Seems like a convenient way to switch between close and long range shooting. The scope can be adjusted at range, but the offset red dot or irons allows immediate aiming at close to medium ranges.
I've seen it used by police officers using the .223 AR, but am considering it alongside a variable optic for a hog hunting AR in .308. The offset irons are very cheap, but the red dot is easier to aim with.
Does anyone here use an offset optic along with a scope? It probably takes some practice to get used to. Some prefer to put the optic on the scope or have irons on the scope.
The main issue is being able to conveniently and reliably aim a scoped rifle at close ranges, and the offset red dot is proven and seemingly the best way of doing this.
Piggyback dots are better
>Piggyback dots
Seems to be about the same, but don't need to twist the rifle 45 degrees.
No you just have to raise your head a stupid amount, much better.
This
Also they look stupid as fuck
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The only instance where piggybacked dots beat offset dots is passive shooting with nods. You might also shave a couple ounces with piggybacking over a separate offset mount I guess.
But tilting the rifle slightly is always going to be faster and more intuitive than breaking your cheekweld to change your head position.
>rotate 45°
The Arisaka offset mount (and I'm sure many others) let you choose between a 45° offset and a 33° offset.
Neither of which is actually that much in practice but I prefer 33° to 45°
>The only instance where piggybacked dots beat offset dots is passive shooting with nods.
And shooting left handed, which is a must for actual combat use
The 4 years I was kicking doors and in all the combat footage I have ever seen I have never actually seen someone switch shoulders during combat.
It's pure range theatrics thearywanking.
Shooting with NODs and a bipod
Piggyback is also better when using higher magnification optics. You and use the red to to point to a target then switch to the optic.
For me, it’s gotta be the most iconic version of this setup.
Off set red dot will never be accurate past 25 yards and maybe that's fine since you have the scope.
Consider bullet drop and sight in distance. The bullet arcs up to the sight in and then drops as it goes further out. It does not arc left to right if the sight is directly over the barrel. That is why long range bullseye shooters have actual levels on their rifles and part of why a proper scope install is important.
Now consider a red dot, offset and you're pivoting the gun around to use it. The chances of you consistently holding the red dot over the barrel are about zero. Ergo where you've sighted the bullet in to arc up to that sight in distance but now some of that upward vector is replaced with a sideways vector and vice versa. You end up with a series of errors that taken together over multiple shots for a pattern something like a frown through the target. It is not suitable for accurate shots past, I would argue as little as 25 yards.
If you're using a high powered scope that isn't really usable inside of 100 yards, then you have a necessitated the use of an inaccurate red dot in the ranges around 70 yards or so.
Solutions:
Pair a off center red dot with an optic that is still usable for fighting as close as 50 yards, such as a 3x9. That way you can use the 3x for distances further than inside a house but closer than an open field.
Alternatively, use a piggy back set up like which has it's own drawbacks.
What is the meta on offset mounts like this? Would a 407c be a good red dot for this?
Anything you can sight in. A basic set of irons works, it just attaches to the rails. Some scopes have irons built in the top as well.
I have an lpvo and I really liked shooting offset reddots on other guns.
Just trying to figure out what is the best red dot for this and the best mount within a reasonable price range.
Arisaka offset is fairly cheap and well regarded.
Offset mounts are shit and the only dots worth piggybacking are the rmr, rcr, and acro p2. But, we’ve already decided that lpvos are gay so make sure it’s on an Mpvo, acog or Elcan.
Back to /arg/ you humongous gay.
>the only dots worth piggybacking are the rmr, rcr,
That's not even out yet you collosal homo
CompM5
CompM5 and T2
Lucky for you there's recent footage to prove this is a good setup
This setup was used by a police officer in the USA in March, and now it is proven effective in organized warfare. We can now declare that the offset mounted red dot sight is an effective tool. Personally, I seek only to use it for hunting hogs. With larger calibers, or intermediate cartridges as well, a thermal optic can be paired with such an optic for night.
thats a magnifier with a red dot and an rmr. Theres no scope on that gun
it is a variable optic that is used as a scope when dialed in at range
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Yeah offset is the ideal way over piggyback. Either piggyback or offset dots are superior to offset irons. Really the only reason to use offset irons is a competition where optics are restricted by the rules.
I’m just an old boomer that still uses ACOG at close quarters (done a lot of local competitions that include kill houses and scenario shooting) and I am very used to it. But for somebody starting from scratch, even with the great for close quarters ACOG chevron, I still think learning with an offset red dot would be better.
The offset sight requires you to rotate the rifle 45 degrees, but it is also close to the receiver and does not require you to raise and expose your head. You can still use the stock to aim in this position. With a fully powered cartridge, this allows effective aiming at below 100 yards or up to 1,000 yards.
>With a fully powered cartridge, this allows effective aiming at below 100 yards or up to 1,000 yards
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The US Marines rate the 7.62x51 out to 1,000 yards, but a close range offset optic allows a battle rifle with a fully powered cartridge to be easily used at long or close ranges.
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The USMC considers the maximum effective range of the M240B for an area target to be 1200m on a tripod. For an area target off of a bipod, the M240B has a max effective range of 800m. Max effective ranges for a point target are 600m and 800m off of a bipod and tripod, respectively.
>exposing your head an extra 2 inches in a serious concern
What kind of hogs are you hunting, anon?
Your pic has it with an LPVO Anon so in that case I assume its not there for CQB since LPVOs do that. Which means its there for NVGs. Top mount is better for NVGs and its not even close. Pairing a red dot with an LPVO for close quarters defeats the point of the LPVO. If you really need it then you should have bought an ACOG instead of the LPVO.
It is not uncommon for people to leave LPVOs at full magnification and then use a red dot for close range.
1-4x LPVOs have the 4x which is a sweet spot for a combat magnification, and quality ones have good glass, objective size, reticles, and other desirable features.
The 1x setting on LPVOs, aside from requiring fiddling to switch to and from, is inferior to a red dot, especially when it’s being used for quick close up acquisition in less than ideal stances.
>It is not uncommon for people to leave LPVOs at full magnification and then use a red dot for close range.
not uncommon, but it is stupid. You could save weight and price by getting a fixed power scope, and it'll also be more durable
Ok, so I said that people do it. I never said it was optimal.
I just think that's completely missing the advantage of the LPVO. If you are only going to run it at mag magnification then just get a fixed power combat sight like an Acog.
Did I say anywhere that I personally advocate it?
Remember to put another dot on the other side to make it ambi.
I use the parallel mount from FCD. It's a 10 degree offset and mounts on the opposite side than an offset mount would be. I like it a lot and it basically feels like a traditional top mounted red dot.
an offset red dot on a rifle with an LPVO seems redundant to me. it makes more sense if your scope is a fixed power or an MPVO. A piggy backed red dot on an LPVO makes more sense to me if you're running NODs since LPVOs are trash under night vision.
>People buy LPVOs thinking they are do all optics
>Turns out not really, but the magnification is still pretty nice
>Buy a mini red dot
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they're adequate as do-all optics. But just adequate.
There's no parallax adjustment, and the glass quality tends to suck at higher magnifications on the 1-8 and 1-10 models so they're not great for long-range or very precise shots that you'd want the magnification for.
they're rarely as close to true 1x as a red dot, almost never have the brightness of a red dot, and never have the battery life of a red dot, so they also aren't great for close range work.
But they are better than an MPVO or fixed power scope at close range and better than a red dot + magnifier combo at long range if for no other reason than they usually have a BDC or a MIL/MOA reticle and more magnification.
They would be a good choice if you had to standardize an entire military on one optic regardless of the terrain they may be fighting in.
fell for the LPVO meme, now I just have a romeo 5 and holosun magnifier. Does the exact same fucking thing. Put the LPVO on a 30-06 lever gun, which I use for hunting as when you're shooting in the woods sometimes you want to dial up or down your magnification depending on if you're shooting 200 yards across a field or 50 yards in between some trees.
Even the magnifier is more so I can entertain myself on the range with longshots and less about actual practical uses. For an AR with defensive use in mind, there aren't many defensive situations where you're going to need to dial it up to 4x let alone 6x or 8x.
>Unless you live on a farm or something.
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I own a ta31 and an rmr but I can't bring myself to shell out the money to mount it on my acog
I have the cog so far back on my ar that I would basically be booping the rmr with my big schnoz(I'm not a garden gnome), or I could move the acog further forward and look through a straw
I have a t2+mag on my aug but that's not ideal either, it's just a lot of stuff for the capability it actually provides
I also have an lpvo that I bought in like 2016 but I think that it's ridiculous to use something so bulky esp. because I pretty much only ever use it on "1x" or 6x, and adding a red-dot to that makes it even bulkier
then you have offset dots, which seem cool, but also just add more shit to the gun that you may or may not need, and adds bulk in a direction that is generally relatively slim
then sometimes I think I should shell out for a elcan, but they are so damn expensive and a lot of people just don't really like them
I think the perfect option just doesn't exist and I should train more shooting with a 4x prism as closer ranges using the "bindon" thing
I’ve shot with a TA31 for (wow) close to 20 years now. Different optics in between, but my earliest TA31 was in the military and I did really get into it.
Shooting with it at close range is a skill issue but it is doable with moderate practice. I won’t claim it’s as fast as a red dot but I’d say like 80% as fast/accurate up close, and even past 50 yards the magnification is handy.
Technically speaking Bindon aiming is a different thing and close range you are doing occluded eye shooting, but the concepts are so interrelated I figured I’d just mention it without hopefully sperging out.
You have to tilt your gun into a retardedly uncomfortable position to use it. Mainly where your cheek/head goes just doesn't work right. Try tilting your rifle and looking down the side of it and you'll see what I mean, like where tf is your cheek supposed to go and how the hell are you really gonna line it up perfectly for accurate shots? It seems like tacticool crap, just mount one on top or cowitness. Why tf don't you just get an LPVO for that matter? This issue is already solved.
Pretty obvious you've never used one. Your cheek goes the same place as when you're using the primary optic. You know the top of AR buffer tube mounted stocks are cylindrical, right? They have the same profile when you tilt them slightly? And tilting it inboard sets your firing hand wrist at a more natural angle anyways, the whole thing is super comfy to use.
Just point shoot if your that close, its faster, more intuitive and easier under stress. You can get really accurate with practice as well. If you can shoot a bow rapidly without sights act close range you can definitely do the same with a rifle.
yeah
I shoot with a timer and it helps me measure practical usage of things. The use for it for me is up close and under NV.
>Does anyone here use an offset optic along with a scope? It probably takes some practice to get used to. Some prefer to put the optic on the scope or have irons on the scope.
Doesn't take a whole lot of practice except when wearing armor it's pretty difficult because of how the stock aligns with your body/gear.
>The main issue is being able to conveniently and reliably aim a scoped rifle at close ranges, and the offset red dot is proven and seemingly the best way of doing this.
It's slower than a normal red dot only set-up but it's still faster than being stuck at higher magnification.
The major drawbacks I've noticed
>alignment in shoulder while wearing armor
>unusual and pronounced snag point that can catch things and is more likely to break your optic than conventional mounting.
Compared to piggyback
>definitely consistently faster without armor whether getting on target or shooting strings. Shooting strings with chin weld of piggyback is significantly harder.
>When wearing armor they're pretty close for me personally but slight edge for me personally to canted (could be related to me having more time with it)
>don't have to worry about height over-bore ridiculous-Ness of piggyback. This is both a speed problem and exposing your body from cover issue.
>under NV I'm overly careful not to ding anything so don't have any good data for you
>canted is significantly more dangerous for your optic and slightly heavier
Overall, the snag/break point really kills the canted for me despite the speed differences to such an extent I'd be okay using either if given the choice.