Life is the Monke's currency, spend it well.
Or at least spend it as well as anything is spent in Russia. If they've only lost 50% with poor results, that's actually pretty good by Russian standards.
Common sense will dictate survivors and deserters are a negligible proportion of the total. Or are you really claiming this massive slope is in any way affected by contracts running out and deserters?
>Common sense will dictate survivors (...) are a negligible proportion of the total.
what kind of vatnik dimension is this?
normally you would say that fatalities are small but very visible proportion of the total losses and most losses are infact survivors - the wounded for example....
Wounded count as casualties and losses, so neither post makes any sense. In any case, as pointed out by
Just answer the fucking question instead of being so inanely defensive. I actually don't know what the leaks said. Also, actual losses would be even higher than the slope so your posts doesn't even make sense. After all, they were recruiting the entire time.
Just answer the fucking question instead of being so inanely defensive. I actually don't know what the leaks said. Also, actual losses would be even higher than the slope so your posts doesn't even make sense. After all, they were recruiting the entire time.
So based on this, Russia is going to win, right? They have x2 the amount of armoured vehicles, 1000 more artillery pieces (minimum), more troops, more tanks....
>curve of manpower looks like a Z that fell over
You can’t make this shit up
This is bait but it makes me feel like replying. If they couldn’t win with massive advantages in all four categories, they aren’t winning with much smaller advantages in 2 categories.
The force difference isn't high enough to win an offensive war. If you want to win on someone else's home turf you better bring 4x or more superiority.
This ratio can be changed with technologies and , to a lesser degree, strategy. But Russia has no advantage in either of those.
> Russia is going to win, right? They have x2 the amount of armoured vehicles
Well, they had X16 the amount of armoured vehicles. Can you spell "trend"?
this has to be a troll post. no one on earth is this dumb. >i started with 7x and i still have 2x a year in! that means I'm winning!
my man learn how to read a trend line if you really think this
Yes, that's the view of Christopher G. Cavoli, Supreme Allied Commander Europe.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-army-bigger-than-start-ukraine-war-us-general-2023-4 >"The air force has lost very little. They've lost 80 planes — they have another 1,000 fighters and fighter-bombers. The Navy has lost one ship"
Because they'll lose more. It's just that simple. Perhaps they're saving them for the counter-offensive. Or there is little munitions for them. As far as I know they just lob missiles and gliding bombs these days.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Perhaps they're saving them for the counter-offensive.
Anon... the counter offensive is over, it died on the steps of Vuhledar.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
He means saving it to use on Ukraine when they attack.
Russia probably has orders of magnitude more planes than pilots.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I had a guy in Norway who used to be in the air force. He said that out of every 100 guys who applied, only two ended up making it as pilots. So I assume that is the same everywhere. Being a pilot is actually really hard and requires a lot of work. Since machines are infinitely more complex than they were in WW2 you can't just do a 6 week crash course and perform alright.
Lack of skilled pilots and SEAD capability probably. Baofeng based communications would probably mean than any larger scale air operation will end in number of returning planes getting fratricided by their own AA.
After their losses were counted they somehow increased Russia’s power level. I don’t know how that happens.
I had a guy in Norway who used to be in the air force. He said that out of every 100 guys who applied, only two ended up making it as pilots. So I assume that is the same everywhere. Being a pilot is actually really hard and requires a lot of work. Since machines are infinitely more complex than they were in WW2 you can't just do a 6 week crash course and perform alright.
Especially given how inept Russians are, the ratio is probably even smaller.
>The Navy has lost one ship
retarded shit like this is why nobody trusts the western propaganda. there is video evidence for the sinking of multiple russian ships, hell they lost 3 at berdyansk alone.
>they have another 1,000 fighters and fighter-bombers
Translation: >fucking russians, at this rate there's no way that the USAF can justify the NGAD to Congress if they and the chinks turn to be paper tigers that cannot even do SEAD
In the 2nd chechen or Georgia war (don't member which one) Russia found out if they want to fly bomber sorties 24/7, they can only muster 4 simultaneous bombers cause lack of pilots.
They mostly have useless dumb bombs/rockets so they can't fly without SEAD. The VVS couldn't destroy all SAM systems and the kalibr/shaheds spam couldn't deplete the SAM.
Yes, that's the view of Christopher G. Cavoli, Supreme Allied Commander Europe.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-army-bigger-than-start-ukraine-war-us-general-2023-4 >"The air force has lost very little. They've lost 80 planes — they have another 1,000 fighters and fighter-bombers. The Navy has lost one ship"
I just don't get why they aren't flying them then.
Because they'll lose more. It's just that simple. Perhaps they're saving them for the counter-offensive. Or there is little munitions for them. As far as I know they just lob missiles and gliding bombs these days.
>shells available
Closely keep secret >air force
Russia should have majority of it's airframes intact, but it's hard to estimate what's the wear on them vs maintenance capabilities and the number of pilots. UA lost majority of theirs
Than how come since the mobilization only Russia has been making gains? If you apply some critical thinking you can figure out these graphs are horse shit
Do you see how the russian infantry graph shoots up, and then starts quickly declining again? Yeah, that's the reason. They paid for those square kilometers with thousands of their soldiers' lives.
And you do realize Russia might as well have an unlimited number of reservists they can call compared to the Ukraine? This isn't Russia's first rodeo, and I'm quite sure not even China could match Russia's numbers, especially counting their willingness to defend their country
This IS Russia's first rodeo in a war of aggression where they don't hold a decisive military advantage. The previous time was back with USSR and Afghanistan. How'd that go?
If you ignore the propaganda and only look at the facts, what do you see since december? >Soledar captured >Bakhmut is slowly being captured by brutal, street to street urban war, encirclement failed >Vuhledar and Avdiivka offensives failed, huge equipment losses for Russia >All other fronts static, despite Russia's apparent superiority
That does not paint a picture that shows Russian forces in a good light, no matter what the media on both sides say
The fronts are static because Russia has been focusing on building extensive fortifications on their side. They've also been saving their hardware and missiles for something big. Once summer kicks in we'll see how things play out
>They've also been saving their hardware and missiles for something big.
You people have been saying that since the convoy of death turned into a giant traffic jam.
Huh, I wonder why they've been digging in. Might have something to do with them pissing away their offensive capabilities. Or being afraid of Ukrainian ones.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
We had this thing called winter. It's all the work of newly mobilized men, and all good armies never have their men sitting idly by.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, good armies send their men to die in meat waves. Also, Vuhledar proves russians don't care about time of the year if they really want to try an offensive.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>We had this thing called winter.
Which is where Bakhmut Of Two Weeks, The Vuhledar Catastrophe, and Avdiivka Abandonment occurred within. These were no small movements of Russian men and material, and we know for a fact the 155th in particular was revived several times over by newly minted mobilized. Who then all went on to die as well. >It's all the work of newly mobilized men
Actually quite the opposite. The mobilized tend to be consumed immediately on entry (again, see Vuhledar for details) while those veteran units adjacent to such "festivities" appear to have sufficient clout (read: actual mutiny potential) to avoid being involved .
Which is to say these fabulous defensive arrangements are staffed mainly by people who cannot be trusted to reliably reach outside their FOB and attack Ukrainian positions with any real vigor.
I'm sure when they're actually under pressure and their lines of communication are being cut the moral will improve and they won't abandon their posts.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>russian army went on strike after only 1 year
and people thought the french were pussies.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>, and all good armies never have their men sitting idly by.
The mobiks sure put in the work at Vuhledar.
Wasn't the UK sending 28? I know they are likely going to send 50 in total (because 50 is the ones they planned to mothball because lol no money) so that makes more sense.
>600 tanks
this is only increase - we don't know how many tanks were lost in that time - and probably main supplier is Russia itself with Poland in second place with around 300 t72s in various versions of upgrades (most m1rs - upgraded nightvision/optics and comms only)
Huh... that's actually a good point.
The graph should show big jumps in fall of last year, when Russia kindly donated Kharkiv back and included the tanks stationed there.
Holy shit that curve on Russian infantry strength. That's actually hilarious, they really did just mulch mobiks by the truck load.
And this Tank Gap. Sweet God. And this will still be getting worse for Russia.
Life is the Monke's currency, spend it well.
Or at least spend it as well as anything is spent in Russia. If they've only lost 50% with poor results, that's actually pretty good by Russian standards.
This curve reminds me of picrel. Someone could edit it to show monke drifting over his own troops.
Yeah, no thanks. Lets not pollute the world with even more shitty wojacks
According to that, Russia has taken at least 500K casualties. How many did the undoctored leaks say again?
It says losses not casualties. Remember, there are some whose contracts have expired, there are desertions and so on.
Common sense will dictate survivors and deserters are a negligible proportion of the total. Or are you really claiming this massive slope is in any way affected by contracts running out and deserters?
>Common sense will dictate survivors (...) are a negligible proportion of the total.
what kind of vatnik dimension is this?
normally you would say that fatalities are small but very visible proportion of the total losses and most losses are infact survivors - the wounded for example....
Wounded count as casualties and losses, so neither post makes any sense. In any case, as pointed out by
, the entire post doesn't make any sense.
Just answer the fucking question instead of being so inanely defensive. I actually don't know what the leaks said. Also, actual losses would be even higher than the slope so your posts doesn't even make sense. After all, they were recruiting the entire time.
>not noticing the left side of the graph showing them mulching their professional soldiers by the truck load
So this is the power of the second best army in the world... Impressive...
Theres no way the difference in fielded tanks is that low between the two
nah it's credible
?t=531
if you told me half the thing's we're seeing now were true a year ago, i would tell you to take your meds.
i think we all globally forgot to take or medication, this timeline is schizophrenic.
Lines up with the leaks
So based on this, Russia is going to win, right? They have x2 the amount of armoured vehicles, 1000 more artillery pieces (minimum), more troops, more tanks....
based on the beginning of that chart, russia should've won a long time ago. but they didn't.
>curve of manpower looks like a Z that fell over
You can’t make this shit up
This is bait but it makes me feel like replying. If they couldn’t win with massive advantages in all four categories, they aren’t winning with much smaller advantages in 2 categories.
The force difference isn't high enough to win an offensive war. If you want to win on someone else's home turf you better bring 4x or more superiority.
This ratio can be changed with technologies and , to a lesser degree, strategy. But Russia has no advantage in either of those.
> Russia is going to win, right? They have x2 the amount of armoured vehicles
Well, they had X16 the amount of armoured vehicles. Can you spell "trend"?
>more troops
too much of a give away at this being bait
this has to be a troll post. no one on earth is this dumb.
>i started with 7x and i still have 2x a year in! that means I'm winning!
my man learn how to read a trend line if you really think this
I wish there was another infographic with the numbers of shells available and the state of the airforces
Russian air force is basically untouched.
>Russian air force
> "basically untouched"
Yes, that's the view of Christopher G. Cavoli, Supreme Allied Commander Europe.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-army-bigger-than-start-ukraine-war-us-general-2023-4
>"The air force has lost very little. They've lost 80 planes — they have another 1,000 fighters and fighter-bombers. The Navy has lost one ship"
I just don't get why they aren't flying them then.
Because they'll lose more. It's just that simple. Perhaps they're saving them for the counter-offensive. Or there is little munitions for them. As far as I know they just lob missiles and gliding bombs these days.
>Perhaps they're saving them for the counter-offensive.
Anon... the counter offensive is over, it died on the steps of Vuhledar.
He means saving it to use on Ukraine when they attack.
Russia probably has orders of magnitude more planes than pilots.
I had a guy in Norway who used to be in the air force. He said that out of every 100 guys who applied, only two ended up making it as pilots. So I assume that is the same everywhere. Being a pilot is actually really hard and requires a lot of work. Since machines are infinitely more complex than they were in WW2 you can't just do a 6 week crash course and perform alright.
Lack of skilled pilots and SEAD capability probably. Baofeng based communications would probably mean than any larger scale air operation will end in number of returning planes getting fratricided by their own AA.
>I just don't get why they aren't flying them then.
maybe because planes are stored as well as tanks
>the navy has lost one ship
Shit like this is why sites like globalfirepower suck donkey balls
After their losses were counted they somehow increased Russia’s power level. I don’t know how that happens.
Especially given how inept Russians are, the ratio is probably even smaller.
>The Navy has lost one ship
retarded shit like this is why nobody trusts the western propaganda. there is video evidence for the sinking of multiple russian ships, hell they lost 3 at berdyansk alone.
>Something-something, LSTs aren't combat vessels, something-something
But yes, it's stupid. There's a bunch of them slowly corroding underwater.
>they have another 1,000 fighters and fighter-bombers
Translation:
>fucking russians, at this rate there's no way that the USAF can justify the NGAD to Congress if they and the chinks turn to be paper tigers that cannot even do SEAD
Lack of pilots
Lack of maintenance
Afraid of AA
The vast majority those 1000 aircraft are likely not capable of flying, just like the "10000 tanks" turned out to be about 3000.
In the 2nd chechen or Georgia war (don't member which one) Russia found out if they want to fly bomber sorties 24/7, they can only muster 4 simultaneous bombers cause lack of pilots.
They mostly have useless dumb bombs/rockets so they can't fly without SEAD. The VVS couldn't destroy all SAM systems and the kalibr/shaheds spam couldn't deplete the SAM.
Orcs don't understand how to use an air force.
>that pull up at 00:15 in the second plane clip
Well at least he tried
> Aircraft don't wear out with increased use.
>shells available
Closely keep secret
>air force
Russia should have majority of it's airframes intact, but it's hard to estimate what's the wear on them vs maintenance capabilities and the number of pilots. UA lost majority of theirs
>Ukraine has 1.5x the tanks they had at the beginning of the war
>all courtesy of puccia
No fucking way.
I know russians take incompetence to whole another level but this is just too much.
>those tank losses
Jesus Christ
Pretty cool, but Russia still has an overwhelming advantage in aircrafts both fixed and rotary wings.
Now if only they could make use of that advantage other than objectively pointless piecemeal attacks.
What the FUCK does this graph even mean? Someone explain. All I can tell are lines are going up and down without any rhyme or reason.
>t. retard
Than how come since the mobilization only Russia has been making gains? If you apply some critical thinking you can figure out these graphs are horse shit
Do you see how the russian infantry graph shoots up, and then starts quickly declining again? Yeah, that's the reason. They paid for those square kilometers with thousands of their soldiers' lives.
And you do realize Russia might as well have an unlimited number of reservists they can call compared to the Ukraine? This isn't Russia's first rodeo, and I'm quite sure not even China could match Russia's numbers, especially counting their willingness to defend their country
Their last draft was a disaster. Another one would basically start a civil war.
The last draft never stopped.
This IS Russia's first rodeo in a war of aggression where they don't hold a decisive military advantage. The previous time was back with USSR and Afghanistan. How'd that go?
>only making gains
stop or I'll bust a gut
>Russia has been making gains
They weren’t lol
Russia has gained like 10s of kilometers per month max. Muh Bakhmut is a distraction from the fact that Russia has lost territory in some areas.
>A vatnik lowlife recommending others to think critically.
Peotry
I'm not on Russia's side. I just don't believe either side's propaganda
cool it with the antisemitism
If you ignore the propaganda and only look at the facts, what do you see since december?
>Soledar captured
>Bakhmut is slowly being captured by brutal, street to street urban war, encirclement failed
>Vuhledar and Avdiivka offensives failed, huge equipment losses for Russia
>All other fronts static, despite Russia's apparent superiority
That does not paint a picture that shows Russian forces in a good light, no matter what the media on both sides say
The fronts are static because Russia has been focusing on building extensive fortifications on their side. They've also been saving their hardware and missiles for something big. Once summer kicks in we'll see how things play out
>They've also been saving their hardware and missiles for something big.
You people have been saying that since the convoy of death turned into a giant traffic jam.
Huh, I wonder why they've been digging in. Might have something to do with them pissing away their offensive capabilities. Or being afraid of Ukrainian ones.
We had this thing called winter. It's all the work of newly mobilized men, and all good armies never have their men sitting idly by.
Yeah, good armies send their men to die in meat waves. Also, Vuhledar proves russians don't care about time of the year if they really want to try an offensive.
>We had this thing called winter.
Which is where Bakhmut Of Two Weeks, The Vuhledar Catastrophe, and Avdiivka Abandonment occurred within. These were no small movements of Russian men and material, and we know for a fact the 155th in particular was revived several times over by newly minted mobilized. Who then all went on to die as well.
>It's all the work of newly mobilized men
Actually quite the opposite. The mobilized tend to be consumed immediately on entry (again, see Vuhledar for details) while those veteran units adjacent to such "festivities" appear to have sufficient clout (read: actual mutiny potential) to avoid being involved .
Which is to say these fabulous defensive arrangements are staffed mainly by people who cannot be trusted to reliably reach outside their FOB and attack Ukrainian positions with any real vigor.
I'm sure when they're actually under pressure and their lines of communication are being cut the moral will improve and they won't abandon their posts.
>russian army went on strike after only 1 year
and people thought the french were pussies.
>, and all good armies never have their men sitting idly by.
The mobiks sure put in the work at Vuhledar.
>russian winter offensive successfully memoryholed
You mean like the Ukrainian spring counteroffensive?
kys
the russian one happened tho
The spring counteroffensive was desperately trying to hold Artemivsk (and failing, to a degree)
The Ukrainian spring counter-offensive hasn't begun, but the pre offensive shaping operations have...
>Aretemivsk
Back to your containment board 4chanshit.
>le both sides
Poetry continues
>pretending what happened at Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Kherson didn't happen.
russia has lost a small amount of territory in aggregate since the mobik surge (the 2nd one) and the winter "offensive" that followed.
where the fuck did ukraine get 600 tanks???
The West
Yes to both
Russia
Whenever one of their tank breaks down they paint a big Z on it, and it counts both as a Russian loss and a Ukrainian gain
Captured from Russia and Eastern Europe sending their stockpile of soviet tanks.
plus the constant stream of various refurbished soviet models
Wasn't the UK sending 28? I know they are likely going to send 50 in total (because 50 is the ones they planned to mothball because lol no money) so that makes more sense.
>600 tanks
this is only increase - we don't know how many tanks were lost in that time - and probably main supplier is Russia itself with Poland in second place with around 300 t72s in various versions of upgrades (most m1rs - upgraded nightvision/optics and comms only)
Uhhh zisters, what happened there?
Vuhledar
bACKmut
Zero casualties for Ukraine?
>Zero casualties for Ukraine?
rather sustainable (in the short term) casualties that can be replaced from general population as fast as they occur
Why do you think we keep seeing Ukrainians being grabbed off the streets
>its not SBU arresting traitors guys i promise this time look at this new one
>UA losses 131k
I kinda doubt it
>0x
>steadily gaining tanks
Huh... that's actually a good point.
The graph should show big jumps in fall of last year, when Russia kindly donated Kharkiv back and included the tanks stationed there.