Now that Wagner is out of munition, is the perfect time to make the counteroffensive here, what could be wrong? Right?
Now that Wagner is out of munition, is the perfect time to make the counteroffensive here, what could be wrong? Right?
Now that Wagner is out of munition, is the perfect time to make the counteroffensive here, what could be wrong? Right?
There are better options than Bakhmut. It would at best be a victory for morale or whatever.
assuming anyone believes their bluff
The sushi bar literally defenseless
>counteroffensive for Bakhmut
If Ukraine pushes anywhere it will be in the south to break the land connection to Crimea, I doubt we will see any pushes into Donetsk unless Russia starts redeploying troops away from there
what kind of ammunition is Prigozhin talking about? there are only urban battles there now, how can artillery work there?
Fucking CHRIST anon did you never play Scorched Earth????????
And who did you kill in your picture, the roof?
You think there's still a roof after a round of shelling?
It takes a lot of shells, but if you're willing to "KEEP FIRING ASSHOLES!" you will level the buildings to rubble, block by block. That's what Russia did in Grozny.
They just don't have enough ammo now to do it effectively, hence them trying to use TOS-1 and shit to make up the difference.
Wagner does need the ammo but Prigozhin is lying out of his ass when he says Wagner is leaving Bakhmut on the 10 of May.
What would Ukraine gain by attacking Bakhmut?
Bakhmut?
There's a neat rail loop in the area they could use for logistics to support the liberation of several doughnuts. It would humiliate the Russians and rout some of their better units (deconstituting the reconstituted VDV on the flanks in particular)
I think the main reason for Ukrainians defend Bakhmut is because they want to deny Russia any single kind of victory they can hold to their faces, especially during this year's May 9th parade.
American advisors apparently tried to convince the Ukrainians to fall back from Bakhmut to more strategically important and manageable positions, but the Ukrainians blew off their advice. I partly understand the Ukrainians. The Americans have the advantage of seeing it from an outsider's perspective, but for the Ukrainians it's different. It's as if America was invaded and someone else told them to abandon Concord, North Carolina because the city is of little strategic importance in the scale of things.
they also eliminated wagner as a threat in the future
keep in mind that retreating from bakhmut also means ruskies nuke several more cities out of existence. bakhmuit is destroyed so there isn't anything else to destroy for russians
How does chimping out against civilians actually help monke win the war? And I'm being charitable and assuming you're not being literal when you say nuke.
1) russians don't care about ukie lives, civilians or not. that's first thing that one has to understand. it isn't "why are they doing it", it's "why wouldn't they be doing it"
2) same like the various torture, beheading, execution videos etc, terror bombing also helps russians to tempt bring ukies on their level of cruelty. and if ukies get on that level, they will lose international support and lose.
you have to look at it from russian perspective to realize that there's no downside in leveling everything they can to ground. the main goal of the war isn't really to "win", as much as to just make ukraine "lose".
But that's fucking retarded, Ukraine is going to get Marshall Planned to the economic level of Poland or something, and a big part of that will be rebuilding their own defense industrial base. The more Russia chimps out the more Ukranians will support an Israel level of defense policy.
>But that's fucking retarded
Have the Russians done a single thing in Ukraine to suggest they're not retarded?
You wouldn't understand as a white man. For slavs and other lower hominids, attacking a weaker opponent when facing an unwinnable conflict is automatic behavior. It's kind of like when you put a dog behind a fence, then put its favorite toy outside the fence. The dog is prevented from interacting with its environment in the way it wants, so a lot of them become insanely aggressive and sometimes they'll bite a human on their side out of frustration. So it goes with the slav. The slav's favorite "toy," in this case un-raped women and assholes that do not yet have AIDS-riddled cum in them, is out of reach due to the Ukrainian "wall." Hence, the slav attacks anything within reach.
Sad really, the breed was quite majestic once but it's regressed significantly ever since it became popular with brownoids. Many such cases.
Quads of Anti-Slavness
Quads of truth
Win the war?
Gherkin's take is that staying Bakhmut is good for the Ukies because R*ssian command is too retarded to do anything but shove thousands of soldiers into this meat grinder head first rather than doing literally anything else that is even slightly less idiotic.
Mighty Puccia doesn't have much longer they can stay there either. A few days ago they reported that besides what was left of Vaginer, the sum total of troops and equipment present there was around 27,000 (1 weak army corps) and a little under 1,500 pieces of equipment most of which were IFVs, with less than 70 tanks and 150 pieces of artillery remaining. Without reinforcements, the rest are likely to be butchered if Ukies decide to take them on with even a portion of the reserves stationed in Chasiv Yar and environs.
Trapping a lot of Russian forces.
I don't see what weird about refugees moving to safety
The Russo-Ukranian War. There's no honest discussion with vatniks about what "victory" looks like because if I'd told you in Feburary 2022 we'd be having this conversation you'd have called me a delusional khohol piggy axaxaxa or whatever. Western support continues, Europe didn't freeze, there's an entire NATO trained and equipped army corps sitting in Zaphorizia with Bradleys, Strykers, Leopards and Challengers (and about 1500 assorted MRAPs, even more uparmored humvees, Polish PT-91s, entire companies of M109s...)
Two more weeks 😀
hopes are high if it fails the conflict will become a decades long low intensity war
Bakhmut never had much value. That wasnt a weird Ukrainain cope, it was honest-to-god truth. Very little importance comapred to alternatives. The value was using it to bleed the vodka morons of ammo and troops.
Ukraine isn't going to rush to take it back.
Rout the VDV on the flanks with a mechanized punch from the new NATO brigades to blood them. Flood with TDF, surround the city, then send the NATO brigades south on internal lines for a Tokmak push.
Why would Ukraine launch an offensive into a tiny literal who piece of shit nowhere town with zero strategic value?
that's crazy, all of those refugees are fighitng age men too.
>According to the Border Guard, 11.151 million refugees from Ukraine, mostly women and children, crossed the Polish-Ukrainian border from February 24, 2022 to April 30, 2023.
>As for statistics on the crossing of the Polish-Ukrainian border, the Border Guard estimates that the total number of Ukrainian citizens who returned from Poland between February 24, 2022 and April 30, 2023 is 9.569 million
most of them have returned by now
That's unironically heart warming. I'm so happy they rallied around their home and culture so well.
yeah wtf I thought they had no shells???
surely a Russian can't possibly be lying right?
Russia's high water mark was over a year ago now and they've been in pretty much continous stall and retreat since. Kherson was liberated, Izyum was liberated, and soon Melitopol and Mariupol will be liberated.
Bradley is coming.
they dropped thermite on them, oooooh nooooooo this is it ukrosisters.....
>you think *truth*? Well hah you’re retarded!
For some reason this type of post frustrates me
we talk about ukrainian refugees, do vatniks ever bring up the ~4 million military aged men that have left russia? most of them with decent jobs because poor russians can't afford leaving
Lol love how you vatnik retards drop the lmao then immediately leave the thread each time you're called out. Every. Fucking. Time.
>losing people
"Muh KDR!" Yeah, and america won vietnam right?
>losing land
Since the start of the invasion they've taken only about 10% of ukraine. Fucking pathetic lmao.
>losing critical infrastructure
Not even enough to hamper the war effort. Again, pathetic as fuck
>losing all your native army
What is this cope even? Muh NATO spec-ops?
counteroffensive will obviously be elsewhere they're not that retarded
>losing people
Russia lost more combat troops than Ukraine did. Along with having majority of their emigration being males in contrast to Ukrainian emigration being mostly female.
>losing land
Russia lost more territory than they have gained since march 2022.
>critical infrastructure
Which is being consistently repaired and supplied by western support. Targeting infrastructure is meaningless unless you're able to disrupt their ability to rebuild it.
>losing all your native army
Anon, russia lost majority of its professional army and also all of its initial invasion force.
Russia was supposed to be the second best army in the world and they've been completely unable to invade their very poor neighbor. That the vatniks didn't commit collective suicide the moment it became clear this war would not go well for Russia just speaks to the level of cognitive dissonance occuring in their heads
No. They should just dig in and keep the attrition going. Nothing is to be gained by taking Bakhmut.
So? Russia is also losing people by the droves, more importantly the high skill workers that are causing a brain drain. The Russian demographic is fucked in the next 20 years.
God what is with this vatmoron cope.
>Puccia lost its entire professional army
>their deniable mercenary force
>and on track to lose all their modern equipment by Feb 22 2024
gay
Russia still got humiliated by them before a single dollar of the Lend Lease hit.
But you know this and are posting for a handful of whatever 3rd World fun bucks you use
Remove the leg stands from the wheelchair
Why bother? Bakhmuts value for ukraine is as a place to fix and attrit russia, costly offensives through the urban area dont achieve that
Before any of that had happened Russia failed to take Kiev, failed at Hostomel, and got blown the fuck out during the first week of fighting.
>chimping out one last time before running away
>Russia is winning!
The cat is gonna be posted on Victory Day. Deal with it, vatmoron.
>killing 10+ Russians for every friendly casualty
>taking back more land from the invaders than is lost for the last 6 months
>"critical" infrastructure is if at all in better state than the decaying junkyard known as Russia
>Russia ha salready lsot virtually its entire pre-war profesional army and is on course to see its entire military-age male population exterminated before Ukraine runs out of manpower
Yes. That is, in fact, what Ukraine winning looks like, according to objective, proven reality. Deal with it, vatmoron.
LMAO. Still coping about Russia gettin gtheir asses kicked. Your cope is pathetic, that's why you should fuck off back to 4chan.
What weapon is this thread about?
This isn't the "Ukraine military situation live" board.
Off topic posts aren't allowed either yet there you go.
My favourite rifle is the Lee Enfield.
>This isn't the "Ukraine military situation live" board.
No, it's the "Fuck Russians and watch Russia die!" board, you fucking dick hungry rooster fag.
so, who is right? 90%or 84%?
>nooo you are supposed to get shelled and die
okay patel
Go back to Discord champ, you aren't old enough yet.
Why there's that Russian obsession with using Soviet-era place names?
It's not an obsession. It is just another cogwheel in the propaganda. Makes it look as if the area belongs to them. Imagine Mexico attacking Texas and New Mexico, referring to old Mexican names for the locations they are trying to invade. It is how you sell it. Maybe noone outside Mexico would buy it, but as long as it lengthens the queue outside the enlistment offices back home their strategy is working.
>Wagner is out of munition
Do you believe the words of Piggojin?
I wouldn't fall into that trap