking about DD ARs?
If your a turbo autist concerned about min/maxing for your money spent, build your own.
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Honestly not much if you stick with the original "M16-Style" design. Rifle length gas system, fixed handguard and fixed stock eliminate almost all common failure points of an ar. The bolt and all its parts hold much longer because of the lower pressure, gas block is pinned and cant come loose, no castle nut to stake or come loose. you still need quality parts of course, but its not that important since the whole system is more stable and reliable.