Next month I'm starting a 3 month long camping/traveling trip to Denali, Katmai, Kenai Fjords, and Lake Clark national parks.

Next month I'm starting a 3 month long camping/traveling trip to Denali, Katmai, Kenai Fjords, and Lake Clark national parks. PART of the trip is guided, but not all of it. I do have bear spray packed, but also own a little ruger lcr 357 snubby revolver that I plan to pack with. Is it moronic, given the length of the trip, to instead purchase another packing pistol? There won't be any hunting during this trip. I have other guns but they're either pocket pistols or a 20" shotgun I'm not lugging around for weeks at a time.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There are very few animals that can survive getting shot 6 times with a .357. You're more likely to sprain your ankle, so bring wraps and Tylenol.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Never a bad time for another gun if you can afford to purchase and practice with it.

      >There are very few animals that can survive getting shot 6 times with a .357
      Yes, and they're almost all living in Alaska, where OP is going. We're talking about Alaskan salmon fed, coastal grizzly bears getting upwards of a thousand pounds. I would trust a snubnosed .357 5 shot revolver to be the answer, if the answer could instead be a 19 shot 9mm or 6 shot .44 magnum.

      If you are comfortable shooting the LCR it will be more than sufficient.
      If you aren't considering hunting then all shots will be within 15yd and even then that is pushing it.
      I would feel comfortable with the LCR and I would even consider it over other options due to it's size and weight.

      This is the one situation I wouldn't accept the "any gun works" ideology. These are the most dangerous animals in North America and he's going during their most active months of the year. IF you want to take a gun, take one suited for 1,000lb brown bears, as well as massive fricking moose.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn't* trust a snubnosed-

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you are comfortable shooting the LCR it will be more than sufficient.
    If you aren't considering hunting then all shots will be within 15yd and even then that is pushing it.
    I would feel comfortable with the LCR and I would even consider it over other options due to it's size and weight.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The revolver is enough in my opinion.
    Have a good trip

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >muh bear caliber
      https://www.ammoland.com/2023/11/handgun-defenses-against-bears-170-documented-incidents-98-effective/

      Ehhhh, I have to agree with the other anon. If op said he had a full size 4-5" .357 with special purpose ammo, I'd say that'd be perfect. If he said he had a full size cz75 and good deep penetrating ammo, even better. On the buffalo-bore website, their first hand account of .357 failing to kill a bear was using hollow points, not hardcasts. A snubby .357 won't get the powder burn it needs for some of the largest grizzlies in the world.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >muh bear caliber
    https://www.ammoland.com/2023/11/handgun-defenses-against-bears-170-documented-incidents-98-effective/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And yet .44 magnum is the most popular and proven. .357 magnum had failed to stop 2 bears, one of which was a "success" because the bear retreated after the guy had his face ripped off, the other was shot directly in the open mouth point blank and not killed, according to the updated version of your article.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I do have bear spray packed, but also own a little ruger lcr 357 snubby revolver that I plan to pack with.
    Good, so long as you get the right ammo.

    >Is it moronic, given the length of the trip, to instead purchase another packing pistol?
    Depends on what you were thinking of getting and how affordable it would be for you. Assuming that you're not moronic and don't do something like try to pick up a bear cub for a photo, the odds of needing any defensive option against a bear are extremely slim, the odds of bear spray not working are even slimmer, the chance that a bear won't bolt as soon as you fire anything regardless of whether or not you hit it are slim, and the chance that a bear won't bolt if you actually hit it with a bullet from anything are tiny. If you want an excuse to buy a .44 or a 10mm then "hiking in Alaska" is a pretty good one but I wouldn't say that you NEED either of them as opposed to the .357 you already own.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the chance that a bear won't bolt as soon as you fire anything regardless of whether or not you hit it are slim, and the chance that a bear won't bolt if you actually hit it with a bullet from anything are tiny
      I have to disagree, many of brown bear attacks you see involve bears continuing the attack after getting shot.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >cherry picked videos on the internet are reflective of reality.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >cherry picked pictures on the internet are reflective of reality

          https://i.imgur.com/VqGSlO2.jpeg

          Sure and for a shirt period of time the largest bear ever recorded was killed with a .22lr.

          If you thing that's really an issue enough to care about though OP should have an SBR 12.7 AR15 with a collapsing stock. But he doesn't want that so any gat with the way more important bear mace is plenty for pretty much anything out there.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the odds of needing any defensive option against a bear are extremely slim
      Possibly, but when you're going during salmon migration season and you're in close proximity to rivers, you're rolling those dice a lot.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Possibly, but when you're going during salmon migration season and you're in close proximity to rivers, you're rolling those dice a lot.
        Eh. In my experience bears around rivers during the run give the least fricks of all about humans because they're all single-mindedly pigging out and in places where they do this in proximity to humans that's doubled up because they're well aware of what bear spray is. A bear away from the river is way sketchier.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP - whatever you settle on, just be sure you have it on your hip the entire time. Packing it into your rucksack for the trip will mean that the one time you need it because you're being charged down by a bear that's 30ft away that you didn't see, it's buried inside your rucksack.
    Have it at immediate notice always.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Take it from someone who lived in Alaska for half a decade and worked in law enforcement for half of that: your biggest threat there will be other humans, not the animals. By all means have a good defense weapon for the bears and the moose (spray is good for most bear encounters, but DO NOT use it on moose. It will only piss them off). However, I highly recommend you also pack another weapon of your choice that you're most confident with to defend yourself from crackheads and other violent sorts, ESPECIALLY near the oozing abscess on the Earth that is Anchorage. There's no one to help you out in the Alaskan wilderness and those bastards know it.
    That said, it's a beautiful state, and I hope you enjoy it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, any gun that'll drop a bear should drop a crackhead.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2014/07/18/alaska-man-shoots-kills-aggressive-bear-hi-point-pistol/

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Hi-Point .45-caliber pistol and shot the bear seven times
      So again, 7 rounds of .45 have a better chance at penetrating sufficiently than 5 rounds from a snub nose barrel.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nice try, what it really demonstrates is that any shitty gun will do. Especially when you consider that the average 230gr loading of .45acp generates 356 foot pounds of force whereas the average 158gr loading of .357 magnum generates 539 foot pounds of force.

        Someone post the pic of the grizzly bear skull from Slave Lake, Alberta that is full of holes from .22lr.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the average 158gr loading of .357 magnum generates 539 foot pounds of force
          Not from a 1.75in barrel.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Someone post the pic of the grizzly bear skull from Slave Lake, Alberta that is full of holes from .22lr
          I love when people post this, because it's so easy to argue against. A single incident where a woman with a .22 rifle took 10+ well aimed, point blank shots to a bear she luckily managed to knock unconscious with one of her shots doesn't really mean you'll also get a headshot on a moving bear trying to kill you, knock it unconscious, and fill it with holes from point blank range.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >foot pounds of force
          Pounds is a unit of force.
          Foot pounds is not.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Black Bear is 700 ft/lbs of energy minimum.

          Grizzly is 1100 minimum.

          You aim to cripple it. Especially in a self defense situation.
          T. Alaskan

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they have blacks in alaska?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    G20
    Buffalo bore hardcasts

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Denali
    >need gun?
    Yeah, you need a trail gun.
    > 357?
    It's good if you don't have a 44 mag
    Story tiem
    > be me
    > in Alaska's Kenai peninsula for the salmon run
    > limit out on Kings
    > what next? fly-in fishing
    > float plane into lake in crater of Denali's neighbor
    > brilliant blue water
    > snowmelt is feeding lake
    > where snowmelt enters lake the water is absurdly clear
    > there, right there, throw a hook, you'll yank a fish almost instantly
    > It's hot, guide has cooler full of cold beer
    > have to piss
    > nudge boat to shore
    > walk across a trail to a shitter shed 15 yards inland
    > walk back to boat
    > a few moments later a cub came bouncing out of the woods and stood on the trail 10 yards to left
    > that "trail" I walked across was a bear trail
    > guide: we need to move away
    > huh?
    > a few seconds later, 30 yards down the bank, a momma bear came thundering onto the trail
    > 20 yards to our right
    > we were not quite between momma and cub
    > whoops
    > momma bear calls cub, cub responds
    Had we been on land, we'd have been fricked. (we were in a boat and quickly moved away)
    Bears are big, move faster than you think, and will frick you up with one swipe of the paw.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I carry the exact same gun and I had one on me when up in Tahoe because of black bears. Came about 15 ft away from a mother and her cubs crossing the trail in front of me. Apparently they stalked our group because we saw them run into the woods a hundred yards or so back. People feed them, is the issue.

      That said, I wouldn't trust that same snubby against a coastal grizzly bear. Others are right about powder burn, either get a full size gp100 or some .44 or semi auto.

      Finding out a gator outswims my jon boat made me nearly shit myself, imagine learning that a grizzly will too by being chased by one into the water.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bring shit tons of bug spray. Strongest DDT you can find
    Those mosquitos will carry you off if you let them

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm from Alabama, I don't think it can get any worse.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ya, I live in Florida. I'm telling you that you have never experienced Alaskan skeeters. I went in June and it was hell. Imagine kicking a bit of crusty snow and having a cloud of mosquitos fly up from under it. They are built different. I'd invest in a mosquito net for you face if I were you

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >have never experienced Alaskan skeeters
          This.
          Bugs in Alaska are XBOX HUEG
          Also, if you get a chance, watch a Golden Eagle.
          > fishing in Alaska for kings
          > limit-reached.jpg
          > time to clean
          > have the guide do that
          > drink-beer.mov
          > guide throws salmon guts over into a pile
          > "what's that for?"
          > "you'll see"
          > in a minute or two, a bald eagle swoops down and starts eating
          > cool
          > 5 minutes later, a Golden Eagle swooped down
          > that bird was fricking huge, talons that would frick you up.
          > bald eagles flew away, watching from a distance
          > gold eagle ate what it wanted and flew off
          > bald eagles came back to eat what was left

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The only remedy to Alaskan mosquitos, is buying a thermacell. They rock. And a mosquito net for night time.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tbh almost any gat will be fine

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Almost, but not one of the most compromised guns in the world. 5 shots of .357 have sometimes failed to drop humans, let alone fricking 1,000lb bears.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sure and for a shirt period of time the largest bear ever recorded was killed with a .22lr.

        If you thing that's really an issue enough to care about though OP should have an SBR 12.7 AR15 with a collapsing stock. But he doesn't want that so any gat with the way more important bear mace is plenty for pretty much anything out there.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >for a shirt period of time the largest bear ever recorded was killed with a .22lr
          You sound moronic and pedantic. See

          >Someone post the pic of the grizzly bear skull from Slave Lake, Alberta that is full of holes from .22lr
          I love when people post this, because it's so easy to argue against. A single incident where a woman with a .22 rifle took 10+ well aimed, point blank shots to a bear she luckily managed to knock unconscious with one of her shots doesn't really mean you'll also get a headshot on a moving bear trying to kill you, knock it unconscious, and fill it with holes from point blank range.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You know that doesn't disregard anything I said right? If OP is scared of having to fight a bear OP should have a gun that is designed for dropping large game and not a hand gun, but OP wants a hand gun so it doesn't really matter what he has. And tbh the bear mace is more than enough to wave off anything with legs so who cares?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Actually a man killed a bear by shoving his arm down it's throat and choking it to death. Needing a gun is insecure and cope.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's ammo selection more than anything.

      b***h on the matsu highway took down a black Bear with her 380 pocket pistol. She had underwood ammo in it.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Buy a 10mm auto and proper ammo for it. Hard cast stuff, or full copper. 357 won't stop a grizzly unless you really know what you are doing. 357 will stop Black Bear.
    >T lifelong alaskagay

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When the alternative is ending up like this guy or worse, I'll take nothing short of .44 or .454, which killed the bear that tore his face off. The people itt saying .357 from a snubby are ones that have never seen a 10ft tall grizzly up close before. It's horrifying.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Forgot pic

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    At an ABSOLUTE MININUM, get hardcast bullets.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bear spray man. Statically superior to any hand cannon against aggressive mammalians

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Statically superior to any hand cannon against aggressive mammalians
      To any BEARS* do NOT use it on moose or anything else.

      Also it's not statistically superior, in fact it's statistically INFERIOR and should only be used as a first defense. See

      https://i.imgur.com/szv3J0C.jpeg

      And yet .44 magnum is the most popular and proven. .357 magnum had failed to stop 2 bears, one of which was a "success" because the bear retreated after the guy had his face ripped off, the other was shot directly in the open mouth point blank and not killed, according to the updated version of your article.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP will you be tent camping? Sounds spooky don’t get mauled in the middle of the night.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just get a full size 357.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Magazine fed 9mm and up will work but you absolutely need to use a hard cast loading

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get a Redhawk. You can always sell it when you're done.

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