now that the dust has settled...

>ctrl+f
>no rc3 threads
How moronic do you feel paying $2000 for a downgrade?
>inb4 blowback cope

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    RC2 for reference

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/pjhXYBm.png

      >ctrl+f
      >no rc3 threads
      How moronic do you feel paying $2000 for a downgrade?
      >inb4 blowback cope

      >hearing damage vs. hearing damage
      >ur totally btfo'd
      AR kiddies are a funny bunch.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so sorry all the noise has permanently damaged your brain anon 🙁 🙁 🙁

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          what? I can't hear you! I bought this can for my 5.56 AR and shot it without hearing protection!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and yet you're eager to shoot it without hearing protection or a can (you don't own) lmao
            >excuse me anon MY guns are range toys ONLY not for problematic home defense or hunting and I don't own any land either so THERE SIR
            oh my bad anon my deepest apologies I didn't know

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I know you have unbelievably thin skin whenever anyone points out how fricking stupid you are, but you'd seem less stupid if you shut up more.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

                .jpg
                >look i'm (totally me) at the range!
                hahaha look at that fricking seethe

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                are you done being a blibbering imbecile, or are you really this pathetically moronic?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >melanoma on the thumb
                yikes, yeah I'll stop mocking your stupidity anon, shitting on cancer patients is not cool.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >uhhhh I'm not a fricking moron!
                I deny your groveling change of topic, worm.
                you are a fricking moron for thinking having a gun that will damage your hearing is so much better than a gun that will damage your hearing. you are either accepting hearing damage, or wearing earpro.
                >no really, in my tactical larp fantasy I need the permanent damage threshold to go from 1 round to .89 rounds!!!1!1!
                this thread is just brandwhoring, you may as well argue which superhero movies are better.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, you're moronic for not understanding how any of this works. The maximum theoretically possible perfect earpro is around 40dB at ~2kHz. Doubling up does not help with this at all. In practice nobody achieves that, NRR ratings top out around 32, and that still requires perfect fit and no mistakes. An unsuppressed SBR like being tested here has a peak around 171 dB. Even with the best earpro, you're getting a lot of noise exposure if you shoot it much, particularly indoors or around any other hard surfaces. Suppressors double up perfectly because they're reducing base noise. Taking off 40-60 is much better then 20-40. On top of that:
                - This is worst case. It'll be much quieter with the 16"+ barrels most have.
                - Some people care about home defense not just range toys. Maybe you have earpro on hand and time to put it on, maybe not. Even for a few shots, going down to 140 something is better for you then 170+.
                - Some people rarely or never use ranges, but shoot on their own or public land. Suppressors are polite/needed with neighbors and other users.
                - Some people go hunting with dogs. It's still too loud ideally, but it's much better. Like giving the dog basic earpro.

                This is all frankly pretty obvious stuff to anyone who shoots outdoors. That it never occurred to you says more about you then anything.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Even for a few shots, going down to 140 something is better for you then 170+.
                wow, there's a 30db difference between the cans?!
                or do you just struggle with reading comprehension?
                this whole thread is
                >ohhhhh suppressor 1 btfo'd suppressor 2
                >how will suppressor 2 ever recover?!
                >it's so heckin ogre for that brand!!1!1!!1
                Which is obvious to anyone who graduated middle school, which seemingly excludes you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it's good pay far more money for something worse
                Holy shit this is what the brain broken surefire gay has come down to.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I own a silencerco, a Silencer Central and an AB, my point is brandwhoring is for fricking serotonin addled zoom-brained lobotomites. especially when in no realistic use case does the aforementioned difference in performance matter at all because of the choice of caliber.
                >But the HECKIN nummmmbbbbbeeerrrrssss!
                Don't really change much in the
                >fricking loud as shit vs. Fricking loud as shit
                Range

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon you're the one here screaming about how people wanting better performance for less money is bad. If you hate capitalism so much by all means just go with your feels.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I haven't mentioned support or recommendation of a single 5.56 can and never will none of them reduce sound signature enough to allow you to shoot without hearing protection so it's irrelevant. none will stop you from getting hearing damage with them, all help a lot if you are wearing ear pro.
                that cognitive state is beyond your capacity, but just try and imagine being rational.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I haven't mentioned support or recommendation of a single 5.56 can and never will none of them reduce sound signature enough to allow you to shoot without hearing protection so it's irrelevant.
                No, it's not as was explained to you. You keep insisting that this is the only thing that matters, because you're a genuine moron. We can't help with that part. Hint: earpro doesn't make guns hearing safe either.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                hes also wrong anyway since his dumb shit mind couldn't grasp the part about this being on 10" barrel vs 16" or 20"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I own a silencerco, a Silencer Central and an AB, my point is brandwhoring is for fricking serotonin addled zoom-brained lobotomites. especially when in no realistic use case does the aforementioned difference in performance matter at all because of the choice of caliber.
                >But the HECKIN nummmmbbbbbeeerrrrssss!
                Don't really change much in the
                >fricking loud as shit vs. Fricking loud as shit
                Range

                >RC3: worse in all ways. $1700
                >literally $500 more then any of the top options
                >easily beaten by polonium 30 can that costs $530 total
                >you are absolutely melting down and defending this
                whew

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >brand A (or D whichever we are on at this point), can't you see my dick riding?!
                >death to brand B and behead all brand C supporters!
                it's all shit because you are comparing deafening rifles to deafening rifles. this isn't some gotcha moment because 5.56 (particularly in ARs) is dogshit at suppression.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >15 db literally makes no difference stop worrying about it!
                this reminds me of the consolegay cope

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You buy rc2s, mini2s, and if your a real chad a MICRO. Flow through is a meme designed and gear torwards not fighting in peer to peer, worse flash, worse noise, & gas blow back still exists. Ever hear about the Delta P cans that were the first 3d printed cans with flow through? Theres a reason you never see or hear about those 10 years later... Rc3 is for the brain rotted.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >torwards not fighting in peer to peer
                holy larperator (and also wrong and moronic

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You dont hear about delta P because they were purchased for the NGSW program and are mired in development hell.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think it's probably just dead anyway. Anything from that long ago is obsolete, advances in practical CFD and 3d laser sintering tech in the last decade have been significant. It's possible to have better and worse flow through same as better or worse conventional, 10 year old flow is going to be shit compared to modern stuff.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its been redesigned several times over the course of the ngsw program anon, per GD/TrueVelocity

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah but GD/TV lost unfortunately and thus the chub is still probably dead. And I still doubt it'd be very interesting or useful to the civilian market at this point anyway unless it was middle priced.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                oh noooo I'm so scared!!!!! ahhh don't heckin uhh,
                ummm
                hmm.
                yeah, whatcha gonna do with them, dipshit? go ahead and describe your revenge fantasy about being assblasted on the internet.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you are logged now....."current" citizen.

                kiss your puppy before bed kiddo.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm just quaking in my boots.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ok now we know you own boots too....tell us more so we can prep for your raid

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                we have searched your records and will be rounding up your husband at work as well.

                learn op sec buddy, next your going to admit you have a 9mm pistol!

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You should really get that mole checked. Better hope its a atypical mole than something precancerous or cancerous.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This test is on a 10.3 inch barrel

      While this test is on a 14.5 inch barrel

      I don’t doubt the RC3 is worse than the RC2, that would seem pretty par for the course, but I would like to see them tested like for like.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not OP, he fricked that one up, but looks like they did actually retest the RC2 on the same 10.8 system too. Didn't change the overall composite but did change the details particularly at the ear with the warcomp. Here it is for comparison.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cope

        https://i.imgur.com/reEqVpY.png

        Not OP, he fricked that one up, but looks like they did actually retest the RC2 on the same 10.8 system too. Didn't change the overall composite but did change the details particularly at the ear with the warcomp. Here it is for comparison.

        >pay $2000 for a worse product
        are surefiretrannies the appleBlack folk of the gun c*mmunity?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kek, absolutely embarrassing. Even better given that like 3 weeks ago or something people were shilling it hard in a suppressor thread and shitting on hux and cat options.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hay guys that flow thing seems pretty popular!
    >how about we
    >take the flow556
    >keep the bad parts and make them worse
    >not have the good parts
    >make it heavier
    >for just double the price!
    Now that's the Surefire Experience™ their top customers demand!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dont forget
      >You can only use one designated muzzle device or it will throw fireballs

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and it's a shitty one
        But also was kinda including that under "bad parts and make them worse", the flow does spark somewhat on SBRs the way most titanium cans do, and it does require a proprietary attachment (one of a couple of their muzzle devices). But hux's ones are actually quite good, even if ideally they'd be open, and CAT does almost as well with HUB compatible options. Surefire took the proprietary thing, but then reduced options, made it far shittier, and had the thing be an actual fireball with wrong device not just some sparking.

        Frankly though not really surprised, kinda feels like this is how a lot of big old companies go particularly with government contracts. They come up with something quite good at one point with real engineers, and maybe iterate it some, but at some point they go into milking mode and stop further innovation and indeed lose the institutional ability to do so. High performing people leave, MBAs take over more and more, and gradually competitors catch up, and then blaze right past them. Then they're coasting on brand, memes, and contracts.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    honestly this is a healthy sign. every niche thing has to go through this phase where nobody is reviewing it seriously and it's just lore and marketing then finally someone sheds some light. audio had this phase like a decade and a half ago or something. there is still garbage but you can get good stuff too. and companies that just coasted got roasted. competition is good.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why now. fricking cat

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Really crazy thing is to realize this is all only beginning. 3D print is still in its earliest stages. 4-day wait times are gonna bring in tons of new players and heat up competition big time, and exert a downward pressure on pricing. Manufacturers will no long be able to count on 6+ months or orders before anyone normal can get their hands on them and actually start to report back. Shakeups are going to be awesome.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ya like putting that up ur butt

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so its a Fleshlight n a dildo. ya fricking homosexuals put that shit away

      Seething nocans sure have an obsession with anal sex.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so its a Fleshlight n a dildo. ya fricking homosexuals put that shit away

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dont think this is gonna last forever. all the newbies backlogged everyone from before the website "crash". get ur cans and support biden while u can

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I dont think this is gonna last forever.
      You don't think what will? Fast approvals? There's no particular reason a purely electronic system shouldn't be damn near instant for most people without a name issue, it's just an extra layer over NICS at this point.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That eForm site is still on 90s software. we'll see how it turns out

    Anyone trilug their 9mm can onto a 22lr host with trilug? Might skip a 22 can

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >That eForm site is still on 90s software
      lol wut. They didn't even have eForms for this stuff until last year. Feds have actually done a ton of modernizing on the web last few years, with unified modern login and such.

      More importantly, site also has nothing to do with the backend which is what actually matters, but the ATF doing electronic anything for the NFA isn't remotely decades old. We're not talking finance/taxes or air traffic control or whatever where they started on IBM mainframes 50 years ago.

      Guess sure, in principle nothing for sure prevents it from going up again, but it's been like two months at this point since times plummeted and unlike last time it's held, the flood of demand hasn't overwhelmed the system at all. And the longer that goes on the more people will come to expect it. The change they made to double FIFO seems like a fundamentally good one.

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