>Noise and vibration problems still plaguing Ajax

>Noise and vibration problems still plaguing Ajax

>The Ministry of Defence say that they are continuing work with General Dynamics to resolve the noise and vibration problems on Ajax while protecting the taxpayers’ interests

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/noise-and-vibration-problems-still-plaguing-ajax/

Just end this disaster and buy something good instead!

  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Armatard gets btfo in a thread
    >Immediately makes a new one in a weak attempt to bash bongs
    Entirely predictable

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's been posting a lot today.
      I wonder why

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/pQQJs7i.jpg

      just buy hanwha redback IFV
      Best protected IFV with lethal fire power, retaining Agile mobility with crew comfort, a Proven digital BMS network that is Simple to operate
      best IFV basically worlds most advanced hands down

      Lol you were wrong, it's the Korea shill

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Armatard is the Korea shill, he was never interested in trying to shill for Korea in the last thread, it was always about shilling against the bongs. He's been doing this shit for years.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          He's both the "Korea shill" and "Armatard going to the Korea threads to counter the Korean shill".
          He samefags and creates "enemy shill posters" for the board to try rally around hating all to push whatever anti western narrative.
          Recently, as in the last year and a bit, he's been pro American, insulting bongs, and lately Koreans.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Recently, as in the last year and a bit, he's been pro American
            Sounds more like you are mixing up Armatard and Warriortards posts, Armatard is just copying the later to shit on Bongs. I really doubt he ever shilled for the US, they are still his #1 focus of hatred, shitting on Bongs is just more like a shortly lived distraction.

            • 2 months ago
              Anonymous

              They are literally the same person anon.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                No they aren’t. I’m warriortard. First post in this thread and I haven’t been active on PrepHole all day. You’re in a bad place mentally.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck off Armatard, be less obvious and someone might fall for your shit next time

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                It just isn’t very good. Military commanders refer to it as….

              • 2 months ago
                Loafiewa

                The m242 25mm chain gun

                Cite your sources!

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                The m242 25mm chain gun

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                And furthermore I’m a little offended you don’t recognize when you’re speaking to me yet. I know exactly who you are anon. I remember every post exchange we’ve ever had going back a couple of months now. I know you have a screenshot from last week of when I revealed myself to you in one thread and you posted it in the other thread. Only you can see me.

              • 2 months ago
                Anonymous

                See now that does sound delusional.
                But you're right it is me.
                Some posting habits are a hard thing to break, it's why AI is so effective at noticing singular people in a sea of words.
                I'm still not convinced you're not also armatard, his sperging is different, but I can also change my posting habits to seem like a different person if I like so it's not too out of the question.
                I dislike people that shit up the board, simple as.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's some hardcore delusions of persecution

            • 2 months ago
              sage

              Hi

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's the same person you dunce. Korea shill isn't Korean. This war Buk broke Armatard so hard even he ditched Russia lmao

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bongbashing is a noble pursuit

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      He's been posting a lot today.
      I wonder why

      Russian media admitted a serious disaster on Kherson front

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    just buy hanwha redback IFV
    Best protected IFV with lethal fire power, retaining Agile mobility with crew comfort, a Proven digital BMS network that is Simple to operate
    best IFV basically worlds most advanced hands down

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine the minister of defense hearing the SCREAMING TANK OF COPE

    >isn't that gonna explode!??!?!?!

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    what's the alternative?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Westernised T72 pulling a armoured trailer for squads.
      Would be too cheap and effective for the mic

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Easy.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    “The 21 AJAX family vehicles (now nicknamed the ‘Invisible Elephant’ as not only were there none at DVD 2022 last week but their manufacturer mysteriously dropped off the Exhibitor List shortly beforehand and also no mention was made of the vehicle in official ministerial speeches at the show) listed as being “in operation in the UK armed forces” have not actually reached Initial Operating Capability yet despite billions having been spent on the project to date, so their inclusion is curious.”

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Just end this disaster and buy something good instead!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >wheeled

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes.
        And since it is notably harder to stabilize a medium caliber gun on a wheeled vehicle than on a tracked one, because of ground pressure and all that, one may wonder how is it possible two of the best companies in the world can't integrate the CTAS 40 on tracked vehicles while Nexter can on the 25 tonnes Jaguar.

        Absolute garbage.

        Scrap Ajax, CTA the Warrior as a stop gap, Buy the Lynx. Fixed.

        >CTA the Warrior as a stop gap
        Anon? Are you aware that was the original plan but Lockheed Martin weren't capable of integrating the CT gun onto the warrior either, just like GDLS UK weren't able to do so on the Ajax?
        Of course both of these guys blamed the gun because reasons.
        By the way they won that battle already since brits will go with both 40 Bofors and 40x180mm, even if KMW were pushing hard for a CTC40-equiped Boxer with the support of Nexter. A Boxer which already equips the british forces.

        But what about France? Well:
        Nexter:
        3 turret designs developed
        >https://www.nexter-group.fr/sites/default/files/fichiers-catalogue-produit/40%20CTA_0.pdf
        Of which 2 are offered as commercial products:
        manned on the Jaguar, derivative of the T40:
        >https://www.nexter-group.fr/sites/default/files/fichiers-catalogue-produit/TOURELLE%2040%20CTA%202%20MANNED_0.pdf
        unmanned, derivative of the Toutatis turret:
        >https://www.nexter-group.fr/sites/default/files/fichiers-catalogue-produit/TOURELLE%2040%20CTA%20TELEOPEREE_1.pdf
        Thalès:
        2 variants of the same turret developed:
        land-based rapidfire:
        >https://defense-update.com/20120611_thales-rapidfire.html
        naval rapidfire:
        >https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/defence-and-security/naval-forces/above-water-warfare/rapidfire

        Funny how the same exact gun works successfully in French hands (including a navalised version, IIRC), but fails completely in British hands.

        >Funny how the same exact gun works successfully in French hands (including a navalised version, IIRC), but fails completely in British hands.
        That is indeed the most strange story anon.
        A 40CTA turret was also installed onto the Patria AMV, pic related.
        Nexter/KMW could have worked on a Boxer 40CT solution, brits refused.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Nexter and Thales make multiple turret versions for the CTAS40
          >They work decently-to-well
          >Bongs refuse to license a turret design from the frogs, because muh national industry
          >Utterly unable to make a functional one
          Many such cases

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Absolute garbage.

      Scrap Ajax, CTA the Warrior as a stop gap, Buy the Lynx. Fixed.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Funny how the same exact gun works successfully in French hands (including a navalised version, IIRC), but fails completely in British hands.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The gun still has the same problems in France. France just don't release their own fuckeries like other countries do.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's not the gun, it's the glorious retardation of trying to put 42 tons of shit on a chassis that has a total maximum weight increase potential of 31 tons.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What is the problem with the Ajax's gun?
        I though only its hull got the vibration problem.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://www.army-technology.com/analysis/ct40-cannon-proven-system-or-cause-of-delays/
          The gun itself is fine, the problem comes with the integration between it and the rest of the vehicle. France sees it as a closed system as far as I could understand it, while the UK wanted a different kind of ammo and subsystems which don't mesh well with the gun.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    These threads are made by men who have never known the touch of a women.
    It stinks of wizard in here.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What could be the cause of vibration and noise problems? Are we talking about a fundamental design flaw rather than a glitch?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They are trying to fix the problem for over two years now

      62. Noise and vibration in the Ajax family of vehicles have both electrical and mechanical origins from the following broad sources:

      (a) Track, suspension and running gear, in particular the tension and sprocket design/track interface.

      (b) Engine and its mounting into the vehicle.

      (c) Quality issues associated with, but not limited to, inconsistent routing of cabling, lack of bonding and weld quality; all of which can lead to potential electromagnetic compatibility issues with communication equipment. As witnessed during trials, insecure components and bolting within the vehicle can also lead to noise and vibration, and again this was noted by ATDU crews.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus. I thought problems like this would be obviated by good basic engineering design and experience. Humans have been making tracked vehicles for a century.
        t. demoralized bong

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This is what yoy get for leaving the EU. At least the fish&chips are now cheaper

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Its the issue with bending over for another company. Could have just had BAE roll out CV90 at their UK holdings with no issues since they are a proven and competent platform but after the last contracts, they are in "nowayfag" town so we went with the Ajax/ASCOD which GDLS went full garden gnome on and didn't bother to test.
          We should just honestly sue GDLS for being turbofags, give BAE the cash and holdings and just go with the current top end CV90s in every facet, including the 40mm BOFORs etc.
          That or just give Rheinmetall a bunch more money to make Boxers and just accept we will operate 1 vehicle platform for 99% of the roles in our military and just get 100% production and maintenance ability.
          Maybe sweeten the deal with a potential KF51 Panther blowjob as well unless BAE can make the CV90 Mk IV legitimately mindblowingly competitive.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, you're clearly not a politician. You are exuding a disturbing amount of honesty and commonsense and bullshit detection.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    2 year procurement process and hungary is already getting ready to field Lynx

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, but this an unproven vehicle vs. the proven and low risk Ajax!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      what are those... for the lack of a better term, rectangular holes in the side?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Housing for the active protection system "guns".

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why the fuck has the puma no aps?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's older, but it has a soft-kill APS.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            puma is already monstrously heavy with "just" the soft-kill, and I imagine there's some element of for-but-not-with involved
            there's also a LOT of them, and upgrading them with hard-kill would cost so much money that civil servants shrivel and die at the concept

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Rheinmetall's StrikeShield

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Embrasures for the musketeers.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Damn, wasn’t the deal signed like 5 months ago?

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why does the Ajax have these issues but not the Griffin. They both use the same chassis right?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ajax weighs about 20% more than the Griffon does. I imagine GDLS didn't bother to factor in the huge weight difference and skimped on the suspension etc by sharing it with the Griffon/ASCOD rather than upgrade it to deal with the extra 14 tonnes of tolerance needed for Scout SV.
      Save a penny and it adds up etc.
      BAE CV90 Mk IV looks better and better with every day. Especially since I'm sure we could scrap the trashfire thats CT40 in return for the 50mm Bushmaster.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Especially since I'm sure we could scrap the trashfire thats CT40 in return for the 50mm Bushmaster.
        which only the bongs are having problems with.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Griffin and Ajax are both variants of the ASCOD but there's probably significant difference between the two despite the common lineage I hope. The Griffin II (MPF)/III (IFV) are almost 40 tons so in about the same range as the jax only IIRC the III could scale up to almost 50 tons. I really like the Griffin III and was shilling for it in another thread but the jax vibration problems made me nervous. So I guess we will see.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      MPF make me irrationally angry. It's a lightly armored 105 that's bigger than an Abrams. Still using manual loader in TYOOL 2022. I have no idea what the army saw in this over AGS.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Agree. IBCT's definitely needed a direct fire cannon so it's better than nothing but they easily could have gotten something better. Honestly they should have done a m256/xm360 in a low profile unmanned turret + bustle autoloader and 3 men in the hull. It would have been more expensive though. Pretty sure they did this thing the way they did for the cost savings.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          no reason they can't upgrade it later.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's a very conservative design. But then again, they were the only competitor left after BAE got disqualified with their XM8 for missing deadlines.
        I don't know how they are going to do logistics on it. IBCT has no organic wreckers that can deal with the MPFs weight of 38 tons, so they will have to scrounge some M88s from somewhere

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    british procurement is in exactly the same state as american procurement. this should suprise no one, as it's the same fucking contractors responsible for it all.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Get a CV90.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah get a Bradley.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can someone give me a QRD on this and the possible alternatives?

    Is this the supposed warrior replacement? But it's far too heavy for its suspension/chassis so fucks it all up and is hence way delayed and overbudget?

    Why not just go to BAE and build nice modern CV90s with the latest and greatest upgrades in the UK to keep all that money in the country. I don't know much about IFVs but there must be plenty of comparable ones to choose from (Redback/CV90/Boxer/Puma/whatever is replacing the Bradley/Patria/Lynx/Ascod) that could easily be customised to meet their criteria and not suck up vast quantities of time and cash and never get any export success.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >But it's far too heavy for its suspension/chassis so fucks it all up and is hence way delayed and overbudget
      The vibrations are so bad they damage the internal electronics and fucked the gun stability in addition to physically injuring the passengers and giving them tinnitus. They'd be lucky to only have the issues were being over budget and/or delayed lol. The thing itself is fucked.
      They might be able to go back and see if BAE is still willing to produce them in the UK, pretty sure after the ajax was selected they offered to move production from Sweden to try and clinch the contract. If not then the American Griffin III may be an option later on, its developed from the ASCOD same as ajax but doesn't suffer from the vibrations to my knowledge and being a similar chassis might be easier to integrate their meme 40mm cannon on.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ajax is the CVRT replacement (lmao)

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Shame, CVRT is literally my favourite tank.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeh same,
          Boxer replaces Warrior
          Ajax replaces CVRT

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cancel Ajax, buy more Boxer.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They should just buy the Lynx and modify them to their liking. It shares parts with the Boxer and Rheinmetall already has factories there. It would also be a good political move unless the UKs government relies on anti Germaness for votes

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It would also be a good political move unless the UKs government relies on anti Germaness for votes
        Unlike the Puma Rheinmetall and to that extant RBSL owns the rights to the Lynx entirely so they could peddle it as british

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Outside of getting some British supplier on board there isn't much to do.
          But unlike the CV90 there is a Rheinmetall production line in place in the UK.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's not a bug. That's a feature.

    t. Todd Howard

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Hey Armatard, has it been 5 minutes already? How has the T-90 been preforming in Kerson? When can we expect to see the revolutionary new T-14 shrugging off Javelin hits like they're nothing? How's the KA50 coping with all the 1980's vintage (lol) MANPADS the Ukies are throwing at them? When can we expect to see the glorious conscripts waves arriving in Kyiv?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      He could be the Armatard but truthfully the Ajax does have some serious issues and they would be better off just cancelling it and getting the Cv90 or more boxers tbh

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the M-16 does have some serious issues and they would be better off just cancelling it and getting the FNC or more M14's tbh
        >the Bradley does have some serious issues and they would be better off just cancelling it and getting the Fuchs or more M113's tbh
        >the F35 does have some serious issues and they would be better off just cancelling it and getting the Eurofighter or more F-15's tbh

        I'm not saying it doesn't have issues, but I still think you're going over the top there.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    F in chat for Ajax (and probably Tempest too).

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      So rather than the Mitsubishi F-X latching on to Tempest it's gonna be the other way around now?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tempest had future funding mapped out and worked into the defence budget before this latest rise. The only stuff under threat from this reversal (doubt it would happen) is stuff that didn't even get announced yet.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >naming a tank after a guy who killed himself

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