Now that unmanned turrets are the way forward for tanks, would It be possible to fit both carousel and bustle autoloaders into them in order to double...

Now that unmanned turrets are the way forward for tanks, would It be possible to fit both carousel and bustle autoloaders into them in order to double the ammo capacity?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You are literally describing the "Burlak" turret concept. Where the carousel would carry HE and other speciality rounds and the bustle would carry APFSDS rounds with longer penetrators

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Longer penetrators
      Which is actually pretty important since 3BM60 (Svinets-2) and 3BM59 (Svinets-1, not to be confused with 3BM46 Svinets) can't fit in existing T-64/T-72/T-90/T-80 autoloaders without significant modifications. Then when that modification is done the space used to hold them can't be used to hold other rounds.

      Did you know Burlak got cancelled as the universal turret that would be put on the T-72 to T-90 lineup for the T-14? It was the inexpensive modernization option but typical Russian maximalist corruption and embezzlement happened.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why does the turret have to be in the center?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Distribution of weight and recoil I would imagine

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ok lets put it in the rear
      >worse depression, center of mass shifts to the rear, make it narrower and longer to fix COM = worse turning
      >engine is in middle, turret in rear now more exposed
      >crew is in middle, engine in front = top hatches obstructed/ hatches on sides

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes, its possible

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wouldn't it be better to have the engine in the front and the crew in the back so if you get slammed the crew can still get out and hopefully escape? Or is the mk1 eyeball still too essential to maneuvering a tonk? You'd think with modern tech you'd be able to have a bunch of highly armored cameras all over so the crew doesn't need to physically look around out a window/hatch/periscope.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Planning for redundancy. If your sensors get damaged or even covered in dirt you'd be completely blind. So long as a man is needed to operate a machine, it's necessary for the operator to have a direct visual

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I suppose the saved turret weight can just go to having thick ass frontal armor.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >So long as a man is needed to operate a machine, it's necessary for the operator to have a direct visual
        Boomer speak.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well in that case you might as well also let the human hands into the turret as well to clear jams.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Killdozer solved that problem with compressed air to clear the camera lenses.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >worst that can happen is a little dirt splashing on the glass

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Little quadcopter drones operate the tank from the inside and load the gun.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Imo turrets will get even larger so it can act as standoff armor for the hull to provide better protection from drones and top attack munitions.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >carousel
    Only if you're a fricking moron
    The armata isn't far better than a T-90 if there's a high order detonation of ammo.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who cares when the crew is now in their own separate armored compartment? Carousel autoloaders are dangerous because the crew are literally sitting on top of It, having an unmanned turret, fixes this very problem. But with an unmanned turret, when hit It still will pop, but nobody will be in the way.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >separate armored compartment
        useless against a high order detonation or even a propellant deflagration if the pressure builds up...
        You have a lot of videos with tanks completely "disassembled". The soviet-style carousel don't have any fire-resistance sleeves and the radial layout makes the problem even worse... Revolver auto-loaders are easier to make safer but you can't remove the pressure fast enough to avoid a complete hull destruction. If you're making a "safe tank" don't put the ammo in the hull.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why not put the engine in the front and the meat in the back?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there I fixed it for you
    there is zero need to put amo in the tank, Ukraine war has proven that it's a bad unfixable idea

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Which 2hu is that in the tank on the left?

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