that's pretty much any metal, anon galvanic corrosion spares no one
most metals don't do it as quickly as copper, though - unironically would have probably worked better if they let it oxidize first since copper oxide is protective
one day i dream of silicon-hulled boats
corrode through solid rock (SiO2), seawater electrolytic b***hes
Pretty sure anon means that it was iron with a copper sheath resulting in galvanic corrosion occurring at a very fast rate. Basically doing the opposite of what a sacrificial anode does.
I think the bigger problem by far was that when it fired its guns it spun around at dizzying speeds, throwing the crew about the deck while being entirely combat ineffective since the world around you is now a blur and you're too motion sick to do anything other than vomit anyways.
Let's be honest here, is this really such a far-fetched notion when we're talking about something Russians made? 18th century Russians no less?
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Look at where the guns are located and the size of them relative to the rest of the ship, there's no way they were causing it to spin out of control when fired. They could rotate on the spot reasonably quickly by using their screws which reportedly caused some discomfort and seasickness which doesn't really surprise me. There's plenty of real things to meme about the Russians and their contraptions without making things up and spreading them as fact
1 year ago
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Fair enough. I swear I heard stories of them rotating on their own (meaning without crew input) at least, generally being unwieldly in combat.
Conservation of angular momentum anon
Math and physics are hard, man
1 year ago
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>Fair enough. I swear I heard stories of them rotating on their own (meaning without crew input) at least, generally being unwieldly in combat.
they definitely had trouble staying pointed in the right direction and firing a gun would cause enough movement to make shooting the other annoying. they were pretty stable in calm water iirc, but were easily influenced by waves and stuff
1 year ago
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Conservation of angular momentum anon
1 year ago
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I also am willing to believe fantasies if it fits my propagandist narrative
1 year ago
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>18th century
19th moron. 18th century is the 1700s
1 year ago
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Yeah that's my bad. I was debating blaming it on a typo to save face since 8 and 9 are right next to each other, but I really just didn't check if I'm being honest.
>Why was it copper sheathed?
The same reason many boats today use copper anti-fouling paint. It keeps off the worst of the barnacles, kelp, etc when you're in the water for a long time.
Fair enough. I swear I heard stories of them rotating on their own (meaning without crew input) at least, generally being unwieldly in combat.
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Math and physics are hard, man
Not that anon, but I absolutely believe it would rotate somewhat while underway. It has literally zero resistance to rotation in its hullform, so it'd be really hard to keep it on a straight track when steaming along, especially in rough weather.
1 year ago
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Despite it's issues (or rather because of them), I do still want one though. I imagine the cir/k/le would be fun to pilot.
1 year ago
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If we put a big enough cannon offset to one side, we can make the /k/arousel real.
1 year ago
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We could arrange 4 of them like a swastika shape and fire them off in quick succession to turn our vessel into the world's largest beyblade.
1 year ago
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I feel that would work better if we gave it a large pointed bottom and we did it on arctic ice.
That sounds fricking hilarious but I need historic citation on that.
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Russia wasn't braindead yet in the 1800s, it's in the 1900s where everything would start going completely to shit for them.
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Why was it copper sheathed?
Copper kills off the barnacles and other pests that would eat the wood. It would rust but Copper Oxide is actually fairly durable so you'd end up with this green layer of patina that would protect the rest of the copper.
>Line the outter edge with cannons >Enemy Ship Spotted! >Give the ship a good spin >Fire each cannon as it comes around on target >By the time a rotation is completed, the cannons are reloaded and ready to fire again
And thus we could have had the largest gatling gun in history.
No. Well yes. But no. That's not an offshore naval battery but offshore naval batteries did exist and were very useful.
Fort Drum in the Phillipines, for example, was basically a small warship made on concrete and built on this tiny stub of an island. During WW2 the Japanese failed to even kill a single soldier manning the fort with bombardments while the fort was a massive pain in the ass to work around. Eventually, the US soldiers gave up when the rest of the garrison surrendered.
The Japanese then held the island for ~3 years until the US Army cleared the roof, poured gas down the air vents, and set the entire thing on fire. The soldiers couldn't get into the fort for 5 days.
Sweet Jesus, that's not a boat that's a raft.
We sail for Ukranya at dawn, men.
Careful, I heard they have torpedo boats.
*Panics and shoots unsuccessfully at a Norwegian fishing boat*
considering recent events at Sevastopol this is fricking gold
>Kamchatka finally made 8.8 jiggaknots
>still not in time to warn futuretsar putin of dastardly anglo bomb bote plot
Wait, wasn't this also the Ironclad which also copper sheathed, so when it sails in the salty sea it forms a circuit that corrodes its own hull?
wobbles like a motherfricker in any sort of waves too
that's pretty much any metal, anon galvanic corrosion spares no one
most metals don't do it as quickly as copper, though - unironically would have probably worked better if they let it oxidize first since copper oxide is protective
one day i dream of silicon-hulled boats
corrode through solid rock (SiO2), seawater electrolytic b***hes
Pretty sure anon means that it was iron with a copper sheath resulting in galvanic corrosion occurring at a very fast rate. Basically doing the opposite of what a sacrificial anode does.
>corrode through solid rock
concrete ships were a thing, and they lasted a really long time. IIRC some of the WW2 concrete ships still exist.
I think the bigger problem by far was that when it fired its guns it spun around at dizzying speeds, throwing the crew about the deck while being entirely combat ineffective since the world around you is now a blur and you're too motion sick to do anything other than vomit anyways.
No they didn't, that's the same sort of nonsense as when people say the Iowas moved sideways when they fired a full broadside from their 16" rifles.
Let's be honest here, is this really such a far-fetched notion when we're talking about something Russians made? 18th century Russians no less?
Look at where the guns are located and the size of them relative to the rest of the ship, there's no way they were causing it to spin out of control when fired. They could rotate on the spot reasonably quickly by using their screws which reportedly caused some discomfort and seasickness which doesn't really surprise me. There's plenty of real things to meme about the Russians and their contraptions without making things up and spreading them as fact
Fair enough. I swear I heard stories of them rotating on their own (meaning without crew input) at least, generally being unwieldly in combat.
Math and physics are hard, man
>Fair enough. I swear I heard stories of them rotating on their own (meaning without crew input) at least, generally being unwieldly in combat.
they definitely had trouble staying pointed in the right direction and firing a gun would cause enough movement to make shooting the other annoying. they were pretty stable in calm water iirc, but were easily influenced by waves and stuff
Conservation of angular momentum anon
I also am willing to believe fantasies if it fits my propagandist narrative
>18th century
19th moron. 18th century is the 1700s
Yeah that's my bad. I was debating blaming it on a typo to save face since 8 and 9 are right next to each other, but I really just didn't check if I'm being honest.
That sounds fricking hilarious but I need historic citation on that.
Russia wasn't braindead yet in the 1800s, it's in the 1900s where everything would start going completely to shit for them.
Why was it copper sheathed?
>Why was it copper sheathed?
The same reason many boats today use copper anti-fouling paint. It keeps off the worst of the barnacles, kelp, etc when you're in the water for a long time.
Not that anon, but I absolutely believe it would rotate somewhat while underway. It has literally zero resistance to rotation in its hullform, so it'd be really hard to keep it on a straight track when steaming along, especially in rough weather.
Despite it's issues (or rather because of them), I do still want one though. I imagine the cir/k/le would be fun to pilot.
If we put a big enough cannon offset to one side, we can make the /k/arousel real.
We could arrange 4 of them like a swastika shape and fire them off in quick succession to turn our vessel into the world's largest beyblade.
I feel that would work better if we gave it a large pointed bottom and we did it on arctic ice.
Copper kills off the barnacles and other pests that would eat the wood. It would rust but Copper Oxide is actually fairly durable so you'd end up with this green layer of patina that would protect the rest of the copper.
Inherently stable design
Not just a raft, a STEAM raft!
I can't help but imagine it fidget spinning its way across the sea.
my body is ready
>Line the outter edge with cannons
>Enemy Ship Spotted!
>Give the ship a good spin
>Fire each cannon as it comes around on target
>By the time a rotation is completed, the cannons are reloaded and ready to fire again
And thus we could have had the largest gatling gun in history.
Offshore naval battery? We're these useful?
No. Well yes. But no. That's not an offshore naval battery but offshore naval batteries did exist and were very useful.
Fort Drum in the Phillipines, for example, was basically a small warship made on concrete and built on this tiny stub of an island. During WW2 the Japanese failed to even kill a single soldier manning the fort with bombardments while the fort was a massive pain in the ass to work around. Eventually, the US soldiers gave up when the rest of the garrison surrendered.
The Japanese then held the island for ~3 years until the US Army cleared the roof, poured gas down the air vents, and set the entire thing on fire. The soldiers couldn't get into the fort for 5 days.