ok so pretend im a retad for a second

what the frick exactly do red dot sights & laser sights "do" that makes them better than iron sights?
i mean the purpose of a sight is just to line up the barrel with the target, no? why does there have to be a fancy laser or holographic projection involved

i genuinely dont get it

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It got them electrolyted

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They're just much faster than irons because sight alignment becomes irrelevant. They're also way better for low light, night vision use, and mixed lighting. These days, they're cheap enough that it's hard to justify not having them on non historical builds.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      its just easier and more convienent than irons

      lot faster to put a bright red dot on the target than lining up iron sights

      bro i must be braindamaged because i dont see what u guys mean
      how is it faster? LOOK through the scope or whatever, align the motherfricking thing on the motherufcking target?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The dot moves around in the reticle based on where you aim, it doesn't just stay in the middle. High quality red dots will maintain point of aim everywhere the dot goes, so you can take a snapshot with the dot to one side of your reticle and it will aim true if the dot is over your target.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        yeah, severe brain damage and acute homosexualry disorder is what you have. stfu and jump off a bridge if you're going to be this stupid.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It just is faster, if you doubt me, just get an ACOG, a red dot, and iron sights then time yourself for close range shooting. Very obvious for close range targets when we did qualification in the Army.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Done that before. It's why the questions being asked. I was abysmally slower with a red dot than I was with irons.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Well no one else out there is like that, maybe you have really severe astigmatism or something.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I could see it, it was chasing the dot that held me up. Had to hold the gun just perfect with my head at a precise distance from the optic for the dot to stop hiding in the edge of the FOV.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not that anon, but hunting for the dot usually happens when the optic wasn't positioned correctly. Either the height relative to the comb of the stock was wrong (mount too high or too low) or the distance from your eye was wrong (too far forward or back).

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That doesn't sound like a plus for the red dot to be honest. Anyone can pick up a random gun with a set of zeroed irons and have it perform consistently whereas one anon may be trash with another anons gun with a red dot because it's not specifically set up for him.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Anyone can pick up a random gun with a set of zeroed irons and have it perform consistently
                People can't even agree what the sight picture is supposed to look like.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Idk how being farther away from iron closer to a red dot affects anything

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                That doesn't sound like a plus for the red dot to be honest. Anyone can pick up a random gun with a set of zeroed irons and have it perform consistently whereas one anon may be trash with another anons gun with a red dot because it's not specifically set up for him.

                Hunting for a dot on the pistol is a lack of training.
                Hunting for a dot on a rifle can occur in extremely low lighting conditions, with a small dot mounted high. Think of an aimpoint micro mounted high in the dark but you dont' have your night vision. It's still largely a training issue.
                Once you have your muscle memory in place, you no longer look for the dot, it's just there.

                There's another issue that often is over looked and that is focal plane. You do not look at the dot. You look at the target. With pistols it is not incorrect to look at your front sight but with a red dot, that will frick you up. On a pistol the rear sights move with the front sight as you sway and wobble. So you don't see it. You think you hold them steady. You don't. With a red dot, all those little movements are on full display. You can't stop them and if you look at the dot, you're not only doing it wrong but you'll find yourself trying to control it which isn't good. Look at the target instead. This has a number of advantages anyway, more accurate target acquisition and situational awareness including a reduced likelihood of tunnel vision since both eyes are fully opened and relaxed. For this reason, it's also better for older people with poorer eyesight.
                I resisted red dots for a long time, having put countless hours and rounds into training on irons but the truth is, you should have both on your gun.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Irons or magnified glass. No electric devilry on my guns.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Eh, I have acogs on my rifles; fully on the prism bandwagon but you sound like you're making more of a religious argument than a practical one.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I bet you use polymer too.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Well that settles it. He's a dingus

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yep literal morons and a waste of trips. Hope your NCO can square you away but I bet you're the platoon frickup anyway

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Because you had practice with iron sights and zero with a red dot, duh. It does take some practice to have the dot always visible in the glass, but much less than getting a perfect sight picture with irons without time-consuming adjustments.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Looks like nobody really mentioned this, but did you shoot red dot with one eye closed?

            If so, you're doing it wrong and that's why it was awkward and slow.

            Red to is shot both eyes opened, you just look at the target and the dot is superimposed over it. Shoot when the dot floats over the bullseye and you're good.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Iron sights have to be aligned with eachother AND the target. A red dot is just a dot. See how one is plural and the other isn't Iron SightS. Red Dot. Get it now? Fricking idiot.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        bright red dot vs flat grey or black metal you need to align
        give one a try and you will see

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You have to align 3 planes with iron sights - rear, front and target. Even a small misaligment in iron sights will result in non-negligible shift in point of impact. Plus you need to focus on the front sight, making it harder to pay attention to the target.

        With red dots you only have to align 2 planes and you can focus on the target entirely. Imagine it as iron sights that are always 100% aligned and you don't have to spend time making sure the two pieces of metal are even.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          woah that literally sounds like magic

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            it's optics

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not one of the anons you responded to but I'm not sure what you're having issues understanding. For irons you have to allign two pieces of metal with each other and the target, with a red dot you just put the dot on the target and fire. This introduces a lot of variables that get in the way of accuracy, and it gets significantly harder to do so under less than ideal conditions. I've had some bad experiences with optics when hunting (namely their habit of fogging up in rainy conditions) but an optic is still a much better solution than irons when they work correctly by a longshot.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Let me put it this way.
        No one that I gave an iron sights gun to was able to hit a man sized target at 100yards with a full magazine. With that in mind, everyone I gave a firearm with a red dot sight on it, was able to hit a man sized target within the first 3 rounds.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          So you don't know how to zero a gun with iron sights?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            No you fricking moron, it means that irons have a huge wall of a learning curve, you wiener sucker. Why would I have trouble hitting things with my own sighted guns? I specifically said, guns I gave to people.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              the army teaches sub-90 IQ teenagers to do it in about 2 hours and that includes marching to the range and yelling the names of the parts to your rifle

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >to do it in about 2 hours
                Wow! What a weird round about way to agree with me. That irons take time, while RDS are pick up and go. Any other high intellectual thoughts you're hiding in there?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Hint:
                >PROTIP
                they don't give the child morons optics because it doesn't help
                you still don't know how to zero a gun with iron sights prove me wrong

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Did you think people aim like in vidya?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >i must be braindamaged
        True!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        IF THE DOT IS ON THE TARGET IT HITS ... SHRIMPLE AS, NO NEED TO BREATH RELAX AIM AND SQWEEZE

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >They're just much faster than irons
      Ona handgun they are MARGINALLY faster to acquire a sight picture and thus are only really useful for competition shooters that have already minmaxed their gains
      on a rifle lasers allow for easier point shooting and red dots are better in the mid range (50-150 yds you can get away with more slop as you swing it around, but except for competitions and very specialized uses they are ultimately a cope marketed to wannabe larper8ors so they can feel tuff and kewl

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Lasers have very limited advantage over anything and are not very popular for that reason.

        I'm glad you mentioned distances though, beyond 25 yards, a red dot is absolutely more accurate than a combat sight picture with handgun irons, the front post otherwise obscuring your entire target. Yes I realize most people cant' hit shit past 10 yards anyway but a lot of us can group at 50 yards.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The dot doesn't have to be in the exact center of the reticle to make an accurate shot, so you can be moving around and make faster accurate shots

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    its just easier and more convienent than irons

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the thing i particularly dont get is that everyone i've asked says
    >well laser sights actually point a laser from the sight to the target giving you """better target acquisition"""
    but why the frick does that matter?
    if i align a red dot sight or even an iron sight on my target, you could just as well draw a straight line from that point to the target just like a laser. Like its the same fricking thing as if i just use my eyes to align the sight since im looking through it from the same point anyway

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    lot faster to put a bright red dot on the target than lining up iron sights

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Need to find the dot first. Not as big of an issue with a rifle as it is with pistols though.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >faster sight picture because you don't have to line up two pieces of metal exactly right, just put one dot where you want the shots at
    >more accurate for the same reason
    >doesn't obscure the target nearly as much, especially important when shooting at longer range
    >can be used with a maginifier, holo will keep its size when maginified
    >can be used with night vision, not ideal but way better than with iron sights

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    cost more, use more parts, and thus employ more workers to make them. If you insist on iron sights only you are a communist that hates the working man

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    -They are faster because you are only aligning two objects (the dot and the target) instead of three as with iron sights (front sight, rear sight, target).
    -The illuminated dot is easier to see. Shooting with iron sights or a non-illuminated optic in low light can be difficult because you can't see the sights or the reticle.
    -With a laser you don't even have to look down the sight, you can shoot from the hip or any other position if you had to.
    -They look cool, like those in my favorite video games and action movies.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >dot sights
    Biggest thing is that in poor lighting conditions, you can see them MUCH better.
    Also allows for 1 focal plane, as you look at the target, not your sight.
    Also, quicker target acquisition.
    Also, requires less focus/skill on sight alignment.

    >laser sights
    Allows shooting in awkward unorthodox position, think cqc laying down around a corner for example, where it would be difficult to align the weapon with your eye.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    1. Do you understand the implications of a collimated gun sight?
    2. If you do, then you can understand why having to only manage two planes (dot + target) is both more precise and simpler than managing 3 planes (rear + fsp + target) when you're trying to juggle a bunch of shit all happening at once.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You only have to line up the dot and the target rather than doing 2 sights + the target, and red dots etc. block less of your view of the target than iron sights.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    easier to comprehend and more forgiving of subpar form.there's less shit in the way too.
    essentialy people are too moronic for irons.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >what the frick exactly do red dot sights & laser sights "do" that makes them better than iron sights?
    In the current year, they are superior in literally every single way, in every situation. All of them. Yes, even that one.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >ok so pretend im a retad for a second
    I don't need to pretend.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >illuminated so you can see it against dark backgrounds
    >can use with night vision
    >allows target focused aiming
    >obscures less of the target than iron sights allowing greater situational awareness
    >creates a finer aiming point than a front sight post
    >faster to get on target
    >infinite eye relief
    >allows precise aiming from any angle due to lack of parallax, you don't have to have your eye glued to a rear sight and can shoot in unconventional positions and around cover

    >what does it do better
    Literally everything a sight can do better, it does better.

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I use them with my night vision goggles
    it's fricking based, poorgays wouldn't get it

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    here is a simple thing

    imagine you aim at the head of something

    using iron sight you will not see what he is doing with the rest of the body.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They're moronic on handguns despite all the shilling. For someone who can actually quickdraw and point shoot it would be a drawback for the former and pointless for the latter.
    On rifles, sure.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >For someone who can actually quickdraw and point shoot

      try that shit at uspsa and see how well you do.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I study true gunfighters such as pic related and incorporate their techniques

        wrong, refer to [...]
        also, 50-100yd shots become a lot easier with a dot

        What the frick does that have to do with what I posted?
        'Easier' is the keyword of your post, the path of least resistance masquerading as 'pragmaticism'

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >i dont put my skills to the test so i don't have to come to the conclusion that my super cool dick tracy larp is actually stupid
          >anyone who tells me to accurately hit something past five yards is a manchild

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I could make up shit about yourself too but I'd rather not waste my time on drivel.

            The Spartans were elite soldiers for their time and place but the world has moved on from fighting with spears and shields

            If you think a nu-shooter could deal with someone such as Jelly Bryce (the man in pic related from earlier) or someone rigorously trained in his methods then you're kidding yourself.

            >What the frick does that have to do with what I posted?
            you said pistol dots are moronic, but you cannot shoot a pistol under nods without a dot
            that's how it's relevant moron

            If true then fair, I don't bother with that stuff myself.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >rigorously trained in his methods

              like what. name one method

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Apologies for the late response, but here are FBi training videos with Jelly Bryce's input. He is featured in it as well.

                It does not comprise just a single stance/technique or a hodgepodge cobbled together. Note the emphasis on maintaining the same principles whether crouched/prone/bladed/etc. or shooting from hip and shoulder point.

                This is a well-formed 'style' that is adaptable yet maintains consistent principles underlying the variety of techniques which helps with training for a variety of scenarios.

                Compare with how people are taught or learn techniques independently then try to mash them together without an underlying foundation. This is the biggest problem I observe in modern learning/training methods not just in shooting or martial arts but all sorts of professions.

                It is what Bruce Lee meant when he spoke of practicing one kick a thousand times vs a thousand kicks one time. Bryce's shooting doctrine maintains the same drawing and maneuvering principles while being adaptable for a variety of situations.

                His shooting methods require not just intensive mechanical training but understanding of those principles to maximize one's mastery. This philosophy is shared between him and all warriors of renown who shared their knowledge.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              The average nu-shooter? Maybe, but probably not. The man was a born warrior. But, another born warrior using better equipment and updated training? Sure, absolutely.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          The Spartans were elite soldiers for their time and place but the world has moved on from fighting with spears and shields

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            *blocks your path*

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Okay. You got me. We have shields, too, now that I think about it.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/VLyqvRr.jpg

            *blocks your path*

            War never changes

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >What the frick does that have to do with what I posted?
          you said pistol dots are moronic, but you cannot shoot a pistol under nods without a dot
          that's how it's relevant moron

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      wrong, refer to

      I use them with my night vision goggles
      it's fricking based, poorgays wouldn't get it

      also, 50-100yd shots become a lot easier with a dot

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >its another 'pretending to be moronic' slide thread

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Red dots are worse
    >iron sight is two sights
    >red dot is one
    >two sights ensure better accuracy than one sight, like measuring twice

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Lasers anon. Now do you get it?

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >retad
    Don't you mean "retahd"?

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Can’t be assed to read the whole thread but with a lot of dots it’s easier to keep both eyes open and have the dot kinda hover in your field of vision like an illusion that you can paint over a target while maintaining awareness. From my own experience you can do that with irons but it fatigues your eyes faster because like another anon said you have more planes of alignment. Also with my aimpoint I can close the glass cover and rely on this without any kind of scope glint. While still ringing steel at distance rapidly with both eyes open.

    “Like magic”

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >im a retad
    checks out.

    QTDDTOT: Do dots with the quick on-off feature have to be re-zeroed each time they go back on the rail?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      no that feature has no bearing on whether an optic holds zero

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on how well it's made. Some retain zero some don't.

      no that feature has no bearing on whether an optic holds zero

      read it again it doesn't mean what you think

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Put red dot on target pull trigger
    vs.
    line up rear notch with front post...miss because the post was a centimeter off to the left

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Red dots are a gimmick, laser sights are at least good for hip shooting

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Bruce Lee

    I miss the little guy like you wouldn't believe.

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