>non stabilized cannon. >dinky 20mm with only a 2km range. >hastily added Milan ATGM

>non stabilized cannon
>dinky 20mm with only a 2km range
>hastily added Milan ATGM
Is this thing worse than the warrior?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All APC/IFV's are trash on the modern battlefield

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And tanks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And tanks.

      Say anon, the bullet seems to counter infantry rather well.
      It's cheap, mass produced, a 10 year old can fire one, is the infantry dead because of this?
      Checkmate you fucking retards
      I thought the tank has been dying since it first came in 1917!?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        By that logic, we never should have gotten rid of the zeppelins

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          With how shitty Russia's air defense has gotten combined with the lack of manpads a modern Zeppelin could definitely wreck some Russian trenches

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The US Army has blimps with large, powerful recon cameras.
          Also, to be fair, against a bunch of thirdies with no anti aircraft ability, a zeppelin with bombs or rockets would be devastating.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >your city is crowded with high-altitude blimps
            >any time you so much as durk to allah a precision missile blows you up

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This made you seethe so much you made a whole fucking thread about it? Or do you actually think you made some sort of hyperlogical btfo?
        >Checkmate
        Jesus.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Think IFV's is what will take over after this war. Tanks are only good due to thier enormus range and ability to destroy anything with precision that is spoted by drones, but the protection just isn't viable think IFV's with 100 mm canons will be what becomes the new meta for armored forces

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and why exactly would an IFV, which has to make space and such compromises to house infantry, carrying a 100mm gun, be better than an MBT?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And why would that be? Neither IFVs nor tanks are supposed to be used on their own.
        And how exactly is tank protection not viable? It is the most heavily protected vehicle on the battlefield.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >______ is trash on the modern battlefield

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >IFVs and APCs are trash on the modern battlefield, this is obvious because they can be destroyed by tanks
      >tanks are trash on the modern battlefield because they can be destroyed by infantry
      >infantry are trash, they just get killed by mortars and artillery when they try to move
      >artillery is trash because they are easy prey for rotory wing aircraft
      >helicopters are trash, a jet can blow them up from bvr
      >jets are totally worthless, any competent military will have lots of radar systems and long range AA missiles to shoot them down the moment they come in range
      >AA is worthless because of SEAD
      obviously the only way to fight a war in the modern era is to have submarines fire cruise missiles at land targets, everything else is too vulnerable or lacks the capability to defeat some other component of combined arms, and is thus obsolete

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is this thing worse than the warrior?
    Depends, does it use 3 round clips?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You’re right. Plus it has dual feed capability.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hastily added Milan ATGM
    Prefacing it like that as if tank killing ability isn't tank killing ability.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You could give a dude on a scooter a Carl G and get the same result

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Who knows, maybe ATGM's on E-Scooters is the 2100 meta. You're way ahead of the game.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          frankly I think ebikes and escooters are fucking undervalued. Real potential there, can go *almost* everywhere a man could, except 10 times faster. Only costs like 2k for a pretty good ebike.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I wonder if these guys have scored any kills yet or if they're just a meme to shill ebikes

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              probably? it's like carrying around a javelin except better. The main disadvantage of shit like javelins is that it's fucking heavy, with the engine doing a majority of the work for you it becomes much more feasible to lug that shit around everywhere.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                wouldn't it be so top heavy it fucks up the entire balance and be borderline unridable?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you'd probably be prone to wheelies, but it's probably not that grave. These sorts of ebikes use wide fucking tires and are heavy (20-30kg) themselves.

                Consumers Ebikes with an average weight rider have ranges somewhere between 50-100 miles depending on the model. Add gear to that man, then add another man with gear and a 50 pound javelin. And you will get a underpowered piece of junk that goes 20 miles then conks out.

                Electric will always be shit for anything but trains and toys.

                An ebike weighs as much as a javelin, meaning we're neatly about doubling our expected energy need, cutting the range from 25 to 50 miles, if you overloaded it like that. And you know what, and I know this blows peoples minds, you can exchange these batteries and they only weigh 5kg at most. So you could infact simply have a spare. Shocking right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your math is off, it's the weight of bike plus guy plus javelin. Bike plus guy plus gear vs bike plus guy plus gear incl. javelin is going to have pretty damn near similar ranges.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Consumers Ebikes with an average weight rider have ranges somewhere between 50-100 miles depending on the model. Add gear to that man, then add another man with gear and a 50 pound javelin. And you will get a underpowered piece of junk that goes 20 miles then conks out.

                Electric will always be shit for anything but trains and toys.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, but now your logistics includes electricity to charge batteries.
            They may have their use but keeping them operational where there is no power will be challenging at best.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Soviet era and those ir things on T-90A can hold Milan shots.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >those ir things on T-90A can hold Milan shots
        >IR thingy can deflect wire guided missiles
        Explain how.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They work against early generation MCLOS/SACLOS ATGM by dazzling the command unit.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            By just overheating it or what?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Old school command of the missles was them having basically a lightbulb in the back. The position of the light bulb relative to the crosshairs of the command unit would calculate steering commands to guide the missle on target. The idea of that soft APS is to create additional inputs for the command unit to steer the missle off course.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No longer up to date.
    We've got more powerful IFV now.

    > Bradleyboys I don't feel so good

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Germans are best at IFV

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        By far

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Didn't they literally just recall those things because of parts failure?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, 17 of the 18 Pumas that showed signs of damage are already repaired. Like many things in the Bundeswehr, or any army for that matter, it was mostly a failure by the politicians. They wanted an IFV that can basically do everything at once, and the industry cobbles together a vehicle that is good, mind you, but still somewhat delicate because its pumped full of high tech, and then instead of ordering enough so that everyone is fully equipped + surplus for parts, the defense ministry only orders 350 of them, and then cycles them around the units based on whoever currently needs them, to the point where the soldiers refer to the Puma as "wandering whores."
            So you have a good, but delicate IFV, that barely keeps up with the unreasonable demands of the defense ministry, thats also mismanaged into being strained beyond its limits with little to no maintenance, and then you complain when it breaks down. I smell another G36 scenario, where people who don't know much about military tech throw fits because they want a rifle that is cheap, accurate at all ranges, and never overheats even after several magazines of constant fire in the desert sun.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Wall of cope
              Hello olaf scholz

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >reabing too hard, no understand >:(

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              This. Keep in mind the German politicians literally decommissioned their entire special forces because they posted funny memes in private chats.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lol

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >degenerate dimwit thinks he won an argument with a retarted headline jpg without knowing anything about the Puma and the newst 2020 version that is still in test mode

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I choose to believe everything I read on the internet, especially if it backs up my unusual theories and prejudices.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Germans literally invented them back in 58

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nafocels were unable to compute that Russia will have an army of 600k in half a year or less. The ukies will have about 320 max
    >we're totally retaking the east guys
    >their central bank will run out of money! (real talking point)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >300 ukrainians are holding off the entire russian army
      at that point I'd stop being demoralized because of their low number and start being afraid of ukrainians

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        300k your iq must be lower than 90

        Keep em coming. Need more vids of malnourished russians getting bombed

        >Russia actually has more artillery than Ukraine
        >Shills never seem to figure out what the casualty figures look like

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yup, ukraine has lost a gorillion men by now and kyiv has been taken

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ukraine has lost 100,000k or more
            >The RF will have a nearly 2:1 advantage in manpower at the end of mobilization

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >more russian human waves to get slaughtered

              Can't wait

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Keep em coming. Need more vids of malnourished russians getting bombed

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >thread made by your buddies gets 404ed
      >find random thread that won't immediately be nuked
      >continue shitposting there as well
      this guy was in the last thread saying "no wartime economy in history has ever collapsed" fyi

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        right about the time nafo started claiming the russian central bank would "run out of money", lol. Nafofag has nogunz

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why are NAFO a thing, its so fucking cringe.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            state department pays for people to shill for Ukraine digitally and they've tried crowdsourcing the effort to make it look organic. All fake and gay and I'm not dying for that fucking country

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, more like you're obsessed with a twitter group designed to troll Russians and pro russian accounts on twitter. Strawmanning people that disagree with you as NAFO doesn't work because they are primarily a twitter based group. Even if they post here, they are such a small minority that its irrelevant or just them taking advantage of anti Russian sentiments. But aside from that, blaming NAFO for everything is such a pathetic strawman and deflection and the only people that bring them up are either left 4chan chuds or 4chanfags that fell for the meme or want an easy boogieman to latch onto.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >muh NAFO is paid
              They are literally just a bunch of twitterfags that gather together while posting outdated memes. The fact that you think they are some kind of paid government group is funny. Not everyone is a paid spook and the support for Ukraine is less artificial than the support for russia(majority of pro russian accounts are from africa/india, which are known places of Russian shill farms)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          see? it's him. told you.

          please ignore everything he posts and continue on with the thread's actual topic.

          Why are NAFO a thing, its so fucking cringe.

          it's not, there's a borderline schizophrenic group on discord that posts here 24/7, and nafo is one of the ideas they push to make it look like PrepHole is an "information battleground" between nebulous groups rather than the victim of a few groomers and their discord friends.

          like sure, nafo posts on twitter, and sure, nafo might post here, but they've never done it in an identifiable way and nobody has ever given a shit.

          as i said above just ignore this retard.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            neva 4get
            https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/56685588/#q56687405
            >The Russian central bank will RUN OUT OF MONEY
            I assume the janny took one look at that and figured that kid was in wayyyy over his head. He also claimed Russia would economically collapse in a very short period, and then started getting evasive about specifics

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's a warriortard thread.
          It's shilling regardless, the whole point of the entire thread was to take shots at the warrior, he's called warriortard for a reason. He is a shill that works shill hours.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Uh oh your insecurity is showing. I think the warrior is mentioned once before your post.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is this the new cope now?
      You're no longer claiming poor little Russia is outnumbered by Ukraine and that's why they've been put on the retreat for 8 months now?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You're no longer claiming poor little Russia is outnumbered by Ukraine and that's why they've been put on the retreat for 8 months now?
        This happens every time a mobilization wave happens or new units are formed. Remember that entire army that was supposed to make it to Kyiv, before it got completely destroyed in like 2 weeks?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        newest PrepHoleope: refuse to do basic math

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine has been outnumbered from the get go, no? Especially in terms of armor and artillery

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        currently ukies have slightly more than Russia, which explains the series of retreats that got memed a few months ago. These new numbers change that substantively

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russia will have an army of 600k in half a year
      Didn't they have around a million soldiers before the invasion?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In Ukraine? No, it's never been above 250k, they invaded with about 150-200k

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >~200K invasion force
      >300K mobilized 2022
      >500K predicted mobilized 2023
      Anon, why do you say only 600K. What happened to the other 400K.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Argentine version is better IIRC.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it was rolled out in the 60s/70s obviously the concept hadn't been quite worked out yet

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >cannon shreds everything russians have short of MBTs
    >"hastily added" Milan shreds all russian MBTs and can be flexibly used in both mounted and dismounted role
    >frontally protected against russkie 30mm
    >causes gays like OP to seethe

    Dunno, looks pretty good to me.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Worse than warrior
    Depends I guess
    Warriors gun calibre is far superior
    Marders cannon has a much better rpm
    Both aren't stabilized
    Both have a bodged on Milan
    Warrior is faster
    Marder is heavier
    Armor on the warrior has proven to be very good, maybe the marder is the same because of the weight
    Warrior has 3rd gen Thermals and good optics I don't think the Marder has 3rd gen? Could be wrong though

    I think the big thing going for the warrior is that it's seen a fuck ton of action in nearly every theatre since its introduction the Marder has seen minimal. The warrior performed very well not as good as a Bradley however but the Marder is pretty much untested in actual combat.

    I'd say the Warrior is probably better.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Marder has proven itself in Afghanistan. They troops liked it and it kept them (mostly) alive even under heavy fire or while getting the shit kicked out of with big boy IEDs. One time one got completely fucked by a 200kg IED. Turned the thing into an unrecoverable wreck. 5 out the 6 crew members survived. It does the job it was designed for just fine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Absaloutely incorrect.
      How many Marders deployed?
      Germany was in the most quiet place possible in Afganistan and managed to have a Marder totally destroyed and 2 seriously damaged.

      It hasn't proven itself at all, it had a small taster of a coin conflict.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        One got damaged by an RPG, one by a mine, the destroyed one got blown up by 200kg worth of explosives. Only the last one resulted in a death. These are good numbers. Doesn't matter if it was in a save part of town. A rpg is a rpg regardless

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How many were deployed?
          For instance 2500ish Bradley's were deployed to Iraq 1 and 2 in total 250 were lost, 350 Warriors deployedto Iraq 1/2 and Afganistan in total 5 were lost.

          There isn't enough data to judge if the Marder is a capable combat vehicle, I guess we will see in Ukraine though.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's only for taxi rides to the front lines

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>non stabilized cannon

    So what? I was in a mechanized infantry/ armoured infantry role for 4 years. There is no situation where we fired on the move.

    When attacking a target the whole area is covered in smoke for your approach while tanks sit in over watch and provide cover. When we get to the target the infantry get out usually within 100m of the enemy trench at which point we they engage due to limited depression and risk of friendly fire.

    The IFV's will then about turn and retreat behind the armour or will sit in place if there is cover available.

    They don't provide any ongoing support on objective because vehicles are clumsy that close and it's more important that they survive so that all teams have a ride home.

    tl;dr, Even MBT's stop to fire, MBT's have the armour and armament for over watch, IFV's don' really need their cannons at all, especially not on the move, armoured infantry tactics remain the same if you're using an IFV or APC.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >was in a mechanized infantry/ armoured infantry role for 4 years. There is no situation where we fired on the move.
      Sounds like your unit doesn’t conduct realistic training. Hell I was in an LAR battalion and the LAVs had no problem firing on the move and did it fairly often. Huge drawback in not being able to fire accurately on the move

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s common practice for the last vehicle on our platoon to have their stabilized cannon pointed to the rear. Sometimes that means firing while still on the move to cover the platoon

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >approaching a target via road

        Have fun with that, we're talking about mechanized warfare with tanks and tracked APC/IFV's not clown cars with oversized wheels.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I never said on road. We could be in a column formation off road and still have a vehicle covering the rear. You’re a clown for arguing the stabilization of a gun isn’t an advantage over a non stabilized one.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >We could be in a column formation off road and still have a vehicle covering the rear.

            This literally never happens, to your rear will be more friendly units, you reverse away from the enemy.

            Tracked IFVs both travel on road and shoot on the move

            My first hand experience says otherwise.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >This literally never happens, to your rear will be more friendly units, you reverse away from the enemy.
              Happens all the time.
              >to your rear there will be friendly units
              ?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >My first hand experience says otherwise.
              Your first hand experience doesn’t count for much. Sounds like you were in a very one dimensional unit that had non-stabilized cannons on their IFVs. I know Bradley gunnery consists of some firing on the move.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >your experience not supporting my theories must mean your unit was trash
                kek

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ikr, he's quite fragile

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >gun stabilization is my theory

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                None of the first generation of IFV's have stabilised guns. Those guns are not there to fire on the advance in both NATO and Soviet doctrine. They are there for two purposes - to provide direct fire support against soft targets after the infantry have dismounted as your tanks and ATGM's are busy on the harder targets. And to provide covering fire while infantry mount up before retreating out of a position.

                No one is training for a world of tanks situation where you just drive around shooting at things while you're on the move in a IFV - you don't carry enough ammunition to waste in that way.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We aren’t on the first generation of IFVs anymore since the bradley was adopted. Sure all the older non stabilized IFVs don’t shoot on the move because they don’t have the ability.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tracked IFVs both travel on road and shoot on the move

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s some third world doctrine right there

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We stomped Saddam with it, go back to your video games.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Retard

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      When I was with Brads they would shoot on the move fairly regularly. There many different scenarios where an IFV might shoot on the move. Not having the ability to do so accurately is a detriment

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You think Bradley could fire accurately on the move? That's cute. You're confusing suppressive fire for effective fire, that's why Bradley has a smaller gun with a higher rate of fire.

        Meanwhile in the real world, the IFV crew on advance to target is solely focused on getting to the objective and getting the troops out. You can't see the enemy because he's covered in smoke.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You think Bradley could fire accurately on the move?
          Yes absolutely. I’ve seen Bradley gunnery so I know how accurate it is on the move. Being able to consistently hit BMP silhouettes at 2,000m while traveling at 35 KPH is standard. I’m sorry you didn’t know that

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Being able to consistently hit BMP silhouettes at 2,000m while traveling at 35 KPH is standard. I’m sorry you didn’t know that

            Walter Mitty, stop larping.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > You can't see the enemy because he's covered in smoke
          That’s not true. Why do you think every target is masked by smoke? Are you again letting your very specific training evolutions shape your entire understanding of how the world works?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That’s not true. Why do you think every target is masked by smoke?

            Because armoured infantry don't dismount troops onto a non obscured target, just as they don't advance without tanks on over watch. We have smoke generators/projectors, mortars, light guns and SPG's on call for this exact reason.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > Because armoured infantry don't dismount troops onto a non obscured target, just as they don't advance without tanks on over watch.
              Not every movement is assaulting an objective retard. You aren’t going to spot a platoon of enemy scout vehicles and then proceed to obscure them with smoke. You just light them up with either 25 or TOWs.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not every movement is assaulting an objective retard.

                Correct, but we're talking specifically about this situation and the need for IFV's and stabilisation in that role.

                >You aren’t going to spot a platoon of enemy scout vehicles and then proceed to obscure them with smoke

                Why would you dismount infantry to fight vehicles? Your scout vehicles/ATGM's/Helicopters/arty and most likely tanks will take them on directly. (from a static position).

                But it’s the exact same vehicle. K2s fire on the move as well. I understand you don’t fully grasp the doctrine of mechanized infantry but you can learn if you do some research

                It's not the exact same vehicle but that's besides the point, it's an entirely different battlefield role, it's not how any NATO IFV's operate.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Correct, but we're talking specifically about this situation and the need for IFV's and stabilisation in that role.
                No, we were talking about stabilized guns being an advantage over non stabilized guns. You’re the one who can only apply it to you’re narrow experience.
                > Why would you dismount infantry to fight vehicles
                You wouldn’t and I didn’t suggest you would. I said you’d just shoot them

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >No, we were talking about stabilized guns being an advantage over non stabilized guns.

                Yeah, there's no advantage if there's no opportunity to use it. IFV's advancing to target are not looking to engage or suppress, that's the job of the other IFV's and tanks parked in overwatch. Once the advacing IFV's have stopped and dismounted they may well engage a target while other formations move to their position around them.

                There is no situation where a western army puts an IFV in a position where it has to engage on the move, because they aren't as lethal as tanks, they aren't as well protected as tanks and they can't multitask like tanks.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There is an advantage. Being able to fire accurately on the move. IFVs aren’t limited to the single scenario you’ve described

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >IFVs aren’t limited to the single scenario you’ve described

                The entire purpose of an APC or IFV is to advance to a target and unload infantry, probably under fire. There is no other reason for them to exist. It is the situation that NATO armoured infantry spend most of their time practicing because guess what, armies main objective is to forcefully take land from an enemy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is incredible cope. Do you think the real world is going to match up completely with your training manual. It won’t. IFVs with stabilized cannons sometimes fire on the move. It just happenes. Not being able to do that is a pretty large disadvantage.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yea I’m not sure why that guy is so defensive. Maybe he’s upset that people agree the bradley is better than the marder?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > There is no situation where a western army puts an IFV in a position where it has to engage on the move
                Source?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                50 years of armoured warfare doctrine, it's really changed very little since the 1970's, there's just some fancier toys around.

                You recon a target, you advance to contact or a firing position with tanks, you engage your target at range, you suppress and obscure the target so IFV/APC's can advance and unload infantry, the infantry take the objective or create an area for more infantry to arrive/casualties to be removed. Tanks, helicopters, artillery and IFV's without movement orders provide fire support.

                Rinse and repeat for every objective the enemy holds, have fresh units rotated in, old units rotated out for rest/refit. Maintain a logistics connection/hub, spread your scouts / secondary forces out to protect your flanks and rear areas.

                ?????

                Win the war. Welcome to how NATO fights while going forward. All nations with armoured infantry practice it and all of them read from the same hymn sheet because our forces are expected to deploy side by side or even within mixed formations.

                You've had more of my time than you deserve, so hopefully you've learnt something, i won't be replying again.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That’s nice but 50 year old doctrine isn’t the law of the land. Shit happens, targets pop up, covered egresses need to happen. Plenty of reasons an IFV would have to shoot while moving. Not having the ability to do so is a marked disadvantage

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > It's not the exact same vehicle but that's besides the point,
                kek it’s the exact same vehicle. The differences are what comm gear it has and how many TOWs it carries. The vehicles, gun, and fcs are identical

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >kek it’s the exact same vehicle.

                >proceeds to list some differences (you missed the float screens, firing ports, optics, and different missile boxes)

                Looks like you don't know what exact means. And as i've already said - they operate in different roles, the vehicles you posted aren't IFV's, they don't practice to operate as IFV's.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My Silverado is different than yours because I changed out the stereo system and added a rear facing camera.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, the issue is that different militaries do things differently. You could spend hours discussing nuances in doctrine, which this would frankly not be the appropriate place to do.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What vehicles? I’ve only ever had experience with the bradley and they seemed to shoot on the move fairly consistently. Movement to contact, react to contact, even during bounding when supported by a non moving Bradley.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the ifv I have personal experience with can’t fire on the move so firing on the move isn’t valid

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >proceeds to post M3 scout Bradleys that aren't IFV's

        I'm not even american and I can tell the difference in vehicles and the difference in roles.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It’s the same gun on the same chassis. It’s firing on the move. The only difference is it carries extra TOWs instead of troops.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Entirely different battlefield roles, which is obvious as we're talking about IFV doctrine when attacking a target. or at least i'm talking about it and you're wasting time and trying to avoid admitting you don't know what you're talking about.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But it’s the exact same vehicle. K2s fire on the move as well. I understand you don’t fully grasp the doctrine of mechanized infantry but you can learn if you do some research

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > I'm not even american and I can tell the difference in vehicles
          Tell us the difference in the vehicle anon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was in an Arty battalion and we had a surprisingly different doctrine.
      The trucks would drop us about 200m away from the objective.
      We'd dosmount and close in on foot and the trucks would support us during our approach with their crew-served weapons.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sshh the krauts are doing something good again after the first few months of being massive cucks. Positive reinforcement this time for stepping up with matching donations of IFVs.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IFVs with stabilized guns fire on the move all the time. Bradleys do it, CV-90 does it, the Newer German ones do it.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >iron pig
    >not a word since 1970
    >absolute pavel cope seething since the delivery was announced

    kek these anti-german degenerates are too obvious

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Should have bought Korean.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not having a stabilized gun is a huge disadvantage for IFVs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not and your a gay never served retard who compares something designed in 1970 to modern variants of similar vehicles cause you're a gigantic gay shill.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yea it’s a huge disadvantage not being able to accurately fire and move. sucks you have to pretend otherwise

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Love seeing the kraut marder gay argue about doctrine based on his few years of conscription.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Book written for 1985, so it misses that the Schwerpunkt concept is outdated and that concentration of forces is now suicidal.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the Schwerpunkt concept is outdated and that concentration of forces is now suicidal.
        Tell us how the Ukrainians broke through in the north without concentrating forces, anon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They concentrated fires rather than forces and advanced in small highly mobile groups of light cav, and also the russians couldn't mount a formidable defense anyhow due to all their concentrated forces and ammo getting eviscerated by artillery, drones, and HIMARS

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are supposed to disperse unless you concentrate to gain local superiority. RTFM.

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