Okay, okay, hear me out...

Modern handgun in 7.62x25mm Tokarev.
Why/why not?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Chinks do it with a sig copy. Just got to canada bro. Oh wait.
    Captcha: PNTRW

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it was never good.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nonsense. It has great effects on soft targets, and it's much better than 9mm against hard targets (and Kevlar).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It under performs on soft targets to even 9mm.
        It is hot fucking garbage, enough with the copium slavbo

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        SAYS FUCKING WHO?

        there is literally zero JHP selection for 7.62x25mm moronov

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's not true:
          https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/ppu-defensive-line-762x25mm-tokarev-jhp-85-grain-50-rounds?a=2078143
          JHP at 1600 fps from a handgun. Very deadly. Very good choice.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I see it's not for sale and have seen zero proof of it actually doing 1600 fps.

            so still zero.

            >very deadly
            >very good choice
            so how many people have you shot with it? where is the data? Are you just assuming that it is deadly because it's a JHP and going 1600 fps?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The chinks make pic related for leafistani sales but it just comes down to 7.62x25 not being dirt ass cheap anymore here

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This looks hi point tier.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >t. Blind
        It's just a knockoff sig, no worse than the serb and turk ones

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think a pdw in the caliber would make sense with a modern loading and projectile design. If you have that, then it would make sense.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    .357 Sig is a better version of the same concept and it doesn't really get any support, either. 9mm is just too dominant for anything newer to take some market share. It's why .30 Super Carry may fail unless it can carve out a niche.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      .38 Super is better.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Almost anything is better than 7.62 tok
        But 38 super is just shittier 9mm+p

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Almost anything is better than 7.62 tok
        But 38 super is just shittier 9mm+p

        Orale guey!
        >corridos begins in the background
        >https://youtube.com/shorts/cVsGLDhTYeg?feature=share

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          One day I will own a 1911 in 38 super and cerakote it gold and it will be the gun I offer as tribute to the cartel when they take over my town

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >super light bullet at ~357 mag velocities
    No wonder it does worse than even 9mm lol, what hot garbage why are you shilling fo this?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did they even make anything that wasn't FMJ? Zipping a 7.62 bullet clean through someone at 1500fps seems like such a waste of that velocity, especially given how rarely people shoot anything past 40y with pistols.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, they make hollow points.
      Everybody hating on the Tok is probably a fed shill (who hate it because it can easily pen Kevlar) or a boomer (who hate it because muh communist bullet). It's better than 9mm in literally every way.

      >in 5 tests of bare 10% BG
      >1 load ice picked through 40" of gel
      >1 load all rounds failed to meet minimum penetration
      >the other 3 loads the max penetrstion never exceed 13.5"
      Jesus christ its hot garbage.

      What rounds were they testing and how? Are you hallucinating this?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's better than 9mm in literally every way.
        Except being offered in a variety of modern day service pistols, anyway.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sure but the problem is that long cartridges suck in small guns and it'll have to compete with 5.7 guns.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >in 5 tests of bare 10% BG
    >1 load ice picked through 40" of gel
    >1 load all rounds failed to meet minimum penetration
    >the other 3 loads the max penetrstion never exceed 13.5"
    Jesus christ its hot garbage.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's not good.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based off of the C96 round.
    It’s been antiquated for decades.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tok is a 3rd gen borchardt derived cartridge.
      Guess what the fuck else is?
      That’s right, 357 luger. In fact, Tok was “designed” in 1929, whereas worst parabellum started production in 1901.

      Retard.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I guess people still manufacture tok ammo? At a guess, the round isn't necessarily more powerful nor more available/cheap than 9mm?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tokarev ammo is still made commercially yes, including Winchester and S&B.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's pretty much what 9x25mm Dillon is.
    It's a Hispanicy meat-a-ball, I think underwood makes some loads with those screwdriver bullets and they are pretty violent.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      picrelated, 90gr projo:
      >This bullet leaves the barrel at 2000 feet per second.
      >The muzzle energy of this ammo is 799 ft lbs.
      Some fucking hot shit for sure.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      picrelated, 90gr projo:
      >This bullet leaves the barrel at 2000 feet per second.
      >The muzzle energy of this ammo is 799 ft lbs.
      Some fucking hot shit for sure.

      fucking forgot picrelated

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    9x25 Dillon is better outside of cost. If you reload, it's worlds cheaper with 9mm projectiles.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you don't reload, though, it's tough to find the ammo.
      Tokarev bullets are everywhere from old surplus, and S&B and PPU (among others) still make them.
      Also, the tok isn't quite as overpowered. So less recoil, etc.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >less recoil
        I will agree that it's a reloader's cartridge, but using a comp like Dillon intended turns a 9x25 Glock 40 into a .380.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fuck I wish I had a reason to buy a .22 tcm but it seems abandoned by the manufacturer

      9x25 dillon seems real impressive but does it come in non glocks?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fucking take the plunge man. Its a great gun. Reloads are easy. Check with Ammo Supply Warehoue for bullets...

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are a couple, like this Vietnam double stack tokarev. And there's this one company that makes 7.62x25mm ar-15 parts

    • 2 weeks ago
      Mandic
  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Too hot, now why there's never been any carbines chambered for it is a mystery to me.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn’t zastava still make tokarevs?

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd rather see 30 luger make a comeback. All it would take to convert a 9 luger gun to 30 luger is a barrel change. All critical dimensions concerning the case body and casehead are almost the same.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > much weaker
      > nobody makes ammo for it

      Tok is a 3rd gen borchardt derived cartridge.
      Guess what the fuck else is?
      That’s right, 357 luger. In fact, Tok was “designed” in 1929, whereas worst parabellum started production in 1901.

      Retard.

      I swear, man, it's boomers.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why not?
        Because the COAL is very long, meaning it does not fit in standard 9mm Luger-sized pistols nor larger .45 ACP-sized handguns. Together, these two form factors cover more than 90% of the handgun market, meaning there's no handgun out there that it can easily slot into.
        Then there's the problem of it being a bottlenecked cartridge: conventional handgun wisdom says bigger boolit = better boolit, so necked down cartridges with their smaller bullet aren't as good and struggle to gain market acceptance.
        If you wanted a modern handgun in a .30 cal bottlenecked pistol cartridge, I would start out with a parent cartridge slightly larger than 9mm Luger, let's say 10mm, then neck that down to roughly .30 cal. I think it would be a very niche product.

        .30 Luger is only weaker because the originals could not hold more power, a modern +P loading would be about as powerful as 9mm Luger. Nobody makes ammo for it, but it's easy to reload for given the plentiful nature of 9mm Luger brass and .30 cal projectiles.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bigger bullet means more hurt. Bigger bullet means more energy at same pressure and barrel length. Advantages of smaller bullet are flat shooting, low bullet weight, barrier penetration (sometimes) but that's really not important for handguns. In short, handgun cartridges should never be necked down. And none of the popular handgun cartridges are, for good reasons.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bigger bullet means more energy at same pressure and barrel length.
      Bigger bullet means more pressure for a given powder charge, therefore, as to not exceed maximum pressure limits, they required a reduced powder charge and as such may end up with less pressure.
      >In short, handgun cartridges should never be necked down.
      Unless the purpose is not the same as most handguns, such as armor penetration (where more velocity and lower surface area both help) or handgun hunting (where you want a flat trajectory to compensate somewhat for the lack of accuracy).
      Except for the popularity of .357 SIG, you are mostly right: almost none of the popular, conventional handgun cartridges are bottlenecked.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly. Part of the reason why 9x19mm generally has significantly less muzzle energy than 7.62x25mm.
        Seems to me that 7.62 Tok would be a banger of a PDW round, and might work pretty darn well in handguns, particularly with JHP or frangible rounds.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Part of the reason why 9x19mm generally has significantly less muzzle energy than 7.62x25mm.
          7.62x25 has way more powder space.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You shouldn't compare 9x19 to 7.62x25, you should be comparing it to it's parent cartridge 7.62x21 (AKA .30 Luger).

          >Bigger bullet means more pressure for a given powder charge
          ... what? Bigger barrel means the gas has more space to expand, which means lower pressure with the same charge. Or conversely, more powder (=more energy) at the same pressure. That a bigger barrel means more energy at the same pressure is simple physics (F=P*A).
          I was about to write that necked down cartridges have value in niches, but went with the stronger statement instead. 357SIG may have applications, but it is not exactly popular. (Oh, and handgun hunting is nonsense. Use a rifle you fucks.)

          >Bigger barrel means the gas has more space to expand, which means lower pressure with the same charge.
          Hang on, I think we're confusing each other here (my bad, probably). I thought about bigger as in heavier, which very much does increase pressure, meaning you can use less powder (think 158 vs 240 grain .357 Magnum as an example) and thus end up with less power.
          You're thinking of bigger as in bigger diameter, which was the original point. However, that size difference really does not reduce the pressure that much: remember, it's all ''capped'' by the inertia of the bullet. The piston effect (larger surface area equals more force) is what dictates this.

          >handgun hunting is nonsense
          Kind agree, but handgun silhouette is fun as fuck.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Bigger bullet means more pressure for a given powder charge
        ... what? Bigger barrel means the gas has more space to expand, which means lower pressure with the same charge. Or conversely, more powder (=more energy) at the same pressure. That a bigger barrel means more energy at the same pressure is simple physics (F=P*A).
        I was about to write that necked down cartridges have value in niches, but went with the stronger statement instead. 357SIG may have applications, but it is not exactly popular. (Oh, and handgun hunting is nonsense. Use a rifle you fucks.)

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >357SIG
          Tokarev is just better than .357 Nig and 7.5 FKBRNO. Those are derivative and "proprietary" copycat cartridges that don't offer huge benefits, but carry a huge markup.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >handgun hunting is nonsense
    Even if this is true, 7.62 Tok is a better self-defense cartridge for going innawoods. Still not great, but better than 9mm.

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