Noob here, why doesn't anyone use sport pistols for protection?

Noob here, why doesn't anyone use sport pistols for protection? It seems they're more accurate and easier to fire rapidly. From what they told me at the shooting range the only drawback is that since the trigger is lighter you're more likely to have a nice day in the foot but surely that's not an issue if you practice proper trigger discipline right?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They weigh significantly more than defensive pistols and are generally of such a size as to preclude the majority of common concealed carry methods.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Burt

      Oh did OP mean concealed carry? Seemed like he meant home defense.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nah I meant home defence, I guess for concealed carry you'd go with one of those tiny James Bond guns.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Concealed carry is easier than you think
          >Can easily appendix carry an S&W 686

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Pistols are the worst choice of the 3 major gun types for home defense. Long guns are just better and easier to effectively use and I side the home you have no concerns with weight or size since you don't have to conceal or transport the gun in public.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          people do use sporty pistols as their 'home defense' gun. IMO most people who are enough of enthusiasts to buy a high end competition-style handgun probably choose a rifle for that role though

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I keep a USP Elite as my night stand pistol.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >defence

          Get out of here no guns country inhabiter

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            de lion jump ova de fence

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I hadn't even considered that. For home defense I can't come up with a reason except cost.

        Is the weight an issue? When I tried it the weight actually made it feel better. I can see the concealment part, but there's plenty of real life use pistols that are just as large.

        Weight will make the gun shoot better but be harder to carry. And you are entirely correct that there are large pistols that are used for defense (in fact most of these sport pistols/race guns are based on common defensive pistols), but those tend to be larger, duty-oriented pistols that can be carried outside the waistband and without concern for being seen.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is the weight an issue? When I tried it the weight actually made it feel better. I can see the concealment part, but there's plenty of real life use pistols that are just as large.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >but there's plenty of real life use pistols that are just as large.
        And people don't CCW those either. Big pistols are either range toys or open carried.

        For home defense the weight/bulk isn't a problem, but since concealment isn't an issue for HD a long gun is a superior choice.

        Heavy, bulky, sometimes not drop safe, sometimes have trouble igniting hard primers, possibly less reliable, possibly might have trouble feeding hollow points.

        These are all good points. Furthermore race guns often have ergonomic changes that are great for competition but suck for carry, like having an extended thumb rest or extended handle for racking the slide, flared magwells make the grip huge, often the controls on the gun are oversized, target sights stick out, there are lots of sharp edges everywhere that complicate drawing from concealment.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Absolute butt and not true. I have two friends that both appendix carry a full size 45 1911 and a 10mm full size XDM or something similar by Springfield.
          You can certainly concealed carry larger firearms outside of the range; comfortability and risk of printing just become larger annoyances.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            1911 is thin and rounded so it's unironically good for conceal carry to avoid printing if you aren't a wanker who can't handle a little bit of weight.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              1911 low capacity always bothers me and the moment you go double stack it gets fat again

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >People don’t CC big pistols
          What, like full-sized? Nonsense. My preferred CC method is a Beretta 92 or GP100 in a vertical shoulder rig, and many anons here CC big boy guns.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sorry Anon, but you're wrong as frick. My daily is a concealed OWB Jericho, and I've carried anything from a Glock 40 to a D.Eagle as my CC of choice.

          You just gotta be willing to try, have a good holster and belt, and learn to work around it a bit. Not hard, just not everyone's choice.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Burt

    They do. But they cost more than normies will pay.

    Except when people want muh force multipliers like optics lights and silencers.

    Someone who buys a "sport pistol" is not your average one and done gun owner who's going to ND their toe.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >owner who's going to ND their toe.
      But, but I read somewhere that ND's were just a fun and normal part of gun ownership? Did I read that wrong?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I bought a sport pistol because I fell for the walther meme

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its why some people don't daily drive a race car, while it might be faster and the road head you give is better, its not as reliable with street wear and tear for most coping poorgays.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and the road head you give is better

      Why am I driving and giving head? That's dangerous!

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    not drop safe

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's this. They often have no safety features.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If it's left stock it is drop safe. If you're referring to that RO that got shot during a comp it was because the guy had after-market firing pin and spring that I will asmit make the gun NOT drop-safe 100%.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If it's left stock it is drop safe
        Those specific models don't have a firing pin block numbnuts

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not drop safe
      so don't fricking drop it, moron. skill issue

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Heavy, bulky, sometimes not drop safe, sometimes have trouble igniting hard primers, possibly less reliable, possibly might have trouble feeding hollow points.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ergonomics aside, the weight of the trigger can be used by prosecutor to try to paint you as callous if you had access to guns that were designed for self-defense. This is even more true if you modified the weapon yourself. It's stupid, but homosexuals will absolutely do it and it's just not worth the trouble.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If you modified the gun they'll say you're a murderer! And if you didn't use US made parts they'll get you for 922r!
      t. boomer with no evidence of either those things ever happening
      Honestly I don't even talk to boomers about guns any more because I'm sick of hearing about stuff like this.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ayoob gives examples of trials where the prosecutor used this argument in one of his books, but I guess he's a boomer too, so he probably doesn't know what he's talking about. You know, despite being an expert in the field with a proven track record in the courts.

        Besides, who do you think actual prosecutors are, you zoomer moron? You think they care about looking cool in your internet echo chamber? No, they want to get a conviction and they're going to use the lamest, dumbest pretext to put you in prison for decades. Go outside and touch grass, dumbass.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Then surely you could give examples as well?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So what was the argument and was it even effective?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The argument typically is that by installing a "hair trigger" or using a very light trigger you display negligence. They either try to paint you as a psychopath or imply that you didn't fire on purpose and nail you for manslaughter.

            New York v. Frank Magliato
            Crown v. Gossett (Canada)
            Florida v. Luis Alvarez
            Santibanes v. Tomball
            Galmon v. Phebus

            Most of the relevant examples I've heard about are from the US, but this case can be made in any country because it's not very law-specific and prosecutors can go full moron anywhere. Probably less likely to happen in Europe though because local prosecutors likely aren't as familiar with all the anti-gun courtroom memes.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You skipped
              >was it even effective
              Lol
              >New York v. Frank Magliato
              stockbroker's rented farrari gets hit+run'd, he chases down the car and finds it parked, shoots and kills passenger
              >(Canada)
              Who gives a frick lol
              >Florida v. Luis Alvarez
              Acquitted
              >Santibanes v. Tomball
              Civil case, unintentional shooting where officer's gun "went off" and it was determined that the trigger had been modified
              >Galmon v. Phebus
              Once again, cop's gun "accidentally" went off. Trigger was modified against department policy.

              Not a single fricking one of these cases is an example of a jury convicting a citizen who did an otherwise good shoot in a defensive situation because they modified their gun, moron.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he chases down the car and finds it parked, shoots and kills passenger
                He actually drove home, got his gun, and then went and found the car and waited for them to come back out at which time he shot and killed the passenger. Textbook self defense.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Clearly a modified trigger was the deciding factor for the jury lol

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It wasn't modified. Part of his defense was that he didn't intend to shoot but after he wienered the revolver the SA pull was so light that when he got startled he fired accidentally. This was not accepted by the jury.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So it has absolutely nothing at all to do with what that moron was saying in the slightest lol.

                Again there are literally no cases where a good shoot was turned into a conviction because of a modification to the gun or because of the weight of the trigger, and nobody who makes this argument has ever been able to point me to a case where it actually happened. He wasn't convicted because of the lightweight trigger, he was convicted for putting himself in a situation that was not self defense then killing a guy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you’re missing the point. Of course a jury isn’t going to convict specifically on a hair trigger. You’re going to have your story and the prosecutor is going to have theirs. If the prosecutor can convince the jury you’re a maniac with a hair trigger just itching for a chance to shoot someone, it’s going to make the prosecutor’s story more believable than your own.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I get it. Now please show me one (1) example of this happening. Ever. Just one. Boomers have been using this talking point for decades, surely it must be based on something?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >reading comprehension level: zero
                Frick you’re moronic.
                If Mark Zimmerman would’ve had a race gun and got convicted, we never would’ve know if that was the reason or not. It just would’ve been the jury thinking he started the confrontation against an innocent Trayvon Martin as the prosecution laid out.

                Show me one (1) example of you not being a moronic homosexual.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you have no proof.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I genuinely cannot tell if you are just being a troll or if you truly believe a modified gun is going to send you straight to prison. We all understand the prosecutor is going to put pressure on you for modifying your gun, using certain bullets or really anything else they think they can use to make you look bad. That is not the end all be all. If what you are saying is true, then modifying your gun would be illegal, but we know that is not true. You have not brought us a case where it was actually the modified gun that got the guy thrown in the slammer.

                As long as you use your firearm responsibly, you follow the rules, respect the law and you carry out a justified act of self defense or defense of another, then it is not possible for the courts to charge you with anything unless you become the exception to the rule (see Chauvin). If you are making the argument that modifying the gun will make you the exception, then you are still missing the point here. Court is all about making a reasonable argument within the context of the law and the society that we live in. If you have a reasonable argument for modifying your gun, then it does not matter what someone else says about you. This is especially true if you had the work done professionally, verified the work was done properly through a third party or even tested the work yourself.

                I think what you really are trying to say is that you should be careful about what you do to and with your gun because it can and will be used against you in a court of law.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >reading comprehension level: zero
                Frick you’re moronic.
                If Mark Zimmerman would’ve had a race gun and got convicted, we never would’ve know if that was the reason or not. It just would’ve been the jury thinking he started the confrontation against an innocent Trayvon Martin as the prosecution laid out.

                Show me one (1) example of you not being a moronic homosexual.

                Literally one example of this happening, anon.
                One time. A single one. Should be easy.

                Why all this linguistic dancing about the intangibility of the perception of guns lol.
                If this is such a common occurrence then there should be plenty of examples of it happening. Not literally 0.

                Even the "case studies" used as examples, not a single one of them shows what you people purport happens commonly.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shit tbh you’ve convinced me, one of us spergs would have corrected you by now.
                Curious though, why are you so invested in the argument? Did someone argue w you about your trigger being modded and piss you off or something?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Curious though, why are you so invested in the argument? Did someone argue w you about your trigger being modded and piss you off or something?
                People make this argument about modded pistols (and sometimes include shit like putting an optic and light on a gun or carrying defensive loads) in these threads (and all over the internet) all the time, and it's just a completely fake, made up thing. There are literally no examples of it happening and it's the stupidest fricking thing to throw out there for no apparent reason that I have a hard time not calling it out for the bullshit it clearly is.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >carrying defensive loads
                The closest I can think of for a case of ammo mattering in a legal situation is when Winchester got sued over Black Talons in a shooting back in the nineties.

                The suit was dismissed.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Literally none of it matters lol, it's all fuddlore. There are no cases where prosecution successfully turned a good shoot into a conviction because of any of the things I mentioned, and yet you can find fudd dumbasses here and everywhere telling you with a straight face that it happens all the time.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm just tired of hearing this fuddlore over and over again. Stop repeating it. It has no basis in fact.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          May I see them?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he probably doesn't know what he's talking about
          about how the world works after 9/11? yeah, they absolutely have no clue what they're talking about

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mostly cost and defensive handguns are more than adequate for accuracy. 99.999% of handgun shooters aren’t good enough to be limited by a G17. Even if they were, it’s not like they would be in a defensive shooting.
          Also safety can be an issue as other anons have pointed out.

          You ever heard the quote
          >the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the typical voter
          That’s literally the jury pool. They’re not legally trained and the prosecution will try to weed out anyone familiar with guns and self defense during jury selection.

          Also modifying the trigger on a carry gun is moronic. DA revolvers used to be the standard. If you suck with a stock glock trigger, it’s 100% a skill issue.

          This shit is so fricking stupid. The question before the jury in a self-defense shooting is
          >did the legal standard justifying a defensive shooting get met
          not
          >did he modify the weapon
          >what weapon did he use
          Prosecutor can ramble about how your pistol has a comp and a match trigger and how you used some kind of meme ammunition that blew watermelon sized holes in the deceased, its all fricking irrelevant. Either the situation justified the use of force or it did not, whether the force was implemented with the worlds most generic Glock, a brick, a broken bottle or a 8.8 cm Flak 18/36/37/41, is fricking irrelevant.

          >b... but he will show you wanted to kill
          Yes, you wanted to kill because someone was trying to kill you
          >b... but he will show an intent to kill
          See above
          >b... but he will show premeditation
          Planning and provocation is evidence of that, a gucci pistol is not.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mostly cost and defensive handguns are more than adequate for accuracy. 99.999% of handgun shooters aren’t good enough to be limited by a G17. Even if they were, it’s not like they would be in a defensive shooting.
        Also safety can be an issue as other anons have pointed out.

        You ever heard the quote
        >the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the typical voter
        That’s literally the jury pool. They’re not legally trained and the prosecution will try to weed out anyone familiar with guns and self defense during jury selection.

        Also modifying the trigger on a carry gun is moronic. DA revolvers used to be the standard. If you suck with a stock glock trigger, it’s 100% a skill issue.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You ever heard the quote
          >>the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the typical voter
          >That’s literally the jury pool. They’re not legally trained and the prosecution will try to weed out anyone familiar with guns and self defense during jury selection.
          >Also modifying the trigger on a carry gun is moronic. DA revolvers used to be the standard. If you suck with a stock glock trigger, it’s 100% a skill issue.
          So again, you have no evidence of this speculated action occuring.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Black person alert
      >>im a moron and spout nonsense

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Rittenhouse trial is a prime example of why the prosecutor trying to do dumb shit isn't actually all that successful.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's nothing stopping you from using a Sig P210 to defend yourself but then you have the issue of a fat balding pig stealing your gun as "evidence" after defending yourself
    I'd rather lose my cheap ass Maverick

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This seems to be a factor a lot of people do not consider, when carrying their Wilsons, Nighthawks etc. A 3k+ gun "going missing" in the evidence locker. Just carry a compact polymer whatever. Pic unrel.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I always say get a G19, G43X, Shield, P365, J frame or LCR.
        They're common, not too expensive, and have lots of options

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think they consider it, they just don't care. If you just saved your own life in a defensive shooting the value of the gun you used to do it is going to be so far down your priority list it's not even funny. Yeah it would suck if some expensive pistol disappeared from evidence but are you really going to be worrying about your $3k gun when you just saved your own LIFE? People don't care about the value of their $50k car when they walk away from the wreck.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          While you are correct, people have insurance for the $50K car, so it doesn't need much concern at all.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Man, I don't know what it is about the USP HE finish and that tone of FDE, but it fricking works.

        Bigger bonus for the grip insert and the MR09.
        Good aesthetic.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd frick that USP harder than op's mom.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I see a dude who is wider than he is tall open carrying a CZ race gun in town pretty regularly. I feel the same deep, abiding sense of secondhand shame one used to feel seeing kids in Naruto headbands in the 2000s every time I see him emerge from the mediocre pizza place.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cope and seethe.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seething

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fatty's just living his best life out there, seethe harder homosexual

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they're additionally not really drop safe, if you fumble it, then it can go off

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I understand that match guns are usually built to much tighter tolerances in order to maintain consistency in shot placement. As long as you're using the right ammo for the gun, you should be fine, but there is less room for error, so any changes in the ammo can easily lead to malfunctions. Pin-point accuracy is not necessarily the priority here because the nature of a defensive shooting situation is so chaotic that it is unlikely you would be able to even utilize the increase in accuracy. Defensive firearms generally need to be able to cycle a variety of different loads reliably. You should at least have loads for practice, 2-legged and 4-legged predators.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they're fricking huge so you can't really conceal them and expensive

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I conceal carry a 9.58" Nighthawk Chairman because I'm huge and fun.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Heavy.

    Good money on the fact that if you carry you will literally never use it, no point in lugging around a big cumbersome sport pistol.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    competition sights generally aren't night sights, and swapping irons on a pistol is a pain.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some people probably do. They will certainly do the job. They’re just tuned for a different purpose. As a bedside/home defense gun, yeah, if you don’t mind using a more expensive piece, then go nuts. For concealed carry though, there are just better options that will be lighter, more comfortable to carry and shoot just fine in the statistically rare chance you use it at the very very short ranges you would need it at. If you WANT to CC one, then do it. But long shots like that chad who used a stock Glock to put down the food court shooter are outliers, not the norm.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The key issue with specifically carrying competition-oriented CZs vs their "duty" models is that the gucci ones have had internal safety mechanisms removed in order to clean up and lighten the trigger mechanism. This makes for an exceptional trigger pull but it also means the gun isn't drop-safe anymore, regardless of your trigger discipline.

    Personally, a factory P01 or SP01 has a pretty damn good trigger out of the box, and if you do the CGW firing pin + hammer spring mod it gets you a trigger that's ~95% as good as a Shadow 2's but you have a gun that won't maybe go off if you bonk it too hard.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the police tend to seize and retain "evidence" and are not really hasty to return it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Irrelevant since the individual odds of having to shoot are submicroscopic and if weapon saves your life the money doesn't matter even if poor.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >t. never killed a home invader
        I’m still waiting on my AR-10 that blasted a Black person’s brains all over the drywall (and left a hole in said drywall). I’m certain the cops are having a good time playing around with my hodgepodge KAC/LMT rifle.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Story time?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I’ll start:
            He’s lying

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Expensive. Barrels wear out quicker. Heavier.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      noguns

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because accuracy isn't an issue at the distances where defensive shootings typically occur. Chances are you won't even use the sights.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >#1, top of the list reason is because competition guns are usually big and heavy
    >competition guns lack safety features that carry guns often have
    >carry guns are cheap, and it's not going to financially hurt you if you have to use it and it goes to the evidence locker forever

    god forbid, if you ever have to use a firearm in self defense, you're probably not going to see it again. it will be kept as evidence indefinitely. you might get it back, but there's no guarantee. do you want your $2.5k pistol going to the shadow realm, or your $350 canik?

    also, race guns aren't meant to be carried all the time. they're meant to be perfectly maintained and taken out after being meticulously inspected and lubricated, running the finest FMJ ammo money can buy, being cleaned to perfection and put back. carry guns are designed to run FMJ and JHP with zero complaints and feed/fire both every time. this means that there's necessarily a little slop, and a little slop means it's a mechanically unoptimized system. it's generalized.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >god forbid, if you ever have to use a firearm in self defense, you're probably not going to see it again. it will be kept as evidence indefinitely. you might get it back, but there's no guarantee.

      Where does this meme come from? Firearms are regulated like prescription medication, the owner of the firearm is the only person allowed to possess it with few exceptions. The state is required to return your firearm to you within a reasonable time. Obviously this varies by state. In fact, there are almost always specific guidelines for state to follow in order to return your firearm to you and if they don't, then you can hold them accountable. Sure, there is corruption and there is incompetency, but that is present in everything. Can you even name one instance that someone didn't get their firearm back? How about 5? I would honestly be more concerned with losing my firearm in the mail.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they're superior in every way, except until you realize that when you shoot someone you're forking over a $1k+ pistol to the evidence locker with no guarantee that its gonna be returned to you (laws dont mean shit when you're dealing with the government)

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they big

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're 45oz before a light and red dot now thats too heavy for anything but home defense. You wouldn't carry it appendix.

    I actually carry a cajun custom SP01 hunting and on my larp kit with a 3.5lb combat trigger job not a 2lb race trigger job, but its a little heavy and the new race guns are 5 oz even heavier.

    Also shadows and 1911s dont have a firing pin block so they arent as safe.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if you actually are involved in a shooting, your race gun is going on the evidence rack

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dumbest argument. Costs of legal fees and time spent dealing with it will greatly inconvenience you more than being out a single gun that costs up to 5k. Which you can get back if you have a competent lawyer.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >race horse reliablility

    I like the idea of weight maxxing with a light on the margins of acceptable bolt carrier mass for a cheek pistol AR, but on the balance wouldn't ever want to be a in a two-way firing range situation with my life on the line on that basis either. PDW/GTW distinction ought to lean toward the latter in light of Gaza-y considerations, let alone Ukraine Minute Man contingencies.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just stop being a pretentious hipster and buy a glock

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They do. But the reality is most people don't use sports pistols, period. They probably account for .01% of all handguns out there so of course you won't see it often.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >surely that's not an issue if you practice proper trigger discipline right?
    Adrenaline is a helluva drug. You do not want a short light trigger on a serious use gun.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why would you draw if you didn't want to shoot?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you can't work that one out you shouldn't be allowed a firearm.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >escalate to deadly force but then not use it
    Yeah I think I'm just going to walk away instead.

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